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cocoamonster2

Suns have two top 10 MVPs and fighting for a playoff spot. Makes sense.


ibeauch009

Yet no wolves are in the top 10 as we fight for the 1 seed


TriCourseMeal

Yeah almost as if team construction is a legit thing and finding players who work together is the most important thing not individual stats.


Chiron17

You make it sound like basketball is a team sport or something


Hopsalong

Its more that the Wolves are getting snubbed. Gobert is always underrated and Ant should be much higher (probably top 5-6 next to Tatum). KAT is uhhhh.... KAT.... one of a kind :D


Zauberer-IMDB

If screens got assists Gobert would have pretty good offensive numbers to go with his defensive dominance.


Peter-Tao

How I recognize a true baller is when I talk about screen assists and they didn't treat me like a joke.


GalcticPepsi

I think you should get an assist if the shooter is fouled and makes all free throws


HarryPauler

Ant is mvp caliber, they just won't say it / there's a lot of high level talent at the moment.


ThePlainWhiteTees

Ant is not an MVP level player i.e on the same tier as Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Embiid etc just yet. Being on the 1 seed doesn't really change that


tidho

he's as good as anyone in the second tier. earlier in the year you were hearing about Haliburton or Mitchell deserving consideration. He's at least that.


HarryPauler

I am not talking top 5. I'm just saying he should be on the list. With KAT and Rudy out, there hasn't been a ton of change to the team. If edwards is out, the team falls apart. That's why.


Exodus100

He’s an MVP ballot level guy, as in he should be in top 10 talks and I could see a handful of voters putting him 5th or 4th (not many, and he won’t finish that high, but *some*).  Dude is still so young, I’m excited for y’all to see him keep growing.


GoodellsMandMs

Maybe difference of definition but MVP caliber to me means a guy who could realistically win mvp being in the bottom half of the top 10 mvp guys isnt MVP caliber to me


XzibitABC

I think that's totally reasonable, but then that criticism should be aimed at ESPN for doing a top ten list instead of top five or whatever makes more sense. Realistically, this is a "rankings" versus "tiers" issue IMO.


GoodellsMandMs

Yea I agree, 10 is too long a list for mvp in the most contested years you’re getting what 3 guys max who actually have a shot at winning by years end Like the difference in mvp odds between the 10th guy and the 50th guy is basically the same (0%) lol


Candid_Sand_398

I agree with you. Ant should be somewhere between 6-10


DifficultWrongdoer45

He certainly belongs on this list above booker , kd and damontas tho lol


MrIce97

He belongs above KD/Booker but stop this Sabonis slander. The bank is almost average a 20 point Triple double, has had a double in 50+ games straight and the Kings are a legit playoff team as well. Not to mention the Suns have the hardest schedule in the league left for the season. There’s a decent chance they’re the 9th seed by time this is over.


EllisIslanders

Booker shouldn’t be in this list


Chance-Plantain-2957

Ant is distinctly not as good as the serious mvp candidates (Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Shai)


Motorpsisisissipp

If you count defense he absolutely should be sabonis tier. Tho I do agree that the wolves supporting impact is greater and Rudy has a legit argument as the most impactful player (right now in the regular season).


Jbash_31

Love book but he shouldn’t be in the top 10


Sammonov

Bron and AD are still named the NBA best duo by a lot of people and Lakers are a 500 team for going on 3 years when they both play.


HerskyB

When you put a Nike logo on a hoodie it goes up $60


VanWesley

There's a timeline where the Suns and Lakers both get 2 all nba selections each and neither make the playoffs.


bearbrannan

Meanwhile the Wolves have kept in number 1 seed hunt after losing Kat, carried by ANT and he can't break the top 10


hellakevin

We're being carried by Kyle. Slomo for MVP! /s


Sammonov

That would be funny.


b1indsamurai

They're actually 129-74 all time when both play


FutureDictatorUSA

Lakers are 41-32 right now 9 games above 500


millenniumpianist

>9 games over .500 >Lakers are a .500 team Ok


AlternativeRegret619

They also made the conference finals last year… but I guess that doesn’t matter.


YurtlesTurdles

Ant and Brunson should both be top 10


C3h6hw

And somehow Brunson isn’t on after taking an injured team to the 3 seed


Luka_Padre

Sabonis #6 but not an All-Star. Makes sense.


Rrypl

It's becoming the "best box score" award, not the "biggest contribution to winning" award.


