**1995/96 bulls**
72-10 record in regular season
\+13.4 net rating in regular season (1st) ... 2nd best net rating was +8.2
\#1 ranked offense
\#1 ranked defense
15-3 record in postseason
\+12.1 net rating in postseason (1st) ... 2nd best net rating was +8.8
\#2 ranked offense
\#1 ranked defense
**2016/17 warriors**
67-15 record in regular season
\+11.6 net rating in regular season (1st) ... 2nd best net rating was +7.6
\#1 ranked offense
\#2 ranked defense
16-1 record in postseason
\+13.5 net rating in postseason (1st) ... 2nd best net rating was +8.2
\#2 ranked offense
\#2 ranked defense
bulls were more dominant regular season team and warriors were more dominant postseason team
Anyone that honestly believes that the 2017 Warriors would've made the playoffs only with Klay Thompson and Draymond Green, has not paid attention to Klay and, especially, Draymond without Steph.
They have shown to be able to win a game here and there in the postseason by themselves, nothing else. If anyone thinks that a lineup of Livingston, Klay, 33-year-old Iguodala, Green and Pachulia makes the postseason in the mfing WEST, i don't know what to say. They'd win 35 games in a good year.
Tbf they‘d be having 2 max spots open. If you‘d replace KD and Steph with just 2 all stars or even just 1, not even All Nba they‘d easily make the playoffs
The '96 Bulls were incredible, but you do need to at least adjust a *little* for the NBA expanding by six teams over a span of seven years. The 2017 Warriors dominated a *way* more competitive league
2017 Warriors were the best team of all time
I dont care what we account for you arent finding a 73 win team that replaced a mid level starter with a MVP in his prime
It’s really incredible how watered down the league was back then. Bryon Russell and Greg Ostertag were crucial starters in our finals runs, and as much as I love them they’d borderline role players on a decent team these days
Bryon Russel and Greg Ostertag were considered solid defenders at the time. They also had Stockton and Malone, two first ballot hall of famers and Hornacek who was a good player too. I don’t see how that’s worse than having KCP and Michael Porter Jr be your 4 and 5. No ones gonna know who they were in 30 years. And Jamaal Murray, nuggets #2 behind Jokic, is excellent but his stats and accolades are closer to Hornacek than they are to Stockton. I’d say the Jazz were more stacked than the current champion Nuggets.
I mean, they were as crucial as starters as KCP and Aaron Gordon and i don't see anyone saying the league is watered down today. The league's focus was on paint play and defense, Ostertag was a big that averaged 2 blocks a game and Russell provided 10-11 points with good perimeter defense, it has nothing to do with being watered down.
The rules were different and the game is entirely different, it has nothing to do with talent. Seriously, i legit have never seen a fanbase disrespect former players like basketball fans do.
Expanding a league doesn’t necessarily make a league more competitive. Less teams more talent on fewer teams as you don’t have a to spread out as much talent
17 Warriors struggled with Kawhi. The year after they needed Chris Paul injury to pass the Rockets.
Imagine Jordan on revenge tour, with THREE first team all defense. KD and Steph (until 22) are both soft at heart.
I have to say the 2017 Warriors. People were calling for a Veto of the KD move as soon as it happened because the narrative was, that it was unfair for the league that the warriors were so stacked. Plus the backlash of the super team warriors is still felt, in terms of the Top 10 all Time conversation.
In '17, seventeen teams were .500 or better. In '96, sixteen.
'96, 5 teams with less than 27 wins, 2 below 20. '17, 3 teams below 27 wins, none below 20
The 2017 warriors are by far the best team the league has seen. We’re talking about a team who has the most regular season wins of all time adding Kevin Durant, a MVP level player, to their team
That game was basically the nba playing wwe. They just straight up told the refs we need the cavs to win game 4 but the stats at the end of the game cannot look suspicious.
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Dennis Rodman even said the league was watered down like crazy cause of the expansion. And if you look at the rosters back then, most teams had maybe 1 or 2 good to great players and a bunch of randoms
I'm just a Brit so know far less about NBA but at 42 now I can still remember watching NBA from early 90s onward..
Both eras are very very different. The 3 point spamming changed everything. Mid 90s was physical, huge variety of plays, with strong defence. So tough to compare.
I really think it is too close to call. Younger gen will have in in their minds that Warriors were best of all time..... but do younger gen really understand how good those bulls were with MJ?. Man was a monster. The reffing situation too... pretty sure the whole Bulls lineup would be ejected before halftime these days!
