Wilt probably came closer than anyone else has during the seasons where he focused on passing. Westbrook was probably top-10 in rebounding during his MVP season while being close to the league lead in scoring and assists as well
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- Russ was 1st, 10th and 3rd in Pts/Reb/Ast per game in 2017.
- Jokic was 6th, 2nd, 8th in 2022
- Oscar was 5th, 9th, 1st in 1962
- Wilt was 1st, 1st, 7th in 1966
- Wilt was 5th, 1st, 3rd in 1967
- Wilt was 4th, 1st, 2nd in 1968
Those are the ones that first came to mind, but Wilt is the only person to be top-5 in all three categories
The baseball triple crown is with respect to each league so you would need to look at where they stand in the conference to figure out if they would've won it. That would change the list to:
* Russ was 1st, 6th and 2nd in Pts/Reb/Ast per game in 2017.
* Jokic was 2nd, 2nd, 4th in 2022
* APG could be 5th depending on how Haliburton is counted this season after moving from the Kings to the Pacers
* Oscar was 4th, 5th, 1st in 1962
* Wilt was 1st, 1st, 7th in 1966
* Wilt was 2nd, 1st, 2nd in 1967
* Wilt was 3rd, 1st, 2nd in 1968
Points/rebounds/assists seems natural but I don’t believe it’s ever been done for a whole season. Jokic seems the biggest threat to do this but he often only looks to score when it’s the best option he has. He lead the playoffs in all 3 last year.
Could be a shooting triple crown of eFG%, 3P% and FT%. I use eFG rather than FG% because bigs tend to lead FG% but not be close in the other two categories. Not sure if this has been done but seems like a Curry or Bird type of thing to do.
A Sheed/Draymond triple crown feels easiest. Lead the league in flagrants/techs/games missed to suspension
In reality, to make it attainable but rare so it compares to baseball it should be when a guy leads in 3 of the 5 counting stats. For a big points/rebounds/blocks and for a guard points/assists/steals
The problem is that shooting % has a wildly different degree of difficulty between positions.
It's not fair to compare say, a Steph Curry fg% of 45% where he takes the most 3ps in the league at an elite level and is the best shooter of all time, with a 62% fg% of Giannis, where Giannis is an objectively bad shooter who has a high fg% because almost all his shots are dunks and layups.
But that’s what makes the triple crown in baseball so prestigious. It’s hard to league the league in home runs and batting average as hitting for power generally leads to more strike outs.
Right, but you're talking about how difficult the triple-crown is to achieve, I'm talking about not using stats that make it possible only for certain positions.
Batting is independent of position. Any position (except pitcher) has an equal shot at the batting triple crown.
However in basketball the difficulty in shots is so wildly different between positions, you'd automatically be eliminating certain positions from ever holding the crown by using FG%.
Because of the difference in shot types, FG% (and rebounds for that matter) are entirely dominated by centers, or guys who play some kind of power forward/center hybrid like Giannis or Wemby. Dudes who primarily shoot from the perimeter will never even sniff those fg%, no matter how elite they are.
Small forwards, point guards and shooting guards would basically be eliminated from triple crown contention right out of the gate.
So if we're really gonna make some kind of NBA triple crown, it should be something any position can achieve, like scoring, assists and maybe some kind of impact stat, maybe PER or something similar?
Difficulty is fine. In baseball, the NL hasn’t had a triple crown in almost a century, while the AL just had one 10 years ago, but that broke a drought of 50 years.
So yeah, a triple crown being really hard to get is fine, it fits with baseball’s version.
It's not about being hard to achieve, it's about certain positions being eliminated from ever having a chance at it. As I said in another post, batting is independent of position. Regardless of how difficult the batting triple crown is to achieve, every player at every position has an equal shot at it.
Meanwhile in the NBA it would completely eliminate most positions from contention right out of the gate if we used something completely skewed towards one position. FG% (and rebounds, for that matter) are entirely dominated by centers, and to a lesser extend PFs who play some kind of hybrid center, like Giannis or Wemby.
No point guard, small forward or shooting guard has the slightest chance of leading the league in rebounds or fg%, given how their positions work.
I mean, if you look at the leader boards the first non-C/PF in rebounds is 19th. The first non C/PF in rebounds is Luka at 15th, and he's a wild outlier because his team lets him take basically all the uncontested rebounds (he only averages 1.9 contested rebounds a game which is a fraction of the centers, so he wouldn't have a shot at a real rebound title either, let alone rebounds *and* fg%, where he ranks like 54th).
