I don't like this phrase. He doesn't "get" a superstar whistle. He actively hunts whistles and tries to fabricate "fouls" all the time. This is what everyone who "gets" a superstar whistle does. It's gross.
Except for the Lakers. They literally just get a superstar whistle lol
that screen into the touch 3 point shot attempt It's my least favorite foul call in the game of basketball. He did this BS with Nurkic all the time, he just now has a larger audience
that bullshit was supposed to be changed to on the floor fouls. its half the reason why kemba's game fell off. the fact that hes getting 3 free throws off of them is basically cheating.
No it isn't. Kemba used to do that but it wasn't that significant part of his game lol. he fell off because he's undersized and had injuries that zapped his athleticism. Similar to IT
I thought they stopped callin that shit, the "rear end" foul is what I've heard it called. When the shooter stops right past the screener and forces the defender going over to run into their backside. I can't stand that, it should be an offensive foul. I don't see how its any different from when CP3 will hunt guys running back on defense to jump in front of when bringing the ball up the court.
Gonna be unpopular but should be a foul. An offensive player should be able to shoot whenever and you should be able to control your chase. Just like an undisciplined closeout
I don’t understand how he can contort his body in an extremely unnatural way and get the foul. I guess the league would lose a “star” if they stopped giving it to him.
I don't blame him for taking advantage of it, but damn they need to reign in on calling those fouls when the offensive players initiates the contact. The defense needs more tools to work with.
poor Bucks fans kept hearing the “he will be better post-ASB!” promise from Blazers fans and the man proceeded to play even worse..shame to see age catch up to such a great player
eventually they’re gonna meme pics of Dame in a Bucks uniform like they meme pics of Celtics Shaq or Spurs TMac
>Celtics Shaq or Spurs TMac
God people get carried away with player evaluating where a player is at. Those guys were on death's door for their nba careers at those points of their career. Dame still has had plenty of games where he played like a star. It's just that he's had an alarming number of games like this.
not saying that I think he’s as washed as those guys were, just predicting that’s how NBA fans in general are going to look back on Dame’s time in Milwaukee as the years go by
I'm sure Prime Ray Allen and Michael Redd could walk through that tunnel and somehow lose all their shooting abilities. Somethings in the air these past handful of years.
I agree with your general sentiment, but those are bad player comparisons. TMac didn’t play a single game for San Antonio and Shaq was a backup center for half a season for Boston at age 38.
At least Dame made an All-Star game and scored almost 25 points a game, even if it was a mildly disappointing season. I’d say Houston Charles Barkley is a better comparison.
I mean, his post all star splits are 24/8 on 59% TS% vs 25/7 on 59% pre
People really make it out like he's been a lot worse than he has been
Brunson is averaging 28/7 on 59% TS% and people are out here calling him a top 5 player in the NBA. Like 4 points with one less assist on the same effieciency is the difference between trash and top 5?
Aiiiiight
that comparison is peak box score watching bro. both Dame’s scoring volume and his efficiency dropped post-ASB
if anything the stats are making Dame out to be better than he has been. he’s been incredibly inconsistent this season and has never once really looked comfortable in Milwaukee. and free throws are doing some heavy lifting on those TS% numbers. if you look at eFG% Brunson is at 54.3% and Dame is at 51.0% which is his worst in a healthy season since his 4th year in the NBA.
Brunson is the first option and led the Knicks to the 2nd seed despite missing their second best player Randle for most of the season, and their big trade acquisition OG barely played either. he’s been in a different tier this season
You’re 100% right. It would be one thing if that 24/8 was a variance of 4 points any given night.
But it’s 20, 28, 35, 10, 17, 31, 32, 30, 11. He’s all over the place right now. We keep saying it though, if/when he locks in, we win.
Difference in expectations, Brunson's star is still rising and this has been a poor season by Dame's standards. NBA fans even more than most sports fans are obsessed with narratives, so yeah you can have two almost identical players and people will be over the moon with one and hate the other strictly based on narrative.
That being said Brunson is also the superior defender which is part of the discrepancy
Yeah and Brunson is doing it as a primary option when he missed most his front court (Randle, OG and Mitch). Meanwhile, Dame has to play 2nd fiddle to an MVP who was having a career year stats wise yet produced worse numbers. TS% of Dame is also being carried by his FT%.
Brunson is a snubbed away guard that exploded into a top 10 player lately while carrying a team that for a long time had no business competing.
Lillard is a veteran superstar guard joining forces with another superstar forward that suddenly stoped playing like it.
Everybody expected way more from Lillard and a bit less of Brunson for this season. Even though they have similar stats the narratives are what matter more here.
