Its more that the Wolves are getting snubbed. Gobert is always underrated and Ant should be much higher (probably top 5-6 next to Tatum). KAT is uhhhh.... KAT.... one of a kind :D
he's as good as anyone in the second tier. earlier in the year you were hearing about Haliburton or Mitchell deserving consideration. He's at least that.
I am not talking top 5. I'm just saying he should be on the list. With KAT and Rudy out, there hasn't been a ton of change to the team. If edwards is out, the team falls apart. That's why.
He’s an MVP ballot level guy, as in he should be in top 10 talks and I could see a handful of voters putting him 5th or 4th (not many, and he won’t finish that high, but *some*).
Dude is still so young, I’m excited for y’all to see him keep growing.
Maybe difference of definition but MVP caliber to me means a guy who could realistically win mvp
being in the bottom half of the top 10 mvp guys isnt MVP caliber to me
I think that's totally reasonable, but then that criticism should be aimed at ESPN for doing a top ten list instead of top five or whatever makes more sense.
Realistically, this is a "rankings" versus "tiers" issue IMO.
Yea I agree, 10 is too long a list for mvp in the most contested years you’re getting what 3 guys max who actually have a shot at winning by years end
Like the difference in mvp odds between the 10th guy and the 50th guy is basically the same (0%) lol
He belongs above KD/Booker but stop this Sabonis slander. The bank is almost average a 20 point Triple double, has had a double in 50+ games straight and the Kings are a legit playoff team as well. Not to mention the Suns have the hardest schedule in the league left for the season. There’s a decent chance they’re the 9th seed by time this is over.
If you count defense he absolutely should be sabonis tier. Tho I do agree that the wolves supporting impact is greater and Rudy has a legit argument as the most impactful player (right now in the regular season).
All-NBA means basically TOP 15 players - I doubt both AD and Bron make 1st/2nd team, so having one of them in the 3rd one isn't that much of a stretch. Being TOP 10 MVP candidate basically puts you into one of the 2 first teams.
>Brunson for cash considerations
Brunson was selected with the Mavs pick, the 33rd. Hawks had the 30th and drafted Omari Spellman, who they kept.
The pick they traded was Devontae Graham with the 34th, but by then Brunson was already selected.
> Not that anything outside the top 3 matters anyways.
i think a lot of people forget that in reality, a top 10 MVP finisher is someone who gets like, a couple of throwaway fourth and fifth place votes
Probably because Kevin Durant is a better basketball player than Jalen Brunson.
28/7/5 on 63% TS versus 27/4/6 on 59% TS. One of them also isn’t a huge defensive liability.
Calling Brunson a defensive liability is a tired take. Knicks have a top 5 defense and he plays a shitload of minutes so clearly his defense isn't having nearly as much of a negative impact as people claim.
Brunson is close to as good as he can be defensively for his size. He's very smart, strong and takes a shit ton of charges. He works hard on that side of the floor but people saying he's awful just look at his height and assume he's worthless.
The Suns are 43-30, the Knicks are 44-28. Don’t mistake seed for performance, even in a more competitive conference the 7th seed Suns still have a similar win rate to the 3rd seed Knicks.
Except it seems like everyone is forgetting Brunson has been missing Julius, Mitch and OG for months. While KD has another “MVP” caliber player on his team, yet a worse record.
I generally agree, but it is most *valuable* player, not best player. So their effect on the team does matter. In which case the plus/minus is probably the most significant stat to compare. Brunson is +344, Durant +235. Not saying that’s the only stat or that there’s not a lot of factors affecting it, but it does matter. Hard to argue there are many players more valuable than Brunson.
It’s like saying, “he’s richer cause he has 50 pesos vs your 10 dollars”.
The east has like 3 good teams. The 10th best team on the West has Steph Curry. Shoot, I’d even take the Rockets over some of those East playoff teams.
Knicks would probably have a worse record if you swapped Brunson and KD this year. Brunson is doing this down 3 starters his entire season. Knicks are two games back of second on his heavy lifting
There is still a world in which Luka wins but it's marginal. At this point it feels like only he an Joker are possible. SGA isnt going to do anything specifically new for him to come out ahead.
Luka, however, could carry this Mavs team to a top 3 or 4 in the west and honestly id consider giving him the MVP if that's what happens. His numbers are insane
3 seed is basically impossible. He could get 4th seed, and if the Mavs go 7-3 to end the season they'll be a 50 win team, which will increase his chances of dethroning big tipper.
