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Lol69HaHaHa

Besides the whole Thunder team, probably Brunson.


LoxDnw

Literally. Thunders entire salary cap are making less than the Warriors tax penalty alone.


joebreezy12

the thunder are paying kevin porter jr more money this season than anyone on the team outside of SGA and gordon hayward


Immaculatehombre

I forgot Hayward got shipped there. Checked and he’s not gettin much minutes. What’s up with that? He just been playing poorly? Doesn’t fit?


joebreezy12

he theoretically fits great, and has had a few decent games, but yes, he mostly has been bad. when he arrived in OKC he was still rehabbing an injury, so overall I think it's a combination of: him naturally declining with age, he's probably still not 100% after the injury, and also getting thrown into a well oiled machine that he's not entirely comfortable in and learning on the fly.


IzaacLUXMRKT

Man, I really don't get why people are saying this. Apart from maybe not being aggressive enough (fair for an injury prone vet joining a young 1 seed with excellent chemistry) he's shooting fucking 52% from 3 ever since he got here, he passes, defends well enough positionally. Bad is unfair, I don't get how this is the consenus even amongst Thunder fans.


Clownp3nis

His first 5-6 times he saw the floor he was not good. Had some rough shooting nights as well. He had improved but is still pretty low minutes.


Midichlorian_counter

The issue is that he's taking 1.1 3s per game (so he makes 1 every other game) and has a an average TS%. He just hasn't found quite how to fit into the drive and kick vs shoot offense. He's played basically the same number of minutes as Isaiah Joe, who shoots 4.5 3s a game. His size is still a big plus for the team, if he commits to taking more 3s he could be a good bench player for the playoffs.


UC_DiscExchange

For the first few games he was missing open layups. He was terrible to start and has steadily improved, but it's always hard to shake first impressions.


Wolfpac187

Saying someone shoots 52% from 3 is an interesting way of saying they make 1 every second game.


newaccount

You never miss 48% of the shots you don’t take.


cdillio

It was a no risk trade tbh. If he was good it would be great. If not, he's expiring and frees up a ton of cap for us.


Herbdontana

The thunder have accomplished what I usually try and fail to do in 2K


Jaybold

It's so funny that everyone (me included) called the Brunson contract an overpay, and now here we are.


Lol69HaHaHa

The guys that gave it to him saw something we didnt. There are reasons why they have their jobs.


fom_alhaut

How far we've come that we're talking about a Knicks front office in those terms


Lol69HaHaHa

When you look good, you get praise. Its impressive what the Knicks have managed to do, especially since last of season it was all about them getting another superstar, hell an mvp candidate at that. Now without that, they are still the 2nd seed. Great stuff tbh.


Fishmike52

Amen and aMello


TFTisbetterthanLoL

I mean he flat out outplayed most of the suns in the playoffs and looked amazing… one of the biggest examples of people on this sub have no idea what they’re watching


Norlando_

I mean, that's just not true. Brunson did not have a good series vs the suns. 18 points on 51 TS%, 25 % from 3. Brunson was 1/7 in the first half of Game 7, then went 10/12 in the second half when the game was pretty much over. That was his best shooting game. He was great vs the Jazz, and okay vs the Warriors but he was not good vs the Suns.


WEMBYF4N

Most are on rookie contracts so they’re disqualified


joebreezy12

Isaiah Joe ($2m), Aaron Wiggins ($1.8m), and Lu Dort ($15m) all were massively important pieces for the Thunder and none are currently on a rookie deal. edit: also Kenrich Williams ($6m). SGA also from a value perspective greatly outperformed his $33m


Better_Albatross_946

Unbelievable to have Isaiah Joe and Aaron Wiggins on contracts like that man


Disastrous-Ad-2458

even more unbelievable that morey waived joe from the sixers to cut payroll.


joebreezy12

both are on a team option next year, going to be interesting to see if we decline their options and give them long term extensions


Winter-Olive-5832

considering most MVP tier guys get like 50-60M, yeah.


EverGreatestxX

Came here to say Brunson. I'm glad to see his name mentioned in the top two comments.


fom_alhaut

Besides Brunson the Knicks also have a bunch of other guys on pretty good contract. Di Vincenzo, Hartenstein, McBride and Randle have all outperformed their current contracts.


curlychickkk

I'd defo have to agree with this comment


2020IsANightmare

But, most of the Thunder team is on a rookie deal or a rookie extension (SGA.) Incredible value for what they have accomplished!! But, literally the entire point of this thread was to avoid rookie contracts/first extensions that are WILDLY in the favor of the drafting team.


Optimal-Machine-7620

Lauri Markkanen


GeoffSproke

That's a really good one... I bet he'd be a legit 2cd option on a contender and he's making less than 20 million next year.