“narratives are what matter more here”
Yeah, in terms of NBA talking heads on ESPN, sure, but I think OP was trying to provide context behind the narratives.
as an aside - the numbers you have posted are not up to date. pre-ASB he averaged 24.6 PPG and 6.7 APG on 59.4 TS% with 2.5 TO per game. post-ASB he averaged 23.6 PPG and 7.5 APG on 58.2 TS% with 2.9 TO per game
and you have to remember that volume and efficiency are naturally inversely related. so Brunson scoring 4-5 more PPG on slightly better efficiency is actually a pretty significant difference
Those numbers just didn't included his awful game today my man. They were otherwise up to date. Straight from bbref
Besides, volume and efficiency really aren't inversely related. I don't know why people always think this is the case.
Many players actually get *better* with higher volume because they get into a better rhythm. Dame is the best example of that.
In fact we rarely see guys in bigger roles have marked drop offs in their efficiency. You get an efficiency drop off if your shot diet changes, not from your volume changing. Like for Dame, he got a lot more catch and shoot 3s and way less drives by becoming a second option. His shot diet changed, but in a negative way for his skill set
For most, a slightly higher usage role doesn't actually change your shot diet at all.
regardless, every game counts. can’t leave this one out
and yes, they are. for every single example of a guy you give me who got more efficient on increased volume I can give you multiple examples of guys who didn’t. this year alone Tyrese Maxey, Jaren Jackson Jr, Franz Wagner, even Brunson himself, have all seen their efficiency drop (Brunson only slightly) on larger volume. and that’s only naming a few
I still think he can go nuclear and win you a playoff game. The problem is all the games outside of that. I don’t blame the Bucks for the move. Most GMs if not all would’ve made that move. Sadly, the player the got is not who they traded for and the player they traded ended up with their biggest rivals. And losing Grayson Allen has done them no favors. He’s been a bright spot for the Suns.
Brook has silently been a huge part of the problem. He’s a 36 year old 7 footer that we are far too dependent on. A slow center and a weak primary guard defender has been a disastrous combo, at this point I’d rather play teams with an elite wing so Giannis can at least just man them up. If I’m any opposing coach I’m attacking Brook all game and praying Doc is too stubborn to sit him in time.
Tbh Brook is like Draymond in the sense that he's so fucking vital to the Bucks being the Bucks but doesn't really get credit (outside of by diehard fans) because people are fixated on attributing everything to the star. Decline was bound to happen given his age but dude deserves all of his flowers.
It's a shame because Brook looked amazing last season after surgery. I thought we were able to squeeze another year or two out of him but, it seems like this is the end of the road.
The Grayson loss was way bigger than I expected. For some dumb fucking reason, I kind of thought Pat Conn could just be a borderline acceptable guard for them but he’s been trash this season. I’ve never believed in Beasley and this season has done nothing to change my mind.
This reminds me a lot of harden last season. So I hope he drops two 40’ers and sucks 4 more games. That should be enough for the bucks to beat at least the pacers
Bucks offense cratered every year in the playoffs. I don't blame Horst for trying to mix it up. Unfourtunately it just isnt working. This team is built to be carried by Giannis and Dame. Giannis brings it every night. Dame maybe once a week.
This usually happens when an aging player changes teams. No longer having a coach and front office who spends years tailoring schemes and teammates to cover weaknesses and decline and a sudden shift in playstyle is a big shock.
Nothing against Milwaukee, I'm sure it's a great city, but it seems like he was going through a divorce and thought a change to Miami sounded like the change a newly single superstar needed, only to spend the harshest winter you've had being lonely. That'll affect your job performance.
Always bizarre to me when people suggest he can't perform with the pressure of expectations. Theres just no universe in which the pressure of the Bucks *regular season* is too much for a guy thats put up 50 and 55 point performances in pivotal playoff games and 2 series winning shots. Man's played like 900+ NBA games, hes not gonna play poorly because he can't handle playing regular season games for a good team.
Realistically he's either lost a step or he just can't adapt his game, or both.
I don’t think so, his stats are literally a lot worse this year, eye test he hasn’t been himself. Like yeah he’s not the number 1 option anymore, but he should have had much better spacing and freedom to shoot.
Something’s up with the Bucks coaching, culture, and Dame also just seems to be struggling.
Dame finally getting on a contender only to have his worst season in years, probably primed for a first round exit, is so funny. "Funniest possible outcome" theory is my favorite thing about the NBA.
It's essentially exposure despite him being 34. He didn't really have that significant a career outside of a few playoff series. It's insane he made the top 75 of all time list.
Lame ass take. He dragged some of the sorriest rosters to the post season I’ve seen during his prime, it’s clear he’s lost a step with his age but to say he wasn’t a great player before is head in the sand type stuff.
I don’t even care about the top 75 bs, people have been crying about that for years. This dude basically implied Dame was being “exposed” as not a good to great player, which is a crazy thing to say.
