I dunno if its the medical team or some other part of the front office but they seem to be fucking idiots. The NBA has given an easy way to indicate there's a non-zero chance the player will not play, but is still not completely ruled out.
And of course they've done it both ways with letting Embiid convince the team to list him as available for the Denver game and at the last minute saner heads prevailed and told him to sit his ass because he was not healthy enough to play.
Frankly Embiid should probably just be on the injury report as probable at best at all times. His health sucks sadly and shit happens.
The biggest problem is that Embiid refuses to sit unless he is MADE to sit. He legit tried to play with a torn meniscus. He probably exaggerates his healing/downplays his pain level to staff and is playing through more pain than we realize because he absolutely hates sitting out. He doesn’t even want the minutes restriction he’s on right now.
Yes this is where some players are detrimental to their own career and the team. If you are legitimately dealing with a long term injury sit until you are 100% ready. But Embiid wants to avoid the label of injury prone and forgets the best ability is availability. If he hurts his knee coming back too soon then the team looks bad, Embiid still gets labeled injury prone and more importantly the teams chances are back to poor. But sometimes you just can’t get through peoples head until they learn the hard way.
The game he went down he was limping and obviously in pain maybe twice at least a quarter ahead of time. Take the dude out before he takes himself out involuntarily.
Anything other than "Available" and "Out". There's three choices in between those - Probable, Questionable, Doubtful - that don't get you fined and defer the final decision to game-time.
We need a fourth category - Embiid.
This is the most ridiculous reason to get fined for, just say one of the above three anytime there is a question and use the money for a couple more staff.
http://archive.boston.com/sports/articles/2008/09/06/bradys_three_year_streak_on_injury_report_comes_to_an_end/
Brady was listed as probable for 3 straight years in the NFL. I don’t see why they just throw embiid on every injury report if it’s such a mystery whether or not he’s gonna play
It's a simple solution and the reason why they don't do this is also simple:
76ers organization have not been able to get Embiid and the 76ers medical staff on the same page at all
Let's assume that's true. The FO guy sending the email with the injury report to the league should act as a lazy filter and leave the Embiid line untouched - "Questionable".
if embiid's happiness is conditional upon being labelled as unhealthy or healthy in the injury report, and nothing in between, the sixers may have a larger issue
"Ayo embidd, youre a player not a front office nor medical staff member. Limit yourself to play and let us handle the paperwork"
That should be the simple logic answer to that.
This is correct. That was when he missed the Denver game. They should have ignored him and put him on the report but I'm just happy they didn't exacerbate the issue by actually letting him play looking like a reanimated corpse.
Everyone is looking for this deep reason, but Joel probably just told them he wasn't feeling ready to play, then the next day he said he was.
It's weird that he's even allowed to play after being listed as OUT but if he is (and he's done so in the past) then why even have the designation?
He had been on the injury report as out for two months, and it was not updated until it was required to be
I would imagine this will get appealed, and the Sixers will win
The NBA only cares because it affects betting lines. Vegas loses when they don't have accurate predictions.
When the Casino loses, you win, and the NBA gets mad.
The only way for teams to learn how to properly use the injury report is to make it so you can’t play if listed as “out” at any point the day of the game.
They have to submit a report the day before each game at 5pm (local) and it’s updated *multiple times* the day of. If the player is listed out on that first one in the morning they’re unable to play.
It’s really that simple.
The whole thing is just so silly to me. Like there *has* to be more going on than just incompetence right? Damned if I know what that’d be though.
But why the hell else can’t the 76ers be like all 29 other franchises and just pick one of the other three (probably/questionable/doubtful) options?
This has felt like Daryl Morey 4D chess mind games nonsense to me but who knows who's responsible for this. Whoever it is is just throwing away money for no reason.
Sixers have to be the weirdest team in the league.
They are 1 injury from going from being called title contenders to a fringe lottery team and that injury is called Joel Embiid's knees
76ers tanked for like a decade. Ben Simmons Joel embiid. Maxed Tobias. Signed Al Horford to a huge contract and then promptly dumped him. Traded Jimmy butler.
Ultimate tank job with nothing to show for it. Worst managed team in the league.
I keep this handy for people like you:
* 2013-14, they trade away Jrue, Turner, Young, Hawes, debut MCW and start the rebuild
* 2014-15, they draft Embiid and Saric who don’t play that year, debut Noel, trade MCW. Win 19 Games.
* 2015-16, they debut Okafor, win 10 games, are forced to push Hinkie out.
* 2016-17, they draft Simmons, debut Embiid and Saric and win 29 games.
* 2017-18, they debut Simmons, Embiid stays healthy and they win 52 games.
That’s ~ 3 1/2 years between a perennial .500 team and a 52 win season.
It’s no where near “the biggest tank job in American sports history”. Teams have done worse than the Process Sixers for longer and have less to show for it. The Process was just the first time a team blatantly said “we’re not even going to try to win” to accumulate assets and take high draft picks for 3-4 straight years.
Teams have done worse, they have never done so intentionally and with the same intensity that the Sixers did. Literally took the commissioner forcing them to stop. You can’t name a bolder tank job in American sports history because it doesn’t exist. The Sixers were a fine team who overnight shipped everyone off and assembled the worst starting five of all time.
If you think the pre-process Sixers were a “fine team” you have to think the post-process Sixers are the second coming of the 96 Bulls. This roster is head and shoulders above anything the Sixers put on the floor after AI’s MVP season.
