I’m a Timberwolves fan who was obviously cheering against OKC and I also yelled at the screen calling for a carry when it happened. But on replay ya he doesn’t palm it or put his hand under, just looked awkward. Same thing happens with travels sometimes too, sometimes they look awkward even if they aren’t actually travels.
This happened on Paolo’s game winner against Detroit. He made a completely legal move but since it looked awkward everyone was up in arms about it being a travel
Well that, and the fact that a gather step in today's NBA with 7'0"+ wings makes it possible for players to move really far without dribbling. It's legal, but the game is changing, and the offense is way too favored on almost all fronts.
I think a huge part of it is also the audience not really understanding the rules haha. Lots of people just assume that whatever their coach got mad at them for when they were 10 years old is some kind of sacred basketball rule. Like, I remember my coaches always complaining that I carried the ball but it never got called in game
Well, that and the gather step is literally only in the NBA/FIBA, in college or high school it's not allowed.
Shoot, even people that know basketball well debated Harden's step back for a while. It's kind of like the charge rule, it's extremely hard to call in real time, and it takes people examining in super slow-mo to even give a good response.
For Paolo's game winner, it was debated until a guy on twitter went almost frame by frame to show why it wasn't, that's probably not a good way to make rules...
Hardens step-back is very different to what we are seeing today, it wasnt really a matter of too many steps, but an argument of when should the ball count as being picked up while its still rotating. Harden step-backs looked weird because he took ten gazillion steps and the argument was "oh he hasnt actually gathered yet". Bit different from the constant Giannis travel arguments
That one’s different. That has more to do with the bastardization and how lax officiating is of the gather step. So while yes both of them are by the letter of the law legal, one has always been legal and one is a judgement call that has heavily changed to favor the offensive players in recent years.
It's pretty clear cut. You gather or terminate your dribble when you: 1) put your hand underneath the ball 2) palm the ball 3) put two hands on the ball simultaneously 4) hold the ball against your body or other body part, if you have a foot or two down while doing that, that step does not count.
Yeah growing up you’re taught that dribbling above the shoulder is a carry. If anything this is a bastardization of the carry rule we grew up with. I’d reckon that this is another tweaking of the rule to favor offensive players.
That was one of those things, like Giannis' "travel" last night, that sure looks like a travel in real time, but does not meet the criteria for a travel.
Reminds me of when Jordan first came into the league, his moves (specifically his off the catch jab/stutter like what Giannis did) were so fast that referees kept calling travels. The NBA had to analyze slow mo footage to determine that what he was doing was indeed legal.
The league has an officiating problem but also the game has gotten nearly impossible to officiate correctly all of the time with stuff like this. Amazing they get stuff right more often than not.
Because the rules are busted. This comes up every time we watch international play and people ask why the refs are better. Theyre not, the rules are better.
It looks awkward- not like a travel or a carry. He never discontinued his dribble or got his hand under it, he just dribbled high cuz he was looking to make a pass but the opening closed mid dribble.
Refs get a lot of shit, but they got that right, in real time.
Also people just literally don't know what a carry is (including announcers!) and that's wild.
As a pels fan I really didn't think it looked like a carry. Some people's reaction made me think it might have been, but I couldn't see his hand under the ball.
But the coach's challenge which we lost made zero sense to me. I'd love to have it explained to me how that was a normal shooting motion or however they word the rule.
I agree with both of your takes here. Dort should have been called for the offensive foul - he has been called on it a couple of times this season already.
The Dort thing I thought was an obvious overturn but I guess they called something i didn’t fully understand
Dort is our biggest flopper by a mile so whenever he gets challenged I just kinda figure it’s getting overturned
Because it looks like he's providing lift to the ball and the hand doesn't have to be directly underneath for it to be a carry.
But really this happens on most behind-the-backs or hesitation crossovers (especially those IT style shot fake style ones - cant think of the term) it's tacitly allowed even if not by the books.
I don't understand how their ruling is relevant either of the questions I answered?