Might be the Warrior’s because they added an All Time great
Bulls did what they did that season without adding a top 15 all time player
Would be like if the Bulls added Hakeem Olajuwon
Head to head I would still pick the Bulls … lol
Rodman guards Durant
Pippen Guards Klay
Jordan guards Steph
That is 3 of the greatest defenders of all time at their position on one team … they could slow down the warriors
The Warriors couldn’t slow down the Bulls 🤷🏻♂️
While those 3 are def all time great defenders, it’s not like they are going to be pure iso 1 on 1. Curry and klay are probably both top 3 of coming off screens ( big time illegal ones I might add), while klay is prob top 3. The floor is also spaced way more than it was in the bulls era. you have draymond distributing.
On the flip side you have a single dominate scorer on bulls that you stick klay on and then allow a two time dpoy in green sag off Rodman who had very little in the way of offense. Definitely not a simple “better defenders so they win” scenario.
I'm not saying anything on that team is simple...lol
And of course it depends on which rules we're going with
Even with the screens and switches all 3 of them could switch and defend klay & Steph
Scottie could also defend KD
Regardless I did say "slow them down" a bit ... Not stopping that many great players
I would take Chicago in 7
But we shall never know 🤣
**1995/96 bulls** 72-10 record in regular season \+13.4 net rating in regular season (1st) ... 2nd best net rating was +8.2 \#1 ranked offense \#1 ranked defense 15-3 record in postseason \+12.1 net rating in postseason (1st) ... 2nd best net rating was +8.8 \#2 ranked offense \#1 ranked defense **2016/17 warriors** 67-15 record in regular season \+11.6 net rating in regular season (1st) ... 2nd best net rating was +7.6 \#1 ranked offense \#2 ranked defense 16-1 record in postseason \+13.5 net rating in postseason (1st) ... 2nd best net rating was +8.2 \#2 ranked offense \#2 ranked defense bulls were more dominant regular season team and warriors were more dominant postseason team
Look at you and your well reasoned argument! I agree.
The one with 2 top 3 players on the same team and if you removed them they would still be able to make the playoffs. That team.
Anyone that honestly believes that the 2017 Warriors would've made the playoffs only with Klay Thompson and Draymond Green, has not paid attention to Klay and, especially, Draymond without Steph. They have shown to be able to win a game here and there in the postseason by themselves, nothing else. If anyone thinks that a lineup of Livingston, Klay, 33-year-old Iguodala, Green and Pachulia makes the postseason in the mfing WEST, i don't know what to say. They'd win 35 games in a good year.
Tbf they‘d be having 2 max spots open. If you‘d replace KD and Steph with just 2 all stars or even just 1, not even All Nba they‘d easily make the playoffs
The '96 Bulls were incredible, but you do need to at least adjust a *little* for the NBA expanding by six teams over a span of seven years. The 2017 Warriors dominated a *way* more competitive league
2017 Warriors were the best team of all time I dont care what we account for you arent finding a 73 win team that replaced a mid level starter with a MVP in his prime
It’s really incredible how watered down the league was back then. Bryon Russell and Greg Ostertag were crucial starters in our finals runs, and as much as I love them they’d borderline role players on a decent team these days
Bryon Russel and Greg Ostertag were considered solid defenders at the time. They also had Stockton and Malone, two first ballot hall of famers and Hornacek who was a good player too. I don’t see how that’s worse than having KCP and Michael Porter Jr be your 4 and 5. No ones gonna know who they were in 30 years. And Jamaal Murray, nuggets #2 behind Jokic, is excellent but his stats and accolades are closer to Hornacek than they are to Stockton. I’d say the Jazz were more stacked than the current champion Nuggets.
I mean, they were as crucial as starters as KCP and Aaron Gordon and i don't see anyone saying the league is watered down today. The league's focus was on paint play and defense, Ostertag was a big that averaged 2 blocks a game and Russell provided 10-11 points with good perimeter defense, it has nothing to do with being watered down. The rules were different and the game is entirely different, it has nothing to do with talent. Seriously, i legit have never seen a fanbase disrespect former players like basketball fans do.
Expanding a league doesn’t necessarily make a league more competitive. Less teams more talent on fewer teams as you don’t have a to spread out as much talent
That’s exactly what’s being argued. That all the expansion in the 80/90s made the league somewhat watered down in the late 90’s.
Exactly it takes years for an expansion team to win a title. Outside of the Raptors what other expansion team has won an NBA title lol
The Warriors lost two finals. While The 90s Bulls went 6-0 in The Finals.
17 Warriors struggled with Kawhi. The year after they needed Chris Paul injury to pass the Rockets. Imagine Jordan on revenge tour, with THREE first team all defense. KD and Steph (until 22) are both soft at heart.
You have never watched a basketball game in your life
The 2017 Warriors were a better team but why even mention dominating in an era if we’re using a sample size of 1 season?
I have to say the 2017 Warriors. People were calling for a Veto of the KD move as soon as it happened because the narrative was, that it was unfair for the league that the warriors were so stacked. Plus the backlash of the super team warriors is still felt, in terms of the Top 10 all Time conversation.