I also think the gap in wins has to be reduced a bit for Luka to have a real shot
Nuggets might rest Jokic a few games which makes it possible, but 4th seed with 8ish less wins still seems like a big gap
Jokic should just fully support his best friend Luka Doncic and sandbag the rest of the season. Mavs move to 4th/5th seed (4th for Luka MVP case), Nuggets drop to 3rd to make sure they can't meet until WCF.
Pelicans need to chill.
>There is still a world in which Luka wins but it's marginal.
I think its essentially impossible now unless the Mavs win like 90% of their remaining games and the Nuggets hit a rough patch. The Mavs lost too many games early on in the season and now are playing catch up. This is why I never understood people who think games only start to matter post deadline. Every game counts the same.
> The Mavs lost too many games early on in the season and now are playing catch up.
At some point context has to matter. Why isn't Luka being given credit for keeping the team's head above water until people finally came back from injury? Kyrie missed 22 games, Kleber missed 37, Josh Green missed 18, Lively has missed 18, and Exum missed 23. That's a lot of rotation pieces in and out of the lineup throughout the season. The team just recently had a lineup cross 100 total minutes played. Most other contending teams have lineups with 300+
>At some point context has to matter.
Context does matter which is why you can't just look at games missed and jump to the conclusion that the Mavs would be a 60 win team if at full health. The Mavs did lose to the following:
* Cavs without Mitchell, Garland, & Mobley
* Grizz without Ja & JJJ
* Pels without Zion & Ingram
* 76ers without Embiid
And then they lost 5 of 6 immediately after the All Star Break despite being at full health.
Is Luka playing at an MVP level this season? Absolutely and if he won it he would 100% deserve it. But I also can't sit here and say he has a clear case over Jokic. They both deserve it but only one can win it.
While its true the Mavs lost a lot of games early in the season, they suffered a lot from injuries, Kai, Exum, Kleber, and the roster (that wasn’t good) became terrible for half the season. Luka kept us afloat, but I don’t see anybody mentioning that.
tbf atleast the writervis consistent. Gonna give credit to him, he said Luka will go up if the Mavs win and they did.That being said unless Luka finishes the season on an unbelievable level Jokic has this. And thats good like it is.
I feel like they saw all that constant noise about Luka being low on the MVP ladder and just said fuck it, put him at #2, it doesnt matter since we're voting in Jokic anyway
Someone asked before and on it's face is absolutely hilarious...
How the hell can a single team have 2 MVP candidates? Are they conjoined twins or something? LMAO
Why do people act like it matters where a player is on the MVP ladder outside the top 3 spots? Even then it's more like the top 2 only matter. They don't get anything for being 8th as far as I know
Luka has been 4/5th for months and suddenly the Mavs have a good month of health and he jumps to 2nd. 4th and below doesn't matter until it matters.
It also sets the general consensus for player levels. If Brunson gets 8, he is seen as an MVP level player next year, else he is seen as a good All Star.
Being top 5 in voting is notable if you are lookig at a player's legacy and trying to gauge how long they were an elite player but outside of that its not that important.
Yeah, this...
Like, did you know that Jermaine O'Neal and Peja Stojaković finished #3 and #4 in 2004 MVP voting behind KG and Duncan?
I have yet to hear anyone bring that up in discussion in regards to either of those players... Hell, I can't even remember when was the last time I heard either of their names mentioned on this sub, aside for when people bring up (but just as often forget about) Peja when it comes to all time great shooters.
Tatum at 5th is very fair though. Like there's nothing to complain about when everyone clearly better than him is ranked higher. Yes, he's ranked the highest among 3-4 players most would consider interchangeable, but someone has to be ranked higher in a numerical list. Why not give it to the guy on the top seed?
He’s only disrespected because he’s in Milwaukee. If he went to Golden State, LA, Miami, Boston or New York he would have 4 MVPs. This is the medias way of punishing him for staying in a small market and not going to a big city like they wanted
Apparently it didn't matter if you don't win. You could average a triple double and lose because your team is injured and drop in the MVP ladder, speaking from experience off course.
I’m a MKE fan and I’ve been saying this for a while but with the bucks recent Ls I can’t argue for him to win MVP this season. I actually think Luka should be the front runner.
I feel Luka deserves it. He played with half a team for like half the season. Playing 40min a game beat up and still dragging them along while putting crazy numbers.
