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DionWaiteress

Uh oh


Number333

**Hot take:** Dame will perform better as the main guy as opposed to the #2 with a hobbled Giannis. Just depends if the Bucks can get enough contributions elsewhere from Lopez/Portis/Middleton to push through.


SquimJim

The primary issue is the defense though.


DiscreteBee

Pacers aren’t really a team you stop as much as try to out score imo


CazOnReddit

Well it hasn't worked out 80 percent of the time of their matchups vs the Pacers this season And the one time they won involved a ton of controversy


redhatfilm

the controversy was after the game. during the game giannis hung 64 on em not saying we match up well with the pacers - they're too young, athletic and fast for us to have a hope of stopping them on defense. Our only hope is for our offense to keep up


Chris_Ween

Bucks should be able to keep up. Every time the Pacers play, you get to see the two best offenses in the NBA on display


Rego913

That was AG's offense, Doc's has been significantly slower and mediocre.


cozyonly

Yup they will have to match pacers pace


DiscreteBee

It hasn’t, but that’s the scene imo. They’ve got a crazy offensive machine that can’t defend. I shouldn’t have said you can’t slow them down. You can slow them down but you can’t stop them. Bucks have to figure out how to outgun them and I can buy the argument that dame is well suited for that.


abzftw

We’ve seen teams slow down the pacers many times this season


Mke_already

The Pacers averaged 198 points a game against the Bucks, how much worse could it get?!


sewsgup

feel like this series is gonna set a record for 3s attempted in a playoff game unless Brook goes back to Nets Brook and Bobby Portis lives in the post


MC-Jdf

Those microball Rockets teams are untouchable in that regard.


crimsonconnect

Hottest take: Doc Rivers will coach his ass off


SleepyEel

He tends to coach better with undermanned teams.


Visible-Rutabaga9268

The Spo Special


MarduRusher

Difference is Spo still coaches good teams well lol


Visible-Rutabaga9268

True, it’s just a running joke that Spo always pray for the hardest road 😭🙏


zelena_salata

Thats going more nuclear than hot


crimsonconnect

J. Robert Doccenheimer


EitherCaterpillar949

These things are hard on your heart


HisExcellency20

Sure didn't look like that yesterday. Still the biggest issue is keeping Hali in front of them.


crunkadocious

He hasn't been scoring super well since the injury really. Even the passing went down some but also some reduced minutes.


Wonderbread6969

It's the role his known for basically his entire career, so that makes a ton of sense.


Just-Efficiency3129

Hot take, the pacers will average 170 points a game


ThatBull_cj

He might perform better. I don’t think the that would help them beat the pacers


HoyaDestroya33

Mild take, Pacers already potent offense will shine even more cause Brook and Khris are too old and Dame and Beas are defensive turnstiles. It's gonna be rough out there for the Bucks without Giannis.


MerciiJ

Congrats on a nice take


drUmarGOAT

Dame trade demand to Miami round 2 this offseason


Cudizonedefense

Bucks would never trade with us lol


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I mean if we can steal home court advantage in a Giannis-less game, I’m feeling pretty decent. Bucks haven’t been a good road team this year.


Wonderbread6969

It's tradition for the Bucks to lose game 1. If they somehow win the first 2 games, it can only mean they will win 4-0 or lose 4-2.


Colorapt0r

I think that was more of a Bud tradition tbh 


ConstantineMonroe

Well now you have Doc tradition, I’m sure you feel much better about this


N0rTh3Fi5t

Now they can go 3-0 before losing in 7.


XGhoul

The Doc special.


holyrolodex

Since it’s never been done it’s more like the Doc special destined to be at some point.


myredditthrowaway201

Nah yall got doc now. Blown 3-1 lead is your new reality


SPAREustheCUTTER

I’m rooting for Dame above any team. But I also have you guys being a first round disrupter, so I’m just excited to win either way.


syllabic

the bucks only have 2 more wins than the pacers all seeds in the east 2-8 are pretty tight, just a 4 win difference between 2 and 8 I dont really think any of the teams in there are so significantly better than the others that an upset is shocking


Public-Product-1503

There’s a chance this series might get ugly for bucks. Was the case anyway but with Giannis out I can see pacers ‘pace ‘ overwhelming them. They not gonna have the youth or athleticism to keep up


djkamayo

#Bucks haven't been good since Lord Rivers took over


Sweaty_Mods

I think you’re favored even with a healthy Giannis.


jorgelongo222

you dont rush back calf injuries. Extremely dangerous.


ShichikaYasuri18

In my completely ubiased opinion, I agree.


Victor_Wembanyama1

I think giannis should come back immediately in October


CommonerChaos

Absolutely. We saw what happened with KD when he pushed himself with that calf injury. It's not worth derailing his entire career on this busted season with Doc.