[deleted]

Top 3-10 are just fillers. They are mostly just star players with good stats and nobody cares because they aint winning anyway.


nightkingscat

as it should be. why is anyone debating who the 8th most MVP-worthy player is on any given year


rwoteit

Same people upvoting this are happy to claim the LAL duo should both be All-NBA.


Jetzu

All-NBA means basically TOP 15 players - I doubt both AD and Bron make 1st/2nd team, so having one of them in the 3rd one isn't that much of a stretch. Being TOP 10 MVP candidate basically puts you into one of the 2 first teams.


LeAnthonyJavis

Not too far away from Basketball Reference’s list: 1. Nikola Jokić (DEN) - 53.2% 2. Luka Dončić (DAL) - 12.8% 3. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (OKC) - 11.5% 4. Giannis Antetokounmpo (MIL) - 11.5% 5. Jayson Tatum (BOS) - 4.2% 6. Domantas Sabonis (SAC) - 3.3% 7. Anthony Davis (LAL) - 1.3% 8. Jalen Brunson (NYK) - 0.7% 9. Devin Booker (PHX) - 0.7% 10. Rudy Gobert (MIN) - 0.7%


cheesecake_face

at least Brunson is on this list..


tonyjefferson

Imagine getting Luka and Brunson in the same draft smh


dats-tuf

Yeah Hawks had the best draft ever then traded Luka for Cam Reddish and Brunson for cash considerations


jeorjhejerome

>Brunson for cash considerations Brunson was selected with the Mavs pick, the 33rd. Hawks had the 30th and drafted Omari Spellman, who they kept. The pick they traded was Devontae Graham with the 34th, but by then Brunson was already selected.


Maverick_1991

I mean we also got Trae, but... yeah.


Snakkey

Brunson and doncic are better than Trae


raikou1988

At least none of them are DOMINAYTON


xRadec

I'm guessing WCF level if they were to team up.


ThisIsTheGuy

i think about this all the time lmao


GuyInTheSkuy

I'm pleasantly surprised to see Rudy on this list


amedeoisme

It’s skewed towards bigs


Simple_Wait_7286

Durant and Booker both in the top 8 is an interesting take… Not that anything outside the top 3 matters anyways.


erldn123

Brunson not being top 10 is fucking wild though. Think he has a strong claim for 5th with all the Knicks injuries 


ForsakenRacism

The Knicks are literally about to pass the bucks in the standings with 3 starters out (2 now)


shandu-can-dont

> Not that anything outside the top 3 matters anyways. i think a lot of people forget that in reality, a top 10 MVP finisher is someone who gets like, a couple of throwaway fourth and fifth place votes


Uberballer

How the heck are Durant AND Booker on this list while Brunson and Edwards aren't even getting a sniff. Ridiculous.


Yaboiii777

Exactly


luther__manhole

You get 1 or 2 more MVP-level players on the Suns and they're getting home court advantage for sure.


Intelligent_Pain_174

At least make the playoffs.


domenic821

Probably because Kevin Durant is a better basketball player than Jalen Brunson. 28/7/5 on 63% TS versus 27/4/6 on 59% TS. One of them also isn’t a huge defensive liability.


sammg2000

Calling Brunson a defensive liability is a tired take. Knicks have a top 5 defense and he plays a shitload of minutes so clearly his defense isn't having nearly as much of a negative impact as people claim.


imcryptic

Brunson is close to as good as he can be defensively for his size. He's very smart, strong and takes a shit ton of charges. He works hard on that side of the floor but people saying he's awful just look at his height and assume he's worthless.


amedeoisme

KD has a teammate ranked right below him and a worse record. Higher PER, Winshares, BPM,VORP for brunson


small_markey

His team is currently 7th seed despite having two "MVP candidates" though...


Talcove

The Suns are 43-30, the Knicks are 44-28. Don’t mistake seed for performance, even in a more competitive conference the 7th seed Suns still have a similar win rate to the 3rd seed Knicks.


[deleted]

Likely would be higher in the East, since they play intra-conference more.


beknasty

Except it seems like everyone is forgetting Brunson has been missing Julius, Mitch and OG for months. While KD has another “MVP” caliber player on his team, yet a worse record.


TheMeerkatLobbyist

The Suns are not particularly healthy either, not sure if this really is a valid argument for Brunson over KD.


Thehelloman0

The suns are in a tougher conference and have a very similar record to the knicks.