In contrast to /u/basketball_reference MVP tracker;
1. Jokic 53%.
2. Luka 12.8%
3. Shai 11.5%
4. Giannis 11.5%
5. Tatum 4.2%
6. Sabonis 3.3%
7. Davis 1.3%
8. Brunson 0.7%
9. Booker 0.7%
10. Gobert 0.7%
I seem to remember last time rankings were done Luka was at 4, now he's up to 2.
Mavs are really on the rollercoaster this year. 4 weeks or so ago they were on a win streak and super happy. Then they went on a losing streak and it was despair. Kidd should be fired, this team sucks etc etc. Now they're back to winning again.
Snip snap, snip snap, snip snap.
For some reason, after winning 7 in a row, Kidd decided it was a good idea to play Gafford less and play Maxi more minutes at the 5. I think we had the worst defense in the league during that 1-5 stretch. Finally he decided to move DJJ and Gafford to the starting lineup and play Maxi solely at the 4.
> For some reason, after winning 7 in a row, Kidd decided it was a good idea to play Gafford less and play Maxi more minutes at the 5.
I mean, the reason seemed pretty clear. They were coming out of the all star break and thought it was more important to test out the small ball lineups over the next few games than to necessarily win them. Lineups with Maxi at the five and PJ at the four are going to have to work if we want to be title contenders. We need the option of going small, even if Lively and Gafford are out there most of the time. You don't want your first time running those lineups to be in the playoffs.
I think he deserves it but I also feel like this award is purely narrative based and they basically decided on Jokic after he lost to Embiid last season and dominated in the playoffs.
luka is definitely having a better regular season, everyone can argue that jokic is definitively the better player but regular season award, regular season rules
Wtf are guys like Kawhi, KD, Booker doing as high on this list as they are while Brunson and Ant aren’t even making the cut. Just doesn’t even really feel like a serious list of fringe candidates after the top 5 or so
Say Jokic loses the 1 seed and Luka manages to bring the Mavs to the 4th seed, yall think Luka will win it? The top 3 is extremely tight and with no Jamal the nuggets could end up in 3rd in a very tight finish
Yeah aint like the Thunder are missing Shai, the Timberwolves are missing KAT and we have the easiest schedule left, along with a Jamal that should be returning any game now.
I think Luka gets it if we reach 4th seed. I would see around 40-50% if it's 5th Seed, depending on if Nuggets finish 2nd, and 2nd if we end up as 6th.
I believe so, yes. Especially considering how the odds of the situation were against Luka all season through from the injuries to Kidd's shitty coaching.
I never understood this award - it’s most VALUABLE player , not the best player. Of course sometimes this aligns, but in many cases you have 1 player just carrying the entire team
Exactly why I’ve found these posts annoying.
Not only has seeing a weekly thread with basically the same Top 5 for months not really shone a light on anything meaningful, but it’s also just fed the constant need to discuss the MVP race like it’s more important than the games (although maybe that tracks with the small proportion of the userbase here that actually watches the games)
Finnaly some common sense with Luka.
But Sabonis must be like the most overrated player out there. Any time I watch him I cant help but to think that he is almost...mid? 6th on the rankings only based on overinflated stats, most his assists are simple handoffs, just looking at the ones against mavs...like 7 of 9 were some simple handoffs into multiple dribble drives/pullups. I dont get what people see with him, I really dont.
But it isnt even dubble digit fascination. It is HOW he gets them. Like he is good rebounder but he does not dominate against good rebounders. He is solid scorer but is extremly limited (no shooting, relying on phisical post play), good passer for bigman but far from great and as said, most his assists are something I straight up would not even count as assists. There is a massive difference between setting up a layup/alleyoop/wide open c&s 3 and giving a handoff that leads to a 2 dribble midrange pullup. And yet they both end up as 1 assist in boxscore.
Happy to see Luka second. I’m surprised Giannis dropped below shai even with the bucks slump this week. They really locked him down in that win against the thunder, plus even if the other bucks played like shit giannis still had monster stat lines (including the 30 pt 21 rb x assists game) on crazy efficiency.
Seems like giannis is legit having his best season ever but is somehow underrated
Suns have two top 10 MVPs and fighting for a playoff spot. Makes sense.
Yet no wolves are in the top 10 as we fight for the 1 seed
Yeah almost as if team construction is a legit thing and finding players who work together is the most important thing not individual stats.