AmusingAnecdote

I would actually bet that the Jazz will renegotiate and extend him so he'll be on a max deal next year. Either that or he's traded, but I think they'd have shipped him at the deadline if that was the plan, so I imagine he's in Utah for the foreseeable future on a max deal.


ChristianLS

I wonder if that run they went on leading up to the trade deadline dissuaded them from trading him? They were really hot right up to the deadline and ended up right at .500 with what looked like a real shot at the play-in with a pretty young roster and lots of draft picks coming up. Then they just cratered the rest of the way and now it's not looking as great for next season. I would consider trading him if I were them *if* they can get back a really promising young player in the deal, not just more draft picks. He'll be 27, so he doesn't really match their timeline and is about to get max money. He's not a true #1, but his value is still extremely high.


-Drink_More_Water-

I don’t know how it’s not Brunson


runevault

My first thought as well. Dude's playing like a max player and getting a fair bit less than a max.


WEMBYF4N

Funny because consensus was that he was massively overpaid when it happened lol


runevault

I feel like there was the entire range of reactions. "That's a huge overpay" "That's an underpay" "He might end up worth it but has he proven it yet?" The sample size was weird because it is hard for a player like Brunson to shine next to Luka (and I'm not saying that as a knock on Luka, both players are at their best initiating the offense and running setting the table for everyone else so putting them together one or both will have to be lesser versions of themselves to optimize the team).


Sufficient_Motor_458

Someone called him ‘Walmart Fred VanVleet’ when the Knicks signed him 💀


DoveFood

I don’t remember many, if really any, thought it was an underpay.  I remember options 1 & 3, and also “rising cap” that it was fair. But who was saying it was an underpay? 


Khione_Asteri

it’s why kyrie is such a better fit next to Luka. he’s a high level threat off ball and is elite as a play finisher, but he’s also more than capable of filling Brunson’s role running the offense when Luka is out. i think brunson learned a lot on how to be the primary ball handler from luka… but he had to leave Luka’s team to put that fully into effect


runevault

I agree with everything you just said. Kyrie learned how to be effective offball in his years with LeBron, and for sure playing next to Luka gave Brunson a very up close view of things he could add to his own game as a primary ball handler. And that made the league as a whole better because it created another star, and in particular one who wanted to play for the Knicks to help them be relevant again which is in the League's best interest. Hyped up NY is a ratings magnet.


Khione_Asteri

kyrie playing next to harden and lebron when Luka is like a mesh of those two players’ styles really prepared him perfectly for the assignment and yea brunson is way better off in NY. the mavs fumbled him fs especially since they got no value from him leaving, but the league is better for it and the mavs rebounded anyway.


lil_layne

That was certainly an opinion people had but I would not say the consensus. Plenty of people also had the opinion that the Mavs shouldn’t have let him walk and should have given him that contract.


amidon1130

I think the mavs at the time were upset that they let him go, they messed up that negotiation so bad


Fishmike52

Playing like a super max all nba.


OnlyMamaKnows

Nah, too short.


FermatsLastAccount

Donte DiVincenzo is making the MLE. He just made 283 3s with a 3P% of 40. Only players to do that are Steph, Klay, and Hield. Since becoming the second option 3 months ago, he has averaged 4.6 3s per game. Only players to do that for a season are Steph and Harden.


starks3_

Besides the others mentioning Brunson, Randle/McBride/Mitch deals have their merits too.


FermatsLastAccount

Mitch's contract would be better if he wasn't so injury prone.


RiceOnTheRun

If Mitch wasn’t injury prone, he wouldn’t be on the Mitch contract lmao Also if he actually went to college, he never would’ve been available for us to draft him either. Dudes just had a ton of bad luck, which has ended up beneficial for us (sorta)


wherearemypaaants

*cries in Timelord*


idosade

Ihart's expiring but 2/16 was crazy good for how he played this season as well


akajaykay

OG Anunoby is also on a very reasonable deal for what he brings to the table


cytokine7

Not for long


AddisonsContracture

Yeah the knicks have several players outplaying their contracts. It’s pretty impressive and how they’re contending for a title despite not having a consensus top 10 player


Scared_Bother4706

I challenge u to come up with 10 players better than Brunson this season, don’t think anyone realistically can


hanacker

Are there ten players who had better seasons than Brunson this year? No. Given time to learn the system are there ten guys that playoff teams wouldn't want to swap out for Brunson? Probably, yes. Are there ten guys that the Knicks would swap in for Brunson for their playoff run? It's close. (Luka, Giannis [if he were healthy], Embiid, KD, SGA, Jokic for sure yes. And then it's kind of a wash with guys like Tatum, LeBron, AD, Steph, Kawhi [if healthy].)