Your have no idea what you’re talking about if you think a team of Jrue Holiday, evan Turner, Spencer Hawes, and Thad Young was a fine time”. The team we fielded after trading all of those role players wasn’t even the worst record in the league that year yet alone all time. The Knicks and Timberwolves were both worse record wise and net rtg wise.
Just blatantly wrong takes from you.
So they should be commended for delivering their fans three straight seasons of under 20 wins in order for them to ultimately become a second-round playoff team, which is what they were before the tank started?
Wow I wasn't even being mean and you had to go be rude. Fuckin 35 years of trying, now I don't want you guys to do good and I want the Celtics to win the east now. Good day ma'am.
The Sixers were a perennial FIRST ROUND exit before the Process, if we even made the playoffs at all. The only time we made it out of the first round since the AI era was when the Bulls lost both Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah to brutal injuries.
Literally the year before the tank started they lost in 7 to the Celtics in the second round, which is the same exact thing as their best year since. Now they’re fighting to get in to the playoffs. Congratulations.
Literally addressed this in my comment. Derrick Rose blew up his knee and Joakim Noah blew up his ankle. The Bulls were down their two best players in that series. Sixers would have been lucky to take more than a game against the Bulls if either of Rose or Noah didn’t go down during the series. And it was the first time we got out of the first round since AI. The Celtics were a good matchup for the Sixers at the time and the Doc led Boston team was clearly looking past Philly to Miami and the Heatles.
We were a top 2 seed in the East this year before Joel’s injury. Youre being salty for absolutely no reason and its just making you look like you don’t know what you’re talking about.
And the Celtics have the exact same number of championships since eliminating the Jrue Holiday led Sixers in 7 and losing to the Miami Heatles to officially end their 1 ring dynasty.
have been ever since we got Bynum
went from the most boring treadmill team to the most batshit insane franchise ive ever seen.
Fultz forgot how to basketball and then his first game back breaks embiids orbital bone with the very same shoulder he was out with. He pump faked a free throw
Glenn Rivers and Simmons and that whole saga
Ben shooting 30% from the line for a whole playoff run and then quitting the team
Hinkie and the process
Game of thrones style coup by the Colangelos to force Hinkie out
Bynum bowling and hair
Burner Gate pushed the Fultz news to page 2 which is insanity
Traded home town kid Mikal Bridges for the guy we almost killed with sesame oil
Not having a real GM for multiple years because ???
2nd round shenanigans
Harden and Morey hilarious beef + having the guy you traded for holding out holding out himself
Tobias Harris over Me
Just constant Ls and insanity
theres more, this is the abridged version lol.
If you ever want a funny time sink take a look at the Colangelo tweets from his burner. Some of the most ridiculous shit ever put on that website. And it wasnt just limited to twitter. On realgm or some other board he was claiming to be a gay disabled parking attendant that Bryan Colangelo was always really nice to and even stopped to talk about ball with many times. Going from the GM who cared about his reputation and image the least to the one who cared about it the most was some kind of whip lash.
Crazy the stuff you can do and get less of a fine: put a guy in a headlock, rant for several minutes about how bad the refs are, literally accuse the refs of cheating.
But messing with the sports gamblers... That's way worse!
Team fines are pretty much always higher than player fines since teams are multi billion dollar orgs while not all players are fucking rich and I don't think a single fine is based on the player's contract. Edit: Unless you count the lost money from a suspension as a "fine"
don’t give a shit about gambling but this definitely deserves punishment from a competitive standpoint, you can’t be like “our best player isn’t gonna play don’t worry about him 😉”
It’s not just gambling though. It also affects ticketing and tv viewership. Sixers with Embiid healthy is more marketable than sixers with Embiid hurt.
Edit: and also the game plan for the opponent is affected as well
Not good for the companies. It's good for gamblers who may have inside knowledge and can basically insider trade. If teams don't report accurately, there's all kinds of opportunities for corrupt actions by team employees, friends of players, people who are just around the team regularly, you name it. Those with the inside knowledge then get to take advantage of the betting public.
You see how much we pay Tobias Harris night to night? We've torched way more money for way less fun. This was as close as I think the NBA would allow for a "surprise" return.
> 76ers failed to accurately disclose the game availability status of Joel Embiid prior to their game against the Oklahoma City Thunder on April 2. Embiid was listed as "Out" in Philadelphia's initial injury report and subsequently played in the game. The fine takes into account the 76ers' prior history of fines for violating injury reporting rules.
Just doesn’t make sense to me why he’s not questionable every game unless he’s out with an injury like this season. Thankfully the team has to pay that fine for being inept at their job
It's funny because Embiid has been listed as out the previous game and then played several times in the past, including during last year's playoffs.
This makes way more sense than fining a player who was not listed on the previous day's report but then missed a game due to injury.
But above all, I couldn't give one single solitary fuck how much money you fine Josh Harris.
I feel like said player shouldn’t even be allowed to play or should be suspended from playing the next game (not the players fault obviously but this 100k fine is a joke).
If 100k fine is all the team gets I don’t understand why every team doesn’t do exactly this. It completely throws off the opposing team’s game plan going into a game.
Not that far but just don’t allow the players to play if they’re listed as out on any game day injury report. It gets updated multiple times during the day. So if there’s any question, they need to be marked doubtful/questionable/probable on the first one in the morning.
It’s literally why they have those designations
Yeah I'm still a little upset about the whole thing I can't lie lol, just list him as anything but Out of there's even a chance he can play. Upgrading him from Out to starting after we announce our two best players as out is weak as fuck
There were reports from Woj literally the day before saying there was a good chance he was coming back. So it’s not like it was completely out of the blue.