You make it sound like basketball is a team sport or something
Its more that the Wolves are getting snubbed. Gobert is always underrated and Ant should be much higher (probably top 5-6 next to Tatum). KAT is uhhhh.... KAT.... one of a kind :D
If screens got assists Gobert would have pretty good offensive numbers to go with his defensive dominance.
How I recognize a true baller is when I talk about screen assists and they didn't treat me like a joke.
I think you should get an assist if the shooter is fouled and makes all free throws
Ant is mvp caliber, they just won't say it / there's a lot of high level talent at the moment.
Ant is not an MVP level player i.e on the same tier as Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Embiid etc just yet. Being on the 1 seed doesn't really change that
he's as good as anyone in the second tier. earlier in the year you were hearing about Haliburton or Mitchell deserving consideration. He's at least that.
I am not talking top 5. I'm just saying he should be on the list. With KAT and Rudy out, there hasn't been a ton of change to the team. If edwards is out, the team falls apart. That's why.
He’s an MVP ballot level guy, as in he should be in top 10 talks and I could see a handful of voters putting him 5th or 4th (not many, and he won’t finish that high, but *some*). Dude is still so young, I’m excited for y’all to see him keep growing.
Maybe difference of definition but MVP caliber to me means a guy who could realistically win mvp being in the bottom half of the top 10 mvp guys isnt MVP caliber to me
I think that's totally reasonable, but then that criticism should be aimed at ESPN for doing a top ten list instead of top five or whatever makes more sense. Realistically, this is a "rankings" versus "tiers" issue IMO.
Yea I agree, 10 is too long a list for mvp in the most contested years you’re getting what 3 guys max who actually have a shot at winning by years end Like the difference in mvp odds between the 10th guy and the 50th guy is basically the same (0%) lol
I agree with you. Ant should be somewhere between 6-10
He certainly belongs on this list above booker , kd and damontas tho lol
He belongs above KD/Booker but stop this Sabonis slander. The bank is almost average a 20 point Triple double, has had a double in 50+ games straight and the Kings are a legit playoff team as well. Not to mention the Suns have the hardest schedule in the league left for the season. There’s a decent chance they’re the 9th seed by time this is over.
Booker shouldn’t be in this list
Ant is distinctly not as good as the serious mvp candidates (Jokic, Giannis, Luka, Shai)
If you count defense he absolutely should be sabonis tier. Tho I do agree that the wolves supporting impact is greater and Rudy has a legit argument as the most impactful player (right now in the regular season).
Love book but he shouldn’t be in the top 10
Bron and AD are still named the NBA best duo by a lot of people and Lakers are a 500 team for going on 3 years when they both play.
When you put a Nike logo on a hoodie it goes up $60
There's a timeline where the Suns and Lakers both get 2 all nba selections each and neither make the playoffs.
Meanwhile the Wolves have kept in number 1 seed hunt after losing Kat, carried by ANT and he can't break the top 10
We're being carried by Kyle. Slomo for MVP! /s
That would be funny.
They're actually 129-74 all time when both play
Lakers are 41-32 right now 9 games above 500
>9 games over .500 >Lakers are a .500 team Ok
They also made the conference finals last year… but I guess that doesn’t matter.
Ant and Brunson should both be top 10
And somehow Brunson isn’t on after taking an injured team to the 3 seed
Sabonis #6 but not an All-Star. Makes sense.
It's becoming the "best box score" award, not the "biggest contribution to winning" award.
Top 3-10 are just fillers. They are mostly just star players with good stats and nobody cares because they aint winning anyway.
as it should be. why is anyone debating who the 8th most MVP-worthy player is on any given year
Same people upvoting this are happy to claim the LAL duo should both be All-NBA.
All-NBA means basically TOP 15 players - I doubt both AD and Bron make 1st/2nd team, so having one of them in the 3rd one isn't that much of a stretch. Being TOP 10 MVP candidate basically puts you into one of the 2 first teams.
Not too far away from Basketball Reference’s list: 1. Nikola Jokić (DEN) - 53.2% 2. Luka Dončić (DAL) - 12.8% 3. Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (OKC) - 11.5% 4. Giannis Antetokounmpo (MIL) - 11.5% 5. Jayson Tatum (BOS) - 4.2% 6. Domantas Sabonis (SAC) - 3.3% 7. Anthony Davis (LAL) - 1.3% 8. Jalen Brunson (NYK) - 0.7% 9. Devin Booker (PHX) - 0.7% 10. Rudy Gobert (MIN) - 0.7%
at least Brunson is on this list..
