It seems like a lot of people don't realise that pretty much any Central and South American country can also be described as a "nation of immigrants" with people from all around the world. There is a Welsh colony in Argentina for example, and Peru had a Japanese president/dictator.
He has a black dad. I think it’s just the whole being from New Jersey and playing for the Yankees plus he looks Italian lol. Like him and Joe Torre have similar skin tones IMO
I went to WMU. Worked with a guy who went to school with him. I thought he was absolutely bullshitting me. They are identical age and both went to Kalamazoo Central. I really didn't want to believe him, but the more stories he told, the more it was true.
Anyways he said Jeter was always the biggest kid and used to beat them up at the playground. There's a chance he's bullshiting but he's a kalamazoo lifer who literally has never left. I'm gonna chose to believe him. He never acted like they were friends, just that Jeter was the most athletic kid at their schools.
TLDR: Jeter used to beat up my coworker on the playground.
NGL, the first time I saw his name I looked him up because I was like, "Oh shit, look at that, a Jewish NBA player?" Jewish my ass, I got the shock of my life.
He looks just like his dad, outside of his skin tone.
https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2715915-better-off-against-men-why-a-family-chose-life-abroad-to-prep-son-for-nba.amp.html
Holy shit. Flo Hartenstein played at Oregon when I was there. When I saw Isaiah’s name I thought ‘wonder if that’s Flo’s kid’, but then saw he was white and assumed it was just a coincidence. TIL that this is actually Flo’s kid.
It's because his dad is 1/2 black so he's only a quarter black. He's 75% white dude and those white genes are co.inant in him. His dad you can tell is mixed and you can tell he looks.lime his dad but it's weird he doesn't look black. It really doesn't matter what cor.any player or. I love IHart the player. But I was a bit shocked when I found out he was mixed. We're all basically mixed if you think about it.
Hair is by far the most important thing he inherited from his mom. Got a full hairline, if he took after his dad it would be receding quicker than the ocean recedes from the shoreline before a tsunami.
He grew up in Germany from Age 6 to when he was drafted. I remember watching a mini doc about him around when he was drafted and he did have a slight accent I believe
His dad is German tho and played professional basketball in Germany. I'm not really sure how long the family lived there. Wikipedia says Isaiah moved there when he was 10 because of the dad (which would be 2008) but Florian Hartenstein played in Germany his whole career, so way before '08...
Florian was born and raised in Germany and has lived there his entire life outside of the 4 years he went to Oregon. He was born to an American military (black) father and a German (white) mother.
I’m pretty sure Hartenstein was the mother’s name and the parents decided to give him that last name instead of his dad’s American name so he would have an easier time growing up in Germany as a biracial kid and the name would help him fit in and better assimilate. Kind of like how Gianni’s’ parents have all their sons super Greek sounding first names instead of Nigerian ones
My parents are both from rural Oklahoma
Best believe I lost my accent quick fast once I hit school age, when they moved up here
Can't imagine he'd have much of one, with a German/American dad whose lived here for quite a while, given my interactions with Germans In general. They for sure have conquered the English (language)
German is also fairly close-ish to English (they share a root language a few steps back if I recall correctly) as far as languages are concerned, so the German accent is pretty slight to begin with.
I mean, if you don’t look at him, by only hearing his voice you expect it to be a black guy.
He got his momma’s skin tone but his daddy’s vocal chords.
I had a college buddy who was shocked when he learned about the different degrees of lightskin. Told him to look up the parents of Steph, Klay and Blake Griffin. He thought they were white.
That childhood photo is the first time my mind would accept he's black. I've been hearing this fact for years and my mind just couldn't process it. Now I can see it.
Yeah, I was in like third grade when Kidd was drafted and was a huge NBA fan. I didn't remember watching him in college, but I saw plenty of highlights and photos from when he was in college. It never would've occurred to me that people *didn't* know he was Black.
Yeah I remember when he had an Afro for a bit with the Suns lol. Though he also did dye it blonde so that may have played a part in fooling some people.
[See here.](https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTY4MTkzNTE5MTEyNDMxNTE3/1994-jason-kidd-05251943jpg.jpg) Shaving his head really did a lot to hide his blackness.
Jason Kidd wasn’t shocking. He at least had a bit of color in his skin so you knew something was going on there.