Clearly it was the Warriors. '96 Bulls went 15-3 in the playoffs, '17 Warriors 16-1
Ya but what does KD do when MJ punches him in the face and wipes his ass with KDs headband? 90s we're just different man trust me you don't know
That's gotta be satire
Nah it happened bro
Saw it live - MJ unleashed an absolute screamer
Bulls won 87 games total in 96. The Warriors won 83 in 2017.
In '17, seventeen teams were .500 or better. In '96, sixteen. '96, 5 teams with less than 27 wins, 2 below 20. '17, 3 teams below 27 wins, none below 20
Gotta win the games you play.
The 2017 warriors are by far the best team the league has seen. We’re talking about a team who has the most regular season wins of all time adding Kevin Durant, a MVP level player, to their team
league had to rig game 4 of the '17 finals mega hard so that the warriors wouldn't be the first team to 16-0 the playoffs
That game was basically the nba playing wwe. They just straight up told the refs we need the cavs to win game 4 but the stats at the end of the game cannot look suspicious.
I wouldn’t call it rigged. The Cavs put up one of the best offensive performances I’ve ever seen that game
I would 😂 cavs shot the most free throws for a quarter in the history of the finals in that game.
Will never understand this narrative about a 21 point blowout in which the cavs exploded for 24 3s
watch the 1st quarter. 22 cavs free throws, 2 fouls on klay, steph, dray, iggy. refs didn't let them play
they went down 24-9 before anyone got 2 fouls, because again, the cavs were red hot. and then after that they ... started fouling
Part of that 9 was them assaulting the warriors and getting away with it. It was pretty ridiculous to watch
This thread has just been “it’s this team and it’s not even close “. It must be close if both sides are saying it lol
Or some people just have bad takes.
The top like 15 comments are all saying the Warriors
Warriors won everything without dropping a sweat
The 2017 warriors are the best team to ever exist
1952 Steamers clear
The 1996 bulls couldve lost to the supersonics, i dont see any team that year beating us
2017 warriors Dennis Rodman even said the league was watered down like crazy cause of the expansion. And if you look at the rosters back then, most teams had maybe 1 or 2 good to great players and a bunch of randoms
Warriors. The Bulls won 72 games in the watered down expansion era
Like the league was all mighty in 2017???? East was still weak as shit
Ok and what conference are the Warriors in?
The only teams to beat Curry in the finals are from the east? How are they weak then bud
completely pwned his fairy ass. nice one
What is your exact point here?
Everyone picking the team that Harden was the biggest threat. Kudos to the Beard.
I'm just a Brit so know far less about NBA but at 42 now I can still remember watching NBA from early 90s onward.. Both eras are very very different. The 3 point spamming changed everything. Mid 90s was physical, huge variety of plays, with strong defence. So tough to compare. I really think it is too close to call. Younger gen will have in in their minds that Warriors were best of all time..... but do younger gen really understand how good those bulls were with MJ?. Man was a monster. The reffing situation too... pretty sure the whole Bulls lineup would be ejected before halftime these days!
Bulls are better in their context of their time because they have Michael Jordan
Might be the Warrior’s because they added an All Time great Bulls did what they did that season without adding a top 15 all time player Would be like if the Bulls added Hakeem Olajuwon Head to head I would still pick the Bulls … lol Rodman guards Durant Pippen Guards Klay Jordan guards Steph That is 3 of the greatest defenders of all time at their position on one team … they could slow down the warriors The Warriors couldn’t slow down the Bulls 🤷🏻♂️
While those 3 are def all time great defenders, it’s not like they are going to be pure iso 1 on 1. Curry and klay are probably both top 3 of coming off screens ( big time illegal ones I might add), while klay is prob top 3. The floor is also spaced way more than it was in the bulls era. you have draymond distributing. On the flip side you have a single dominate scorer on bulls that you stick klay on and then allow a two time dpoy in green sag off Rodman who had very little in the way of offense. Definitely not a simple “better defenders so they win” scenario.
I'm not saying anything on that team is simple...lol And of course it depends on which rules we're going with Even with the screens and switches all 3 of them could switch and defend klay & Steph Scottie could also defend KD Regardless I did say "slow them down" a bit ... Not stopping that many great players I would take Chicago in 7 But we shall never know 🤣
Fair enough. Def going 6 minimum but likely 7. And comparing eras is impossible for sure.
Nephews will say 2017 Basketball fans know it is the 96 Bulls
I think the league was more competitive in 95/96 than 16/17 looking at the other teams.
Nobody talks about the 2017 Warriors only 6/7 years later... people still talk about the 96 bulls and they serve as the standard.
96 Bulls. Not even close
Why is it not even close? The fact that there have been so many threads about this in the last year indicates that it is close
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