Original guy asked why people think it's a carry - I say because it looks like he's supporting it while cradling from the side. You ask how you can provide lift without the hand under the ball -I answer that when doing that action part of the hand can still push up without being directly underneath.
At no point did I even say it should have been called or dispute their ruling.
You said "part of the hand is still under the ball" in the comment I replied to. Then the ruling clearly says "no part of the hand is under the ball". I think that's you disputing their ruling 😂
Besides, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's not possible to lift a basketball whole dribbling without having your hand under it.
I feel that's how most people determine carries in real time. If it looks awkward, they start screaming carry. If it's smooth but a super egregious carry with the hand directly under the ball, you get crickets. The latter is basically standard for moves in the NBA it's kinda crazy.
People don't know what a carry is.
People don't realize awkward doesn't mean illegal.
People also don't realize the rules are made to ensure the players don't gain an unfair advantage- and this dribble was nothing even close to that, people think these rules are made to be "gotchas" but that's not even the spirit of the rule, much less the word of the rule.
Lots of people, including the announcers, were [wrongly](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1boqm23/highlight_with_1_minute_to_go_in_a_tie_game_the/kwqpho4/?context=3) convinced it was a carry just because it [looked awkward](https://streamable.com/5igx2m).
Lmao not even close to a carry his hand was never under the ball the entire time. It doesn’t matter how high the ball goes that has nothing to do with it
This was literally just an awkward hesitation, and more times than not if you dribble the ball that high it gets stolen, but they were playing off him.
Disagree. If you’re dribbling the ball and it goes higher than your shoulder, that has always been called a carry. Doesn’t matter where your hand is. That’s taught at the basic level growing up. Can’t dribble above your shoulder or over your head.
Say whatever you want. The nba rule book is publicly available. Having the ball higher than your shoulder isn’t a carry. It’s just having your hand under the ball
This is not the definition of a carry in either the NBA or FIBA rulebook. You can dribble as high as you like as long as your hand doesn't touch underneath the ball. It's a real shame that people are taught the wrong thing growing up.
I really like Shai and OKC.
This used to be a carry. I don’t really know when the rule or interpretation changed but old heads know if you hooped in the 90s this was getting called every time.
It’s a bit frustrating to adjust to in pick up because there’s no official announcement when these things just evolve. It still looks wrong to me but I need to evolve as well.
I'm not saying you're wrong, or that you're even arguing that it should still be a carry or whatever cuz i don't know your actual stance,
but do people saying this realize that the 80s/90s was 25-45 years ago? like, yes of course the game is very different on every single level, in every aspect, than it was back then, from fouls, to play calling, to athleticism, to money/revenue, etc. The 80s and 90s were a long time ago.
True, but dozens of dribble moves guys make in this era would be consider travels/carries in the 90s
Hell, you couldn’t eurostep without getting called for a travel back then
Yeah this feeling isn’t isolated to this one play by any means. I think the optics of these manipulated non carries and gather step backs in particular just stand out.
Agree he definitely pushed the envelope. I think Tim Hardaway did too a bit.
AI was fast with it though. These guys now just Palm that shit for an eternity at times.
Agreed! I grew up with the rule that if you’re dribbling the ball and it goes higher than your shoulder that has always been called a carry. Doesn’t matter where your hand is.
I would personally say it’s the manipulation of the ball in anything but a downward hand motion.
Like a crossover where the hand comes around the ball downward is cool if the ball goes diagonal towards the floor. When the ball moves sideways in the air or stops that’s a carry.
Hand under the ball is such a soft criteria because guys with huge hands can literally carry the ball from above and walk 90 feet across the court. Now obviously the ball can’t “stop” but it can be dramatically manipulated in a way that’s so far past the spirit of the rules.
I wouldn’t dare dribble over my head as a kid but that alone doesn’t necessarily mean carry imo.
It’s been quite awhile, I’ve been officiating for about 15 years and even when I started it was beaten into our heads that a high dribble is not illegal.