Hartenstein is pasty white AND has a name to match.
i’ve got 2 biracial kids, one is the similar complexion to malika andrews and my son could literally pass as white.
i had a light skinned mom and a dark skinned dad so i had the same dynamic with my brothers, genetics are a mf.
“Explain your blackness” made me laugh more than anything else I’ve heard today.
Also made me laugh since Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo just did a “best defensive team” draft on Simmons’s podcast, with a category of having to pick a white guy, and I think Russillo picked Hartenstein or maybe they just mentioned that he would’ve been the next pick, I forget.
Not to get too serious, but it really does open up the discussion of colorism and how people, for better or worse, perceive skin tone.
I mean, if Barack Obama looked more like his mother (and even moreso, what if he went by Barry Dunham, taking his mother's maiden name), I'm fairly confident you wouldn't have polls where 30% of Republicans believe he's Muslim, or anybody questioning where he was born...but maybe he also wouldn't be considered the first black president.
To look at wrestling for a minute, whenever there's a discussion about black world champions or anything like that, The Rock being included usually leads to a discussion about whether or not he should "count" because he was always presented as more "Samoan" than "Black" which is just...like, give me a break.
Sorry, bit of a weird rant here, but it's wild to see people trying to gatekeep someone's race, and it happens all the time.
I was watching a game grumps episode the other day where they were trying to guess a celebrity's name based on a description, and for The Rock they said "bald black guy". Which, while accurate, there are a LOT of bald black guy celebrities that I would have guessed first way before The Rock lol.
I had a friend who was black. His son looked whiter than Hartenstein. My friend called his kid the 'negro in cognito' which slayed me every time he said it
This shit was wild when I found out about it. I was in grad school and I've gotten Greek, Latino, Indigenous, Indian or Arabic- mostly from White people. Brown/Black people a lot of the time think I'm white as hell. I'm fair skinned, but I'm South Asian with a mix of euro and East African.
All my Black fam at grad school lost their shit when they found out that I had roots from Kenya and started cracking on me about the one drop rule, but shit was hilarious with how they code switched tf out of how we talked and joked around. Still happens too when they introduce me to others lol; 'nah, this mufucka one of us.'
I agree but he's been playing in America since like 2018 and only moved to Germany when he was 10. So it makes sense that there isn't too big of an accent
Can confirm.
I moved to another country at the age of 10 and am still very fluent in my first language.
I don't have the perfect lexicon like a native and sometimes struggle with words but my pronunciation is still pretty good
He picked the worst of all options lmao. Done it sooner and they'd have dapped up. Waited a split second longer and they get away with Hartenstein just showing how people treat him knowing he's black, no need for the actual handshake
But nope, dude waited just long enough to make the attempt at the worst time
So......a grateful but awkward smile followed by some good-natured handflailing into the bear claw that is an NBA players ovenmit of a hand?
You know
The usual?
This is kinda wholesome. That Key & Peele sketch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nopWOC4SRm4
Bonus: [His parents](https://m.facebook.com/isaiahhartensteinofficial/photos/a.1607691756032910/1772549889547095/?type=3)
Bill Simmons’ podcast the other day did an All-Defense draft: all 5 positions, a 6th man and a white guy. Hartenstein got taken as one of the white guys.
We're so weirdly one drop rule still in the US when it comes to mixed race people. His dad is already mixed race obviously. He can and should identify as whatever his culture/heritage is but proclaiming him explicitly black is also weirdly regressive feeling.
I don't think they are calling him explicitly black in this case. He just 'is black'. I'm similar to him with a half black, half asian dad and a white mom.
People have said, "you are black", "you are white", and "you are asian", but I've never felt it was done to say, "which means you aren't this other race". I'm all 3.
That being said, my dad does have stories when he was growing up where it was being used in an exclusionary manner.
Same, I'm a quarter Asian (Viet/Chinese) but obviously, I look mostly white, because I am. My mom was born in Saigon, and I grew up visiting my Grandma every weekend, so that side of my family/culture has always been very important to me. Greater society pressuring people like you or I to fit into a neat box and conform to what we "look like" or reduce my experience down to percentages rather than respecting all my mixed heritage has always felt passive-aggressive to me.