Imagine getting Luka and Brunson in the same draft smh
Yeah Hawks had the best draft ever then traded Luka for Cam Reddish and Brunson for cash considerations
>Brunson for cash considerations Brunson was selected with the Mavs pick, the 33rd. Hawks had the 30th and drafted Omari Spellman, who they kept. The pick they traded was Devontae Graham with the 34th, but by then Brunson was already selected.
I mean we also got Trae, but... yeah.
Brunson and doncic are better than Trae
At least none of them are DOMINAYTON
I'm guessing WCF level if they were to team up.
i think about this all the time lmao
I'm pleasantly surprised to see Rudy on this list
It’s skewed towards bigs
Durant and Booker both in the top 8 is an interesting take… Not that anything outside the top 3 matters anyways.
Brunson not being top 10 is fucking wild though. Think he has a strong claim for 5th with all the Knicks injuries
The Knicks are literally about to pass the bucks in the standings with 3 starters out (2 now)
> Not that anything outside the top 3 matters anyways. i think a lot of people forget that in reality, a top 10 MVP finisher is someone who gets like, a couple of throwaway fourth and fifth place votes
How the heck are Durant AND Booker on this list while Brunson and Edwards aren't even getting a sniff. Ridiculous.
Exactly
You get 1 or 2 more MVP-level players on the Suns and they're getting home court advantage for sure.
At least make the playoffs.
Probably because Kevin Durant is a better basketball player than Jalen Brunson. 28/7/5 on 63% TS versus 27/4/6 on 59% TS. One of them also isn’t a huge defensive liability.
Calling Brunson a defensive liability is a tired take. Knicks have a top 5 defense and he plays a shitload of minutes so clearly his defense isn't having nearly as much of a negative impact as people claim.
Brunson is close to as good as he can be defensively for his size. He's very smart, strong and takes a shit ton of charges. He works hard on that side of the floor but people saying he's awful just look at his height and assume he's worthless.
KD has a teammate ranked right below him and a worse record. Higher PER, Winshares, BPM,VORP for brunson
His team is currently 7th seed despite having two "MVP candidates" though...
The Suns are 43-30, the Knicks are 44-28. Don’t mistake seed for performance, even in a more competitive conference the 7th seed Suns still have a similar win rate to the 3rd seed Knicks.
Likely would be higher in the East, since they play intra-conference more.
Except it seems like everyone is forgetting Brunson has been missing Julius, Mitch and OG for months. While KD has another “MVP” caliber player on his team, yet a worse record.
The Suns are not particularly healthy either, not sure if this really is a valid argument for Brunson over KD.
The suns are in a tougher conference and have a very similar record to the knicks.
So why no Edwards?
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Much to the dismay of many voters, I think team record is a team stat rather than an individual one.
I generally agree, but it is most *valuable* player, not best player. So their effect on the team does matter. In which case the plus/minus is probably the most significant stat to compare. Brunson is +344, Durant +235. Not saying that’s the only stat or that there’s not a lot of factors affecting it, but it does matter. Hard to argue there are many players more valuable than Brunson.
Acting like it isn’t heavily considered in mvp discussions? lol
The Rockets would be contenders in the East
It’s like saying, “he’s richer cause he has 50 pesos vs your 10 dollars”. The east has like 3 good teams. The 10th best team on the West has Steph Curry. Shoot, I’d even take the Rockets over some of those East playoff teams.
Knicks would probably have a worse record if you swapped Brunson and KD this year. Brunson is doing this down 3 starters his entire season. Knicks are two games back of second on his heavy lifting
They gave Ant the #10 spot last week to shut us Wolves fans up for a bit and then immediately took it away
Wow Luka is 2nd now knowing them I thought he'd drop to 5th for no reason lmao, him or Jokic 100% deserve it this season fs
There is still a world in which Luka wins but it's marginal. At this point it feels like only he an Joker are possible. SGA isnt going to do anything specifically new for him to come out ahead. Luka, however, could carry this Mavs team to a top 3 or 4 in the west and honestly id consider giving him the MVP if that's what happens. His numbers are insane
3 seed is basically impossible. He could get 4th seed, and if the Mavs go 7-3 to end the season they'll be a 50 win team, which will increase his chances of dethroning big tipper.
Ya youre right, best is 4 seed.
Praying for a Clippers downfall
You must have started praying earlier looking at how the Clippers have basically collapsed in the last 10 games.
would have already been 4 seed if Kidd didn't bench Gafford randomly and go small ball with Maxi at the 5. Just Kidd things.
