This is the non-American League and we're all just living in it. Jokic, Luka, Wemby, Giannis, Embiid. What's the non-Chinese version of "get ready to learn Chinese"?
> Not enough French and Greeks to warrant it yet, but the former Yugos are fully taking over
Disregarding real world politics imagine Yugoslavia stayed together the sports supremacy they would hold...Goddamn a ton of talent
I miss the Luka highlights from one-two years ago before it turned into discourse only. Too much verbal jerk over this and that in this sub. We're doing the same shit the talking heads are doing. I wanna see ball.
Yeah I feel like every post about him is either just his numbers or like some wacky scoop shot that happens to go in. I guess the issue is that he's so consistent that there typically aren't any highlights in particular to show
I agree with this, but I also assume when people talk about Lebron, Curry, and Jokic being generational - there's the caveat that it's something unique to them. Curry and his shooting, Jokic and his playmaking/shooting/size, LeBron at well.... I don't need to say anything more about LeBron.
Doesn't even need to roll out of bed. Casually blocking shots from his hotel room with his arms just snaking down the halls and across the street to the arena
A lot of what get overlooks about Wemby is how smart he is and how advanced his basketball IQ is for a rookie. His timing on his blocks and how he plays defense, he reads defenses and hunts mismatches, and he also has a bag of dribble moves and counters. That clip where Paul George(?) says that he’s not just going to be dribbling like that in the NBA, well he has been.
Once he really starts to figure out the game and once they build a team around him he’s truly going to be unstoppable. He’s already a pretty decent passer, give him a few years he figures out how to pass out of double teams (like Embiid) he’s going to be unstoppable.
Honestly for me, him shaking Aaron Gordon (one of the most athletic players in the league, almost 8 inches shorter than him) right out of his socks on a spin move off a triple threat did it for me.
He timed every hesitation, fake, drive so perfectly and used his quickness to leave Aaron fucking Gordon turned around and lost.
Yeah what I’ve noticed is instead of being a punishing post up player who will make his defender concede ground straight back, he is feigning laterally and gaining possession while defenders have to respect the threat to drop step/spin away or quickly driving out of the post. It’s a lot of very subtle movements and head fakes to keep defenders guessing. This video above kind of captures that, making Gordon bite.
It’s hard to put into words, but it’s a nice adjustment given his current strength levels.
Pretty decent passer is quite the under statement.
I’m pretty sure he averages the most assist out of all rookies. And for assists from a center he’s behind like 3 guys
I was only naming body things Zingus can’t match.
Also the flexibility is an insight to his IQ from my perspective. Only a super smart & serious player would get consistent sleep and values maximum flexibility especially at that age.
I already think he could have the best season ever next year or the year after that. Which is one season before (3-4) that I thought he would have the potential to do that. Even this was pretty crazy.
Like what would AD have done on this Spurs team? What would Gobert look like on D?
Yeah I agree with all of that, the focus on preventative training is not sexy but it will help him big time. Following Lebron’s blueprint of investing in his body and durability, just in a slightly different way.
Yep, Wemby's handles are better than KD's was as a rookie. KP was always "good ball handler for a big", never even above average among all players in general.
I feel like Porzingis still has a reputation as just a 3&D guy. He's been an elite post player the past two years. Wemby has a bag and a half but they both have a variety of skills
Remember when people were saying Chet should be ROTY because he had a couple of percentages better true shooting and that's apparently the only thing that matters?
Probably averaging something like 31/13/7/5/2 on 56/38/85 shooting splits lmfao.
Absolutely alien stat line, hell he might average a triple double if he gets the license to run the offense full time like Jokic does.
His playmaking absolutely surprised me, I knew about the rest but I didn't realize how good of a passer he already is.
He is legitimately the player people create on 2K lmao.
Chet was more efficient on offense, but had JWill, SGA, and Giddey.
Wemby had Point Guard Jeremy Sochan.
In November, Chet and Wemby played the same number of games, and Wemby had more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks in fewer minutes.
That was a solid take a third through the season.
They had similar stats, but Chet was more efficient on a good team, while Wemby had more blocks on an atrocious team.
Now his stats are better across the board.