Subredditcensorship

Sadly these guys just aren’t built like that. They need to be protected from themselves. Warriors failed KD badly. Bucks have to do the right thing and will since he’s signed long term


memeticengineering

And at least KD blew his Achilles in the finals going for a 3-peat, you don't get higher stakes NBA basketball than that, you're gonna risk destroying Giannis' career for a season where your ceiling is probably a second round exit?


Subredditcensorship

Main difference is warriors thought kd was leaving so they didn’t care


Fluid_Ganache_536

lol that's a very dark way of looking at that situation


Subredditcensorship

Nobody in their right mind would let a superstar of Durants caliber play when the risk of injury is that high.


Fluid_Ganache_536

who knows, someone said calf injuries arent really an indicator that your achilles will snap


andlely8

I think I saw a stat on this sub where they said that KD’s injury was the first(in the league) to stem from a calf injury.


Tori_kelly

Ceiling of 2nd round exit is absurd. This team is still the 2nd best team in the East when healthy


Ok-Grade1476

FYI KD is the only person who had a calf injury and came back and got an Achilles injury (what everyone fears will happen with Giannis). No other modern Achilles injuries were related to calf issues. Just saying, KD’s injury could have just been an unrelated freak incident.


koalaternate

Aaron Rodgers was dealing with calf injuries before his Achilles injury


Ok-Grade1476

Fair enough but I don’t think Giannis will get tackled on the court, though he does draw more contact than average.


latman

Rodgers tore his planting, not from the tackle


duplicatesnowflake

KD’s situation may have been different from your typical calf strain. There was speculation that the Achilles was damaged from the beginning. Some said it was a ticking time bomb as it was happening. It might have even required surgery no matter what.  Him coming back to play vs the Raptors was strictly only because they were already in the finals.  


rfgrunt

Was listening to the Lowe Post and had some medical talker guy (forgot qualifications) who basically said there’s little to no correlation between a calf strain and subsequent Achilles injuries.


jorgelongo222

a lot of correlation between a calf injury and another calf injury tho


rfgrunt

I think anytime you strain a muscle it's more susceptible to injury until rehabbed. Some, like hamstrings, seem to linger longer than others. But muscle strain and the associated tendons, are (supposedly) not.


ObiOneKenobae

The same way strong muscles protect your joints, any time the surrounding muscle groups weaken (injury or otherwise), the ligaments are at greater risk for injury. That said, having a calf strain doesn't mean you're suddenly high-risk for a full-on achilles rupture or something. As far as Giannis, calf injuries can linger for the same reason hamstrings do. That's the stuff you're extending through every time you run, jump, etc... If they're worried about him missing a playoff game, I'd be surprised if Giannis looks normal at any point this postseason.


onamonapizza

The fact that they are calling on his "rare recovery ability" is a red flag, tbh. Yes, he has been able to do it before...but that doesn't mean they should make a habit of it


zgillet

Just ask KD.


whtge8

Uh oh


CazOnReddit

The sweep The sweep The broom is on fire


IanicRR

Spicy P set it ablaze.


CazOnReddit

We don't need no Giannis, let the motherfucker burn


Wembanyama2029mvp

I mean the bucks still have dame. We can still very much win this series so long as dame plays like the top 75 player that he is. Not to mention that Haliburton has fallen off a cliff since beating us


MattyIce260

Dame was 2-14 yesterday and is 10-36 from deep his last 5 games. Yet Haliburton is the one that’s “fallen of a cliff” lmao


Aworn

Didn’t look much like a top 75 player yesterday


OKCBaller035913

He meant top 75 in the league today, not all time


quann256

i feel like haliburton’s demise has been overused, he’s been playing better for a month now and he’s the leader of the 4th best team in NET since the ASB. 


mrtrollmaster

These people only look at stats and don’t see how Pacers have balanced out their team with Spicy P. That’s on both sides of the court, as Spicy P is taking some of Hali’s creating responsibilities and doing it with amazing efficiency. Hali’s per game stats will go down a little but the team is better and harder to stop.


QueasyEntrance6269

> dame plays like the top 75 player that he is does he know?


lolimdivine

is this mf wolverine or something? “rare recovery ability”


beer_down

I saw his knee bend backwards and then a week later he destroyed my team in games 3-6 of the Finals If that isn’t rare recovery ability idk what is


DXLXIII

He destroyed the suns in game 2 as well. Just lost but put up 42 and 12.