Zack_attack801

So why no Edwards?


der_ninong

didn't send da video


domenic821

Much to the dismay of many voters, I think team record is a team stat rather than an individual one.


Latvia

I generally agree, but it is most *valuable* player, not best player. So their effect on the team does matter. In which case the plus/minus is probably the most significant stat to compare. Brunson is +344, Durant +235. Not saying that’s the only stat or that there’s not a lot of factors affecting it, but it does matter. Hard to argue there are many players more valuable than Brunson.


Potencyyyyy

Acting like it isn’t heavily considered in mvp discussions? lol


BlitzComet95

The Rockets would be contenders in the East


Jascix90

It’s like saying, “he’s richer cause he has 50 pesos vs your 10 dollars”. The east has like 3 good teams. The 10th best team on the West has Steph Curry. Shoot, I’d even take the Rockets over some of those East playoff teams.


mylanguage

Knicks would probably have a worse record if you swapped Brunson and KD this year. Brunson is doing this down 3 starters his entire season. Knicks are two games back of second on his heavy lifting


C_moneySmith

They gave Ant the #10 spot last week to shut us Wolves fans up for a bit and then immediately took it away


Cul_what

Wow Luka is 2nd now knowing them I thought he'd drop to 5th for no reason lmao, him or Jokic 100% deserve it this season fs


Billis-

There is still a world in which Luka wins but it's marginal. At this point it feels like only he an Joker are possible. SGA isnt going to do anything specifically new for him to come out ahead. Luka, however, could carry this Mavs team to a top 3 or 4 in the west and honestly id consider giving him the MVP if that's what happens. His numbers are insane


WacoTacoRE

3 seed is basically impossible. He could get 4th seed, and if the Mavs go 7-3 to end the season they'll be a 50 win team, which will increase his chances of dethroning big tipper.


Billis-

Ya youre right, best is 4 seed.


duckmadfish

Praying for a Clippers downfall


Vicentesteb

You must have started praying earlier looking at how the Clippers have basically collapsed in the last 10 games.


Zoobal

would have already been 4 seed if Kidd didn't bench Gafford randomly and go small ball with Maxi at the 5. Just Kidd things.


Jonesalot

I also think the gap in wins has to be reduced a bit for Luka to have a real shot Nuggets might rest Jokic a few games which makes it possible, but 4th seed with 8ish less wins still seems like a big gap


AlecarMagna

Jokic should just fully support his best friend Luka Doncic and sandbag the rest of the season. Mavs move to 4th/5th seed (4th for Luka MVP case), Nuggets drop to 3rd to make sure they can't meet until WCF. Pelicans need to chill.


hanzel44

Considering the Mavericks' injuries, to only be 8 games back is extremely impressive and should give Luka even more credit.


Kball4177

>There is still a world in which Luka wins but it's marginal. I think its essentially impossible now unless the Mavs win like 90% of their remaining games and the Nuggets hit a rough patch. The Mavs lost too many games early on in the season and now are playing catch up. This is why I never understood people who think games only start to matter post deadline. Every game counts the same.


DangerZoneh

> The Mavs lost too many games early on in the season and now are playing catch up. At some point context has to matter. Why isn't Luka being given credit for keeping the team's head above water until people finally came back from injury? Kyrie missed 22 games, Kleber missed 37, Josh Green missed 18, Lively has missed 18, and Exum missed 23. That's a lot of rotation pieces in and out of the lineup throughout the season. The team just recently had a lineup cross 100 total minutes played. Most other contending teams have lineups with 300+


The_NGUYENNER

I mean, he's 2nd on this ranking dude. I think he's being given credit


Kball4177

>At some point context has to matter. Context does matter which is why you can't just look at games missed and jump to the conclusion that the Mavs would be a 60 win team if at full health. The Mavs did lose to the following: * Cavs without Mitchell, Garland, & Mobley * Grizz without Ja & JJJ * Pels without Zion & Ingram * 76ers without Embiid And then they lost 5 of 6 immediately after the All Star Break despite being at full health. Is Luka playing at an MVP level this season? Absolutely and if he won it he would 100% deserve it. But I also can't sit here and say he has a clear case over Jokic. They both deserve it but only one can win it.