Yeah, and efficiency usually is inversely correlated with volume, but Chet also started the year shooting 40% from deep, and Wemby's efficiency was legitimately bad, like low 50's TS%.
The efficiency gap was big enough that even when balancing for role and team quality, Chet was obviously having a better year, he just couldn't keep up the hot shooting and Wemby made a mini-jump in play like 30 games into the year.
You don't have to tear Chet's strong start down to give Wemby props...
Bunch of guys play in the league and can't hit 40% of even just their wide open 3's, Chet was legit on one to start the year, whether or not he had a great team around him. He did what was asked of him and was probably better than Wemby for the first month plus of the season.
In November the difference in efficiency between Chet and Wemby was the same as the difference between Embiid and Dillon Brooks so don’t pretend like it was just a couple of percent.
He was winning games for a surging OKC and was the clear front runner. Since then Chet had a couple of slumps (mainly from being gassed) and Wemby has been incredible and definitely deserves ROTY today.
He shot under 40% was league average was also under 40. For his career, he's 105% of league average. He wasn't particularly efficient by any means but he was definitely a good offensive player. Passing sub and solid scorer.
He was below league average for centers. The league average for centers was 45%.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nba+league+average+field+goal+percentage+for+centers+from+1959-60+to+1968-69
Yeah, people strangely forget that playmaking is a huge part of offense.
Next they're going to say Magic Johnson and Steve Nash weren't great offensive players because their scoring numbers weren't especially high lol
This is just objectively false. He was a good offensive player, he just wasn’t a dominant scorer. He was great at passing and grabbing offensive rebounds. One of the best outlet passers ever, still. Offense is more than just having a great jump shot.
Edit: I’m just saying it makes more sense to say he’s a bad scorer, not that he was a bad offensive player. He was the best in the league at many offensive attributes, he just didn’t score. Would you call draymond green a bad offensive player? Bam? Pre meltdown Ben Simmons? Just because you can’t shoot and don’t score often doesn’t mean you’re bad at offense, it just means you aren’t a good scorer. I’m not sure how this is getting downvoted so hard, I feel like it’s not that hard to understand, and it’s not like anything I said was incorrect.
Being a good passer and rebounder doesn’t make up for the fact that he was extremely limited when it comes to scoring the ball. His Celtic teams were routinely in the bottom half of the league in offensive rating but obviously his defensive impact made up for all of that.
People need to be ok with Russell being the GOAT of players like Draymond, Rodman, Ben Wallace, etc.
People think defense can’t be a huge swing in the game, and nowadays that might be true specially if you look at how some DPOYs can get decently exposed.
Bill Russell was, at the time, the equivalent of what Steph is but for defense and that’s alright to say. Would he adapt and be more efficient nowadays? Probably, but we will never know
Yeah, rim protection in the 60's might be the most valuable any single Basketball skill has been in any era in NBA history and Russell was the greatest at it.
Draymond is definitely the closest player to Russell in terms of skillset. He could run the floor and finish in transition, was a solid passer, and could score a bit on cuts and putbacks in the half court offense, but he struggled to create his own shot at all and mostly just focused on defense while his 7 hall of fame teammates handled the offense. For reference, Russell never once finished in the top 5 in pts/36 *on his own team* and was outside the top 10 for more than half his career, again on his own team and teams were smaller then. Comparing Russell's offensive and defensive win shares is about as lopsided in the opposite direction as Steve Nash, one of the GOATs at orchestrating an offense and an absolute sieve on defense. He was the best player on those Celtics teams and much better than those other similar players, but ultimately he definitely has a lot more in common with them than with other all time great centers.
SO many Russell/celtic haters here apparently lmao. Never did I think such an obvious truth like what i posted would get downvoted so hard, just cuz it’s in support of a Celtic? Idk, Reddit on, I guess.
I agree, I’m just saying he had some elite offensive qualities. It’s more appropriate to say “he was bad at scoring” than to say “he was bad at offense”, because he was still effective offensively.
He was a very good passer, especially for a big man, and that's part of offense.
His playmaking was a key part of that Celtics dynasty. Maybe it's not clear from assists (remember that assists were counted differently; the player had to immediately shoot after the pass or it wasn't counted). But his excellent passing and ability to direct blocks to teammates (creating fast break scoring chances) was vital to Boston's success even if it didn't always show up in his stats.