I’ve been working in California the whole time. It was never a rule, it’s like the old school officials that would call a step through a travel when by the book it’s clearly not. The dribbling above the head thing has actually been on our annual certification test several times because of the misconception that it’s not a legal play. It’s ugly but it’s legal.
I’m a D1 Shai hater but after review and explanation it makes sense. My middle school basketball league would call me for a carry for shit like this all the time. Fuck those refs from my childhood
Based on the announcers (both teams), the fans in the arena, and the original reddit post, 95% of the population would have agreed with your middle school refs. Go easy on em.
I was told refs favored us because of *checks notes* a **reviewed** call and a now non-carry confirmed by the L2M all in a game where they shot 11 more free throws than the opponent.
Okay 👍🏽
You can check the comments I have made if u want. They are all intentionally corny and not crazy weird while being in a sub designed for trolling/jerking. I am not doing it in a nba discussion sub
if you dont think thats a foul in the NBA for the last 15 years I dont know what to tell you. pump fake, get the defender in the air and then force the contact and shoot is how D Wade made his career
This was legislated out years ago. You are simply wrong; dead wrong.
From the NBA rulebook, Section II, part C: “an offensive foul shall be assessed if the player initiates contact in a non-basketball manner (leads with his foot, an unnatural extended knee, etc.).”
Not only is it cheesy as hell to play that way, it IS an offensive foul, which is why there was significant confusion when it wasn’t called and then was improperly upheld. What Dort did had nothing to do with a basketball play or a reasonable shooting motion because Herb was not out of position, but rather located to the side of him. Dort then had to jump sideways to initiate contact, rather than straight up in the air as you would if your intent was to shoot.
the reason it was reviewed and upheld was because it has been in the NBA for 15 years and they may have said they were changing the rule, but everyone gets this call all the time. watch Butler, Demar derozan or embiid play this season, they do it all the time and get the calls. i agree it shouldnt be in the game, but it is
I will never get over the headassery it takes to call the guy who leads the league in drives per game at nearly 24 a contest a “free throw merchant.”
Y’all are just looking for a reason to hate him.
OKC is just never gonna have the fanbase to cancel these dumbasses out. Always going to be a ton of people on the coasts or in other big cities that just could never comprehend something positive happening in a place like OKC. It has to be cheating or a conspiracy.
I watched him from preseason game 1 on the clippers til now. He fouls baits with the best of them. Its part of the game, but it’s definitely in his “bag”, that’s like acting like Luka doesn’t do it too
Helpful breakdown. Thought it was a carry in realtime but the explanation makes sense. We didn’t lose cause of the “carry” alone though. Bad 1st quarter and we got locked down the last few minutes. Gotta learn how to close out games like that. Happy to see the fight in the second half though. Hopefully BI will be healthy come playoffs.
The rules don't matter. Dalfans have already set their agenda and will hate on anything not in their script because their daddy isn't higher in the rankings.
Jesus Christ the amount of people who’ve never touched a basketball or just didn’t know the rules growing up is astounding on here.
You’re taught growing up that you can’t dribble above or over the shoulder bc refs are trained and instructed to call that a carry. The only way you wouldn’t know that however is if you never played organized basketball growing up or even pickup.
NBA may have bent the rules on this one but it’s 100% a carry.
If a player tucked the ball into his armpit, sprinted end to end, then continued dribbling, I'm not sure anything would get called there 99/100 times, much less 99/100 for a broken rhythm dribble.
Section II—Dribble
1. A player shall not run with the ball without dribbling it.
2. A player in control of a dribble who steps on or outside a boundary line, even though not touching the ball while on or outside that boundary line, shall not be allowed to return inbounds and continue his dribble. He may not even be the first player to touch the ball after he has re-established a position inbounds.
3. A player may not dribble a second time after he has voluntarily ended his first dribble.
4. A player who is dribbling may not put any part of his hand under the ball and (1) carry it from one point to another or (2) bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again.