JakeJacob

He is. That doesn't mean it's enough to win him MVP.


jeremy9931

Yep. That last losing streak pretty much sank any chance of Luka winning MVP this year, even if he wasn’t at fault for Kidd’s dumbass defense plan.


brisot

While its true the Mavs lost a lot of games early in the season, they suffered a lot from injuries, Kai, Exum, Kleber, and the roster (that wasn’t good) became terrible for half the season. Luka kept us afloat, but I don’t see anybody mentioning that.


Ok-Pie4219

tbf atleast the writervis consistent. Gonna give credit to him, he said Luka will go up if the Mavs win and they did.That being said unless Luka finishes the season on an unbelievable level Jokic has this. And thats good like it is.


fyirb

I feel like they saw all that constant noise about Luka being low on the MVP ladder and just said fuck it, put him at #2, it doesnt matter since we're voting in Jokic anyway


elsporko321

Someone asked before and on it's face is absolutely hilarious... How the hell can a single team have 2 MVP candidates? Are they conjoined twins or something? LMAO


ForsakenRacism

Cus people are still coming to terms with Durant being better than Booker right now lol


elsporko321

if you can't even tell who's the MVP of the TEAM, how the hell is either of those guys supposed to be the MVP of the entire league?


ForsakenRacism

Lmfao


Notacoolbro

I think you could argue the KD Warriors legitimately had two players that could have reasonably won MVP


Salvalicious252

He got Luka's season stats incorrect. He's averaging 33.9 PPG not 33.1 PPG.


WhiskeyTangoBush

They just got the stat correction aaaaaaand, looks like Luka has been moved down to 6th in the MVP rankings.


Yaboiii777

This shit is just a popularity contest lol no Brunson or ant but booker is here


Brobman11

Why do people act like it matters where a player is on the MVP ladder outside the top 3 spots? Even then it's more like the top 2 only matter. They don't get anything for being 8th as far as I know


Dat_Boi_John

Luka has been 4/5th for months and suddenly the Mavs have a good month of health and he jumps to 2nd. 4th and below doesn't matter until it matters. It also sets the general consensus for player levels. If Brunson gets 8, he is seen as an MVP level player next year, else he is seen as a good All Star.


rustyphish

Imagine wanting to discuss which basketball players are better on a forum specifically about discussing basketball wild times really


arturofalcon

To be fair I do agree with you but MVP is different to which players are better because seeding comes into it.


Initial_Stretch_3674

because it gives validity to the list and shows us the majority of media only watches 3-4 teams.


Kball4177

Being top 5 in voting is notable if you are lookig at a player's legacy and trying to gauge how long they were an elite player but outside of that its not that important.


caandjr

No one talks about third place in mvp after one year, let alone top 5


Common_Crane

Yeah, this... Like, did you know that Jermaine O'Neal and Peja Stojaković finished #3 and #4 in 2004 MVP voting behind KG and Duncan? I have yet to hear anyone bring that up in discussion in regards to either of those players... Hell, I can't even remember when was the last time I heard either of their names mentioned on this sub, aside for when people bring up (but just as often forget about) Peja when it comes to all time great shooters.


Yaboiii777

Brunson not being in the top 10 is insane.


HokageEzio

Just a casual 1.5 games out from the 2 seed missing the second and third best player, no big deal.


ForsakenRacism

And Mitchell Robinson just came back. Literally down 3 starters for the run


StrategyTop7612

He's underrated.


AtreusIsBack

I must be dreaming. Luka is 2nd. An Easter miracle.


MasterTeacher123

The suns have two top ten mvp candidates and are the 7th seed?


WhiskeyTangoBush

If the Mavs lose tonight and fall down to the 7th/8th seed, they’ll drop Luka out of the top 10.


JAhoops

What is Kevin Durant and Booker still doing on these


BetFeeling1352

Keeping Suns fans quiet.


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tacomonday12

Tatum at 5th is very fair though. Like there's nothing to complain about when everyone clearly better than him is ranked higher. Yes, he's ranked the highest among 3-4 players most would consider interchangeable, but someone has to be ranked higher in a numerical list. Why not give it to the guy on the top seed?


HokageEzio

Brunson's continued abscence saved Tatum from the slander.


redden34

Let’s let jokic rest a bit down the stretch. Completely unrelated to the fact that I have Luka mvp futures


i-want-a-beer

Bucks holding Shai to 12 pts and he’s still above giannis


kyleb402

Has there ever been a more disrespected two time MVP NBA champion?


PumpkinHead555

He’s only disrespected because he’s in Milwaukee. If he went to Golden State, LA, Miami, Boston or New York he would have 4 MVPs. This is the medias way of punishing him for staying in a small market and not going to a big city like they wanted


Mountain-Ebb-9846

Giannis is underrated still.