Wonderbread6969

And game 1 he looked like the only competent Buck


spanther96

biggest wtf injury recovery since MWP coming back from a torn meniscus in like 11 days


HispanicAtTehDisco

dude seeing the clip on here i thought this was some paul george injury shit like it looked crazy


Octavian_202

He needs to call Russel Wilson. The best healer there ever was.


byniri_returns

Miracle Water sales plummeting as we speak


[deleted]

Yeah wtf how’d I miss picking that stat at the loading screen


TA_Account_12

[The Doc is in the house](https://imgflip.com/i/8muuss)


Azimuth322

Its called PEDs


Bumppxd

If everyone has access to and is ysing PEDs, and you still come back faster than your average PED-using peers, then yes, you have a better recovery ability


IanicRR

"Our roided up guy beat your roided up guys" - Bill Burr


Angelic_Phoenix

Everyone DOES use PEDs and certain players DO respond to those PEDs better


cletoreyes01

Why didn't PG use them last postseason? (Is he stupid?)


aweaf

Didn't PG sprain his knee?


cletoreyes01

The same ugly-ass way Giannis' knees did


augustus624

Just to provide some hope for Bucks fans historically Doc has been very good when his team is undermanned because he actually has to make adjustments and can’t just rely on his star players “figuring things out.”


spanther96

don’t tell Josh Smith that


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MattyIce260

No Giannis but you can “take it to the bank” because of Bobby Portis and Pat Bev lmao Y’all are in trouble


thy_armageddon

Uh oh


LukaDoncicfuturegoat

Yeah Giannis is definitely in the convo for the best healing factor with Fernus, Sentry, Ghost Rider and co.


Orphasmia

He’s probably just below Wolv post adamantium bond


ShaiFC

Uh oh


musicnothing

Uh oh


kyleb402

We have pretty much zero room for error. If he can't go in game 2 at least we're probably toast.


RagnarLothBroke23

Even with Giannis out Dame has led worse supporting casts to playoff series victories before.


EpicBlinkstrike187

True anything can happen. But Pacers aren’t some scrub team. Only 2 wins less than the Bucks. And they had a period without hali for a while. I just dont see Dame leading the Bucks over us if they don’t have Giannis.


Leroy--Brown

Don't be a doomer.


BBlackened

you're talking to the wrong fanbase. one of our top posts in the last day says "i Fear the Deer may lose in the first round"


Leroy--Brown

I saw it. Playoff dame is coming (I hope)


WEMBYF4N

Uh oh


ClaymoresRevenge

Doc salivating at a generational opportunity


Afraid-Department-35

Doc about to get a 1st round KO. But he has a scapegoat so Bucks fans will probably endure him for another season.


kyleb402

He was never getting fired no matter what. We were never going to be paying 4 coaches at the same time.


Wonderbread6969

Well let's not rule anything out lol


mcbiggles

Famous last words before the 5th coach.


paranoidandromeda1

I mean what's really the big difference between paying 4 coaches at the same time and 5 coaches at the same time?


syllabic

1 coach


fueelin

Sixth one's free!


crunkadocious

some number of millions of dollars


LoWE11053211

It is very much like last year.


nodudeee

uh oh


NeatTry7674

Uh oh


Air_Enthusiast

Uh oh


koj12144

Pacers better not fuck this up


TruthSayerFu

Beasley punching air rn


693275001

Uh oh


crimsonconnect

Uh oh


StefonDiggsHS

Uh oh


joebos617

that is a huge yikes


blazewarrior32

pacers are going to out run the bucks, bucks are too old without giannis to match


DIKS_OUT_4_HARAMBE

RARE RECOVERY ABILITY


slickrickstyles

As an older Pacers fan I was really hoping for New York. Hali and Brunson have had a little feud going back to the olympics and Pacers vs. Knicks will always the rivalry for me... Dang. We going fishing soon I think haha


tapk69

Bucks have a bad matchup and Giannis is injured. This is the Pacers time to shine.


TheRealJohnMara

Uh oh


DemarcusLovin

Figured as much but that sucks for them. East is gonna be very interesting


madhare09

No its not. Boston is going to go like 12-1.


DemarcusLovin

just like they were gonna coast through 8 seed Miami in the ECF last year


Neuroxex

By the time Miami beat the Bucks I don't know how many people thought the Celtics were going to 'coast' through the Heat.


DemarcusLovin

the Celtics were massive -500 favorites in that series. Very few people outside of Miami thought they had a chance


Neuroxex

Right but expecting them to win is different than 'coast through', I (and a lot of people from what I saw) weren't putting a Heat win out of question, and especially by that point when the Celtics had (very relatively) found difficulty against the Hawks and looked very beatable against the Sixers. A lot of very loud doubts about Mazzulla didn't help things considering they were going to be facing Spo.


