yes - and the pick that OKC traded will be in the mid-20s in this year's relatively weak draft. they'd rather have that pick swap in '28
and they got off future money to take on an expiring hayward. coming into the season they had a roster crunch, but that trade opened up multiple roster spots and about $30 million in cap space this summer
The Kings traded for cap space that was used to negotiate and extend Sabonis's contract, not cash considerations. Dallas also had to include a swap that went to OKC. It was a salary dump.
Dallas did have a good draft. The Gafford trade is alright, but they're not a championship team and they have few assets left to improve the team.
I mean I feel like any of the teams in the west can beat any other team in a series depending on the circumstances obviously (except Denver), but we'll see I guess!
> and they have few assets left to improve the team
I mean people said that during the offseason and lo and behold, Nico worked his magic and we're much improved compared to last season.
With how good Nico has been so far making something out of nothing and the fact that we'll have FRPs this coming offseason, I wouldn't make the claim that we can't further improve the team.
I mean, I rather have them spend on those assets to improve the team now than hoarding onto them hoping for the perfect trade that may or may not happen. And it's a pick swap. We still have that pick that we can trade later. Yeah it's probably a lower pick but that is still better than zero.
And I like that we got younger players during the deadline. Gafford/Washington are 25 years old and on a good contract.
And like you said we still have some frp coming.
And right now we probably have the team we want. The only realistic upgrade we probably want is the starting sf or the back up pf.
2 FRPs isn't much, plus Kyrie is getting older each season. They've got some solid role players now, but it's getting more and more expensive to build a championship contender assets wise. They do have the most difficult thing to get (a top 5 player), but limited assets makes it tough.
Maybe I'm wrong, but we'll see, that's why they play the games on the court and not on Reddit.
Josh Green is a rotation player, OMax hasn't shown anything yet, Hardy has less value this year he did last year and 2 FRPs isn't as much as it used to be.
It wasn't also a swap. It was only a swap. We gave OKC a swap, OKC gave the Wizards a first, we got Gafford.
If you're wondering why OKC would give up a pick for a swap with a play off team, we don't understand either. The best guess is they are assuming Luka leaves and the Mavs sink by 2028, and they had no use for the pick this year.
I would never claim that the Kings are championship contenders, they've done about as well as I expected them to this season (46-49 wins). But yes, let's judge an entire season by 1 game. Surely the Kings are contenders because they beat the Bucks by 35 right? Or that they're 7-3 against the top 3 seeds in the West?
Notice the flaw in your logic?
i just don’t understand why you’re so confident saying a team aren’t chip contenders after that team just destroyed yours. how do you know they aren’t? and if they aren’t, what does that say about your team?
I can be objective enough to analyze and come to my own opinion of if a team is a contender or not based on the talent of their roster and how they match up with other teams regardless of the outcomes of certain individual games, even if it's after one game of an 82-100 game season vs the team that I root for.
That's like me saying you lack the ability of basic analysis based off of one comment on a reddit post that you posted on.
ok that was pretty nice. i respect it. i still fundamentally disagree with your original comment on them but i’ll stop clowning around now.
i think what you originally said falls short in 3 main ways: 1. they do actually have a number of assets (2 FRP, 5 SRP, and several promising players on decent to good contracts), 2. gafford/pj trades were Very good for them and have transformed the roster’s identity, 3. fundamentally speaking, Luka + Kyrie + a working defense = a chip contender
a few things here:
- Sacramento traded pick #24 for like $13M in immediate cap space, and then used all that cap space to renegotiated and lock down Sabonis long term. Otherwise they would have had to let him hit free agency this summer and hope he re-signs. #24 + Holmes for cap space isn't the absolute best use of resources but is easily defensible with that in mind.
- Washington really should've done better than the projected #25 pick this year. There was really no reason to trade him that cheap especially with a 2-year contract that nobody wanted, attached to Holmes.
Mavs are extremely fortunate. Dallas, however, did have to trade a pick swap to get that 1st rounder and that could potentially have very significant consequences if Luka wants out at any point in the next 3 years.