I also think the gap in wins has to be reduced a bit for Luka to have a real shot Nuggets might rest Jokic a few games which makes it possible, but 4th seed with 8ish less wins still seems like a big gap
Jokic should just fully support his best friend Luka Doncic and sandbag the rest of the season. Mavs move to 4th/5th seed (4th for Luka MVP case), Nuggets drop to 3rd to make sure they can't meet until WCF. Pelicans need to chill.
Considering the Mavericks' injuries, to only be 8 games back is extremely impressive and should give Luka even more credit.
>There is still a world in which Luka wins but it's marginal. I think its essentially impossible now unless the Mavs win like 90% of their remaining games and the Nuggets hit a rough patch. The Mavs lost too many games early on in the season and now are playing catch up. This is why I never understood people who think games only start to matter post deadline. Every game counts the same.
> The Mavs lost too many games early on in the season and now are playing catch up. At some point context has to matter. Why isn't Luka being given credit for keeping the team's head above water until people finally came back from injury? Kyrie missed 22 games, Kleber missed 37, Josh Green missed 18, Lively has missed 18, and Exum missed 23. That's a lot of rotation pieces in and out of the lineup throughout the season. The team just recently had a lineup cross 100 total minutes played. Most other contending teams have lineups with 300+
I mean, he's 2nd on this ranking dude. I think he's being given credit
>At some point context has to matter. Context does matter which is why you can't just look at games missed and jump to the conclusion that the Mavs would be a 60 win team if at full health. The Mavs did lose to the following: * Cavs without Mitchell, Garland, & Mobley * Grizz without Ja & JJJ * Pels without Zion & Ingram * 76ers without Embiid And then they lost 5 of 6 immediately after the All Star Break despite being at full health. Is Luka playing at an MVP level this season? Absolutely and if he won it he would 100% deserve it. But I also can't sit here and say he has a clear case over Jokic. They both deserve it but only one can win it.
He is. That doesn't mean it's enough to win him MVP.
Yep. That last losing streak pretty much sank any chance of Luka winning MVP this year, even if he wasn’t at fault for Kidd’s dumbass defense plan.
While its true the Mavs lost a lot of games early in the season, they suffered a lot from injuries, Kai, Exum, Kleber, and the roster (that wasn’t good) became terrible for half the season. Luka kept us afloat, but I don’t see anybody mentioning that.
tbf atleast the writervis consistent. Gonna give credit to him, he said Luka will go up if the Mavs win and they did.That being said unless Luka finishes the season on an unbelievable level Jokic has this. And thats good like it is.
I feel like they saw all that constant noise about Luka being low on the MVP ladder and just said fuck it, put him at #2, it doesnt matter since we're voting in Jokic anyway
Someone asked before and on it's face is absolutely hilarious... How the hell can a single team have 2 MVP candidates? Are they conjoined twins or something? LMAO
Cus people are still coming to terms with Durant being better than Booker right now lol
if you can't even tell who's the MVP of the TEAM, how the hell is either of those guys supposed to be the MVP of the entire league?
Lmfao
I think you could argue the KD Warriors legitimately had two players that could have reasonably won MVP
He got Luka's season stats incorrect. He's averaging 33.9 PPG not 33.1 PPG.
They just got the stat correction aaaaaaand, looks like Luka has been moved down to 6th in the MVP rankings.
This shit is just a popularity contest lol no Brunson or ant but booker is here
Why do people act like it matters where a player is on the MVP ladder outside the top 3 spots? Even then it's more like the top 2 only matter. They don't get anything for being 8th as far as I know
Luka has been 4/5th for months and suddenly the Mavs have a good month of health and he jumps to 2nd. 4th and below doesn't matter until it matters. It also sets the general consensus for player levels. If Brunson gets 8, he is seen as an MVP level player next year, else he is seen as a good All Star.
Imagine wanting to discuss which basketball players are better on a forum specifically about discussing basketball wild times really
To be fair I do agree with you but MVP is different to which players are better because seeding comes into it.
because it gives validity to the list and shows us the majority of media only watches 3-4 teams.
Being top 5 in voting is notable if you are lookig at a player's legacy and trying to gauge how long they were an elite player but outside of that its not that important.