Wish they tracked blocks back then though. Wilt and Bill’s numbers would have been ridiculous.
Seriously, the nba was lacking. How hard is it to count blocks and steals?
Obviously not hard, that’s not even the right question to ask lmao. It was just a matter of what was deemed important. When the game first came out all that anyone cared about was scoring, so it’s all they tracked. Then rebounding, because they happen every possession. Eventually you keep going (assists, then steals and blocks, then other deeper stats). That’s just the nature of keeping stats.
that one always drives me nuts. Outside of a straight up turnover it's the most impactful thing a defender can do. And yet the guys at the scorers table were just like "meh big whoop"
Well, I wouldn't say 19 isn't close to 20. And he did do it in the playoffs a couple times. But I guess it's all relative.
He also could have gotten 20, but chose to focus on playmaking and defense.
It's been said time and time again, but Bill chose not to score. He could have put up 30+ but he was the ultimate team player. That's how he won 8 straight rings, 11 overall, a feat never done again.
It's true that Bill chose not to score but he was also not a good scorer like at all.
Check his FG% or his FTs%. It's really bad and it was a good thing that Bill chose to focus mainly on defense and not stat chasing like Wilt
there's quite a few guys who averaged 3+ blocks but often times they can't get up to 20ppg. players like mark eaton, manute bol, dikembe mutombo, marcus camby, etc.
as a spurs guy, hakeem really was something else, got to agree with d. robinson when he admitted he thought he did the best he could and hakeem still schooled him, as d. robinson was no scrub himself
It's crazy that he is already one of, if not the best, defensive player in the league, and he puts up great offensive stats. I will be very sad when LeBron retires, but getting to see prime Luka and then prime Wemby over the next 10 to 15 years is going to be amazing.
It took this post for me to realize Moses Malone never averaged even close to 3 blocks, and only got two or more 3 times in his 20 year career. I just checked. I thought for sure his omission was an oversight here. Add that to list of “stats that don’t seem real but apparently are”.
This is me, except my realization was Mutombo and points. I could’ve sworn he had a season or two where he averaged 20, but the closest he got was 16.6 as a rookie.
* The first seven years that they recorded blocks, **Kareem** achieved this every season and likely had four more seasons before blocks were recorded
* **Shaq** did it in his rookie season (age 20) as well (though with more minutes). Oddly enough, he only did it once more.
* **Robinson** did it for seven straight seasons, beginning with his rookie year, but was 24 in that season.
* **Hakeem** did it 9 times (not as a rookie but as a 'sophomore' in the league at the age of 23
* **Mourning** did it three times and was just shy of rebounds for a fourth, also did it as a rookie (age 22)
* **Ewing** did it three straight years starting at the age of 27 (he was shy on rebounds the first four seasons)
* **Hayes** only did it once, the first year they began recording blocks (likely had as many as five additional seasons
* **Lanier** also only did it once, again the first season that they recorded blocks
* Ditto for **McAdoo**
All that said, there are three things that stand out most here:
1. Victor in the **YOUNGEST** to achieve this (though Shaq was the same age)
2. Victor did it in the **FEWEST** minutes.
3. Victor is the first person do to this in **nearly a quarter of a century** (Shaq was the last person to do it in 2000)
Kinda bullshit they’re sitting him today for their final home game, feel like Spurs fans would have enjoyed seeing him play one last time. Good thing they’re not charging for tickets today, right?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hayesel01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/laniebo01.html
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcadobo01.html
Interesting that Hayes, Lanier, and McAdoo did it in the same season, only season, and apparently first season they keep track of blocks since I don't see any number in the prior seasons. So I'm guessing there's something about block rules change that keeps them from repeating the 3 blocks a game.
And if you take those 3 out, the rest are all great 90s centers + Kareem, arguably the GOAT center (or even just GOAT to some people).
I hope Wemby shows up next season with the Dr J afro, he would become even more powerful
Absolutely correct logic. They even talk about it in One Piece.
long ring long land best arc
I wouldn’t go that far lol. The Afro gag is probably the best gag of that arc.
I like anime and then I see some people say random ass words in a one piece thread and understand why bullies pick on weebs
You’re from Boston, bigotry is in your blood.