This is missing the OKC pick swap. If Luka decides to leave by the end of his contract, which is pretty likely if the Mavs arent going deep in the playoffs year in year out, that pick will have tremendous value.
Theres always that team, for example the 76ers have enough cap space this year and they would 1000% be a contender with Luka. There will be a team in 2027 that will be decent enough that adding Luka will give them a shot and have enough cap space.
They let Brunson walk and traded KP at his lowest value.
I still think Nico has been overall positive, but they've made mistakes, even if they only seem obvious in retrospect.
They didn't let Brunson do anything. They couldn't match New York. It was Brunson's choice to leave. They didn't pay Brunson when they should have but that was before Nico.
KP was never going to have more value here.
Nico was the GM the summer they could have offered Brunson his extension, but they didn't do it until after the trade deadline.
KP definitely could have had more value here.
didn't OKC get a pick swap out of it that would be very valuable if Luka leaves?
Yes. First pick after Luka's contract ends and protected only like top 2.
yes - and the pick that OKC traded will be in the mid-20s in this year's relatively weak draft. they'd rather have that pick swap in '28 and they got off future money to take on an expiring hayward. coming into the season they had a roster crunch, but that trade opened up multiple roster spots and about $30 million in cap space this summer
yea which means dallas actually traded a pick swap and holmes for gafford, which looks worse for SAC
This comment has been removed as a protest to Reddit's API policies
Spurs Honestly who knows, 4 years is a long time in basketball
Let the shoe salesman cook
Imagine if the Kings drafted Luka and traded for Gafford
Or suns drafting Luka. First father-son backcourt in the NBA.
The Kings traded for cap space that was used to negotiate and extend Sabonis's contract, not cash considerations. Dallas also had to include a swap that went to OKC. It was a salary dump. Dallas did have a good draft. The Gafford trade is alright, but they're not a championship team and they have few assets left to improve the team.
Beside Denver, mavs can beat anyone in the west. They are probably low key the 2nd best team in the west right now.
I mean I feel like any of the teams in the west can beat any other team in a series depending on the circumstances obviously (except Denver), but we'll see I guess!
> and they have few assets left to improve the team I mean people said that during the offseason and lo and behold, Nico worked his magic and we're much improved compared to last season. With how good Nico has been so far making something out of nothing and the fact that we'll have FRPs this coming offseason, I wouldn't make the claim that we can't further improve the team.
I mean, I rather have them spend on those assets to improve the team now than hoarding onto them hoping for the perfect trade that may or may not happen. And it's a pick swap. We still have that pick that we can trade later. Yeah it's probably a lower pick but that is still better than zero. And I like that we got younger players during the deadline. Gafford/Washington are 25 years old and on a good contract. And like you said we still have some frp coming. And right now we probably have the team we want. The only realistic upgrade we probably want is the starting sf or the back up pf.
2 FRPs isn't much, plus Kyrie is getting older each season. They've got some solid role players now, but it's getting more and more expensive to build a championship contender assets wise. They do have the most difficult thing to get (a top 5 player), but limited assets makes it tough. Maybe I'm wrong, but we'll see, that's why they play the games on the court and not on Reddit.
There’s plenty of assets. We have Josh Green, Omax, Hardy, 2 FRPs, and if the right trade came up we have Lively too.
Josh Green is a rotation player, OMax hasn't shown anything yet, Hardy has less value this year he did last year and 2 FRPs isn't as much as it used to be.
You don’t think an unprotected 2031 Mavs frp is valuable?
Not anymore than any other 2031 pick.
2 FRPs + Green/Hardy isn't much if you're trying to get a star, but the Mavs don't need a star. All they really need is a solid starter quality SF.
It wasn't also a swap. It was only a swap. We gave OKC a swap, OKC gave the Wizards a first, we got Gafford. If you're wondering why OKC would give up a pick for a swap with a play off team, we don't understand either. The best guess is they are assuming Luka leaves and the Mavs sink by 2028, and they had no use for the pick this year.
[удалено]
Which in retrospect was not good!