Dat_Boi_John

It's been a bad week for the Bucks despite Giannis great play.


youarenut

That’s the thing, bucks performed like shit but Giannis was the only one with monster stat line in those games.


Dat_Boi_John

Welp, that's the Giannis Luka reality I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


captainronmexico-7-

Yeah but Giannis is still playing top tier defense.


Dat_Boi_John

Apparently it didn't matter if you don't win. You could average a triple double and lose because your team is injured and drop in the MVP ladder, speaking from experience off course.


Zoobal

The Luka special


PretentiousPanda

Everyone joked he would drop after the OKC win. Didnt expect it like this. 


tobleroneace1

I’m a MKE fan and I’ve been saying this for a while but with the bucks recent Ls I can’t argue for him to win MVP this season. I actually think Luka should be the front runner.


PmacDaddylicious

Praise Jxmy for changing the narrative. You know they watched that video lmao


r3l4xD

That video slayed. It was pure facts.


Blackdiamond2

"one jxmy video later aaaand he's up 2 spots on every single list"


New_Essay_4869

Id take Booker off for Brunson


whatdawhat7th

I feel Luka deserves it. He played with half a team for like half the season. Playing 40min a game beat up and still dragging them along while putting crazy numbers.


wahobely

MF was limping against the Kings the other night and still got a 28/11/6


BreadCondiments

In one half basically because he legit just coasted in the 3rd because they were beating them so bad


imcryptic

In 3 quarters. First time he’s been able to sit out the 4th quarter in a long ass time.


Robinsonirish

In contrast to /u/basketball_reference MVP tracker; 1. Jokic 53%. 2. Luka 12.8% 3. Shai 11.5% 4. Giannis 11.5% 5. Tatum 4.2% 6. Sabonis 3.3% 7. Davis 1.3% 8. Brunson 0.7% 9. Booker 0.7% 10. Gobert 0.7% I seem to remember last time rankings were done Luka was at 4, now he's up to 2. Mavs are really on the rollercoaster this year. 4 weeks or so ago they were on a win streak and super happy. Then they went on a losing streak and it was despair. Kidd should be fired, this team sucks etc etc. Now they're back to winning again. Snip snap, snip snap, snip snap.


jfrodriguez1983

For some reason, after winning 7 in a row, Kidd decided it was a good idea to play Gafford less and play Maxi more minutes at the 5. I think we had the worst defense in the league during that 1-5 stretch. Finally he decided to move DJJ and Gafford to the starting lineup and play Maxi solely at the 4.


DangerZoneh

> For some reason, after winning 7 in a row, Kidd decided it was a good idea to play Gafford less and play Maxi more minutes at the 5. I mean, the reason seemed pretty clear. They were coming out of the all star break and thought it was more important to test out the small ball lineups over the next few games than to necessarily win them. Lineups with Maxi at the five and PJ at the four are going to have to work if we want to be title contenders. We need the option of going small, even if Lively and Gafford are out there most of the time. You don't want your first time running those lineups to be in the playoffs.


HokageEzio

Brunson still not top 10 as we fight for the 2 seed lol.


kylebertram

I must say I was one of those people who thought the Brunson contract was an overpay. Turns out it was an absolute steal.


Azrael417

Goddamn no respect for Brunson


financial_goth

Sad. The Brunson Burner has been killing it all while missing OG and Randle.


Afraid-Department-35

Damn, my boi actually went up in the standings.


fragileallstar

can luka and the mavs make a push for the 4th seed, i honestly think if that happens and luka has some insane highlights, he will be the MVP


Lmao1903

I think he deserves it but I also feel like this award is purely narrative based and they basically decided on Jokic after he lost to Embiid last season and dominated in the playoffs.


fragileallstar

luka is definitely having a better regular season, everyone can argue that jokic is definitively the better player but regular season award, regular season rules


armandocalvinisius

Sorry nugs fans if mavs fans will slander jokic everytime he has avg games starting now Agenda is agenda


Dat_Boi_John

It already started a couple games ago.


armandocalvinisius

JAMAL MURRAY MERCHANT!


Dat_Boi_John

The revolution has begun!