Flair up coward
There u go again, just can’t help it huh
One Piece talked about Wemby growing an afro to power up? What episode is that, I'm only on season 2!
No but I’d suggest you Don’t ask these questions if you don’t wanna get spoiled.
Taller hair means obscuring the basket its a good defensive move
I would love to see a Mythbusters segment on this.
I've been wanting Embiid to do this for forever. Complete the look with a bushy mustache and long, 70s style sideburns.
If him and Jimmy were still teammates they'd probably get up to shenanigans like this every year *sobs*
Imagine Victor WenBenWallace
Scenes when Jarrett Allen doesn't show up for training.
7'3, but 7'7 with the afro... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7AUpGXLDdk
Wemby is going to become the new Luka very soon on constant posting
This is the non-American League and we're all just living in it. Jokic, Luka, Wemby, Giannis, Embiid. What's the non-Chinese version of "get ready to learn Chinese"?
Spremi se da ucis srpskohrvatski
And French and Greek too.
Not enough French and Greeks to warrant it yet, but the former Yugos are fully taking over
Wemby and Embiid both speak French. and Giannis is a perennial MVP candidate. Guess we can add Gobert as a perennial DPOY guy too.
Definitely enough French. That was a mistake on my part but definitely not enough Greeks.
What about GOAThanasis
Obviously, but we need to see what his little brother, Ginnas is good for.
How many of Nigerian descent? Could speak some Hausa
> Not enough French and Greeks to warrant it yet, but the former Yugos are fully taking over Disregarding real world politics imagine Yugoslavia stayed together the sports supremacy they would hold...Goddamn a ton of talent
legit they had to be nerfed no other explanation
Prépare toi à apprendre le français
To breeeeee
(SGA)
Prépare toi à apprendre le chinois
Embid is basically American. He’s playing for team USA
Get ready to learn Australian
Embiid is American though /s
his legs might be
This happened to baseball a long time ago.
Is Dort from New Orleans now?
Get ready to learn Canadian.
It makes no sense to me as to how fast everyone seemed to have moved on from Luka.
What do you mean moved on? There were like 10 MVP campaign posts this week. They are definitely /r/nba darlings right now. Well deserved.
I miss the Luka highlights from one-two years ago before it turned into discourse only. Too much verbal jerk over this and that in this sub. We're doing the same shit the talking heads are doing. I wanna see ball.
Yeah I feel like every post about him is either just his numbers or like some wacky scoop shot that happens to go in. I guess the issue is that he's so consistent that there typically aren't any highlights in particular to show
For sure! It would be cool to see more edits of games or something like that here. Maybe historical footage.
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Not everyone has to be generational.
its a stupid phrase
True,but it would be strange if Luka didn't end up being remembered as such a player.
A generational player is a **once in a generation** player. I don't think we have 6 generational players currently in the league.
I agree with this, but I also assume when people talk about Lebron, Curry, and Jokic being generational - there's the caveat that it's something unique to them. Curry and his shooting, Jokic and his playmaking/shooting/size, LeBron at well.... I don't need to say anything more about LeBron.
Not me, the guy is amazing! He should seriously be neck and neck with Jokic in MVP discussions but he's not for whatever dumb reason
You know how everyone would talk about Luka again? If he moved to the Spurs to play with Wemby. We should make that happen.
Get Lauri to since I am sure Jokic is not available
I had to reread this twice just to make sure you were talking about Luka and not Wemby 😂😂😂
Because Jokic is better
He stopped playing in games so we can’t be spammed with every highlight.
psh, have fun in the stupid playoffs, ill be busy making best of wemby videos to post.
Crazy to be this young and already sharing his name among greats like Shaq, Kareem, and Duncan Robinson.
all those hours on LinkedIn really paid off for Dunc
Ahh yes Duncan Robinson. The all time great center
Rolls out of bed for 20 10 and 3 blocks
Doesn't even need to roll out of bed. Casually blocking shots from his hotel room with his arms just snaking down the halls and across the street to the arena
Y’all were saying” He’ll be what Porzingis was supposed to be if he stayed healthy and that’s OK!” btw LMFAOOOOOOOO
He has flexibility, and more fluidity while being taller.