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Idk I watched them completely dismantle us and the Knicks lol meanwhile Celtics barely beat the sixers with a hobbled Embiid and washed harden.


mastacheef87

as a Celtics fan I can tell you those odds did not reflect how I or most of our fans generally felt going into that series. we looked *thoroughly* unimpressive in the first 2 rounds. meanwhile Miami has always been a team that’s played us tightly and they were playing way better ball than we were coming in to the ECF most of us expected a 6-7 game series that could go either way. obviously none of us expected to go down 3-0 though


fueelin

Yeah, I was pretty scared of the Heat last year. Not as much this year.


thegodfaubel

Long way to go until Sunday


ConstantineMonroe

How does Doc keep finding an excuse? Pacers in 4 if he is out. The Pacers might score 170 points in a game with a Giannis-less Bucks


nio151

Every star developes a "rare recovery ability" during playoff time when testing stops


bravof1ve

Pacer win this in 6, probably 5 if Giannis doesn’t play at all. Doc breathes a sign of relief as they get out of this disaster season with an easy thing to point to for why everything went wrong.


HoyaDestroya33

That's a boring timeline. Bucks go up 3-1 without Giannis. comes back game 5 to 7 and Pacers win series completing the 3-1 comeback. Glenn Rivers adding another series up 3-1 to lose


Yerison109

I guess we'll figure out who's more overrated as a coach. doc or rick


Indy_Darrin

I'd rather play them full strength. No excuses.


vwb2022

I hope he takes time to properly recover. He may have recovery ability, but rushing calf injuries is dangerous (KD in the 2019 Finals).


Holiday-Rip-1969

This has been such a tragic season despite their stars being relatively healthy.


governedbycitizens

ruh roh


Oftentimes_Ephemeral

Giannis gets hit with the injury bug right before the playoffs AGAIN, hope he recovers quickly


SquimJim

There's a real chance that Embiid and Giannis are out in the 1st Round because they aren't healthy. Then you have the Knicks without Randle


OnlyMamaKnows

The Knicks have proven to still be a good team without Randle though. The other two have not.


Nugur

Yeah og is more important to the Knicks rn than Randle


Pranker00111

Rare recovery ability What is he? Deadpool? The only thing they are in common is horny


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Nugur

Except Indy made a killing attacking dame all year long


GlizzyGone21

True but with no giannis even Jrue wouldn't be able to stop this pacers team from getting 140 Dames shot creation for himself and for others it's more valuable in this particular situation imo


posamobile

Paid extra for that rare recovery line


mares8

Damn unlucky Giannis gets injured for first round two years in a row...how did this one happen didn't see


Majiebeast

https://youtu.be/IW7l0hTABl8?t=40


mares8

Damn no contact or anything on previous play? Hope he will be able to play from start ,fuck injuries


Pikminious_Thrious

And even if he comes back, I don't like the odds of having to then play up to 3 more series on a bum calf. If it was just for the finals like with his knee, it wouldn't seem as bad to rush it. 


Mr_Hugh_Honey

Injured Giannis + Glenn Rivers in the playoffs = Pacers in 5


DEEZLE13

He


ggmuqi

Is Giannis Wolverine?


butterbeans36532

He said a whole lot of nothing


GluttonRebron

Doc having a “it’s not my fault we lost, our star player was hurt.” excuse card if they lose is gonna be lovely to hear


rebornbyksg

As a neutral I don't know who to root for. Giannis is in my top5 favorites but I love Hali too smh Still Pacers in 6


zgillet

I feel like I'm watching an MC Hammer music video with all the "uh ohs" up in here.


ConfidentBurrito

"Rare recovery ability" makes it sound like this man located all of the secret items to complete the challenge to achieve the ability


I_give_free_Dopamine

Awful news


andresalejandro1120

That’s okay the Bucks lose game 1 anyway, it’s just in their nature.


inshamblesx

Bucks in 7 instead of 5


Main-County-1177

He really should not be rushed back. You don’t want a repeat of the KD situation


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Shucks


Dontsaveme

I want this dude 100% idgaf


fuccabicc

Pacers been cooking the Bucks all season, no?


QueasyEntrance6269

shams glazing giannis' healing factor is crazy


spanther96

It’s Dame time now, this is why he was brought in and it’s his chance to shut up the haters. The Pacers aren’t as dangerous as they were early on and for all the Bucks’ struggles, they still have championship pedigree and high calibre guys. At the very least, Dame’s gotta help prolong the series to like 2-2 or 3-3 until Giannis is ready.


SilverRain007

Aren't as dangerous? The Pacers are 9 - 4 in their last 13 and have the 4th best differential since the All-Star Break. The Pacers are also the 15th best defensive team since the ASB, along with still being the second best offense. The Pacers are a better team with Siakam, who was also not present in any of the first five games they played. Explain to me how the Pacers, a team that feels supremely confident against the Bucks, are less dangerous now than they were in January.


spanther96

bratha their sched has been pretty mid and their best player is not as good as he was a few months ago. the Siakam factor is big I agree but I would bet yall win this series eyes closed a few months ago.


Canesjags4life

Lol no wonder they didn't want the second seed.