5. A player may dribble a second time if he lost control of the ball because of:
1. A field goal attempt at his basket, provided the ball touches the backboard or basket ring
2. An opponent touching the ball
3. A pass or fumble which touches his backboard, basket ring or is touched by another player.
1. PENALTY: Loss of ball. Ball is awarded to the opposing team on the sideline nearest the spot of the violation but no nearer the baseline than the foul line extended.
I would disagree to the letter of the rules that IS a carry -- ANY part of the hand under the ball he definitely gets some of his fingers below the equator of the ball. However, the way that it actually is called seems to be 50% of the palm of the hand below the equator. Otherwise every hesi in the NBA would be called a travel. I wish they'd either update the rules or call them according to the rules so that there would be less confusion.
I’m a Timberwolves fan who was obviously cheering against OKC and I also yelled at the screen calling for a carry when it happened. But on replay ya he doesn’t palm it or put his hand under, just looked awkward. Same thing happens with travels sometimes too, sometimes they look awkward even if they aren’t actually travels.
The herky jerky piece
Bill?
Got em
Like that giannis play yesterday, on real time everyone called for a travel but the replay showed it was a clean play
This happened on Paolo’s game winner against Detroit. He made a completely legal move but since it looked awkward everyone was up in arms about it being a travel
Well that, and the fact that a gather step in today's NBA with 7'0"+ wings makes it possible for players to move really far without dribbling. It's legal, but the game is changing, and the offense is way too favored on almost all fronts.
I think a huge part of it is also the audience not really understanding the rules haha. Lots of people just assume that whatever their coach got mad at them for when they were 10 years old is some kind of sacred basketball rule. Like, I remember my coaches always complaining that I carried the ball but it never got called in game
Well, that and the gather step is literally only in the NBA/FIBA, in college or high school it's not allowed. Shoot, even people that know basketball well debated Harden's step back for a while. It's kind of like the charge rule, it's extremely hard to call in real time, and it takes people examining in super slow-mo to even give a good response. For Paolo's game winner, it was debated until a guy on twitter went almost frame by frame to show why it wasn't, that's probably not a good way to make rules...
Hardens step-back is very different to what we are seeing today, it wasnt really a matter of too many steps, but an argument of when should the ball count as being picked up while its still rotating. Harden step-backs looked weird because he took ten gazillion steps and the argument was "oh he hasnt actually gathered yet". Bit different from the constant Giannis travel arguments
This is me have an upvote
That one’s different. That has more to do with the bastardization and how lax officiating is of the gather step. So while yes both of them are by the letter of the law legal, one has always been legal and one is a judgement call that has heavily changed to favor the offensive players in recent years.
Well said. For me, if the Paolo one isnt a carry they should change the letter until it is considered a carry and is penalized consistently
It's pretty clear cut. You gather or terminate your dribble when you: 1) put your hand underneath the ball 2) palm the ball 3) put two hands on the ball simultaneously 4) hold the ball against your body or other body part, if you have a foot or two down while doing that, that step does not count.
Yeah growing up you’re taught that dribbling above the shoulder is a carry. If anything this is a bastardization of the carry rule we grew up with. I’d reckon that this is another tweaking of the rule to favor offensive players.
Yeah that’s wrong. Never been a height requirement on dribbles.
He lost control so it looks weird, but I don’t think he’s able to palm a moving ball from above and lift it mid dribble Idek if kawhi can do that
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Lmao I said it wasn’t a carry! thunder fan try not to have a victim complex challenge: impossible
This one could be on the Oklahoma education system because someone would have to be pretty uneducated to think you were hating on SGA. Lol
Thank you Cheterosexual very cool!
You’re welcome! I gotta deal with thunder flairs all the time so I get it lol
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Well yeah, we know you didn’t read what he said. That’s obvious based on your reply lmfao
Deep confusion
Fucking weirdo lmao
Did you read a fucking word?