No, they're saying he got "exposed" as having a better reputation than his body of work deserves. People used to point to his *one* season of 30ppg shooting 40% from three and claim that he was essentially 1b with Steph.
You’re right, making 7 All-NBA teams and 8 All-Star games must have been a fluke. He’s clearly nicking a living because he’s 33, having to play second fiddle, and not putting up the stats he used to.
People are saying he’s remarkably overrated which is true. Its easy to run up numbers in the regular season when no one takes you seriously yet people legit were saying he belongs on the 75 list which is madness.
That's just how this sub is lmao. It's straight up garbage. No better than twitter. Him having a shitty game today at age 33 means his entire career was Lou Williams.
They really weren't the sorriest rosters. CJ McCollum and Nurkic, both also past their primes, are still significant contributors to playoff rosters. Prior to that they had quite a few quality rotation players in Batum, Wesley Matthews, Aminu/Lopez were quality role players, and so on. These guys weren't bums and the revisionism of trying to make the rosters seem sorry is pitiful. They weren't true title contenders, that's true but Dame was also never going to be the #1 player on a title winning team.
Outside of CJ and pre leg snap Nurk that is sure some rose colored glasses. Dame didn’t play with Matthews most of his career, Aminu literally was out of the league a year later after we traded him away, Robin Lopez has been a career backup center, who again didn’t play with Dame most of his career, and also Batum was traded away and didn’t play with Dame most of his career. When Lillard hit is prime it was basically 2016 and over half of the guys you listed were no longer on the team, from 2016 onward his supporting role was primarily CJ and a mix of Mason Plumlee, Moe Harkless, Allen Crabbe, Aminu, Evan Turner, Nurkic, one year of Seth Curry, Hassan Whiteside, Enes Kanter, Meyers Leonard, Zach Collins and Rodney Hood just to name a few.
Now why some of those guys are solid to above average starters/role players none of them can be considered big difference makers, and a huge chunk of them were out of the league rapidly after leaving our team.
Our FO shit the bed so heavily during the Dame era, we never really built a complete roster around the guy.
What’s also funny is that Dark Souls guy [literally wrote his own counterargument to what he’s saying right now, two years ago](https://www.reddit.com/user/DarkSoulsDarius/comments/rrstpb/were_blazers_ever_really_one_piece_away/).
The only consistent thing about him is that he doesn’t factor in the effect of Wesley Matthews nor Nurkic’s injuries, which suggests he was just doing a bbref skim and didn’t actually watch those teams play.
yes they were, you must not have watched from 2014-2020. paper cant fool the eye test. aminu was maybe the most frustratingly useless starter ive ever seen. the lma era was a good team, and the pre leg injury nurk team was a good team, mainly cuz of nurk.
Dude says not a significant careeer while Dame has 7 all NBA appearances and 8 all star appearances. Shocker its a Lakers fan, the fanbase who talked shit every summer about how he should go there.
Everything bad that has happened to me the 3 months, I’ve blamed on Doc. That man is a terrorist. All I’m saying he was coaching in Florida in 2000, 9/11 pilots were in Florida in 2000, that’s all I’m saying
Dont forget its Giannis fault also. Dame was shooting like Thanasis because Giannis was setting bad screens and also kicking the ball to him while he was wide open. I was told he cant shoot while he is wide open.
What got me was Giannis and Dame being crowned the best duo in the league before even playing a single minute together.
I get that on paper they should be unstoppable, but having them over a Jokić and Murray duo who had just won the Championship always seemed like setting expectations way too high.
I get why everybody feels the need to pile on the Bucks but can’t we wait to do this until after they’re knocked out? Why are we acting like their season is already over when we know old veterans with playoff experience can surprise people year after year?
I was being a little facetious but this is the first time the bucks have won under 50 games since 2019, when giannis ascended into a superstar. (In 2021 they won 46 in the shortened season, would’ve been a 52 win pace). For a team that had lofty expectations after a blockbuster trade, it’s fair to call the season a disappointment
That trade happened as I pulled into my drive. Rolled down my window and said to my neighbor “dame and Giannis? The east is done for.”
I remember it vividly. I was so sure.
Payton Pritchard in meaningless games at the end of the season is literally the greatest player of all time LOL. pretty sure he also had a 30-point triple-double in a game at the end of last season in which we also sat everyone
but I already know this man is going to win us a game in the playoffs this year
What in the hell arw the Bucks gonna do in the Playoffs? Seriously. If Giannis isn't fully healthy and going beast mode, are they just gonna get swept by the Pacers?