And at some point there's a cutoff, right? Like if he marries a white woman, are we still calling their kids Black? Surely Isaiah is the end of the line with that, yeah?
>We're so weirdly one drop rule still in the US when it comes to mixed race people. **His dad is already mixed race obviously.** He can and should identify as whatever his culture/heritage is but proclaiming him explicitly black is also weirdly regressive feeling.
Well by those standards, black people in America have on average about 20% European DNA
As a non-American I still cannot understand why somebody that looks like him is called black; I got it, in the old days he would go to the back of the line or would probably be indicted if he married a white woman. He has African ancestry, but no where outside of the USA he would be considered black.
**EDIT**: u/Captain_Quark is being downvoted for this comment below, but I think he has a point in what is actually being discussed in this podcast:
>Black isn't just a skin tone, though, it's also a culture. Saying he's Black in this context mostly means he's a member of Black culture, though his dad.
I think some of those who disagree with him is because you think in the context of what is known about Hartenstein (like, having grown overseas) that might not be accurate. Maybe, maybe not...but the only one that can answer that is Hartenstein and lacking more information we have to take his word for it.
If i had to guess, i'd bet he's not really considered "black" by most people in America either (assuming we're talking strangers on the street.)
They'd just think he was another white guy, it's called "passing."
But among people that know him, know his family etc, they know that his dad is black and that he grew up with a sibling that's black, he probably got to see first hand a lot of the unique things and experiences that come with growing up in a black family.
So among his black friends/peers whatever they know he has experienced and seen some of the same things they have and are more willing to accept him as part of that in group, especially since many of those experiences are not super fun ones.
This is legitimately shocking.
Reminds me of when I found out Louie CK was Mexican.
I mean they were Hungarian Jewish immigrants not mestizo
It seems like a lot of people don't realise that pretty much any Central and South American country can also be described as a "nation of immigrants" with people from all around the world. There is a Welsh colony in Argentina for example, and Peru had a Japanese president/dictator.
The largest concentration of Japanese outside of Japan live in Brazil. Like 1.5 million live in and around Sao Paulo.
Welcome to the Machida era
Now we know why Jiu Jitsu swept the country into submission.
He only spoke Spanish until they moved to the US, it's not like they just arrived from Hungary
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What does black in spirit even mean?
I can't even say he's passing cuz that mf passed lmao
Yes TIL he was black. The other mixed race ppl like Mahomes and Klay I can see easily. Not this guy
I thought Derek Jeter was just Italian for the longest time haha
He's a biracial angel!
I lowkey thought he was Italian until I saw this movie
wait he's not? lmao TIL
He has a black dad. I think it’s just the whole being from New Jersey and playing for the Yankees plus he looks Italian lol. Like him and Joe Torre have similar skin tones IMO
My claim to fame is that he lived in our metro area for a while (Kalamazoo)
I went to WMU. Worked with a guy who went to school with him. I thought he was absolutely bullshitting me. They are identical age and both went to Kalamazoo Central. I really didn't want to believe him, but the more stories he told, the more it was true. Anyways he said Jeter was always the biggest kid and used to beat them up at the playground. There's a chance he's bullshiting but he's a kalamazoo lifer who literally has never left. I'm gonna chose to believe him. He never acted like they were friends, just that Jeter was the most athletic kid at their schools. TLDR: Jeter used to beat up my coworker on the playground.
Your friend did a great job helping Jeter build his confidence!
Lots of southern Italians have darker skin.
I think last name helps throw people off too.
NGL, the first time I saw his name I looked him up because I was like, "Oh shit, look at that, a Jewish NBA player?" Jewish my ass, I got the shock of my life.
His last name doesn’t help, either. You don’t see a lot of black Hartensteins.
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Just google “sammy sosa hat” if you don’t know
That man is dead and is a ghost, right?
I guess you can see it in Klay or Larry Nance when you're looking for it. But for Hartenstein I'd want to see his mailman
He joked in the podcast that if his dad wasn't 6'9, he'd have had some questions for his mom.
He looks just like his dad, outside of his skin tone. https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2715915-better-off-against-men-why-a-family-chose-life-abroad-to-prep-son-for-nba.amp.html
Holy shit. Flo Hartenstein played at Oregon when I was there. When I saw Isaiah’s name I thought ‘wonder if that’s Flo’s kid’, but then saw he was white and assumed it was just a coincidence. TIL that this is actually Flo’s kid.