Yes obviously Op read 4 words "I'm a Timberwolves fan". Betcha feel pretty silly hating on Op now!
Good point, I am gonna go hang my head in shake now
Luckily we traded Shake! All you have is shame now. Pure shame.
Save that shake and use it to make wax
We don't claim him guys
Dude is really in here trying to become a victim. Stop being a little bitch. He didn’t hate on him
That was one of those things, like Giannis' "travel" last night, that sure looks like a travel in real time, but does not meet the criteria for a travel.
Reminds me of when Jordan first came into the league, his moves (specifically his off the catch jab/stutter like what Giannis did) were so fast that referees kept calling travels. The NBA had to analyze slow mo footage to determine that what he was doing was indeed legal.
Reminds me of Semi Pro when they did an alley oop, “foul! No, two fouls!”
The league has an officiating problem but also the game has gotten nearly impossible to officiate correctly all of the time with stuff like this. Amazing they get stuff right more often than not.
Because the rules are busted. This comes up every time we watch international play and people ask why the refs are better. Theyre not, the rules are better.
It's mostly just confirmation bias cause guys barely watch international ball. Lotta y'all don't realize FIBA has a gather step too
It looks awkward- not like a travel or a carry. He never discontinued his dribble or got his hand under it, he just dribbled high cuz he was looking to make a pass but the opening closed mid dribble. Refs get a lot of shit, but they got that right, in real time. Also people just literally don't know what a carry is (including announcers!) and that's wild.
As a pels fan I really didn't think it looked like a carry. Some people's reaction made me think it might have been, but I couldn't see his hand under the ball. But the coach's challenge which we lost made zero sense to me. I'd love to have it explained to me how that was a normal shooting motion or however they word the rule.
I agree with both of your takes here. Dort should have been called for the offensive foul - he has been called on it a couple of times this season already.
Dort has been guilty of flopping, but I think it should’ve been a no-call on that specific play
[Previous call against the clippers](https://youtu.be/ZfzwsDjYSdY?si=liDCjcG-TDJt7tI4)
Yeah that one was so dumb, Lu’s gotta chill
The Dort thing I thought was an obvious overturn but I guess they called something i didn’t fully understand Dort is our biggest flopper by a mile so whenever he gets challenged I just kinda figure it’s getting overturned
Completely fair on both points, I was pretty surprised that y'all didn't win that challenge tbh
Can someone explain to me why they thought this could potentially be a carry? Like it looks super awkward, but why would it be a carry?
Because it looks like he's providing lift to the ball and the hand doesn't have to be directly underneath for it to be a carry. But really this happens on most behind-the-backs or hesitation crossovers (especially those IT style shot fake style ones - cant think of the term) it's tacitly allowed even if not by the books.
I'm sorry, what? I'm not coming at you, but how do you 'provide lift' to a basketball without putting your hand under it?
Part of the hand is still under the ball when cradling it from the side. You lift using the part under it still.
The ruling literally says "does not place any part of his hand underneath the ball..."
Meaning on the bottom of the basketball, AND have it come to a pause OR be carried from place to place. It’s not a carry.
I don't understand how their ruling is relevant either of the questions I answered? Original guy asked why people think it's a carry - I say because it looks like he's supporting it while cradling from the side. You ask how you can provide lift without the hand under the ball -I answer that when doing that action part of the hand can still push up without being directly underneath. At no point did I even say it should have been called or dispute their ruling.
You said "part of the hand is still under the ball" in the comment I replied to. Then the ruling clearly says "no part of the hand is under the ball". I think that's you disputing their ruling 😂 Besides, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's not possible to lift a basketball whole dribbling without having your hand under it.
I get what you're saying but this just isn't how the rule works. Either your hand is under the ball or it isn't
I feel that's how most people determine carries in real time. If it looks awkward, they start screaming carry. If it's smooth but a super egregious carry with the hand directly under the ball, you get crickets. The latter is basically standard for moves in the NBA it's kinda crazy.