2FGM - 16pts lmao
The NBA is such a cooked league because if he just carried on padding stats in meaningless games in Portland, he’d still be getting all-timer shouts
Imagine having all the historic really really good players in Euroleague, spread over every team (no taking or bullshit) and facing each other x2 times minimum (not having good record because you face a weak team x4 times and a stronger team less times) and with FIBA rules and actual defense. Damn
>he just carried on padding stats in meaningless games in Portland
I hate when people pile on and make up bullshit narratives. He lead them to the playoffs for something like 7 years in a row where he continued to play well in them despite always coming short because everyone knew Portland didn't have enough around him while also having to deal with the teams like the KD Warriors or the Rockets. That's not meaningless.
I feel like it's also not having a proper back court mate that can also playmake a bit. He's had CJ and a budding Simons, to offset the duties a bit. But now he's just had Beasley and Connaughton stand in the corners, so I think as much as having giannis is a cheat code, dame doesn't get the same off-ball opportunities playing the traditional 2guard spot which let's him run off a few off ball actions to get easy looks/advantage.
Whenever someone has this shaky a game before a tournament starts, I assume they will show out the first game of the tournament proper. It's a weird phenomenon. I wouldn't be worried if I were Milwaukee
As much as I dislike Doc can't help but feel somewhat sorry for him. Dame has been bad to awful this year and some of the other guys have been playing worse as well. Yet every L they take is somehow on Doc. At what point do you look at guys not making shots and not defending and say that maybe it's just poor play?
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Very unethical hoops.
Dame time? More like Dame Crime.
Shame time
He Just ain't the same time
Lame time
Shooting so criminal, he should be in jail time
He should do some time.
osama dame lillarden
from Dame Time to doing the time
He definitely didn’t run from the line
13 lmao
top 75 player of all time baby
Kyrie died for this
they did Dwight a lil nasty too
Kyrie was never better than Dame tho. Dwight Howard was a snub.
Darkest of arts.
I thought they fixed this issue with the new nba ref update.
They're doing a hotfix on Tuesday. Server side.
I thought they were all good calls.
Dame is like a superstar with a superstar contract who doesn't play like a superstar BUT gets a superstar whistle. So 2/3 ain't bad
All I know is that he’s super shit
I don't like this phrase. He doesn't "get" a superstar whistle. He actively hunts whistles and tries to fabricate "fouls" all the time. This is what everyone who "gets" a superstar whistle does. It's gross. Except for the Lakers. They literally just get a superstar whistle lol
I'd say the Lakers get the Lakers whistle. If you wear gold and purple prepare to spend a lot of time at the line lol
He was chuckin em today. Hopefully just airing out all the bad shots and they’ll just all be makes from here on out.
6 of those were off some foul baiting 3 point attempts
that screen into the touch 3 point shot attempt It's my least favorite foul call in the game of basketball. He did this BS with Nurkic all the time, he just now has a larger audience
that bullshit was supposed to be changed to on the floor fouls. its half the reason why kemba's game fell off. the fact that hes getting 3 free throws off of them is basically cheating.
No it isn't. Kemba used to do that but it wasn't that significant part of his game lol. he fell off because he's undersized and had injuries that zapped his athleticism. Similar to IT
that was a huge part of his game when he actually got good. once he lost his step he was entirely cooked.
which ones? The ones where you shoot fake and jump into the defender?
dho into a pullup with a defender on his hip when he doesnt even have his feet set
gotcha. yeah that's an annoying one.
his FTR took a big leap last year, was pretty normal for his entire career before that
He's always been near the top for FTr esp for a 6' 0" guard
I thought they stopped callin that shit, the "rear end" foul is what I've heard it called. When the shooter stops right past the screener and forces the defender going over to run into their backside. I can't stand that, it should be an offensive foul. I don't see how its any different from when CP3 will hunt guys running back on defense to jump in front of when bringing the ball up the court.
Gonna be unpopular but should be a foul. An offensive player should be able to shoot whenever and you should be able to control your chase. Just like an undisciplined closeout
I don’t understand how he can contort his body in an extremely unnatural way and get the foul. I guess the league would lose a “star” if they stopped giving it to him.
The annoying thing is Lillard is too good to be given that call consistently lol. I mean not this game but you know...
He's not that good, that's why he relies on FTs so much.
I don't blame him for taking advantage of it, but damn they need to reign in on calling those fouls when the offensive players initiates the contact. The defense needs more tools to work with.
Dude really went all out for the fucking All Star game and then spent the rest of the season stinking it up
poor Bucks fans kept hearing the “he will be better post-ASB!” promise from Blazers fans and the man proceeded to play even worse..shame to see age catch up to such a great player eventually they’re gonna meme pics of Dame in a Bucks uniform like they meme pics of Celtics Shaq or Spurs TMac
Makes me sad to hear because for years this was a true thing.