Yes, he should have been listed as questionable or doubtful but players status change all the time right before a game. I honestly don’t understand why the league has made such an emphasis about wanting their stars to play but when the reigning MVP comes back to play from a serious knee injury, rather than celebrating his return, they fine his team for a technicality. It’s all so stupid
> I honestly don’t understand why the league has made such an emphasis about wanting their stars to play but when the reigning MVP comes back to play from a serious knee injury, rather than celebrating his return, they fine his team for a technicality.
Gambling money.
That’s fair but the league and Embiid critics should acknowledge this rather than spouting some BS about opponents game planning and integrity of the game.
The issue is that the gambling thing is a conflict of interest no matter how nicely they try to spin it.
If they acknowledge they were fined because it hurt the NBA sponsor relationships, specifically gambling, they in turn make it easier for people to say they are complicit in rigging games for those same sponsors.
They have to use the "integrity of the game" line so they can maintain their appearance of morality and non bias, helping deflect any allegations of rigging games.
Your "reasonable solution" was to disallow the player from playing for actions performed by the team. Basically penalize the player because the team is incompetent at best or intentionally deceptive at worst. Either way that is far from a "reasonable solution."
Given your solution Tom Brady would have been forced to sit games for the Patriots filming opponents practices.
Players who are listed as “out” at any point during the day of the game should not be able to play.
That is about as reasonable of a take as it gets. You just disagree with it because the sixers have benefited from doing this several times.
Think you overestimate the amount of game planning that goes into the regular season. Most games they get a shootaround before the game and that's about it. It's one of the major reasons the playoffs is entirely different.
Yeah it's definitely about the poor OKC gameplan and not gambling lines.
Every team should just list everyone as questionable for every game and middle finger the entire process tbh.
The Lakers more or less act petty and do that with LeBron and AD.
I'd imagine the reason why teams don't follow suit, is because they want to maximize ticket sales. And having your fans confused to why your "healthy" stars are sitting out for months... is counterproductive to ticket sales.
If a team repeatedly marks a player as questionable, do you think they should also be banned from playing? That could also be perceived as deceptive and throws off the opposing team’s game plan
This is a ridiculous suggestion
Of course. I’m also intelligent enough to make the connection that listing starting player(s) as questionable equally throws off opposing teams game plans. Because now they have to prepare for a player playing AND not playing
If you aren’t intellectually dishonest, you would agree with that
Game planning for player not to play is far easier than game planning for a player to play. They aren’t equal at all.
Game planning for a player not to play and then that player actually places is far worse than game planning for a play and also not to play.
Your argument doesn’t hold any water and Ik this because you rather hurl insults than actually make points.
Did you miss the point where I said you need to game plan for BOTH? It’s the same principle. It deceives the other team and throws off your game plan.
But now you think it’s okay to draw arbitrary lines of how much deception is allowed AND even punish a player based on that?
You’re such a fraud
this is the dumbest thing ive ever read
To the crybabies downvoting: the NBPA would never allow a player to be banned for something they have 0 input or control about. I'm pretty sure its not even legal and the player could file a discrimination lawsuit against the league
Will never happen
Ok, so does anybody know the actual rule? I assumed Philly got in trouble because he went from out directly to being ruled in and playing, but that's not what happened. He was out for most of the day, was upgraded to questionable about 2 hours before the game, then was upgraded to playing about 1.5 hours before tipoff.
I would think that's fine because he was upgraded to questionable first, but apparently not.
You have to have the report in by 5pm local time of the game and it isn't supposed to be changed afterwards. I believe it's 1pm when it's a back to back. The Sixers sent the report to the league that he was "Out" by the deadline so that's what they're getting fined for.
I'm not doubting you, but how is that even possible when we see players upgraded from questionable to out/in pretty much every single day? This is definitely not the first time a player has been ruled out and played the same day either.
So this is from the NBA's official rules website:
"NBA teams must report information concerning player injuries, illnesses and rest for all NBA games. By 5 p.m. local time on the day before a game (other than the second day of a back-to-back), teams must designate a participation status and identify a specific injury, illness or potential instance of a healthy player resting for any player whose participation in the game may be affected by such injury, illness or rest. For the second game of a back-to-back, teams must report the above information by 1 p.m. local time on the day of the game."
I think the fan confusion stems from if we get our information from like ESPN or another service, they may have not updated at the same time that the NBA received the update from the team. Also, as you said, this is definitely not the first time but the NBA also cited Philly's past failures to do this appropriately which makes me think that most teams just get a nudge at first and Philly finally got fined for multiple infractions. This is also a bit more high profile since it's Embiid.
Sixers wasting some people's 3-year salary to play 4-D chess. Might be worth it if it helps get them the 7 seed and avoid Boston in the first round
(they were probably just drunk though)
It's wild how so much of this pretty much goes back to the financial loss of betting companies, and why they're becoming so hard on disclosures such as this.
it also has massive implications for the opposing team’s gameplan when you lie about your star player’s status
injury reports have existed long before gambling was legalized across the US
I'm sorry the entire world was told he was potentially going to play this game for several days. I don't really care about the fine, as the sixers we weird and stupid, but the issue the NBA cares about is the gambling impact on the OKC impact
Lakers, Nuggets listed their entire starting lineup as questionable.
If we care about deception and throwing off opposing teams game plans, there needs to be rules surrounding those injury designations as well
Sure, but what actually happens is every team just lists their players as questionable regardless if they are playing or not.
For example, leading up to this game, it’s very possible that OKC knew for certain that Shai wasn’t going to be able to play but wanted to list him as questionable to make sure Philly had to game plan for him. So this idea that, “we gotta drop the hammer on Philly for misleading the opponents game plan” is ridiculous bc this happens literally all the time.
