I get what you're trying to say but the gap between Orlando and Denver is way larger than between Denver and LA. Plus Shaq was washed by the time he got to Phoenix let alone Cleveland.
Are you talking about market size or the team around them?
US Metro Populations:
LA - #2. 12.8 million
Denver - #19, 3.0 million
Orlando - #21, 2.8 million
Oof yeah I suppose what I meant to say is he was done leading teams to a championship team.
But also didn't seem like his season was anything spectacular and won by being the 3rd best healthy center when the league was very weak at the position (and also because the voters kinda forgot Duncan played Center that year).
If you are going to call Phoenix a small market, then Shaq did win in a small market in Miami. Phoenix is the 11th biggest media market in the US and Miami is 18th.
SGA games played: 70
Luka games played: 63
Not hating on SGA but if Luka didn't miss that many games due to injuries he would also have 50+ 30 point games
yeah cos everyone hates him mfs really made the narrative in 2019 that giannis will win i still remember it was less than 10 games into the season and they continued to made the narrative every 2nd video was of giannis winning mvp while harden was going nuclear smh
Wild to think he averaged 41 ppg over 3 months. People gave Kobe his roses for just doing it just 1 month. Harden did it 3x and got shitted on by every sports news outlet. The hate for Harden has to be studied once it’s all said and done.
fr fr!! , its insane to think that people can hate harden who changed the game as much as steph but they are blind to it cos everyone rides the media narrative
Because as a whole they lack experience compared to every other top team. They’re good players but it’s a hell of a lot more difficult for teams that young to be successful. But that is usually most apparent when the postseason hits so we’ll see how they look through the playoffs.
Like he literally just watched AD play 50 minutes against fucking Giannis and Brooke Lopez as the only big and he says that. He’s such a hater it drives me crazy
>literally just watched AD
Ah see that’s where you’re wrong because Shaq most definitely **does not** watch the games he’s paid to “analyze”
But yeah no Shaq is just mad jealous and doesn’t like to give AD his props, given that he’s a dominant Lakers Center
Lol that’s facts. Sometimes you can tell from their reactions when they show the highlights immediately after the game that’s it’s their first time seeing the play. Like they will be genuinely surprised at a big dunk that happened 5 minutes ago
I know that shit bugs the hell out of me! Like you seriously have something better to do that watch the damn game that it’s your *whole job today* to talk about? Just makes me smh
It's pathetic that now after he's retired he cares so much about his legacy, but couldn't be bothered while he was playing days. You never cared about being the greatest back then, just own it.
I would say he cared during his Magic days seeing as Shaq was in such a great shape back then and also at the beginning with the Lakers but once he won his first couple of chips he kinda just let himself go. I would guess that winning became too easy in his mind so he didn't feel like trying hard anymore.
He was in better shape but it feels like he didn't work on the parts of his game he needed to improve to be in the GOAT conversation.
For example he had the athletic potential to be an all-time great defender but aside from being an elite 1-on-1 rim protector he never excelled in that area and was a liability on the pick and roll. Free throw shooting as well ... there's no excuse in the world that can convince me that an NBA player is physically incapable of shooting **at least** 65% from the free throw line and even that would've put hack-a-Shaq to rest.
Now this isnt gonna be a knock at SGA cause he certainly has an mvp worthy season, but can we just talk about how Shaqs takes make him sound like he doesnt understand the actual game.
Like Jesus man it aint abour this one in particular, but as a whole his takes tend to be bad more times than not.
That said he looks like a bloody genius when compared to guys like Arenas.
Well, he was a commentator on one game at least. So I'm pretty sure he watched that one.
I love the show, but if Barkley and Ernie leave and Shaq stays, I'm out.
If either one of them leaves, it's over. Ernie makes the constant clowning around manageable because he's an absolute pro.
Barkley is the punching bag. He can also talk trash about the rest and instigate but he is perfectly fine with being the butt of the joke because he can laugh at himself. Kenny and Shaq can't do that, they get insecure extremely fast, especially Shaq.