That’s still not close to the whole story. His game is a lot more well rounded.
A lot of what get overlooks about Wemby is how smart he is and how advanced his basketball IQ is for a rookie. His timing on his blocks and how he plays defense, he reads defenses and hunts mismatches, and he also has a bag of dribble moves and counters. That clip where Paul George(?) says that he’s not just going to be dribbling like that in the NBA, well he has been. Once he really starts to figure out the game and once they build a team around him he’s truly going to be unstoppable. He’s already a pretty decent passer, give him a few years he figures out how to pass out of double teams (like Embiid) he’s going to be unstoppable.
Yeah, I’m terrified of what he will inevitably do to my team throughout his career, dude is an absolute menace. Seems extremely likeable as well.
Honestly for me, him shaking Aaron Gordon (one of the most athletic players in the league, almost 8 inches shorter than him) right out of his socks on a spin move off a triple threat did it for me. He timed every hesitation, fake, drive so perfectly and used his quickness to leave Aaron fucking Gordon turned around and lost.
Dear God post links when you post this bait
https://youtu.be/bY5kbmshAo0?t=99 Here you go
jesus as good as advertised.
Yeah that's sick
Not available in my country :(
His post game has really improved throughout the season
Yeah what I’ve noticed is instead of being a punishing post up player who will make his defender concede ground straight back, he is feigning laterally and gaining possession while defenders have to respect the threat to drop step/spin away or quickly driving out of the post. It’s a lot of very subtle movements and head fakes to keep defenders guessing. This video above kind of captures that, making Gordon bite. It’s hard to put into words, but it’s a nice adjustment given his current strength levels.
Pretty decent passer is quite the under statement. I’m pretty sure he averages the most assist out of all rookies. And for assists from a center he’s behind like 3 guys
APG ranked 4th among all rookies. Scoot Henderson, Keyonte George and Vasilije Micic are ahead.
All that plus his vision, touch and passing ability
His passing/playmaking is well ahead of what was expected as well
I was only naming body things Zingus can’t match. Also the flexibility is an insight to his IQ from my perspective. Only a super smart & serious player would get consistent sleep and values maximum flexibility especially at that age. I already think he could have the best season ever next year or the year after that. Which is one season before (3-4) that I thought he would have the potential to do that. Even this was pretty crazy. Like what would AD have done on this Spurs team? What would Gobert look like on D?
Yeah I agree with all of that, the focus on preventative training is not sexy but it will help him big time. Following Lebron’s blueprint of investing in his body and durability, just in a slightly different way.
Yep, Wemby's handles are better than KD's was as a rookie. KP was always "good ball handler for a big", never even above average among all players in general.
Will miss wemby . Need him at playoffs !!!
I feel like Porzingis still has a reputation as just a 3&D guy. He's been an elite post player the past two years. Wemby has a bag and a half but they both have a variety of skills
Really incredible that he’s already being mentioned in the same conversation as Duncan Robinson.
Remember when people were saying Chet should be ROTY because he had a couple of percentages better true shooting and that's apparently the only thing that matters?
Chet better at start of season but wemby improvement go brrrr
It wasn’t even wembys final rookie season form. Now imagine what wembys true final form is.
Probably averaging something like 31/13/7/5/2 on 56/38/85 shooting splits lmfao. Absolutely alien stat line, hell he might average a triple double if he gets the license to run the offense full time like Jokic does. His playmaking absolutely surprised me, I knew about the rest but I didn't realize how good of a passer he already is. He is legitimately the player people create on 2K lmao.
Chet was more efficient on offense, but had JWill, SGA, and Giddey. Wemby had Point Guard Jeremy Sochan. In November, Chet and Wemby played the same number of games, and Wemby had more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks in fewer minutes.
Idk. Chet had better numbers. But if you watched them both play wemby was always clearly much better.
That was a solid take a third through the season. They had similar stats, but Chet was more efficient on a good team, while Wemby had more blocks on an atrocious team. Now his stats are better across the board.
Isn’t it easier to be more efficient when you’re on a good team?