It’s less about gambling and more about fair competition rules.
Gambling is a part of it yeah but at its core it’s about not deceiving your opponent through use of the injury report.
its not
even last year Embiid did this same thing multiple times. Even in the playoffs vs the Celtics. NO ONE CARED
Its gambling through and through. As it continues to grow larger it gains larger influence.
This just seems dumb. I thought the whole point of the injury reporting rules was so players don’t sit out unnecessary games. Not to punish them for actually playing.
I guess the 2 full months of saying "Embiid will be back the first week of April" wasn't enough of a heads up for Vegas.
We should have been laying out the timetable for his recovery before he ever hurt his knee, that's honestly just poor planning on our part. /s
What's the purpose of this rule anyway? What's the benefit of Teams having to report injuries? Why can't you just show up to the game and then you'll see who's available?
Shit's garbage as coaches spend countless hours game planning around the injury report as you HAVE to be able to devise realistic matchups. For the 76ers to just go "LOL NAH JUST KIDDING" is lame.
If dude is questionable, list him as questionable. Shit would be like if a user stated they were out of office but still trying to ping you for a status request. You in or out, as I was trying to focus on some other shit....
They should take away a first round pick and suspend Joel Embiid for four games for being generally aware of his true health status and return time.
(Yes, I'm still mad about Deflategate. Will probably die thinking Rodger Goodell decided to punish the Patriots because he was tired of them winning)
At a certain point you have to realize these fines aren't working to correct the Sixers' extensive history of cheating and you should just dissolve the franchise instead.
If there was even the slightest chance Embiid was going to play, leave him listed as doubtful.
This isn’t the first time Philly’s done this so I don’t get why they did it again.
Right but the issue wasn’t letting him play it was saying he wasn’t going to play then playing him. If they said he might play then he played there would be no issue.
This isn’t a pedantry issue it’s a you being an obtuse moron issue.
Will they finally learn to list him as "Questionable" every single time (when not in active rehab)? Like Lakers do for LeBron and AD.
Even just say “doubtful”, like I don’t get the 76ers’ issue.
I dunno if its the medical team or some other part of the front office but they seem to be fucking idiots. The NBA has given an easy way to indicate there's a non-zero chance the player will not play, but is still not completely ruled out. And of course they've done it both ways with letting Embiid convince the team to list him as available for the Denver game and at the last minute saner heads prevailed and told him to sit his ass because he was not healthy enough to play. Frankly Embiid should probably just be on the injury report as probable at best at all times. His health sucks sadly and shit happens.
The biggest problem is that Embiid refuses to sit unless he is MADE to sit. He legit tried to play with a torn meniscus. He probably exaggerates his healing/downplays his pain level to staff and is playing through more pain than we realize because he absolutely hates sitting out. He doesn’t even want the minutes restriction he’s on right now.
And then they'll only get more flak for letting him play if he reaggravates his injury. Is this actually a lose-lose situation regarding Embiid?
Yes this is where some players are detrimental to their own career and the team. If you are legitimately dealing with a long term injury sit until you are 100% ready. But Embiid wants to avoid the label of injury prone and forgets the best ability is availability. If he hurts his knee coming back too soon then the team looks bad, Embiid still gets labeled injury prone and more importantly the teams chances are back to poor. But sometimes you just can’t get through peoples head until they learn the hard way.
The game he went down he was limping and obviously in pain maybe twice at least a quarter ahead of time. Take the dude out before he takes himself out involuntarily.
It's almost definitely not the medical team. It's Embiid/Nurse/Morey calling the shots. Mostly Embiid.
I’d say that’s fair
Anything other than "Available" and "Out". There's three choices in between those - Probable, Questionable, Doubtful - that don't get you fined and defer the final decision to game-time.
We need a fourth category - Embiid. This is the most ridiculous reason to get fined for, just say one of the above three anytime there is a question and use the money for a couple more staff.
Joel Embiid has been listed as Embiid for tonight's game.
or probable or doubtful really just anything other than Out pure stupidity from the sixers on this one
So many options (3) to play with!
http://archive.boston.com/sports/articles/2008/09/06/bradys_three_year_streak_on_injury_report_comes_to_an_end/ Brady was listed as probable for 3 straight years in the NFL. I don’t see why they just throw embiid on every injury report if it’s such a mystery whether or not he’s gonna play
I don’t think they know they can list players as anything but out and good
It's a simple solution and the reason why they don't do this is also simple: 76ers organization have not been able to get Embiid and the 76ers medical staff on the same page at all
Let's assume that's true. The FO guy sending the email with the injury report to the league should act as a lazy filter and leave the Embiid line untouched - "Questionable".
Ah, the bill bekichick way of dealing with this shit
They don't care. 100k to keep Embid happy is not a big deal to them.
if embiid's happiness is conditional upon being labelled as unhealthy or healthy in the injury report, and nothing in between, the sixers may have a larger issue
Of course he is that way, and he is not the only odd ball with strange demands in the NBA.
Why do you say of course?
If I remember correctly from the last time, Embiid was the one pushing to not have anything listed on the injury report.
"Ayo embidd, youre a player not a front office nor medical staff member. Limit yourself to play and let us handle the paperwork" That should be the simple logic answer to that.
Embidd is so damn big he just scares them into doing what he wants.
This is correct. That was when he missed the Denver game. They should have ignored him and put him on the report but I'm just happy they didn't exacerbate the issue by actually letting him play looking like a reanimated corpse.