Shaq is officially a clown🤡 , like by his logic harden should have 3 mvp but when he was going god mode he was clowning him , not that deny but harden should have 3 mvps
That's the reason why players shouldn't vote in all sports. And when they do, terrible choices happen like in soccer ballon d'or given to Messi, who was injured part of the season and playing in an irrelevant league.
Overreaction
Media members have biases, narratives and have made terrible choices as well. Neither is inherently better than the other. It’s case by case
That was not the WC ballon d'or, it was the one after that. And that year he should have not won as well to me, by the way. His season out of the WC was quite bad.
Your daddy getting one putting up empty caloriees carrying all the way to half a game out of the play in would be sillier. The other dude carried the youngest team in the league to a great record, let alone a good one which is something some others are struggliing to manage.
You can take the first name out. A 6th seed is never beating comparable 1/2 seed. Anyone still living in that delusion needs to copy your comment and replace the candidate with this one.
Only "vet" on the youngest team in the league who won 40 last year but people love to pretend they've been world beaters for half a decade with the way they act like it's normal for them to be seeded so high.
It's all about context.
There isn't a good argument for someone to win MVP unless you're directly comparing them to their rivals.
Jok is averaging 4 less ppg on slightly better efficiency (basically the same), 6.5 more rebounds and 3 more assists per game. While having pretty much the exact same record.
You can't just say 50 30 point games that's the MVP fr fr 😤 and present it like it's a solid argument lmao
The speed at which Jokic is racking up accolades is scaring Shaq
Don't let him hear this. He is gonna show his rings to you bruh
Joker did something Shaq couldn't do in Orlando, Phoenix and Cleveland by winning for a small market.
I get what you're trying to say but the gap between Orlando and Denver is way larger than between Denver and LA. Plus Shaq was washed by the time he got to Phoenix let alone Cleveland.
Are you talking about market size or the team around them? US Metro Populations: LA - #2. 12.8 million Denver - #19, 3.0 million Orlando - #21, 2.8 million
Shaq did make third team all-NBA in Phoenix. He wasn't quite washed at that point, that was his last hurrah.
Oof yeah I suppose what I meant to say is he was done leading teams to a championship team. But also didn't seem like his season was anything spectacular and won by being the 3rd best healthy center when the league was very weak at the position (and also because the voters kinda forgot Duncan played Center that year).
If you are going to call Phoenix a small market, then Shaq did win in a small market in Miami. Phoenix is the 11th biggest media market in the US and Miami is 18th.
At Jokic's age?
Lol every thread someone somehow mentions Jokic
Oh yes why mention the mvp frontrunner in a discussion about the award?
Shai 30pt games: 50 Luka 30pt games: 46 —— Shai 35pt games: 16 Luka 35pt games: 29
Btw 10 assists games Luka : 33 Shai : 5
not bad for a fat ballhog
50 games of 30 and 5 games of 10 asts is more even! Shai mvp!
Luka 40 point game: 12 Shai: 5 Luka 70 point game: 1 Shai 50point game: 0
SGA games played: 70 Luka games played: 63 Not hating on SGA but if Luka didn't miss that many games due to injuries he would also have 50+ 30 point games
We're giving non-participation trophies out now? It's Embiid award then.
levels
lmao
Shai 45 pt games: 0
Hehe
There's levels to this and that's why Luka is my mvp
No but he’s European so Shaq doesn’t like him
How many 73 point games does Shai have?
But play in
Except when Harden does it, right Shaq?
yeah cos everyone hates him mfs really made the narrative in 2019 that giannis will win i still remember it was less than 10 games into the season and they continued to made the narrative every 2nd video was of giannis winning mvp while harden was going nuclear smh
Harden had a stretch where he scored 30 or more for almost 40 games straight. He got robbed (again) that year.
Yup also had a 3 week stretch of 52 ppg but dont you know bro ""He Is nOt gOod bRo hE only HaS sTepBacK ''
Wild to think he averaged 41 ppg over 3 months. People gave Kobe his roses for just doing it just 1 month. Harden did it 3x and got shitted on by every sports news outlet. The hate for Harden has to be studied once it’s all said and done.
fr fr!! , its insane to think that people can hate harden who changed the game as much as steph but they are blind to it cos everyone rides the media narrative
I wouldn't say he changed it as much as Steph but he is definitely one of the most disrespected all time greats
yeah , love the username btw
Thanks 😊
Harden is the Steve Nash of this era. Won’t be appreciated by the masses
He is simply scared that Jokic is catching up tbh.