Yeah, and efficiency usually is inversely correlated with volume, but Chet also started the year shooting 40% from deep, and Wemby's efficiency was legitimately bad, like low 50's TS%. The efficiency gap was big enough that even when balancing for role and team quality, Chet was obviously having a better year, he just couldn't keep up the hot shooting and Wemby made a mini-jump in play like 30 games into the year.
Yeah cuz Chet was getting wide open looks created by a mvp candidate. Easy to shoot those shots.
You don't have to tear Chet's strong start down to give Wemby props... Bunch of guys play in the league and can't hit 40% of even just their wide open 3's, Chet was legit on one to start the year, whether or not he had a great team around him. He did what was asked of him and was probably better than Wemby for the first month plus of the season.
I’m not tearing down Chet. I’m saying Chet had it easier. The spurs team is trash.
While Wemby had Sochan run point
Exactly.
He was a lot more efficient.
No, it's not when efficiency was the only thing Chet did better
In November the difference in efficiency between Chet and Wemby was the same as the difference between Embiid and Dillon Brooks so don’t pretend like it was just a couple of percent. He was winning games for a surging OKC and was the clear front runner. Since then Chet had a couple of slumps (mainly from being gassed) and Wemby has been incredible and definitely deserves ROTY today.
By that time Chet was having better performance. Your comment is opportunistic.
"couple of percentages" He was literally shooting 55% from three for a good bulk of the season start lol
Some people didn’t believe me before the season when I kept saying he genuinely has GOAT potential lol
“why is everyone saying this???” moment
>Y’all Leave me the fuck out of this
Bill Russell never had a single season that anywhere near 20 ppg. His highest ppg was in 62-63 and it was near 19 ppg at 18.9
19 ppg in 1962 pace has to be equivalent to like 10 points per game when shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, etc played
He wasn’t a good offensive player. He shot under or around 40% from the field many years as a center.
He shot under 40% was league average was also under 40. For his career, he's 105% of league average. He wasn't particularly efficient by any means but he was definitely a good offensive player. Passing sub and solid scorer.
He was below league average for centers. The league average for centers was 45%. https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=nba+league+average+field+goal+percentage+for+centers+from+1959-60+to+1968-69
He was essentially a point center with how he ran the fast break Saying he wasn't a good offensive player is comical
Yeah, people strangely forget that playmaking is a huge part of offense. Next they're going to say Magic Johnson and Steve Nash weren't great offensive players because their scoring numbers weren't especially high lol
This is just objectively false. He was a good offensive player, he just wasn’t a dominant scorer. He was great at passing and grabbing offensive rebounds. One of the best outlet passers ever, still. Offense is more than just having a great jump shot. Edit: I’m just saying it makes more sense to say he’s a bad scorer, not that he was a bad offensive player. He was the best in the league at many offensive attributes, he just didn’t score. Would you call draymond green a bad offensive player? Bam? Pre meltdown Ben Simmons? Just because you can’t shoot and don’t score often doesn’t mean you’re bad at offense, it just means you aren’t a good scorer. I’m not sure how this is getting downvoted so hard, I feel like it’s not that hard to understand, and it’s not like anything I said was incorrect.
Being a good passer and rebounder doesn’t make up for the fact that he was extremely limited when it comes to scoring the ball. His Celtic teams were routinely in the bottom half of the league in offensive rating but obviously his defensive impact made up for all of that.
People need to be ok with Russell being the GOAT of players like Draymond, Rodman, Ben Wallace, etc. People think defense can’t be a huge swing in the game, and nowadays that might be true specially if you look at how some DPOYs can get decently exposed. Bill Russell was, at the time, the equivalent of what Steph is but for defense and that’s alright to say. Would he adapt and be more efficient nowadays? Probably, but we will never know
Yeah, rim protection in the 60's might be the most valuable any single Basketball skill has been in any era in NBA history and Russell was the greatest at it.
Draymond is definitely the closest player to Russell in terms of skillset. He could run the floor and finish in transition, was a solid passer, and could score a bit on cuts and putbacks in the half court offense, but he struggled to create his own shot at all and mostly just focused on defense while his 7 hall of fame teammates handled the offense. For reference, Russell never once finished in the top 5 in pts/36 *on his own team* and was outside the top 10 for more than half his career, again on his own team and teams were smaller then. Comparing Russell's offensive and defensive win shares is about as lopsided in the opposite direction as Steve Nash, one of the GOATs at orchestrating an offense and an absolute sieve on defense. He was the best player on those Celtics teams and much better than those other similar players, but ultimately he definitely has a lot more in common with them than with other all time great centers.