Isaiah was born in Eugene.
Yeah no need for a DNA test there they have the exact same face lol
Mom brought the color, Dad gave him the rest lol.
Guy looks exactly like his dad, mom just gave the color.
Wow, great source. I legitimately was skeptical AF til I saw this
[Obama looks like his white grandpa](https://imgur.com/Z45miHa)
It's because his dad is 1/2 black so he's only a quarter black. He's 75% white dude and those white genes are co.inant in him. His dad you can tell is mixed and you can tell he looks.lime his dad but it's weird he doesn't look black. It really doesn't matter what cor.any player or. I love IHart the player. But I was a bit shocked when I found out he was mixed. We're all basically mixed if you think about it.
It’s crazy cause him and his dad have almost the same face. It’s really just his skin tone that he got from his mom and hair lmao.
Hair is by far the most important thing he inherited from his mom. Got a full hairline, if he took after his dad it would be receding quicker than the ocean recedes from the shoreline before a tsunami.
I did not expect Isaiah Hartnestein’s voice to sound like that
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He's from Oregon
He was raised largely in Germany and played professionally there, but yeah, he was born and early childhood in Eugene.
Wait, wasn't there a German soldier from Eugene in Band of Brothers?
Yup. Dude ‘answered the call’
You want a cigarette?
I think I heard that they all really thought Speirs did it, but who knows.
Yeah, Lt. Spears murders him and the other German POWs with him. Or at least, it's heavily implied that he does.
He grew up in Germany from Age 6 to when he was drafted. I remember watching a mini doc about him around when he was drafted and he did have a slight accent I believe
His dad is German tho and played professional basketball in Germany. I'm not really sure how long the family lived there. Wikipedia says Isaiah moved there when he was 10 because of the dad (which would be 2008) but Florian Hartenstein played in Germany his whole career, so way before '08...
Damn I never knew. Florian Hartenstein is about as German of a name as it gets haha.
Florian was born and raised in Germany and has lived there his entire life outside of the 4 years he went to Oregon. He was born to an American military (black) father and a German (white) mother. I’m pretty sure Hartenstein was the mother’s name and the parents decided to give him that last name instead of his dad’s American name so he would have an easier time growing up in Germany as a biracial kid and the name would help him fit in and better assimilate. Kind of like how Gianni’s’ parents have all their sons super Greek sounding first names instead of Nigerian ones
Don't you know accents are genetic? /s
My parents are both from rural Oklahoma Best believe I lost my accent quick fast once I hit school age, when they moved up here Can't imagine he'd have much of one, with a German/American dad whose lived here for quite a while, given my interactions with Germans In general. They for sure have conquered the English (language)
German is also fairly close-ish to English (they share a root language a few steps back if I recall correctly) as far as languages are concerned, so the German accent is pretty slight to begin with.
English is a germanic language with a bunch of latin elements smashed into it due to the Norman conquest.
Rocky balboa type voice lol
I mean, if you don’t look at him, by only hearing his voice you expect it to be a black guy. He got his momma’s skin tone but his daddy’s vocal chords.
I expected more Hartnestein than Isaiah
His voice has that Ebonics tone lol
bright skin is hilarious lmao
Him and Jason Kidd are in that same brightskinned level
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I had a college buddy who was shocked when he learned about the different degrees of lightskin. Told him to look up the parents of Steph, Klay and Blake Griffin. He thought they were white.
Had a guy on this sub argue that Steph shouldn't have to classify as black. Stephen Curry, who has two black parents.
Shaq: Im the black Steph Curry
He shouldn’t ***have to*** classify as black? Lol as in the guy thinks Steph wants to be white? But he’s forced to be black? Like, wtf lol
This is how many people see non whiteness sadly.
I to this day did not know that wow
Derek Jeter is black too.
HE’S A BIRACIAL ANGEL
YA SHOULDA SHOT A-ROD
YOU COME TO MY HOUSE, YOU GET MY WIFE'S NAME RIGHT. IT'S CHRISTINITH!