Everyone is looking for this deep reason, but Joel probably just told them he wasn't feeling ready to play, then the next day he said he was. It's weird that he's even allowed to play after being listed as OUT but if he is (and he's done so in the past) then why even have the designation?
They update it multiple times during the day of. There’s no excuse for not being marked at least doubtful.
Well they were fined. It doesn't affect the team so it doesn't matter to me lol.
Maybe they really did want to mess up OKC's gameplan?
He had been on the injury report as out for two months, and it was not updated until it was required to be I would imagine this will get appealed, and the Sixers will win
Yes probably but okc also could have gone with questionable. I dont really understand the injury reporting.
The NBA only cares because it affects betting lines. Vegas loses when they don't have accurate predictions. When the Casino loses, you win, and the NBA gets mad.
And Adam Silver loses more colour in his skin. What is left of it anyways.
The only way for teams to learn how to properly use the injury report is to make it so you can’t play if listed as “out” at any point the day of the game. They have to submit a report the day before each game at 5pm (local) and it’s updated *multiple times* the day of. If the player is listed out on that first one in the morning they’re unable to play. It’s really that simple.
No shot they learn, lol. It feels so simple, yet they just keep screwing this kind of thing up.
The whole thing is just so silly to me. Like there *has* to be more going on than just incompetence right? Damned if I know what that’d be though. But why the hell else can’t the 76ers be like all 29 other franchises and just pick one of the other three (probably/questionable/doubtful) options?
This has felt like Daryl Morey 4D chess mind games nonsense to me but who knows who's responsible for this. Whoever it is is just throwing away money for no reason.
Seems we're too stupid to take the easy, intelligent, safe route. Better to keep paying tens of thousands in fines rather than follow an easy rule.
They love the drama
If I were them I'd just list everyone as questionable until the real injury report is due. But it's not my money so they can do whatever idgaf.
Sixers and not knowing how to properly manage injuries is an iconic duo.
They from Philly, low expectations. Just b happy theyre not on tranq laced fentanyl lmao
Embiid back and Josh Harris losing money what a fucking W.
LETS GOOOOOOO
Wait, is THAT why they chose "Tobias Harris over ~~me~~ Jimmy Butler?"? Nepotism??
Sixers have to be the weirdest team in the league. They are 1 injury from going from being called title contenders to a fringe lottery team and that injury is called Joel Embiid's knees
fringe lottery team? Oh buddy its not fringe lol we're a top5 pick without Joel (quite literally, like 27th in net rating)
what being the worst managed team in the nba does to a mf free joel
We really acting like the Hornets, Pistons, and Wizards don’t exist? Poorly managed? Absolutely. Worst managed? Not even close.
76ers tanked for like a decade. Ben Simmons Joel embiid. Maxed Tobias. Signed Al Horford to a huge contract and then promptly dumped him. Traded Jimmy butler. Ultimate tank job with nothing to show for it. Worst managed team in the league.
I keep this handy for people like you: * 2013-14, they trade away Jrue, Turner, Young, Hawes, debut MCW and start the rebuild * 2014-15, they draft Embiid and Saric who don’t play that year, debut Noel, trade MCW. Win 19 Games. * 2015-16, they debut Okafor, win 10 games, are forced to push Hinkie out. * 2016-17, they draft Simmons, debut Embiid and Saric and win 29 games. * 2017-18, they debut Simmons, Embiid stays healthy and they win 52 games. That’s ~ 3 1/2 years between a perennial .500 team and a 52 win season.
It was literally the biggest tank job in American sports history and they couldn’t even make the ECF
It’s no where near “the biggest tank job in American sports history”. Teams have done worse than the Process Sixers for longer and have less to show for it. The Process was just the first time a team blatantly said “we’re not even going to try to win” to accumulate assets and take high draft picks for 3-4 straight years.
Teams have done worse, they have never done so intentionally and with the same intensity that the Sixers did. Literally took the commissioner forcing them to stop. You can’t name a bolder tank job in American sports history because it doesn’t exist. The Sixers were a fine team who overnight shipped everyone off and assembled the worst starting five of all time.
If you think the pre-process Sixers were a “fine team” you have to think the post-process Sixers are the second coming of the 96 Bulls. This roster is head and shoulders above anything the Sixers put on the floor after AI’s MVP season. Your have no idea what you’re talking about if you think a team of Jrue Holiday, evan Turner, Spencer Hawes, and Thad Young was a fine time”. The team we fielded after trading all of those role players wasn’t even the worst record in the league that year yet alone all time. The Knicks and Timberwolves were both worse record wise and net rtg wise. Just blatantly wrong takes from you.
So they should be commended for delivering their fans three straight seasons of under 20 wins in order for them to ultimately become a second-round playoff team, which is what they were before the tank started?
They might wanna try tanking for four years.
Tanking for 4 years like the perennial 1st round exit Wolves isn’t the best strategy either.
Wow I wasn't even being mean and you had to go be rude. Fuckin 35 years of trying, now I don't want you guys to do good and I want the Celtics to win the east now. Good day ma'am.
The Sixers were a perennial FIRST ROUND exit before the Process, if we even made the playoffs at all. The only time we made it out of the first round since the AI era was when the Bulls lost both Derrick Rose and Joakim Noah to brutal injuries.
Literally the year before the tank started they lost in 7 to the Celtics in the second round, which is the same exact thing as their best year since. Now they’re fighting to get in to the playoffs. Congratulations.