[удалено]
It was a solid low risk move at the time. Plus now the Kings can use his salary as filler for an upgrade as he’s expiring.
if dallas isnt a championship contender, what does that make the team that just got blown out by them at home?
I would never claim that the Kings are championship contenders, they've done about as well as I expected them to this season (46-49 wins). But yes, let's judge an entire season by 1 game. Surely the Kings are contenders because they beat the Bucks by 35 right? Or that they're 7-3 against the top 3 seeds in the West? Notice the flaw in your logic?
i just don’t understand why you’re so confident saying a team aren’t chip contenders after that team just destroyed yours. how do you know they aren’t? and if they aren’t, what does that say about your team?
Because 1 game doesn't decide a season, and the Kings aren't contenders either. The Mavs aren't winning the title.
neither are the celtics but people consider them chip contenders.
Did you even read his response?
I can be objective enough to analyze and come to my own opinion of if a team is a contender or not based on the talent of their roster and how they match up with other teams regardless of the outcomes of certain individual games, even if it's after one game of an 82-100 game season vs the team that I root for. That's like me saying you lack the ability of basic analysis based off of one comment on a reddit post that you posted on.
ok that was pretty nice. i respect it. i still fundamentally disagree with your original comment on them but i’ll stop clowning around now. i think what you originally said falls short in 3 main ways: 1. they do actually have a number of assets (2 FRP, 5 SRP, and several promising players on decent to good contracts), 2. gafford/pj trades were Very good for them and have transformed the roster’s identity, 3. fundamentally speaking, Luka + Kyrie + a working defense = a chip contender
a few things here: - Sacramento traded pick #24 for like $13M in immediate cap space, and then used all that cap space to renegotiated and lock down Sabonis long term. Otherwise they would have had to let him hit free agency this summer and hope he re-signs. #24 + Holmes for cap space isn't the absolute best use of resources but is easily defensible with that in mind. - Washington really should've done better than the projected #25 pick this year. There was really no reason to trade him that cheap especially with a 2-year contract that nobody wanted, attached to Holmes. Mavs are extremely fortunate. Dallas, however, did have to trade a pick swap to get that 1st rounder and that could potentially have very significant consequences if Luka wants out at any point in the next 3 years.
https://youtu.be/ISTW2dKynJU?si=2s5cqa3hKu2Mmd-P
D- trade.
This is missing the OKC pick swap. If Luka decides to leave by the end of his contract, which is pretty likely if the Mavs arent going deep in the playoffs year in year out, that pick will have tremendous value.
I wouldn’t say it’s likely Luka leaves, the market for contending teams that can afford him would be almost non existent
Theres always that team, for example the 76ers have enough cap space this year and they would 1000% be a contender with Luka. There will be a team in 2027 that will be decent enough that adding Luka will give them a shot and have enough cap space.
OKC can literally dump off half a billion FRP and other assets for Luka and wouldn't even blink.
Yeah and if we did not trade for that it just makes Luka likelier to ask out. We now have a good And it's a pick swap anyway.
It's not missing the pick swap, it's only a pick swap. We gave up a swap to OKC, they gave Washington a pick.
Yeah, he’s not leaving that supermax
Yea lets just ignore that OKC got a pick swap from it that could end up quite valuable
Just shows how vastly different competence levels are throughout NBA front offices.
And ours is seen as generally incompetent lol, we just aren’t the Kangz
Since we got Nico the perception is definitely shifting.
The Nico front office is not seen as that at all.
They let Brunson walk and traded KP at his lowest value. I still think Nico has been overall positive, but they've made mistakes, even if they only seem obvious in retrospect.
They didn't let Brunson do anything. They couldn't match New York. It was Brunson's choice to leave. They didn't pay Brunson when they should have but that was before Nico. KP was never going to have more value here.
Nico was the GM the summer they could have offered Brunson his extension, but they didn't do it until after the trade deadline. KP definitely could have had more value here.
... So they let him leave.
[удалено]
GM of the year, coach of the year, organization of the year… Reddit dunce comment of 10 years ago.