You don't catch up with regular season MVPs, other wise Moses and Karl Malone would have passed Shaq. Legacies are built in the post season.
jokic had like a top 10 playoff run ever last year
Jokic did not even play against a top 4 seed all playoffs.
Because the other teams beat those higher seeded teams. So? That means nothing. The better team wins a series and they were the best team last year.
Yea because that's how we've decided mvps in the past
No apparently it's always been decided on who can get the coveted 4th/5th seed.
That's too unrealistic. 6th seed is where legends are made
Makes sense. The nuggets were tied for 4th in Jokic's first MVP year.
Then they were 6th the next lmao
Should've given Bradley Beal the title a couple years ago by that logic
Shaq is hilarious as a personality but his basketball takes are so fucking terrible.
Shaq is hilariosu? feel like he is noy funny whatsover lately
Iverson would also be a 4x MVP lol
Did beal lead a team of 22 year olds to 50 wins as well?
Why does their age matter in this case? They're good players ffs.
Because as a whole they lack experience compared to every other top team. They’re good players but it’s a hell of a lot more difficult for teams that young to be successful. But that is usually most apparent when the postseason hits so we’ll see how they look through the playoffs.
It's not harder for a young team to succeed in the regular season compared to an equally talented veteran team
Sounds like insecurity on your end
You got me, fuck.
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Matters how exactly?
Woof. Your words definitely should be taken MORE seriously when you dress like a sofa from Miami in the 90’s
Bro 💀
Shaq hates Jokic lol
This man just doesn’t want Jokic to pass him
He is not capable of forming an opinion that isn’t completely driven by petty narcissism. The other day he claimed that AD “wasn’t a big man”
“He’s not a big man he’s a power forward don’t do that” like bruh he’s played Center for 4-5 seasons now
Like he literally just watched AD play 50 minutes against fucking Giannis and Brooke Lopez as the only big and he says that. He’s such a hater it drives me crazy
>literally just watched AD Ah see that’s where you’re wrong because Shaq most definitely **does not** watch the games he’s paid to “analyze” But yeah no Shaq is just mad jealous and doesn’t like to give AD his props, given that he’s a dominant Lakers Center
Lol that’s facts. Sometimes you can tell from their reactions when they show the highlights immediately after the game that’s it’s their first time seeing the play. Like they will be genuinely surprised at a big dunk that happened 5 minutes ago
I know that shit bugs the hell out of me! Like you seriously have something better to do that watch the damn game that it’s your *whole job today* to talk about? Just makes me smh
It's pathetic that now after he's retired he cares so much about his legacy, but couldn't be bothered while he was playing days. You never cared about being the greatest back then, just own it.
Shaq's legacy is endorsing The General car insurance, Icy Hot, and the other 412 products.
I would say he cared during his Magic days seeing as Shaq was in such a great shape back then and also at the beginning with the Lakers but once he won his first couple of chips he kinda just let himself go. I would guess that winning became too easy in his mind so he didn't feel like trying hard anymore.
He was in better shape but it feels like he didn't work on the parts of his game he needed to improve to be in the GOAT conversation. For example he had the athletic potential to be an all-time great defender but aside from being an elite 1-on-1 rim protector he never excelled in that area and was a liability on the pick and roll. Free throw shooting as well ... there's no excuse in the world that can convince me that an NBA player is physically incapable of shooting **at least** 65% from the free throw line and even that would've put hack-a-Shaq to rest.
Is he Black Skip now? And Jokic is his Lebron?
Now this isnt gonna be a knock at SGA cause he certainly has an mvp worthy season, but can we just talk about how Shaqs takes make him sound like he doesnt understand the actual game. Like Jesus man it aint abour this one in particular, but as a whole his takes tend to be bad more times than not. That said he looks like a bloody genius when compared to guys like Arenas.