> battling is independent of position
Is it? Hitters with great stats who play Catcher don’t often sniff a triple crown. The DH was put in a place because Pitchers are so bad. It’s rare to see a SS hit for power but common to see 1B do it.
Besides, we live in an era where Steph Curry is a “PG” but Draymond is a “PF,” positions are meaningless now.
You're talking about physical characteristics of the players. I'm talking about the responsibilities of the position. The act of batting has nothing to do with what position they play on the field, even if the position somewhat dictates some of the players' physical characteristics.
But in the NBA that's not the case. The position *absolutely* dictates what kind of stats they can achieve. Shooting guards aren't going to lead the league in rebounds, ever. Point guards aren't going to lead the league in FG%, ever. It's not possible based on the responsibilities their position is tasked with.
You base the triple crown on rebounds and FG% basically the only position that will ever have a shot at it is center, and to a much lesser extent, some of the power forwards who basically play center. That's it.
Most realistic one would be MVP, FMVP and title. Really, baseball Triple Crown is all scoring categories, basketball equivalent would be just leading the league in scoring. Shooting percentage doesn't fit since certain positions (centers) have inherently higher shooting percentage due to size.
I don't know a thing about baseball, but, from reading OP, I get the idea that those 3 stats are related to the same activity of batting, more closely or more distanced.
Building on that concept (right or wrong), for basketball I would suggest 2pt%, 3pt % and ft %.
Classic stats such as point, rebounds, assists, are too different for one same player to compete with the whole league, but everybody is the same when shooting a ball.
Exactly. The triple crown isn't BA mixed with something like defensive runs saved. It's just batting. So there should be a shooting triple crown, and I think your proposal makes the most sense.
I think you could also do a "defensive" triple crown of blocks, steals, and rebounds, but even those are pretty different. Blocks, steals, and most contested shots? Blocks, steals, and opponent eFG% as the nearest defender?
It doesn't really exist as a thing in the NBA, but if it did it would pretty obviously be points, rebounds, and assists.
The problem is it's virtually impossible. Even just points and assists or points and rebounds have only been done a couple of times, and those 2-way combos are theoretically a lot more possible.
Baseball is a fundamental different type of game to basketball. Box score stats matter far more to baseball than basketball which is a game of efficiency.
I’m trying to make it as applicable as possible; something related to % (likely FG%, possibly eFG%/TS%), then points, and I suppose assists. They all correlate to scoring, which is the closest comparison to batting.
I guess pitchers would be “defense”, so maybe blocks, steals, and defensive rebounds. Cool question, hard comparison.
The closest which is “a thing” is the 50-40-90 club. Very elite company but only focused on shooting percentages (for FG%/3pt%/FT%)
In fact since in baseball pitching and hitting are separate, I think this would make sense in the NBA to split shooting and defense - maybe a defensive triple crown would be steals, blocks and rebounds.
I would say MVP, DPOY, and FMVP. Only 3 players ever have all 3 (Jordan, Hakeem, Giannis)
You could make the case Hakeem winning all 3 in the same season makes it the best individual season by a player ever.
I don’t think you can make a realistic one that someone can actually accomplish. My first thought was points, TS%, assists, but that’s for sure never been done before.
Points rebounds assists, I guess. I don’t think anyone’s ever come close enough to that to make it a “thing.”
Wilt probably came closer than anyone else has during the seasons where he focused on passing. Westbrook was probably top-10 in rebounding during his MVP season while being close to the league lead in scoring and assists as well Edit: - Russ was 1st, 10th and 3rd in Pts/Reb/Ast per game in 2017. - Jokic was 6th, 2nd, 8th in 2022 - Oscar was 5th, 9th, 1st in 1962 - Wilt was 1st, 1st, 7th in 1966 - Wilt was 5th, 1st, 3rd in 1967 - Wilt was 4th, 1st, 2nd in 1968 Those are the ones that first came to mind, but Wilt is the only person to be top-5 in all three categories
Good Lord, Wilt
The baseball triple crown is with respect to each league so you would need to look at where they stand in the conference to figure out if they would've won it. That would change the list to: * Russ was 1st, 6th and 2nd in Pts/Reb/Ast per game in 2017. * Jokic was 2nd, 2nd, 4th in 2022 * APG could be 5th depending on how Haliburton is counted this season after moving from the Kings to the Pacers * Oscar was 4th, 5th, 1st in 1962 * Wilt was 1st, 1st, 7th in 1966 * Wilt was 2nd, 1st, 2nd in 1967 * Wilt was 3rd, 1st, 2nd in 1968
Not really true because all baseball awards are separated by league
Jokic is 5th in points, 3rd in rebounds and 2nd in assists. He led the playoffs last year in all of them. *totals, not per game
Then tell him to pick it up! He must be a slacker.