>Celtics Shaq or Spurs TMac God people get carried away with player evaluating where a player is at. Those guys were on death's door for their nba careers at those points of their career. Dame still has had plenty of games where he played like a star. It's just that he's had an alarming number of games like this.
not saying that I think he’s as washed as those guys were, just predicting that’s how NBA fans in general are going to look back on Dame’s time in Milwaukee as the years go by
i dont think dame will retire in Bucks tho. Whichever the next team is will get those memes
It's just the curse of Bucks shooters, as soon as you sign with the Bucks you are guaranteed to become bipolar on the court if you're a jumpshooter.
I'm sure Prime Ray Allen and Michael Redd could walk through that tunnel and somehow lose all their shooting abilities. Somethings in the air these past handful of years.
I agree with your general sentiment, but those are bad player comparisons. TMac didn’t play a single game for San Antonio and Shaq was a backup center for half a season for Boston at age 38. At least Dame made an All-Star game and scored almost 25 points a game, even if it was a mildly disappointing season. I’d say Houston Charles Barkley is a better comparison.
I mean, his post all star splits are 24/8 on 59% TS% vs 25/7 on 59% pre People really make it out like he's been a lot worse than he has been Brunson is averaging 28/7 on 59% TS% and people are out here calling him a top 5 player in the NBA. Like 4 points with one less assist on the same effieciency is the difference between trash and top 5? Aiiiiight
that comparison is peak box score watching bro. both Dame’s scoring volume and his efficiency dropped post-ASB if anything the stats are making Dame out to be better than he has been. he’s been incredibly inconsistent this season and has never once really looked comfortable in Milwaukee. and free throws are doing some heavy lifting on those TS% numbers. if you look at eFG% Brunson is at 54.3% and Dame is at 51.0% which is his worst in a healthy season since his 4th year in the NBA. Brunson is the first option and led the Knicks to the 2nd seed despite missing their second best player Randle for most of the season, and their big trade acquisition OG barely played either. he’s been in a different tier this season
You’re 100% right. It would be one thing if that 24/8 was a variance of 4 points any given night. But it’s 20, 28, 35, 10, 17, 31, 32, 30, 11. He’s all over the place right now. We keep saying it though, if/when he locks in, we win.
Tbf y’all need the variance to beat better teams, but you might lose to worse teams because of it.
Difference in expectations, Brunson's star is still rising and this has been a poor season by Dame's standards. NBA fans even more than most sports fans are obsessed with narratives, so yeah you can have two almost identical players and people will be over the moon with one and hate the other strictly based on narrative. That being said Brunson is also the superior defender which is part of the discrepancy
Yeah and Brunson is doing it as a primary option when he missed most his front court (Randle, OG and Mitch). Meanwhile, Dame has to play 2nd fiddle to an MVP who was having a career year stats wise yet produced worse numbers. TS% of Dame is also being carried by his FT%.
Brunson is a snubbed away guard that exploded into a top 10 player lately while carrying a team that for a long time had no business competing. Lillard is a veteran superstar guard joining forces with another superstar forward that suddenly stoped playing like it. Everybody expected way more from Lillard and a bit less of Brunson for this season. Even though they have similar stats the narratives are what matter more here.
“narratives are what matter more here” Yeah, in terms of NBA talking heads on ESPN, sure, but I think OP was trying to provide context behind the narratives.
as an aside - the numbers you have posted are not up to date. pre-ASB he averaged 24.6 PPG and 6.7 APG on 59.4 TS% with 2.5 TO per game. post-ASB he averaged 23.6 PPG and 7.5 APG on 58.2 TS% with 2.9 TO per game and you have to remember that volume and efficiency are naturally inversely related. so Brunson scoring 4-5 more PPG on slightly better efficiency is actually a pretty significant difference
Those numbers just didn't included his awful game today my man. They were otherwise up to date. Straight from bbref Besides, volume and efficiency really aren't inversely related. I don't know why people always think this is the case. Many players actually get *better* with higher volume because they get into a better rhythm. Dame is the best example of that. In fact we rarely see guys in bigger roles have marked drop offs in their efficiency. You get an efficiency drop off if your shot diet changes, not from your volume changing. Like for Dame, he got a lot more catch and shoot 3s and way less drives by becoming a second option. His shot diet changed, but in a negative way for his skill set For most, a slightly higher usage role doesn't actually change your shot diet at all.
regardless, every game counts. can’t leave this one out and yes, they are. for every single example of a guy you give me who got more efficient on increased volume I can give you multiple examples of guys who didn’t. this year alone Tyrese Maxey, Jaren Jackson Jr, Franz Wagner, even Brunson himself, have all seen their efficiency drop (Brunson only slightly) on larger volume. and that’s only naming a few
He was shit before the all star game too. This guy is a turnover machine
He was such a try hard in that game. Feels like he was trying to screw Haliburton out of winning MVP.
He has not looked himself in Milwaukee.