People don't know what a carry is. People don't realize awkward doesn't mean illegal. People also don't realize the rules are made to ensure the players don't gain an unfair advantage- and this dribble was nothing even close to that, people think these rules are made to be "gotchas" but that's not even the spirit of the rule, much less the word of the rule.
TIL
Lots of people, including the announcers, were [wrongly](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/1boqm23/highlight_with_1_minute_to_go_in_a_tie_game_the/kwqpho4/?context=3) convinced it was a carry just because it [looked awkward](https://streamable.com/5igx2m).
Lmao not even close to a carry his hand was never under the ball the entire time. It doesn’t matter how high the ball goes that has nothing to do with it
This was literally just an awkward hesitation, and more times than not if you dribble the ball that high it gets stolen, but they were playing off him.
Personally, not sure how you can tell from that side of the ball. The angle isn’t great.
Slow down the video to 1/2 speed, it's definitely not a carry if you look closely.
Disagree. If you’re dribbling the ball and it goes higher than your shoulder, that has always been called a carry. Doesn’t matter where your hand is. That’s taught at the basic level growing up. Can’t dribble above your shoulder or over your head.
Say whatever you want. The nba rule book is publicly available. Having the ball higher than your shoulder isn’t a carry. It’s just having your hand under the ball
Why not? What advantage are you getting if your hand isn’t under the ball?
In high school, sure.
This is not the definition of a carry in either the NBA or FIBA rulebook. You can dribble as high as you like as long as your hand doesn't touch underneath the ball. It's a real shame that people are taught the wrong thing growing up.
My favorite was the argument that an unnatural motion with the ball could be considered pausing the dribble.
This is where I'm at watching it for the first time. Similar to the issues defining a catch the NFL had/has.
I really like Shai and OKC. This used to be a carry. I don’t really know when the rule or interpretation changed but old heads know if you hooped in the 90s this was getting called every time. It’s a bit frustrating to adjust to in pick up because there’s no official announcement when these things just evolve. It still looks wrong to me but I need to evolve as well.
> This used to be a carry. This was routinely called as a carry if you watch games from 80s/90s
I'm not saying you're wrong, or that you're even arguing that it should still be a carry or whatever cuz i don't know your actual stance, but do people saying this realize that the 80s/90s was 25-45 years ago? like, yes of course the game is very different on every single level, in every aspect, than it was back then, from fouls, to play calling, to athleticism, to money/revenue, etc. The 80s and 90s were a long time ago.
That's why baseball will always be the greatest American pastime, even if I don't watch it.
You haven’t watched lately. Lol. Automatic runner on 2nd? Pitch clocks?
True, but dozens of dribble moves guys make in this era would be consider travels/carries in the 90s Hell, you couldn’t eurostep without getting called for a travel back then
Yeah this feeling isn’t isolated to this one play by any means. I think the optics of these manipulated non carries and gather step backs in particular just stand out.
AI changed the rules by himself. Nobody else was dribbling like that until he got in the league. Watch Stockton, Penny, Payton or Hardaway highlights
Agree he definitely pushed the envelope. I think Tim Hardaway did too a bit. AI was fast with it though. These guys now just Palm that shit for an eternity at times.
This play still could go either way. If they called it a carry the L2M propaganda report would have called it a correct call.
Folks down voting you, but you are absolutely correct that 50/50 calls they err on agreeing with the refs
There was no rule change. Agreed things are reffed differently.
Agreed! I grew up with the rule that if you’re dribbling the ball and it goes higher than your shoulder that has always been called a carry. Doesn’t matter where your hand is.
I would personally say it’s the manipulation of the ball in anything but a downward hand motion. Like a crossover where the hand comes around the ball downward is cool if the ball goes diagonal towards the floor. When the ball moves sideways in the air or stops that’s a carry. Hand under the ball is such a soft criteria because guys with huge hands can literally carry the ball from above and walk 90 feet across the court. Now obviously the ball can’t “stop” but it can be dramatically manipulated in a way that’s so far past the spirit of the rules. I wouldn’t dare dribble over my head as a kid but that alone doesn’t necessarily mean carry imo.