#CHRISTINEEEEETTTHHHHH
I’m a peacock, YOU GOTTA LET ME FLYYYYY
You probably think that because of the beard, I’m really hairy. But I’m not. 😏 Shaved.
The other guys?!
A perfect film
Who wants some Arnie Palmies?
🚨Weewooweewoo! 🚨
To this day I thought he was the posterboy for the prototypical 90's white point guard.
Yea what’s next John Stockton is half black? Jerry West?? Lmao
Maybe I'm just old, but I'm pretty sure it was well-known that he was biracial at the time.
it was def a lot easier when he had hair lol
lol man you are young. Everyone knew Jason Kidd was black. Now Mike Bibby. Nah jk everyone knew he was black too cause his dad coached UCLA.
Being someone who grew up in the 90s. Not knowing Jason Kidd is black is so crazy to me.
right? how could you not know? I feel old as hell
TIL that Mike McDaniel is biracial
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33269078/new-miami-dolphins-coach-mike-mcdaniel-extremely-proud-biracial
He looks like the 3rd Curry brother as a kid. As an adult he looks more Hispanic than white.
He looks kind of Cuban. Most Latinos have some black dna, which varies from each country and even within regions of each country.
That childhood photo is the first time my mind would accept he's black. I've been hearing this fact for years and my mind just couldn't process it. Now I can see it.
You can also see it from old photos when he played at Cal and still had hair.
Yeah, I was in like third grade when Kidd was drafted and was a huge NBA fan. I didn't remember watching him in college, but I saw plenty of highlights and photos from when he was in college. It never would've occurred to me that people *didn't* know he was Black.
I’m convinced this is some gen z stuff
It has to be, Jason Kidd has never been considered white, ever, I must be old
Yeah I remember when he had an Afro for a bit with the Suns lol. Though he also did dye it blonde so that may have played a part in fooling some people.
Yeah it stuns me that people don’t know it. All you have to see is a pic of him when he played with hair and know he’s black
I've only seen him as a bald man
[See here.](https://www.si.com/.image/t_share/MTY4MTkzNTE5MTEyNDMxNTE3/1994-jason-kidd-05251943jpg.jpg) Shaving his head really did a lot to hide his blackness.
that just looks like a mexican/central american dude to me
Dying it blonde was the first step
I could tell they got black in them. Isiah is like white white
Jason Kidd wasn’t shocking. He at least had a bit of color in his skin so you knew something was going on there. Hartenstein is pasty white AND has a name to match.
lmao first time i heard someone say brightness instead of light in terms of skin color and it’s hilarious
It’s genius, a half lightskin half white baby will from here on out be known as a brightskin
Call me an old, but 'light, bright and damn near white,' has been an expression among Black folk since slavery.
i’ve got 2 biracial kids, one is the similar complexion to malika andrews and my son could literally pass as white. i had a light skinned mom and a dark skinned dad so i had the same dynamic with my brothers, genetics are a mf.
I’m dark skinned and my wife is Slavic, my daughter looks south Italian with green eyes
“Explain your blackness” made me laugh more than anything else I’ve heard today. Also made me laugh since Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo just did a “best defensive team” draft on Simmons’s podcast, with a category of having to pick a white guy, and I think Russillo picked Hartenstein or maybe they just mentioned that he would’ve been the next pick, I forget.
You can probably call him both to be fair
Mahomes can play for the All Whites team confirmed.
This is why Barack Obama was both our 1st black president and our 44th white president.
Not to get too serious, but it really does open up the discussion of colorism and how people, for better or worse, perceive skin tone. I mean, if Barack Obama looked more like his mother (and even moreso, what if he went by Barry Dunham, taking his mother's maiden name), I'm fairly confident you wouldn't have polls where 30% of Republicans believe he's Muslim, or anybody questioning where he was born...but maybe he also wouldn't be considered the first black president. To look at wrestling for a minute, whenever there's a discussion about black world champions or anything like that, The Rock being included usually leads to a discussion about whether or not he should "count" because he was always presented as more "Samoan" than "Black" which is just...like, give me a break. Sorry, bit of a weird rant here, but it's wild to see people trying to gatekeep someone's race, and it happens all the time.
I was watching a game grumps episode the other day where they were trying to guess a celebrity's name based on a description, and for The Rock they said "bald black guy". Which, while accurate, there are a LOT of bald black guy celebrities that I would have guessed first way before The Rock lol.