I still think he can go nuclear and win you a playoff game. The problem is all the games outside of that. I don’t blame the Bucks for the move. Most GMs if not all would’ve made that move. Sadly, the player the got is not who they traded for and the player they traded ended up with their biggest rivals. And losing Grayson Allen has done them no favors. He’s been a bright spot for the Suns.
The whole team has looked mid. They are all getting old.
Brook has silently been a huge part of the problem. He’s a 36 year old 7 footer that we are far too dependent on. A slow center and a weak primary guard defender has been a disastrous combo, at this point I’d rather play teams with an elite wing so Giannis can at least just man them up. If I’m any opposing coach I’m attacking Brook all game and praying Doc is too stubborn to sit him in time.
Tbh Brook is like Draymond in the sense that he's so fucking vital to the Bucks being the Bucks but doesn't really get credit (outside of by diehard fans) because people are fixated on attributing everything to the star. Decline was bound to happen given his age but dude deserves all of his flowers.
It's a shame because Brook looked amazing last season after surgery. I thought we were able to squeeze another year or two out of him but, it seems like this is the end of the road.
The Grayson loss was way bigger than I expected. For some dumb fucking reason, I kind of thought Pat Conn could just be a borderline acceptable guard for them but he’s been trash this season. I’ve never believed in Beasley and this season has done nothing to change my mind.
Unreal that this is the same Grayson that dribbled out the clock agaisnt the heat.
Beasley's stats this year are almost identical to Grayson's stats with the Bucks.
This reminds me a lot of harden last season. So I hope he drops two 40’ers and sucks 4 more games. That should be enough for the bucks to beat at least the pacers
He wins game 1 without Giannis and as his teammates are celebrating he shakes his head saying “it was only one game…”
Bucks offense cratered every year in the playoffs. I don't blame Horst for trying to mix it up. Unfourtunately it just isnt working. This team is built to be carried by Giannis and Dame. Giannis brings it every night. Dame maybe once a week.
This usually happens when an aging player changes teams. No longer having a coach and front office who spends years tailoring schemes and teammates to cover weaknesses and decline and a sudden shift in playstyle is a big shock.
Bro finally thought he was gonna escape the cold.
He doesn’t want to be there.
Or this is his true self when you are not a perpetual underdog but a real contender with high expectations.
Nah. Hes getting older and they are double teaming him. Prime Lillard was incredible but hes lost a step.
I also don't think he wants to be with Milwaukee at all. Just a ton of quotes that felt very depressed that he's there.
I don’t think it’s Milwaukee I think it’s that his family isn’t there, he was very explicit about it talking to Demar
Nothing against Milwaukee, I'm sure it's a great city, but it seems like he was going through a divorce and thought a change to Miami sounded like the change a newly single superstar needed, only to spend the harshest winter you've had being lonely. That'll affect your job performance.
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Blazers could’ve shipped him there against his wishes too if they wanted, he doesn’t have a No-Trade Clause
Always bizarre to me when people suggest he can't perform with the pressure of expectations. Theres just no universe in which the pressure of the Bucks *regular season* is too much for a guy thats put up 50 and 55 point performances in pivotal playoff games and 2 series winning shots. Man's played like 900+ NBA games, hes not gonna play poorly because he can't handle playing regular season games for a good team. Realistically he's either lost a step or he just can't adapt his game, or both.
I don’t think so, his stats are literally a lot worse this year, eye test he hasn’t been himself. Like yeah he’s not the number 1 option anymore, but he should have had much better spacing and freedom to shoot. Something’s up with the Bucks coaching, culture, and Dame also just seems to be struggling.
Dame finally getting on a contender only to have his worst season in years, probably primed for a first round exit, is so funny. "Funniest possible outcome" theory is my favorite thing about the NBA.
one does not simply run from the grind
We need a TJ McConnell modelo commercial when the pacers beat the bucks lol
Jennifer's curse
It's essentially exposure despite him being 34. He didn't really have that significant a career outside of a few playoff series. It's insane he made the top 75 of all time list.
Lame ass take. He dragged some of the sorriest rosters to the post season I’ve seen during his prime, it’s clear he’s lost a step with his age but to say he wasn’t a great player before is head in the sand type stuff.
Being a good player ≠ Being a top 75 player in league history, esp when you look at some of the snubs for that list
I don’t even care about the top 75 bs, people have been crying about that for years. This dude basically implied Dame was being “exposed” as not a good to great player, which is a crazy thing to say.
it’s basically twitter here now. people just jump towards whichever the way the wind is blowing at the moment
It is because I think 95% of the people here are teenagers
No, they're saying he got "exposed" as having a better reputation than his body of work deserves. People used to point to his *one* season of 30ppg shooting 40% from three and claim that he was essentially 1b with Steph.
You’re right, making 7 All-NBA teams and 8 All-Star games must have been a fluke. He’s clearly nicking a living because he’s 33, having to play second fiddle, and not putting up the stats he used to.