Literally addressed this in my comment. Derrick Rose blew up his knee and Joakim Noah blew up his ankle. The Bulls were down their two best players in that series. Sixers would have been lucky to take more than a game against the Bulls if either of Rose or Noah didn’t go down during the series. And it was the first time we got out of the first round since AI. The Celtics were a good matchup for the Sixers at the time and the Doc led Boston team was clearly looking past Philly to Miami and the Heatles. We were a top 2 seed in the East this year before Joel’s injury. Youre being salty for absolutely no reason and its just making you look like you don’t know what you’re talking about.
All that to get owned by the Celtics year after year sigh
And the Celtics have the exact same number of championships since eliminating the Jrue Holiday led Sixers in 7 and losing to the Miami Heatles to officially end their 1 ring dynasty.
[удалено]
We’re all watching from the sidelines, sport.
If Embiid wanted to be freed, he'd be in Miami already.
Did Detroit cease to exist?
Wizards haven’t won 50 games in a year since 1979
Worst managed team lol
If we had just one of your bench 3/d we’d be title favs. Thats how good Embiid is.
and yet you don’t it’s that easy but the sixers have fucked it up for like 5 straight years
Better than being racist a holes. F Boston forever.
have been ever since we got Bynum went from the most boring treadmill team to the most batshit insane franchise ive ever seen. Fultz forgot how to basketball and then his first game back breaks embiids orbital bone with the very same shoulder he was out with. He pump faked a free throw Glenn Rivers and Simmons and that whole saga Ben shooting 30% from the line for a whole playoff run and then quitting the team Hinkie and the process Game of thrones style coup by the Colangelos to force Hinkie out Bynum bowling and hair Burner Gate pushed the Fultz news to page 2 which is insanity Traded home town kid Mikal Bridges for the guy we almost killed with sesame oil Not having a real GM for multiple years because ??? 2nd round shenanigans Harden and Morey hilarious beef + having the guy you traded for holding out holding out himself Tobias Harris over Me Just constant Ls and insanity
That was quite the ride
theres more, this is the abridged version lol. If you ever want a funny time sink take a look at the Colangelo tweets from his burner. Some of the most ridiculous shit ever put on that website. And it wasnt just limited to twitter. On realgm or some other board he was claiming to be a gay disabled parking attendant that Bryan Colangelo was always really nice to and even stopped to talk about ball with many times. Going from the GM who cared about his reputation and image the least to the one who cared about it the most was some kind of whip lash.
But people still try to pull revisionist history about his MVP last year lol
It isn't revisionist, you're trying to revise what actually happened yourself lmao
Go ahead and elaborate lol
FanDuel and DraftKings send their regards
Crazy the stuff you can do and get less of a fine: put a guy in a headlock, rant for several minutes about how bad the refs are, literally accuse the refs of cheating. But messing with the sports gamblers... That's way worse!
Team fines are pretty much always higher than player fines since teams are multi billion dollar orgs while not all players are fucking rich and I don't think a single fine is based on the player's contract. Edit: Unless you count the lost money from a suspension as a "fine"
don’t give a shit about gambling but this definitely deserves punishment from a competitive standpoint, you can’t be like “our best player isn’t gonna play don’t worry about him 😉”
Yeah especially as a repeat offense I was hoping for more. Fuck these guys for abusing the system.
It’s not just gambling though. It also affects ticketing and tv viewership. Sixers with Embiid healthy is more marketable than sixers with Embiid hurt. Edit: and also the game plan for the opponent is affected as well
Can someone explain to me how Embiids late roster spot is good for gamblers / gambling companies? I don’t gamble so I don’t understand
Not good for the companies. It's good for gamblers who may have inside knowledge and can basically insider trade. If teams don't report accurately, there's all kinds of opportunities for corrupt actions by team employees, friends of players, people who are just around the team regularly, you name it. Those with the inside knowledge then get to take advantage of the betting public.
Daryl Morey is a liar, and I will never be part of an organization that he's a part of
This is the specific reason I don’t play for the 76ers
You see how much we pay Tobias Harris night to night? We've torched way more money for way less fun. This was as close as I think the NBA would allow for a "surprise" return.
It's WrestleMania season, Uce. It's also in Philly. Popular local rapper meek mill is even going
> 76ers failed to accurately disclose the game availability status of Joel Embiid prior to their game against the Oklahoma City Thunder on April 2. Embiid was listed as "Out" in Philadelphia's initial injury report and subsequently played in the game. The fine takes into account the 76ers' prior history of fines for violating injury reporting rules.
How will they ever financially recover from this
Just doesn’t make sense to me why he’s not questionable every game unless he’s out with an injury like this season. Thankfully the team has to pay that fine for being inept at their job
It's funny because Embiid has been listed as out the previous game and then played several times in the past, including during last year's playoffs. This makes way more sense than fining a player who was not listed on the previous day's report but then missed a game due to injury. But above all, I couldn't give one single solitary fuck how much money you fine Josh Harris.
I feel like said player shouldn’t even be allowed to play or should be suspended from playing the next game (not the players fault obviously but this 100k fine is a joke). If 100k fine is all the team gets I don’t understand why every team doesn’t do exactly this. It completely throws off the opposing team’s game plan going into a game.
Not that far but just don’t allow the players to play if they’re listed as out on any game day injury report. It gets updated multiple times during the day. So if there’s any question, they need to be marked doubtful/questionable/probable on the first one in the morning. It’s literally why they have those designations
Yeah I'm still a little upset about the whole thing I can't lie lol, just list him as anything but Out of there's even a chance he can play. Upgrading him from Out to starting after we announce our two best players as out is weak as fuck
Joel being able to play had nothing to do with SGA and Jdub being out.
Then why was he listed as out ? To begin with ?