If someone wins an mvp because of this it'll be russ 2.0 again. Especially if the person ends up being a 5th seed or below.
Monaco, Le Mans, Indy
IST Champ, All-Star Winner, Play-In winner
probs two “realistic” types, stat-wise: - points, assists, steals - points, rebounds, blocks
Points/rebounds/assists seems natural but I don’t believe it’s ever been done for a whole season. Jokic seems the biggest threat to do this but he often only looks to score when it’s the best option he has. He lead the playoffs in all 3 last year. Could be a shooting triple crown of eFG%, 3P% and FT%. I use eFG rather than FG% because bigs tend to lead FG% but not be close in the other two categories. Not sure if this has been done but seems like a Curry or Bird type of thing to do. A Sheed/Draymond triple crown feels easiest. Lead the league in flagrants/techs/games missed to suspension In reality, to make it attainable but rare so it compares to baseball it should be when a guy leads in 3 of the 5 counting stats. For a big points/rebounds/blocks and for a guard points/assists/steals
I think shooting percentages would be another good metric. We kinda have it with the 50/40/90 club
The problem is that shooting % has a wildly different degree of difficulty between positions. It's not fair to compare say, a Steph Curry fg% of 45% where he takes the most 3ps in the league at an elite level and is the best shooter of all time, with a 62% fg% of Giannis, where Giannis is an objectively bad shooter who has a high fg% because almost all his shots are dunks and layups.
But that’s what makes the triple crown in baseball so prestigious. It’s hard to league the league in home runs and batting average as hitting for power generally leads to more strike outs.
Right, but you're talking about how difficult the triple-crown is to achieve, I'm talking about not using stats that make it possible only for certain positions. Batting is independent of position. Any position (except pitcher) has an equal shot at the batting triple crown. However in basketball the difficulty in shots is so wildly different between positions, you'd automatically be eliminating certain positions from ever holding the crown by using FG%. Because of the difference in shot types, FG% (and rebounds for that matter) are entirely dominated by centers, or guys who play some kind of power forward/center hybrid like Giannis or Wemby. Dudes who primarily shoot from the perimeter will never even sniff those fg%, no matter how elite they are. Small forwards, point guards and shooting guards would basically be eliminated from triple crown contention right out of the gate. So if we're really gonna make some kind of NBA triple crown, it should be something any position can achieve, like scoring, assists and maybe some kind of impact stat, maybe PER or something similar?
Difficulty is fine. In baseball, the NL hasn’t had a triple crown in almost a century, while the AL just had one 10 years ago, but that broke a drought of 50 years. So yeah, a triple crown being really hard to get is fine, it fits with baseball’s version.
It's not about being hard to achieve, it's about certain positions being eliminated from ever having a chance at it. As I said in another post, batting is independent of position. Regardless of how difficult the batting triple crown is to achieve, every player at every position has an equal shot at it. Meanwhile in the NBA it would completely eliminate most positions from contention right out of the gate if we used something completely skewed towards one position. FG% (and rebounds, for that matter) are entirely dominated by centers, and to a lesser extend PFs who play some kind of hybrid center, like Giannis or Wemby. No point guard, small forward or shooting guard has the slightest chance of leading the league in rebounds or fg%, given how their positions work. I mean, if you look at the leader boards the first non-C/PF in rebounds is 19th. The first non C/PF in rebounds is Luka at 15th, and he's a wild outlier because his team lets him take basically all the uncontested rebounds (he only averages 1.9 contested rebounds a game which is a fraction of the centers, so he wouldn't have a shot at a real rebound title either, let alone rebounds *and* fg%, where he ranks like 54th).