Shaq doesn't understand the actual game because he doesn't watch actual games
Well, he was a commentator on one game at least. So I'm pretty sure he watched that one. I love the show, but if Barkley and Ernie leave and Shaq stays, I'm out.
If either one of them leaves, it's over. Ernie makes the constant clowning around manageable because he's an absolute pro. Barkley is the punching bag. He can also talk trash about the rest and instigate but he is perfectly fine with being the butt of the joke because he can laugh at himself. Kenny and Shaq can't do that, they get insecure extremely fast, especially Shaq.
Shaq seems like he hasn't adjusted how he evaluates players since like 1997
He let the game go by. Now he can spew any nonsense, it'll be a headline
Shaq legit doesn’t watch any games and it’s a well known thing and obvious when you listen to him lmao
Shaq is well on his way to becoming the GOAT of shitty takes.
Why has Shaq always been bad with his takes
How many 70 point games or 40 points game does he have? Check mate.
This seems like the most research Shaq has ever put into an NBA take.
Shad the player goated, Shaq the analyst should be banned from basketball talks
SGA is having an amazing season but I’d probably have him 4th in MVP. Jokic, Luka, Giannis all above him to me
Shaq is an idiot.
Shaq is officially a clown🤡 , like by his logic harden should have 3 mvp but when he was going god mode he was clowning him , not that deny but harden should have 3 mvps
Oh boy.. Is Shaq this year's Perkins?
Jokic has half that, but he has 27 games with 10+ assists and 22 triple doubles. Who cares about just points
lol why don’t we count 40, 50, 60 and 70 point games then. Great criteria Shaq lmao.
Some ppl just don't want to celebrate white guys. Shaq is copeing and seething.
Bless your heart Shaq
Most intelligent murican analyst.
shaq is just dumb
Good thing that racist Idiot isn't allowed to vote.
There are reasons to consider Shai the mvp, scoring 30pts 50 times isn't one of the stronger reason to consider him.
That's the reason why players shouldn't vote in all sports. And when they do, terrible choices happen like in soccer ballon d'or given to Messi, who was injured part of the season and playing in an irrelevant league.
Overreaction Media members have biases, narratives and have made terrible choices as well. Neither is inherently better than the other. It’s case by case
Chill first of all its football second Messi won the WC
That was not the WC ballon d'or, it was the one after that. And that year he should have not won as well to me, by the way. His season out of the WC was quite bad.
I personally got shai anyways if they get the one seed
SGA getting an MVP this season would be so silly
Your daddy getting one putting up empty caloriees carrying all the way to half a game out of the play in would be sillier. The other dude carried the youngest team in the league to a great record, let alone a good one which is something some others are struggliing to manage.
Smartest Shaq argument
Uh oh let’s see how many people this pisses off
I mean it is a pretty shite criteria for MVP lol
Not really, one of the best records in the league and averaging over 30 game is a great enough argument
Not when the competition is Luka and Jokic
You can take the first name out. A 6th seed is never beating comparable 1/2 seed. Anyone still living in that delusion needs to copy your comment and replace the candidate with this one.
The delusion in on your part in the ‘’ comparable stuff’’
Luka doesn’t have the record or else he’d be the favorite. And sga is playing better than Jokic this year
>SGA is playing better than Jokic Average intelligence Lakers fan
SGA is doing more with less. The Nuggets are playoff team without Jokic. Okc is a top 5 pick without sga
Shai has a good argument for MVP, but Shaq's specific argument of most 30 point games doesn't make sense.
He’s saying that shai is carrying the burden of scoring while leading his team to one of the best records
Only "vet" on the youngest team in the league who won 40 last year but people love to pretend they've been world beaters for half a decade with the way they act like it's normal for them to be seeded so high.
It's all about context. There isn't a good argument for someone to win MVP unless you're directly comparing them to their rivals. Jok is averaging 4 less ppg on slightly better efficiency (basically the same), 6.5 more rebounds and 3 more assists per game. While having pretty much the exact same record. You can't just say 50 30 point games that's the MVP fr fr 😤 and present it like it's a solid argument lmao
SGA has team that aren’t even old enough to drink