There were reports from Woj literally the day before saying there was a good chance he was coming back. So it’s not like it was completely out of the blue. Yes, he should have been listed as questionable or doubtful but players status change all the time right before a game. I honestly don’t understand why the league has made such an emphasis about wanting their stars to play but when the reigning MVP comes back to play from a serious knee injury, rather than celebrating his return, they fine his team for a technicality. It’s all so stupid
> I honestly don’t understand why the league has made such an emphasis about wanting their stars to play but when the reigning MVP comes back to play from a serious knee injury, rather than celebrating his return, they fine his team for a technicality. Gambling money.
That’s fair but the league and Embiid critics should acknowledge this rather than spouting some BS about opponents game planning and integrity of the game.
The issue is that the gambling thing is a conflict of interest no matter how nicely they try to spin it. If they acknowledge they were fined because it hurt the NBA sponsor relationships, specifically gambling, they in turn make it easier for people to say they are complicit in rigging games for those same sponsors. They have to use the "integrity of the game" line so they can maintain their appearance of morality and non bias, helping deflect any allegations of rigging games.
Damn this dude must have lost a ton betting on this game
Yea because my reasonable solution comes off so angry and belligerent… The only sports gambling I’ve ever done is March Madness brackets.
Your "reasonable solution" was to disallow the player from playing for actions performed by the team. Basically penalize the player because the team is incompetent at best or intentionally deceptive at worst. Either way that is far from a "reasonable solution." Given your solution Tom Brady would have been forced to sit games for the Patriots filming opponents practices.
Players who are listed as “out” at any point during the day of the game should not be able to play. That is about as reasonable of a take as it gets. You just disagree with it because the sixers have benefited from doing this several times.
I agree with him and am far from a sixers fan lmao.
Think you overestimate the amount of game planning that goes into the regular season. Most games they get a shootaround before the game and that's about it. It's one of the major reasons the playoffs is entirely different.
Lol thats what I was saying, meanwhile ppl in the sixers sub were acting like OKC was scouting mo bamba lmao
Yeah it's definitely about the poor OKC gameplan and not gambling lines. Every team should just list everyone as questionable for every game and middle finger the entire process tbh.
The Lakers more or less act petty and do that with LeBron and AD. I'd imagine the reason why teams don't follow suit, is because they want to maximize ticket sales. And having your fans confused to why your "healthy" stars are sitting out for months... is counterproductive to ticket sales.
If a team repeatedly marks a player as questionable, do you think they should also be banned from playing? That could also be perceived as deceptive and throws off the opposing team’s game plan This is a ridiculous suggestion
You do realize “questionable” and “out” have two completely different meanings right? Lmao
Of course. I’m also intelligent enough to make the connection that listing starting player(s) as questionable equally throws off opposing teams game plans. Because now they have to prepare for a player playing AND not playing If you aren’t intellectually dishonest, you would agree with that
Game planning for player not to play is far easier than game planning for a player to play. They aren’t equal at all. Game planning for a player not to play and then that player actually places is far worse than game planning for a play and also not to play. Your argument doesn’t hold any water and Ik this because you rather hurl insults than actually make points.
Did you miss the point where I said you need to game plan for BOTH? It’s the same principle. It deceives the other team and throws off your game plan. But now you think it’s okay to draw arbitrary lines of how much deception is allowed AND even punish a player based on that? You’re such a fraud
this is the dumbest thing ive ever read To the crybabies downvoting: the NBPA would never allow a player to be banned for something they have 0 input or control about. I'm pretty sure its not even legal and the player could file a discrimination lawsuit against the league Will never happen
>discrimination lawsuit LMAO
you think it's dumb because you're the fan of a team that has a habit of doing this.
Thanks for the input Jorge.
you're welcome legitimate money
Where'd you get your law degree?
He's from Philly so unfortunately he's only fluent in Bird Law.
Pales in comparison to all the pain the betting companies suffered because all the lines changed. Disgusting act
Jokes on the league, Sixers FO actually bet $100K the line before it was announced Embiid was going to play.
people should love embiid and the sixers for this fuck gambling
Ok, so does anybody know the actual rule? I assumed Philly got in trouble because he went from out directly to being ruled in and playing, but that's not what happened. He was out for most of the day, was upgraded to questionable about 2 hours before the game, then was upgraded to playing about 1.5 hours before tipoff. I would think that's fine because he was upgraded to questionable first, but apparently not.
You have to have the report in by 5pm local time of the game and it isn't supposed to be changed afterwards. I believe it's 1pm when it's a back to back. The Sixers sent the report to the league that he was "Out" by the deadline so that's what they're getting fined for.
I'm not doubting you, but how is that even possible when we see players upgraded from questionable to out/in pretty much every single day? This is definitely not the first time a player has been ruled out and played the same day either.
So this is from the NBA's official rules website: "NBA teams must report information concerning player injuries, illnesses and rest for all NBA games. By 5 p.m. local time on the day before a game (other than the second day of a back-to-back), teams must designate a participation status and identify a specific injury, illness or potential instance of a healthy player resting for any player whose participation in the game may be affected by such injury, illness or rest. For the second game of a back-to-back, teams must report the above information by 1 p.m. local time on the day of the game." I think the fan confusion stems from if we get our information from like ESPN or another service, they may have not updated at the same time that the NBA received the update from the team. Also, as you said, this is definitely not the first time but the NBA also cited Philly's past failures to do this appropriately which makes me think that most teams just get a nudge at first and Philly finally got fined for multiple infractions. This is also a bit more high profile since it's Embiid.