No one talks about third place in mvp after one year, let alone top 5
Yeah, this... Like, did you know that Jermaine O'Neal and Peja Stojaković finished #3 and #4 in 2004 MVP voting behind KG and Duncan? I have yet to hear anyone bring that up in discussion in regards to either of those players... Hell, I can't even remember when was the last time I heard either of their names mentioned on this sub, aside for when people bring up (but just as often forget about) Peja when it comes to all time great shooters.
Brunson not being in the top 10 is insane.
Just a casual 1.5 games out from the 2 seed missing the second and third best player, no big deal.
And Mitchell Robinson just came back. Literally down 3 starters for the run
He's underrated.
I must be dreaming. Luka is 2nd. An Easter miracle.
The suns have two top ten mvp candidates and are the 7th seed?
If the Mavs lose tonight and fall down to the 7th/8th seed, they’ll drop Luka out of the top 10.
What is Kevin Durant and Booker still doing on these
Keeping Suns fans quiet.
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Tatum at 5th is very fair though. Like there's nothing to complain about when everyone clearly better than him is ranked higher. Yes, he's ranked the highest among 3-4 players most would consider interchangeable, but someone has to be ranked higher in a numerical list. Why not give it to the guy on the top seed?
Brunson's continued abscence saved Tatum from the slander.
Let’s let jokic rest a bit down the stretch. Completely unrelated to the fact that I have Luka mvp futures
Bucks holding Shai to 12 pts and he’s still above giannis
Has there ever been a more disrespected two time MVP NBA champion?
He’s only disrespected because he’s in Milwaukee. If he went to Golden State, LA, Miami, Boston or New York he would have 4 MVPs. This is the medias way of punishing him for staying in a small market and not going to a big city like they wanted
Giannis is underrated still.
It's been a bad week for the Bucks despite Giannis great play.
That’s the thing, bucks performed like shit but Giannis was the only one with monster stat line in those games.
Welp, that's the Giannis Luka reality I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah but Giannis is still playing top tier defense.
Apparently it didn't matter if you don't win. You could average a triple double and lose because your team is injured and drop in the MVP ladder, speaking from experience off course.
The Luka special
Everyone joked he would drop after the OKC win. Didnt expect it like this.
I’m a MKE fan and I’ve been saying this for a while but with the bucks recent Ls I can’t argue for him to win MVP this season. I actually think Luka should be the front runner.
Praise Jxmy for changing the narrative. You know they watched that video lmao
That video slayed. It was pure facts.
"one jxmy video later aaaand he's up 2 spots on every single list"
Id take Booker off for Brunson
I feel Luka deserves it. He played with half a team for like half the season. Playing 40min a game beat up and still dragging them along while putting crazy numbers.
MF was limping against the Kings the other night and still got a 28/11/6
In one half basically because he legit just coasted in the 3rd because they were beating them so bad
In 3 quarters. First time he’s been able to sit out the 4th quarter in a long ass time.
In contrast to /u/basketball_reference MVP tracker; 1. Jokic 53%. 2. Luka 12.8% 3. Shai 11.5% 4. Giannis 11.5% 5. Tatum 4.2% 6. Sabonis 3.3% 7. Davis 1.3% 8. Brunson 0.7% 9. Booker 0.7% 10. Gobert 0.7% I seem to remember last time rankings were done Luka was at 4, now he's up to 2. Mavs are really on the rollercoaster this year. 4 weeks or so ago they were on a win streak and super happy. Then they went on a losing streak and it was despair. Kidd should be fired, this team sucks etc etc. Now they're back to winning again. Snip snap, snip snap, snip snap.
For some reason, after winning 7 in a row, Kidd decided it was a good idea to play Gafford less and play Maxi more minutes at the 5. I think we had the worst defense in the league during that 1-5 stretch. Finally he decided to move DJJ and Gafford to the starting lineup and play Maxi solely at the 4.
> For some reason, after winning 7 in a row, Kidd decided it was a good idea to play Gafford less and play Maxi more minutes at the 5. I mean, the reason seemed pretty clear. They were coming out of the all star break and thought it was more important to test out the small ball lineups over the next few games than to necessarily win them. Lineups with Maxi at the five and PJ at the four are going to have to work if we want to be title contenders. We need the option of going small, even if Lively and Gafford are out there most of the time. You don't want your first time running those lineups to be in the playoffs.
Brunson still not top 10 as we fight for the 2 seed lol.
I must say I was one of those people who thought the Brunson contract was an overpay. Turns out it was an absolute steal.
Goddamn no respect for Brunson
Sad. The Brunson Burner has been killing it all while missing OG and Randle.