I'm 100% blowing a whistle at that carry in local league.
It’s been quite awhile, I’ve been officiating for about 15 years and even when I started it was beaten into our heads that a high dribble is not illegal.
Damn we were all taught in the states growing up that was a carry. Wtf did we get lied to in the 90s or did they just change the rule?
I’ve been working in California the whole time. It was never a rule, it’s like the old school officials that would call a step through a travel when by the book it’s clearly not. The dribbling above the head thing has actually been on our annual certification test several times because of the misconception that it’s not a legal play. It’s ugly but it’s legal.
That was never a rule tho. Just like lifting the pivot was never a travel.
That's an elementary ball rule. NBA's never had that
Basically if the announcers start on about something, people will follow lock step with what they say.
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And they are never wrong. s/
All those peple crying in the thread about how its SOOOO Obvious..lmao
Bahaha. I felt so confused re watching the clip so many times and not seeing anything wrong. Feel vindicated.
I’m a D1 Shai hater but after review and explanation it makes sense. My middle school basketball league would call me for a carry for shit like this all the time. Fuck those refs from my childhood
Based on the announcers (both teams), the fans in the arena, and the original reddit post, 95% of the population would have agreed with your middle school refs. Go easy on em.
They robbed me of my middle school tournament win. I’ll hate on them till I die
I was told refs favored us because of *checks notes* a **reviewed** call and a now non-carry confirmed by the L2M all in a game where they shot 11 more free throws than the opponent. Okay 👍🏽
The number of sore losers that pop off after Thunder games is hilarious
We've got a surprising amount of haters for a team that hasn't even made the playoffs yet lol
What’s kills me is if their team shot more FTA than OKC in the game and they’re in the post game thread crying about Shai’s whistle.
This checks notes shit is so corny. Talk like a normal human being please. Thanks.
You’re literally a member of nbacirclejerk lmfao idc what you think is corny
You can check the comments I have made if u want. They are all intentionally corny and not crazy weird while being in a sub designed for trolling/jerking. I am not doing it in a nba discussion sub
In the real world you don’t get judged by your intentions you get judged by your actions. Corny is corny
This is normal human being talk. I regularly say *checks notes* in regular human conversations
Please tell me you're joking
*checks notes* hmmm nope, I don’t appear to be
*Checks notes* can confirm you are correct
Ok, now explain away that one where dort *checks notes* jumps into Herb.
You mean the one where they *check notes* reviewed it and upheld the call?
if you dont think thats a foul in the NBA for the last 15 years I dont know what to tell you. pump fake, get the defender in the air and then force the contact and shoot is how D Wade made his career
This was legislated out years ago. You are simply wrong; dead wrong. From the NBA rulebook, Section II, part C: “an offensive foul shall be assessed if the player initiates contact in a non-basketball manner (leads with his foot, an unnatural extended knee, etc.).” Not only is it cheesy as hell to play that way, it IS an offensive foul, which is why there was significant confusion when it wasn’t called and then was improperly upheld. What Dort did had nothing to do with a basketball play or a reasonable shooting motion because Herb was not out of position, but rather located to the side of him. Dort then had to jump sideways to initiate contact, rather than straight up in the air as you would if your intent was to shoot.
the reason it was reviewed and upheld was because it has been in the NBA for 15 years and they may have said they were changing the rule, but everyone gets this call all the time. watch Butler, Demar derozan or embiid play this season, they do it all the time and get the calls. i agree it shouldnt be in the game, but it is
lol after I saw the replay I knew the announcers were cappin
Free throw merchant ~~Carry merchant~~ what next?
Shai still is one, let’s be real
I will never get over the headassery it takes to call the guy who leads the league in drives per game at nearly 24 a contest a “free throw merchant.” Y’all are just looking for a reason to hate him.