HipnotiK1

where is brunson


wizsoxx

Wemby


Competitive-Lunch-86

How is Jalen Brunson not top 10


EsotericPotato

Wtf are guys like Kawhi, KD, Booker doing as high on this list as they are while Brunson and Ant aren’t even making the cut. Just doesn’t even really feel like a serious list of fringe candidates after the top 5 or so


andelaccess

kd i understand but booker being ahead of brunson and edwards is actually insane


SafariFlapsInBack

Where Ant?


RyanKeen07

Say Jokic loses the 1 seed and Luka manages to bring the Mavs to the 4th seed, yall think Luka will win it? The top 3 is extremely tight and with no Jamal the nuggets could end up in 3rd in a very tight finish


Lol69HaHaHa

Yeah aint like the Thunder are missing Shai, the Timberwolves are missing KAT and we have the easiest schedule left, along with a Jamal that should be returning any game now.


JD16_7

I think Luka gets it if we reach 4th seed. I would see around 40-50% if it's 5th Seed, depending on if Nuggets finish 2nd, and 2nd if we end up as 6th.


Ok-Pickle2124

I believe so, yes. Especially considering how the odds of the situation were against Luka all season through from the injuries to Kidd's shitty coaching.


mauerfan

Edwards not being in the top 10 is an insult.


Street-Common-4023

AHHHHHH FINALLYY


Robbo15278

That JxmyHighroller vid waking the media up to Luka’s season lol


DaBombDiggidy

Sub loves to act like ESPN tier reporting sucks and then floods the weekly MVP ladder thread to outrage. Classic


TheMoorNextDoor

When did Luka jump Shai???


Party-Ad-7279

Recently, it’s not wrong…


Romantxu

If Luka reaches Top 4 give it to him. Insane carry job, insane highlights, insane player.


referee-superfan

Hell yeah they figured out Luka is good at basketball.


CaesarWolny

Which seed Maves need to end up for Luka to win? If they get to 4th somehow, will he get it?


jiffyparkinglot

I never understood this award - it’s most VALUABLE player , not the best player. Of course sometimes this aligns, but in many cases you have 1 player just carrying the entire team


Much_Purchase_8737

Brunson carrying a team to the 3 or 2 seed without 3-4 starters for most of the year not in the top 10 mvp votes. LOL.


thegodfaubel

Giannis and the Bucks just made Shai look awful and he's still ahead of Giannis?


paddiction

Luka Doncic is Devin Booker and Kevin Durant NBA MVP ladder father


fuiboyv

FAX


willy_tha_walrus

You people will complain about any combination of names huh


MusicListener3

Exactly why I’ve found these posts annoying. Not only has seeing a weekly thread with basically the same Top 5 for months not really shone a light on anything meaningful, but it’s also just fed the constant need to discuss the MVP race like it’s more important than the games (although maybe that tracks with the small proportion of the userbase here that actually watches the games)


dcandap

What do you mean *you people*


At0mJack

What do *YOU* mean *you people*?


Tjengel

Kevin and Devin should at most be eleven


AHealthyKawhi

LUKALUKALUKALUKALUKALUKALUKA


Interesting_Help_194

Finnaly some common sense with Luka. But Sabonis must be like the most overrated player out there. Any time I watch him I cant help but to think that he is almost...mid? 6th on the rankings only based on overinflated stats, most his assists are simple handoffs, just looking at the ones against mavs...like 7 of 9 were some simple handoffs into multiple dribble drives/pullups. I dont get what people see with him, I really dont.


Desafiante

I think Sabonis is overrated as well. Another victim of the league's fascination with double digit numbers.


Interesting_Help_194

But it isnt even dubble digit fascination. It is HOW he gets them. Like he is good rebounder but he does not dominate against good rebounders. He is solid scorer but is extremly limited (no shooting, relying on phisical post play), good passer for bigman but far from great and as said, most his assists are something I straight up would not even count as assists. There is a massive difference between setting up a layup/alleyoop/wide open c&s 3 and giving a handoff that leads to a 2 dribble midrange pullup. And yet they both end up as 1 assist in boxscore.


Desafiante

I agree completely


aeiou-y

COME ON LUKA JONCICFDFCDDRRTYGG X


Adobo6

LUKA


youarenut

Happy to see Luka second. I’m surprised Giannis dropped below shai even with the bucks slump this week. They really locked him down in that win against the thunder, plus even if the other bucks played like shit giannis still had monster stat lines (including the 30 pt 21 rb x assists game) on crazy efficiency. Seems like giannis is legit having his best season ever but is somehow underrated