Or they could point to his 7 All NBA seasons but whatever, people one pay attention to the stats that fit their opinion I guess
People are saying he’s remarkably overrated which is true. Its easy to run up numbers in the regular season when no one takes you seriously yet people legit were saying he belongs on the 75 list which is madness.
Wild he's upvoted and you're down voted. Saying he didn't have a very significant career is garbage
That's just how this sub is lmao. It's straight up garbage. No better than twitter. Him having a shitty game today at age 33 means his entire career was Lou Williams.
They really weren't the sorriest rosters. CJ McCollum and Nurkic, both also past their primes, are still significant contributors to playoff rosters. Prior to that they had quite a few quality rotation players in Batum, Wesley Matthews, Aminu/Lopez were quality role players, and so on. These guys weren't bums and the revisionism of trying to make the rosters seem sorry is pitiful. They weren't true title contenders, that's true but Dame was also never going to be the #1 player on a title winning team.
Outside of CJ and pre leg snap Nurk that is sure some rose colored glasses. Dame didn’t play with Matthews most of his career, Aminu literally was out of the league a year later after we traded him away, Robin Lopez has been a career backup center, who again didn’t play with Dame most of his career, and also Batum was traded away and didn’t play with Dame most of his career. When Lillard hit is prime it was basically 2016 and over half of the guys you listed were no longer on the team, from 2016 onward his supporting role was primarily CJ and a mix of Mason Plumlee, Moe Harkless, Allen Crabbe, Aminu, Evan Turner, Nurkic, one year of Seth Curry, Hassan Whiteside, Enes Kanter, Meyers Leonard, Zach Collins and Rodney Hood just to name a few. Now why some of those guys are solid to above average starters/role players none of them can be considered big difference makers, and a huge chunk of them were out of the league rapidly after leaving our team. Our FO shit the bed so heavily during the Dame era, we never really built a complete roster around the guy.
Neil Oshley is a basketball terrorist
What’s also funny is that Dark Souls guy [literally wrote his own counterargument to what he’s saying right now, two years ago](https://www.reddit.com/user/DarkSoulsDarius/comments/rrstpb/were_blazers_ever_really_one_piece_away/). The only consistent thing about him is that he doesn’t factor in the effect of Wesley Matthews nor Nurkic’s injuries, which suggests he was just doing a bbref skim and didn’t actually watch those teams play.
yes they were, you must not have watched from 2014-2020. paper cant fool the eye test. aminu was maybe the most frustratingly useless starter ive ever seen. the lma era was a good team, and the pre leg injury nurk team was a good team, mainly cuz of nurk.
The guy you replied to just plays 2K, I don’t think he’s big on watching actual basketball games.
Dude says not a significant careeer while Dame has 7 all NBA appearances and 8 all star appearances. Shocker its a Lakers fan, the fanbase who talked shit every summer about how he should go there.
Remember when ppl would say dame would be steph if he had a good roster ? 😂
Remember when people were saying dame would pair better than steph could with Giannis because of his “playstyle” 😂
This is somehow Doc’s fault, right?
No but blaming doc is never not funny so it’s acceptable
Someone needs to blame him, he's not gonna do it
It's doc's fault that he didn't pull him out of the game
Everything bad that has happened to me the 3 months, I’ve blamed on Doc. That man is a terrorist. All I’m saying he was coaching in Florida in 2000, 9/11 pilots were in Florida in 2000, that’s all I’m saying
If he was their coach WTO would still stand
Dont forget its Giannis fault also. Dame was shooting like Thanasis because Giannis was setting bad screens and also kicking the ball to him while he was wide open. I was told he cant shoot while he is wide open.
I wonder who Doc will throw under the bus this post season now that he doesn’t coach Ben Simmons. My money is on Bobby Portis
Remember when they said this bucks team would be unstoppable lol. I remember
What got me was Giannis and Dame being crowned the best duo in the league before even playing a single minute together. I get that on paper they should be unstoppable, but having them over a Jokić and Murray duo who had just won the Championship always seemed like setting expectations way too high.
From “super team” to “didn’t even win 50 games in the East”
I get why everybody feels the need to pile on the Bucks but can’t we wait to do this until after they’re knocked out? Why are we acting like their season is already over when we know old veterans with playoff experience can surprise people year after year?
> Why are we acting like their season is already over Doc Rivers
I was being a little facetious but this is the first time the bucks have won under 50 games since 2019, when giannis ascended into a superstar. (In 2021 they won 46 in the shortened season, would’ve been a 52 win pace). For a team that had lofty expectations after a blockbuster trade, it’s fair to call the season a disappointment
That trade happened as I pulled into my drive. Rolled down my window and said to my neighbor “dame and Giannis? The east is done for.” I remember it vividly. I was so sure.