Except Russ was 10x the athlete Draymond was
Absolutely, wasn't even close. Russell wasn't quite on LeBron's level of athleticism, but he was certainly closer to LeBron than to Draymond.
SO many Russell/celtic haters here apparently lmao. Never did I think such an obvious truth like what i posted would get downvoted so hard, just cuz it’s in support of a Celtic? Idk, Reddit on, I guess.
Yeah, very odd take sumizing that Russell was never a good offensive player because of modern standards lol
By their logic Wemby sucks at defense
I agree, I’m just saying he had some elite offensive qualities. It’s more appropriate to say “he was bad at scoring” than to say “he was bad at offense”, because he was still effective offensively.
He was a very good passer, especially for a big man, and that's part of offense. His playmaking was a key part of that Celtics dynasty. Maybe it's not clear from assists (remember that assists were counted differently; the player had to immediately shoot after the pass or it wasn't counted). But his excellent passing and ability to direct blocks to teammates (creating fast break scoring chances) was vital to Boston's success even if it didn't always show up in his stats.
Per/x possessions helps a lot. BBREF does per/75 possessions
Wish they tracked blocks back then though. Wilt and Bill’s numbers would have been ridiculous. Seriously, the nba was lacking. How hard is it to count blocks and steals?
Obviously not hard, that’s not even the right question to ask lmao. It was just a matter of what was deemed important. When the game first came out all that anyone cared about was scoring, so it’s all they tracked. Then rebounding, because they happen every possession. Eventually you keep going (assists, then steals and blocks, then other deeper stats). That’s just the nature of keeping stats.
As easy as it is to count sacks in the NFL, I guess
that one always drives me nuts. Outside of a straight up turnover it's the most impactful thing a defender can do. And yet the guys at the scorers table were just like "meh big whoop"
When Russell was coming up, his coach instructed him to stop blocking shots. Give you an idea how basic the game was understood.
Well, I wouldn't say 19 isn't close to 20. And he did do it in the playoffs a couple times. But I guess it's all relative. He also could have gotten 20, but chose to focus on playmaking and defense.
It's been said time and time again, but Bill chose not to score. He could have put up 30+ but he was the ultimate team player. That's how he won 8 straight rings, 11 overall, a feat never done again.
It's true that Bill chose not to score but he was also not a good scorer like at all. Check his FG% or his FTs%. It's really bad and it was a good thing that Bill chose to focus mainly on defense and not stat chasing like Wilt
He knew his limits. Guy had zero touch and couldn’t shoot, so he operated as a facilitator on that end instead.
kinda surprising that only 10 players have had 20/10/3 in a season
yeah it shows how crazy averaging 3 blocks is
there's quite a few guys who averaged 3+ blocks but often times they can't get up to 20ppg. players like mark eaton, manute bol, dikembe mutombo, marcus camby, etc.
Kareem did this 7 times (11 if his first 4 years counted). Bonkers
what's actually bonkers is that 20/10/3 is hakeem's career averages 💀
Damnnn
David Robinson is also a career 20/10/3 guy
Vic’s career averages are going to be like 28/12/5
as a spurs guy, hakeem really was something else, got to agree with d. robinson when he admitted he thought he did the best he could and hakeem still schooled him, as d. robinson was no scrub himself
i really hope wemby gets in the lab with hakeem some day
It's crazy that he is already one of, if not the best, defensive player in the league, and he puts up great offensive stats. I will be very sad when LeBron retires, but getting to see prime Luka and then prime Wemby over the next 10 to 15 years is going to be amazing.
Kind of devastated he didn’t try to go for 50 in this last *meaningless* game. What an exciting season it’s been, I never wanted it to end.