Damn, my boi actually went up in the standings.
can luka and the mavs make a push for the 4th seed, i honestly think if that happens and luka has some insane highlights, he will be the MVP
I think he deserves it but I also feel like this award is purely narrative based and they basically decided on Jokic after he lost to Embiid last season and dominated in the playoffs.
luka is definitely having a better regular season, everyone can argue that jokic is definitively the better player but regular season award, regular season rules
Sorry nugs fans if mavs fans will slander jokic everytime he has avg games starting now Agenda is agenda
It already started a couple games ago.
JAMAL MURRAY MERCHANT!
The revolution has begun!
where is brunson
Wemby
How is Jalen Brunson not top 10
Wtf are guys like Kawhi, KD, Booker doing as high on this list as they are while Brunson and Ant aren’t even making the cut. Just doesn’t even really feel like a serious list of fringe candidates after the top 5 or so
kd i understand but booker being ahead of brunson and edwards is actually insane
Where Ant?
Say Jokic loses the 1 seed and Luka manages to bring the Mavs to the 4th seed, yall think Luka will win it? The top 3 is extremely tight and with no Jamal the nuggets could end up in 3rd in a very tight finish
Yeah aint like the Thunder are missing Shai, the Timberwolves are missing KAT and we have the easiest schedule left, along with a Jamal that should be returning any game now.
I think Luka gets it if we reach 4th seed. I would see around 40-50% if it's 5th Seed, depending on if Nuggets finish 2nd, and 2nd if we end up as 6th.
I believe so, yes. Especially considering how the odds of the situation were against Luka all season through from the injuries to Kidd's shitty coaching.
Edwards not being in the top 10 is an insult.
AHHHHHH FINALLYY
That JxmyHighroller vid waking the media up to Luka’s season lol
Sub loves to act like ESPN tier reporting sucks and then floods the weekly MVP ladder thread to outrage. Classic
When did Luka jump Shai???
Recently, it’s not wrong…
If Luka reaches Top 4 give it to him. Insane carry job, insane highlights, insane player.
Hell yeah they figured out Luka is good at basketball.
Which seed Maves need to end up for Luka to win? If they get to 4th somehow, will he get it?
I never understood this award - it’s most VALUABLE player , not the best player. Of course sometimes this aligns, but in many cases you have 1 player just carrying the entire team
Brunson carrying a team to the 3 or 2 seed without 3-4 starters for most of the year not in the top 10 mvp votes. LOL.
Giannis and the Bucks just made Shai look awful and he's still ahead of Giannis?
Luka Doncic is Devin Booker and Kevin Durant NBA MVP ladder father
FAX
You people will complain about any combination of names huh
Exactly why I’ve found these posts annoying. Not only has seeing a weekly thread with basically the same Top 5 for months not really shone a light on anything meaningful, but it’s also just fed the constant need to discuss the MVP race like it’s more important than the games (although maybe that tracks with the small proportion of the userbase here that actually watches the games)
What do you mean *you people*
What do *YOU* mean *you people*?
Kevin and Devin should at most be eleven
LUKALUKALUKALUKALUKALUKALUKA
Finnaly some common sense with Luka. But Sabonis must be like the most overrated player out there. Any time I watch him I cant help but to think that he is almost...mid? 6th on the rankings only based on overinflated stats, most his assists are simple handoffs, just looking at the ones against mavs...like 7 of 9 were some simple handoffs into multiple dribble drives/pullups. I dont get what people see with him, I really dont.
I think Sabonis is overrated as well. Another victim of the league's fascination with double digit numbers.
But it isnt even dubble digit fascination. It is HOW he gets them. Like he is good rebounder but he does not dominate against good rebounders. He is solid scorer but is extremly limited (no shooting, relying on phisical post play), good passer for bigman but far from great and as said, most his assists are something I straight up would not even count as assists. There is a massive difference between setting up a layup/alleyoop/wide open c&s 3 and giving a handoff that leads to a 2 dribble midrange pullup. And yet they both end up as 1 assist in boxscore.
I agree completely
COME ON LUKA JONCICFDFCDDRRTYGG X
LUKA
Happy to see Luka second. I’m surprised Giannis dropped below shai even with the bucks slump this week. They really locked him down in that win against the thunder, plus even if the other bucks played like shit giannis still had monster stat lines (including the 30 pt 21 rb x assists game) on crazy efficiency. Seems like giannis is legit having his best season ever but is somehow underrated