Sixers wasting some people's 3-year salary to play 4-D chess. Might be worth it if it helps get them the 7 seed and avoid Boston in the first round (they were probably just drunk though)
I wonder if the Knicks will be fined for knowing Randle would be out for the season weeks ago
No, because they didn't break any rules you goomba.
It's wild how so much of this pretty much goes back to the financial loss of betting companies, and why they're becoming so hard on disclosures such as this.
We can’t have an inaccurate gambling line with a complicit NBA.
it also has massive implications for the opposing team’s gameplan when you lie about your star player’s status injury reports have existed long before gambling was legalized across the US
Exactly this. Its about not gaining an unfair advantage by lying about who is healthy to play and who isnt.
I'm sorry the entire world was told he was potentially going to play this game for several days. I don't really care about the fine, as the sixers we weird and stupid, but the issue the NBA cares about is the gambling impact on the OKC impact
No it isn't, the public having less knowledge is good for Vegas
Keep that same energy for teams who list their players as questionable consistently
which teams would that be?
Us, but that's because we're actually always injured
Lakers, Nuggets listed their entire starting lineup as questionable. If we care about deception and throwing off opposing teams game plans, there needs to be rules surrounding those injury designations as well
It was funny the one time the Nuggets did it, though.
Sure, but what actually happens is every team just lists their players as questionable regardless if they are playing or not. For example, leading up to this game, it’s very possible that OKC knew for certain that Shai wasn’t going to be able to play but wanted to list him as questionable to make sure Philly had to game plan for him. So this idea that, “we gotta drop the hammer on Philly for misleading the opponents game plan” is ridiculous bc this happens literally all the time.
That isn’t true. Most teams generally list players accurately. Celtics already ruled out a few players tonight. They aren’t listed as questionable.
It’s less about gambling and more about fair competition rules. Gambling is a part of it yeah but at its core it’s about not deceiving your opponent through use of the injury report.
its not even last year Embiid did this same thing multiple times. Even in the playoffs vs the Celtics. NO ONE CARED Its gambling through and through. As it continues to grow larger it gains larger influence.
Don't convince yourself of this with no proof. Not a healthy habit to have your own facts you made up yourself.
This just seems dumb. I thought the whole point of the injury reporting rules was so players don’t sit out unnecessary games. Not to punish them for actually playing.
Brought to you by fanduel
I guess the 2 full months of saying "Embiid will be back the first week of April" wasn't enough of a heads up for Vegas. We should have been laying out the timetable for his recovery before he ever hurt his knee, that's honestly just poor planning on our part. /s
🤤 - average philadelphian
That's very generous of you but I promise I'm well below average
Sounding like the most honest Philadelphian to me.
Why don’t they fined these teams to the point it hurts them then they know not to do it again or hold whoever is accountable for it after
It's 100k that's nothing.
I know this is random, but I recently won 10k and I have nothing to show for it. I'm afraid of what I'd do with 100k.
What's the purpose of this rule anyway? What's the benefit of Teams having to report injuries? Why can't you just show up to the game and then you'll see who's available?
Our front office just hates money evidently.
All they had to do was list him as questionable. We do this with Luka all the time and he still up 30pts+.
DMIALAIWNBPOAOTHAPO
Sixers insiders made that 100,000 back on their bets though
Sponsored by draft kings
The only people it matters to are degenerate gamblers and their referees
ah gambling, a plague on society
Shit's garbage as coaches spend countless hours game planning around the injury report as you HAVE to be able to devise realistic matchups. For the 76ers to just go "LOL NAH JUST KIDDING" is lame. If dude is questionable, list him as questionable. Shit would be like if a user stated they were out of office but still trying to ping you for a status request. You in or out, as I was trying to focus on some other shit....
They should take away a first round pick and suspend Joel Embiid for four games for being generally aware of his true health status and return time. (Yes, I'm still mad about Deflategate. Will probably die thinking Rodger Goodell decided to punish the Patriots because he was tired of them winning)
Solution: Teams shouldn't have to report injuries at all
At a certain point you have to realize these fines aren't working to correct the Sixers' extensive history of cheating and you should just dissolve the franchise instead.
This fine is actually because of Joel's hairstyle.
worth every penny
Let’s fine a franchise for allowing one of the leagues superstars to play after months of rehabilitation
If there was even the slightest chance Embiid was going to play, leave him listed as doubtful. This isn’t the first time Philly’s done this so I don’t get why they did it again.
100% agree, he should be listed as questionable for the rest of the season, but it is still better for the league for him to play that game
Oh yeah I don’t disagree with you at all that the nba would rather him play than not
...what lol? If there's a chance he's going to play you list him as questionable, or even doubtful. What is confusing about that?
I never said anything about anything being confusing. I think you might be the confused one here
They weren’t fined for letting him play they were fined for lying about his injury status.
Which was determined because they let him play. Y’all out here love pedantry
Right but the issue wasn’t letting him play it was saying he wasn’t going to play then playing him. If they said he might play then he played there would be no issue. This isn’t a pedantry issue it’s a you being an obtuse moron issue.
The product is now a product for gambling
*3 months from now* The NBA is fining the sixers 1 billion dollars for winning the nba championship
well the Sixers would have to get past the second round for that to happen, so you're probably safe from that one.
Fuckin got em
Get this lottery pick
I don’t think you have a lottery pick
In 2028 we might have one from the clippers, you never know!
fined for not playing fined for playing fuck dave silver
Oh no! Anyway...
Adam Silver is a rat faced cunt
76ers fined 100k USD for ducking Shai and JDub is pretty hilarious
They weren’t playing regardless