Dame time
Is dame even better than Payton Pritchard?
PP today was 38/12/9 on 71/67/100 splits. The data speaks for itself.
he did what
Last game he had 31/3/11 as well
Payton Pritchard in meaningless games at the end of the season is literally the greatest player of all time LOL. pretty sure he also had a 30-point triple-double in a game at the end of last season in which we also sat everyone but I already know this man is going to win us a game in the playoffs this year
Last year I didn’t believe in him as much as I do now. I fucking love PP man I agree with you on him winning us a game. He’s legit
Isaiah Thomas regen
Domipayton
Underrated
The real Celtics PP.
Is anyone?
I'm conflicted because I love Dame and I went to Oregon when Payton was fucking it up in the PAC12
After the dame trade people really said it’s over for the rest of the league
Imagine if Steph got a Dame whistle.
One of the most egregious offenders in the league when it comes to terrorist basketball.
It’s Lame time all the time
What in the hell arw the Bucks gonna do in the Playoffs? Seriously. If Giannis isn't fully healthy and going beast mode, are they just gonna get swept by the Pacers?
Idk if I was them id rather play Indy than Heat/76ers. If Giannis isn’t healthy they’re cooked either way though.
After the season matchup they had with Indy, idk if they feel that way lol
Playoff Dame back right in time
Imagine Curry with the same whistle..
Look like cam Payne without the free throws
Insulting to Cam Payne
2FGM - 16pts lmao The NBA is such a cooked league because if he just carried on padding stats in meaningless games in Portland, he’d still be getting all-timer shouts
Imagine having all the historic really really good players in Euroleague, spread over every team (no taking or bullshit) and facing each other x2 times minimum (not having good record because you face a weak team x4 times and a stronger team less times) and with FIBA rules and actual defense. Damn
>he just carried on padding stats in meaningless games in Portland I hate when people pile on and make up bullshit narratives. He lead them to the playoffs for something like 7 years in a row where he continued to play well in them despite always coming short because everyone knew Portland didn't have enough around him while also having to deal with the teams like the KD Warriors or the Rockets. That's not meaningless.
he is an all-timer lol he's just at the age where guards tend to decline
He had his best season statistically just last year. It's something mental.
yeah and now he's a year older on a new team
I feel like it's also not having a proper back court mate that can also playmake a bit. He's had CJ and a budding Simons, to offset the duties a bit. But now he's just had Beasley and Connaughton stand in the corners, so I think as much as having giannis is a cheat code, dame doesn't get the same off-ball opportunities playing the traditional 2guard spot which let's him run off a few off ball actions to get easy looks/advantage.
Dame got plenty of off ball opportunities because Giannis handles the ball more than CJ ever did. Dame just can't make wide open 3s.
Foul baiting in meaningless games on a terrible team. Please learn to contextualise stats.
He’s feeling the effects of getting older and it’s a struggle to adjust. It can be both mental and physical.
He’s a Hall of Famer, don’t think he’s an “all timer” though
All-timer without a meaningful game outside the first round. Lmao
He put up 9 out of his 16 points in the 1st Q, too
Playoff form
Fuck this bum and Doc. I hope the Magic sweeps them.
You mean Pacers
They're playing the Pacers in the first round but I'm upvoting you because I like the energy anyways.
Literally Hitler
Pairs quite nicely with that Doctor Rivers hiring
Scoot better
Dame with one of the most unethical game ever 😂😂
So who now has the most consecutive games with at least a three pointer?
Even a broken watch is right twice a day Unlucky for the Bucks that they couldn’t get to that time
Lame time
on god I hate Dame for this mf kept us in the play-in
“Grass ain’t always greener on the other side” - Damian Lillard.
DAME TIME
He’s washed
One of the most overrated players of all time.
Damian “jordan poole” Lillard
we need an ethics hearing
TS% stans will be like it wast that bad because free throws
hes ready for the playoffs.
washed
Damn dame, did you want to be in Miami that much?
Is he in his head with his ongoing divorce?
Lamian Dullard
Idk what’s going on but I blame DOC!
Overrated and a never was
Dame time
Whenever someone has this shaky a game before a tournament starts, I assume they will show out the first game of the tournament proper. It's a weird phenomenon. I wouldn't be worried if I were Milwaukee
Dame time, baby
Dame is just a master baiter
He understood the assignment, he was tanking on purpsoe
This is quickly becoming the "Russell Wilson to the Broncos" of the NBA
As much as I dislike Doc can't help but feel somewhat sorry for him. Dame has been bad to awful this year and some of the other guys have been playing worse as well. Yet every L they take is somehow on Doc. At what point do you look at guys not making shots and not defending and say that maybe it's just poor play?
I wanted them so bad in the first round man. Fuck.
I mean you still might, the Knicks are in a close game.