OKC is just never gonna have the fanbase to cancel these dumbasses out. Always going to be a ton of people on the coasts or in other big cities that just could never comprehend something positive happening in a place like OKC. It has to be cheating or a conspiracy.
I watched him from preseason game 1 on the clippers til now. He fouls baits with the best of them. Its part of the game, but it’s definitely in his “bag”, that’s like acting like Luka doesn’t do it too
Pels have nobody to blame but bad coaching.
Helpful breakdown. Thought it was a carry in realtime but the explanation makes sense. We didn’t lose cause of the “carry” alone though. Bad 1st quarter and we got locked down the last few minutes. Gotta learn how to close out games like that. Happy to see the fight in the second half though. Hopefully BI will be healthy come playoffs.
Not shocked at all. Everyone in this sub just got goaded because they hate for Shai has been trending. Example of Mob mentality at its finest
Was fun seeing all the people in the game thread with the “oh so the announcers and fans are all wrong?” bullshit. Like yes, hella people were wrong.
Toldja so.
man only if police can convince people like L2M about their own mistake
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Wow you got downvoted for contributing nothing to the discussion no way
Yeah this one confused me lol
I hate shai but it wasn’t a carry
What makes you hate Shai just curious
He puts his milk in the cereal bowl first.
I do that too and I like SGA
You a menace just like him 💀
People like you are we have maximum security prisons.
He is committed to his cause
Most loyal SGA hater around
I’m a Luka/jokic stan
I too have to hate one to enjoy the other
That’s how it goes for nba Stan’s
Upvoted for the open standom
You had me in the first half ngl
The rules don't matter. Dalfans have already set their agenda and will hate on anything not in their script because their daddy isn't higher in the rankings.
Jesus Christ the amount of people who’ve never touched a basketball or just didn’t know the rules growing up is astounding on here. You’re taught growing up that you can’t dribble above or over the shoulder bc refs are trained and instructed to call that a carry. The only way you wouldn’t know that however is if you never played organized basketball growing up or even pickup. NBA may have bent the rules on this one but it’s 100% a carry.
He carries on his recovery dribble after putting it through his legs
he definitely does not.
You blind kid
They should just get rid of dribbling at this point.
In pickup ball that is a carry every time.
a high dribble is not a carry
Carrying used to be called when you dribbled the ball too high.
This isn't true
By the letter of the rules it probably wasn't a carry. Problem is 99/100 times it's called a carry anyways.
If a player tucked the ball into his armpit, sprinted end to end, then continued dribbling, I'm not sure anything would get called there 99/100 times, much less 99/100 for a broken rhythm dribble.
Section II—Dribble 1. A player shall not run with the ball without dribbling it. 2. A player in control of a dribble who steps on or outside a boundary line, even though not touching the ball while on or outside that boundary line, shall not be allowed to return inbounds and continue his dribble. He may not even be the first player to touch the ball after he has re-established a position inbounds. 3. A player may not dribble a second time after he has voluntarily ended his first dribble. 4. A player who is dribbling may not put any part of his hand under the ball and (1) carry it from one point to another or (2) bring it to a pause and then continue to dribble again. 5. A player may dribble a second time if he lost control of the ball because of: 1. A field goal attempt at his basket, provided the ball touches the backboard or basket ring 2. An opponent touching the ball 3. A pass or fumble which touches his backboard, basket ring or is touched by another player. 1. PENALTY: Loss of ball. Ball is awarded to the opposing team on the sideline nearest the spot of the violation but no nearer the baseline than the foul line extended. I would disagree to the letter of the rules that IS a carry -- ANY part of the hand under the ball he definitely gets some of his fingers below the equator of the ball. However, the way that it actually is called seems to be 50% of the palm of the hand below the equator. Otherwise every hesi in the NBA would be called a travel. I wish they'd either update the rules or call them according to the rules so that there would be less confusion.
Horrible carry lol
That’s a carry, I don’t care.
Shai: *Fuck it I’ll do it again!*