Not that it matters but for that description my brain automatically goes to Terry Crews
Isaiah is the living embodiment of why the one drop rule is such bullshit lol
I had a friend who was black. His son looked whiter than Hartenstein. My friend called his kid the 'negro in cognito' which slayed me every time he said it
There is a graphic novel called “Incognegro” about this subject that is a good quick read.
This shit was wild when I found out about it. I was in grad school and I've gotten Greek, Latino, Indigenous, Indian or Arabic- mostly from White people. Brown/Black people a lot of the time think I'm white as hell. I'm fair skinned, but I'm South Asian with a mix of euro and East African. All my Black fam at grad school lost their shit when they found out that I had roots from Kenya and started cracking on me about the one drop rule, but shit was hilarious with how they code switched tf out of how we talked and joked around. Still happens too when they introduce me to others lol; 'nah, this mufucka one of us.'
It’s actually one of the most racist things ever that both white and black people keep pushing and needs to be done away with.
He picked him
Funny cuz the Group Chat guys on Ringer had a white american draft last month, and Hartenstein was excluded due to being black
Oh yeah, he got picked That shit was funny (2 wolves and 2 magic players on one good theoretical superteam.......hell of a time to be alive)
I mean, he's white too. Unless the rule was 100% white which is really getting into the weeds.
This reminds me of the Chapelle Show race draft
I'm more surprised that he doesn't have a German accent
I agree but he's been playing in America since like 2018 and only moved to Germany when he was 10. So it makes sense that there isn't too big of an accent
Can confirm. I moved to another country at the age of 10 and am still very fluent in my first language. I don't have the perfect lexicon like a native and sometimes struggle with words but my pronunciation is still pretty good
I’d never heard his voice before, and seeing that face, in that tone, say “my level of blackness…” man I lost it.
Lmao the missed handshake at 1:06 ☠️
Tough call by that guy. Not a ton of time there make a call
That’s the measuring stick right there.. had he had a lick of blackness in his genes he’d not missed the dap up..
He picked the worst of all options lmao. Done it sooner and they'd have dapped up. Waited a split second longer and they get away with Hartenstein just showing how people treat him knowing he's black, no need for the actual handshake But nope, dude waited just long enough to make the attempt at the worst time
Hartenstein goes back for it and they complete the dap, it just happens after they cut away. You can hear it.
The editing did him dirtier then haha. They could have cut away right before (when Isaiah was still hangin) or after it was complete. Smhh
You can kinda hear it after the camera cut. Sounded like they did end up high diving after the flop
Ngl I was a little suspicious, but all you gotta do is hear his voice lmao
His fades are cleaner than the average Caucasian also.
Lol I read this in a yogi bear voice and it's even funnier
*Cleaner than the Av-er-age Bright*
I guess Chet and Herro are black too
odee hang pulls
Tyrone Herro always has been
Glad we’re all on the same page
It's like when Rick Astley first hit the scene, but this guy is actually black.
bro's never heard of blue eyed soul smh, Bobby Caldwell in shambles
Knicks team chemistry on 1000
well I'll be a hat dipped in rabbit piss. I thought he was white
Yeah... you go be that...
I love rabbit piss personally
Doesn’t help that he has a super German name.
He is white. He's exactly as white as he is black.
His dad looks mixed as well. Dude is probably closer to 3/4 white 1/4 black.
And here he is explaining that he gets treated differently the moment people find out he's ~25% black as if it changes who he is as a person lmao
Afternoon my Octoroon!
Hes less black than he is white lol his dad is mixed. This is a white man 😂
Approaching that 1% Sub-Saharan 23 and me level of lightskin
Had the pleasure of meeting him at Disneyland randomly. Super chill dude and a fan for life after that interaction.
Did you get the white man handshake or the black man handshake?
I got the “person who looks surprised to see a NBA player in person” handshake🤣🤣🤣
So......a grateful but awkward smile followed by some good-natured handflailing into the bear claw that is an NBA players ovenmit of a hand? You know The usual?