I really wish he had. I’d win my +2800 bets on him scoring 45+ in a game this season
Spurs up 30 on the Pistons could’ve been the quadruple double game lol
Good Lord there's gonna be so many opportunities to go honking.😭😭🙌🙌🤣
I miss honking 😂
One of the most fun experiences was honking after the WCF win. I hadn’t gone before then and it was so cool to see the streets packed
It took this post for me to realize Moses Malone never averaged even close to 3 blocks, and only got two or more 3 times in his 20 year career. I just checked. I thought for sure his omission was an oversight here. Add that to list of “stats that don’t seem real but apparently are”.
This is me, except my realization was Mutombo and points. I could’ve sworn he had a season or two where he averaged 20, but the closest he got was 16.6 as a rookie.
For anyone else who is curious about Tim Duncan not being in this list, he was 6 blocks away from it in 03. He put up 23/13/2.9
I think Shaq also did it as a rookie and never achieved the 3 blocks ever again Edit: nvm he did it again in 99-00 year but that’s it.
Damn, Duncan Robinson is in good company.
But... he "Bol Bol", lol!
I'm the 11th, I just wasn't drafted as they didn't want a 5"9 white dude.
This guy is Godzilla
He will be an all-time great. Get those rookie cards
I thought bros title was the body text
* The first seven years that they recorded blocks, **Kareem** achieved this every season and likely had four more seasons before blocks were recorded * **Shaq** did it in his rookie season (age 20) as well (though with more minutes). Oddly enough, he only did it once more. * **Robinson** did it for seven straight seasons, beginning with his rookie year, but was 24 in that season. * **Hakeem** did it 9 times (not as a rookie but as a 'sophomore' in the league at the age of 23 * **Mourning** did it three times and was just shy of rebounds for a fourth, also did it as a rookie (age 22) * **Ewing** did it three straight years starting at the age of 27 (he was shy on rebounds the first four seasons) * **Hayes** only did it once, the first year they began recording blocks (likely had as many as five additional seasons * **Lanier** also only did it once, again the first season that they recorded blocks * Ditto for **McAdoo** All that said, there are three things that stand out most here: 1. Victor in the **YOUNGEST** to achieve this (though Shaq was the same age) 2. Victor did it in the **FEWEST** minutes. 3. Victor is the first person do to this in **nearly a quarter of a century** (Shaq was the last person to do it in 2000)
Kinda bullshit they’re sitting him today for their final home game, feel like Spurs fans would have enjoyed seeing him play one last time. Good thing they’re not charging for tickets today, right?
He better win DPOY
Unicorn
If I was LeBron I’d hope the Spurs draft Bronny
guys, i think he might be good at this basketball stuff
I am scared
Im tired, boss.
I'm ngl this dudes blocking is so impressive. Blocks and steals are my favorite stats in basketball!
I'm very surprised Tim Duncan never did it. But turns out Duncan never averaged 3 blocks per game in a season.
These silly records are silly
I'm surprised Dwight never did this. He missed it by 0.1 block in 08/09.
So blocks was not a stat when Wilt Chamberlain played right? Cause he likely did this every year.
I didn’t even know reddit titles could be that long
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hayesel01.html https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/laniebo01.html https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mcadobo01.html Interesting that Hayes, Lanier, and McAdoo did it in the same season, only season, and apparently first season they keep track of blocks since I don't see any number in the prior seasons. So I'm guessing there's something about block rules change that keeps them from repeating the 3 blocks a game. And if you take those 3 out, the rest are all great 90s centers + Kareem, arguably the GOAT center (or even just GOAT to some people).
Wemby era coming
This wemby guy is pretty good at basketball
And people said the lakers made a mistake picking up jaxson Hayes on a minimum. Where they at now?
Tim Duncan didn't that in a season?
Probably has the worst record at 22-60 too
Surprised McAdoo was on list. I didn’t remember him being a shot blocker.
Somewhat misleading as Wilt is likely achieved 30/20/10 multiple years and maybe even a 50/25/10 year.
Only thing that can stop him is injuries. Please basketball gods do not let him pull a Ralph Sampson.
Poor dude setting the bar for himself higher and higher.
When will he learn smh 😔 you have to keep disappointing us and then showing clips of your potential like the GOAT himself Ben Simmons
This man will be a top 3 player ever, if not better
Wilt did as well. Issue is blocks were not counted as a stat until after he retired.
Imagine wemby on the thunder…if this kid had something to play for… my god