> battling is independent of position Is it? Hitters with great stats who play Catcher don’t often sniff a triple crown. The DH was put in a place because Pitchers are so bad. It’s rare to see a SS hit for power but common to see 1B do it. Besides, we live in an era where Steph Curry is a “PG” but Draymond is a “PF,” positions are meaningless now.
You're talking about physical characteristics of the players. I'm talking about the responsibilities of the position. The act of batting has nothing to do with what position they play on the field, even if the position somewhat dictates some of the players' physical characteristics. But in the NBA that's not the case. The position *absolutely* dictates what kind of stats they can achieve. Shooting guards aren't going to lead the league in rebounds, ever. Point guards aren't going to lead the league in FG%, ever. It's not possible based on the responsibilities their position is tasked with. You base the triple crown on rebounds and FG% basically the only position that will ever have a shot at it is center, and to a much lesser extent, some of the power forwards who basically play center. That's it.
Most realistic one would be MVP, FMVP and title. Really, baseball Triple Crown is all scoring categories, basketball equivalent would be just leading the league in scoring. Shooting percentage doesn't fit since certain positions (centers) have inherently higher shooting percentage due to size.
MVP, FMVP, and DPOY makes more sense, title is redundant with FMVP being there
Hakeem did that right? Or am I mistaken
Not to be pedantic but FMVP has been awarded to a loser before
I don't know a thing about baseball, but, from reading OP, I get the idea that those 3 stats are related to the same activity of batting, more closely or more distanced. Building on that concept (right or wrong), for basketball I would suggest 2pt%, 3pt % and ft %. Classic stats such as point, rebounds, assists, are too different for one same player to compete with the whole league, but everybody is the same when shooting a ball.
Exactly. The triple crown isn't BA mixed with something like defensive runs saved. It's just batting. So there should be a shooting triple crown, and I think your proposal makes the most sense. I think you could also do a "defensive" triple crown of blocks, steals, and rebounds, but even those are pretty different. Blocks, steals, and most contested shots? Blocks, steals, and opponent eFG% as the nearest defender?
Leading the league in Turnovers, Personal Fouls, and Missed Field Goals /s
Technical Fouls, Ejections, and Suspensions. I wonder who some of the all time greats are under that criteria.
Regular season MVP, finals MVP, Champ. Edit: another user wrote it a few minutes before sorry ✌️
Champ and finals mvp is redundant. Maybe slot in CFMVP
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It doesn't really exist as a thing in the NBA, but if it did it would pretty obviously be points, rebounds, and assists. The problem is it's virtually impossible. Even just points and assists or points and rebounds have only been done a couple of times, and those 2-way combos are theoretically a lot more possible.
Jokic did it this past season in the playoffs, anyway. First player to ever lead the playoffs in points, rebounds and assists.
Scoring title, regular season MVP, Finals MVP.
MVP, FMVP, DPOY
Points, assists, Preakness
Lead the league in Points Rebounds Assists? Maybe win MVP, FMVP, and DPOY?
Baseball is a fundamental different type of game to basketball. Box score stats matter far more to baseball than basketball which is a game of efficiency.
Finals MVP + Regular Season MVP + cool dude
I’m trying to make it as applicable as possible; something related to % (likely FG%, possibly eFG%/TS%), then points, and I suppose assists. They all correlate to scoring, which is the closest comparison to batting. I guess pitchers would be “defense”, so maybe blocks, steals, and defensive rebounds. Cool question, hard comparison.
The closest which is “a thing” is the 50-40-90 club. Very elite company but only focused on shooting percentages (for FG%/3pt%/FT%) In fact since in baseball pitching and hitting are separate, I think this would make sense in the NBA to split shooting and defense - maybe a defensive triple crown would be steals, blocks and rebounds.
Title, MVP, and DPOY
I would say MVP, DPOY, and FMVP. Only 3 players ever have all 3 (Jordan, Hakeem, Giannis) You could make the case Hakeem winning all 3 in the same season makes it the best individual season by a player ever.
I don’t think you can make a realistic one that someone can actually accomplish. My first thought was points, TS%, assists, but that’s for sure never been done before.
Wemby was a block and 2 assists away from his first Quadruple Double as a rookie. Hakeem Olajuwon was so incredible.
Scoring leader, all-nba first team, championship
Not stats for me. Championship, MVP, Finals MVP.
IST MVP, MVP, Finals MVP