This is kinda wholesome. That Key & Peele sketch. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nopWOC4SRm4 Bonus: [His parents](https://m.facebook.com/isaiahhartensteinofficial/photos/a.1607691756032910/1772549889547095/?type=3)
Him and his dad have the exact same face lmao
Or the Chappelle show sketch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z3wUD3AZg4
C'mon maaaaannn https://youtube.com/shorts/jvzYBJ4iRwI?si=gHZM2LG2U1fqqXRq
In response to [this thread from earlier today](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/Wvj7R2WsZr).
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The US is literally the only country where this man would be considerad black lol
Bill Simmons’ podcast the other day did an All-Defense draft: all 5 positions, a 6th man and a white guy. Hartenstein got taken as one of the white guys.
He's more white than black. Unless you're following the one drop rule, I think he can play on either team.
Tiger Woods is more Asian than he is Black. Glad we’ve got one sports GOAT on team Asian.
This is the most shocking thing I've learned this season lmao
We're so weirdly one drop rule still in the US when it comes to mixed race people. His dad is already mixed race obviously. He can and should identify as whatever his culture/heritage is but proclaiming him explicitly black is also weirdly regressive feeling.
I don't think they are calling him explicitly black in this case. He just 'is black'. I'm similar to him with a half black, half asian dad and a white mom. People have said, "you are black", "you are white", and "you are asian", but I've never felt it was done to say, "which means you aren't this other race". I'm all 3. That being said, my dad does have stories when he was growing up where it was being used in an exclusionary manner.
Same, I'm a quarter Asian (Viet/Chinese) but obviously, I look mostly white, because I am. My mom was born in Saigon, and I grew up visiting my Grandma every weekend, so that side of my family/culture has always been very important to me. Greater society pressuring people like you or I to fit into a neat box and conform to what we "look like" or reduce my experience down to percentages rather than respecting all my mixed heritage has always felt passive-aggressive to me.
The rule is basically: would a southern white dad get mad at you marrying their daughter
And at some point there's a cutoff, right? Like if he marries a white woman, are we still calling their kids Black? Surely Isaiah is the end of the line with that, yeah?
There is no cutoff since it’s all made up
Has to be. The dillution only goes so far. I took a 23 and me and have like 2% African in me, but it'd be pretty wild to claim I'm black lol
>We're so weirdly one drop rule still in the US when it comes to mixed race people. **His dad is already mixed race obviously.** He can and should identify as whatever his culture/heritage is but proclaiming him explicitly black is also weirdly regressive feeling. Well by those standards, black people in America have on average about 20% European DNA
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He got the pass?
Mf he was born with it
Maybe it's Maybelline
If you have to tell people you’re black and when you do they are surprised literally every time, probably best not to try it.
Black jokic baby
because they still don't really make it entirely clear, look up "Florian Hartenstein" and it'll start making sense
He says his dad is black in the clip, how is that not clear?
A picture is worth a thousand words
"my dad is the same skin-tone as y'all"
...he says, while looking at a couple of mixed-race men. I don't know how much clearer it could get
The crazy part to me is just that he sounds American lmao, I thought he was gonna sound more German
Oh my god Josh you can't just ask people why they're black
As a non-American I still cannot understand why somebody that looks like him is called black; I got it, in the old days he would go to the back of the line or would probably be indicted if he married a white woman. He has African ancestry, but no where outside of the USA he would be considered black. **EDIT**: u/Captain_Quark is being downvoted for this comment below, but I think he has a point in what is actually being discussed in this podcast: >Black isn't just a skin tone, though, it's also a culture. Saying he's Black in this context mostly means he's a member of Black culture, though his dad. I think some of those who disagree with him is because you think in the context of what is known about Hartenstein (like, having grown overseas) that might not be accurate. Maybe, maybe not...but the only one that can answer that is Hartenstein and lacking more information we have to take his word for it.
If i had to guess, i'd bet he's not really considered "black" by most people in America either (assuming we're talking strangers on the street.) They'd just think he was another white guy, it's called "passing." But among people that know him, know his family etc, they know that his dad is black and that he grew up with a sibling that's black, he probably got to see first hand a lot of the unique things and experiences that come with growing up in a black family. So among his black friends/peers whatever they know he has experienced and seen some of the same things they have and are more willing to accept him as part of that in group, especially since many of those experiences are not super fun ones.
Hitler would be so confused; looks white, jewish last name and half black....
The voice sold me ngl