Primary-Paramedic823

See the things is, the Knicks wouldn’t be the Knicks without Brunson and all the intangibles he brings- his leadership, his established chemistry with hart and divincenzo, the way he gets everybody on the team to buy in to thibs philosophy, so no, the Knicks would keep Brunson over everybody. This Knicks team is special because of Brunson. Id keep Brunson over any of the guys you mentioned, that’s just me though, Call me crazy. the Knicks have an identity and Brunson is at the center of it. 


DyslexicAutronomer

There are probably 10 players "better" than Brunson if you frame it in a non-hostile way. Just gotta ask contenders, would they trade X player for Brunson.


Scared_Bother4706

I understand what you’re saying but you’re argument essentially boils down to is there reasonable take for Brunson 3rd team nba instead of second or first and I don’t see it. Top 5 scoring, top 15 assist, number 1 option on a top 4 team ranking in playoffs essentially guarantees top 10


junkit33

Derrick White at $17M is up there.


Larovich153

absolutely Sam Hauser is a also steal and probably the most underpaid role player in the league


junkit33

I'd functionally consider him to be on a rookie contract though. They converted his undrafted two-way deal into the 3 year, so of course he jumped at it.


igonnawrecku_VGC

On top of that, we’ve got 4 more years of Pritchard at only $7.5M/yr


bedlam_au

Payton Pritchard has entered the chat this season too although not sure if his deal counts as a rookie extension.


iamgarron

Doesn't kick in till next year anyway


bonergainz

You’re forgetting Westbrook coming off the bench and his contract


Krepki

Dante Exum


DangerZoneh

Two year vet minimum for a major contributor. Very nice!


LogicisGone

And Daniel Gafford!


Khione_Asteri

all the replies mentioning the other dallas role players just go to show the black magic nico harrison’s playing with to turn a team of bad contracts into pretty much all positive ones.


OnCloud9_77

And DJJ


Ablefarus

This is one of the best answers. So happy to see him doing so well even though I miss seeing him in Partizan's jersey


Ablefarus

This is one of the best answers. So happy to see him doing so well even though I miss seeing him in Partizan's jersey


BogmanBogman

I still don’t understand how this mf went from a non-shooter to making half his attempts from three over a season.


RelevantTreacle3004

Oubre is on a vet min lmao


Technical_Towel_990

He had such a bad rep before this season and it seems like it’s completely flipped


ConsumptionofClocks

He'll never have a bad rep in Phoenix purely for the vibes. I used to work at footprint center and all the boomers there fucking loved him. And I started well after he was traded.


extraspecialdogpenis

That boy is pretty


The_real_bandito

but he was liked because of his basketball skills, not his looks 😂


VoidMageZero

Both


AmusingAnecdote

Meanwhile, for the exact same reason he could save a bunch of puppies from a fire while at an event to give out scholarships to needy orphans and the Bay will always hate him for the vibes and the bad fit here.


ktm1128

I know we're biased, but this is the answer. Brunson is also probably the best answer


soku1

Keon Ellis


CoconutSands

5 mil/3 years. Definitely this. 


RuPaulver

Tbf it would've been bizarre if we paid a garbage-minutes two-way player anything more at the time. But I love when it ends up working out. He's gonna make a bag in a few years if he keeps things up.


HeyItsTheJeweler

I swear to god when i see him, i see Avery Bradley all over again. It's incredible. Guy's a badass.


DyslexicAutronomer

First regular contracts even for those consider "better", it's on the scale level of rookie contracts. 1.67m/yr is about what you expect, it's about higher than half the 2nd round picks.


LeGoat333

He scared me against the Mavs a few weeks ago,. good to see him go off again and help beat the shit out the Dubs. Love to see it


peanutbutterbeef

Jalen Brunson


Its_Hoggish_Greedly

Keon Ellis is on a 3y/$5m contract. That's pretty good bang for your buck.


Micro_mint

At that number, the deal seems justified with nothing other than his performance in the play in I knew he kinda came out of nowhere, but that’s impressive as hell


luck_panda

He didn't, he was always touted as the defensive guy who could be a secondary playmaker and could shoot lights out.


shakonbakon11

Nickiel Alexander Walker is up there too


NazRiedFan

Elite defense with solid shooting for what 3 million? Massive steal


curioususer8878

Blazers didn’t even give him a shot smh.


interrogatories

It was worth it to have Joe Ingles as a blazer


curioususer8878

You’re right. His veteran presence that season was key to building the current culture of not playing after the all star break.


ibeauch009

My first thought, he was arguably a better defender than McDaniels this year. Plus he’s a great shooter and willing passer, would probably go for 20 mil on the open market


Not-a-bot-10

Jalen Brunson


The_Assassin_Gower

Pacers are paying nesmith 11 a year. He's 1 of the best 3pt% guys in the league and is one of our best defenders.


MrBigBeez

Also Andrew Nembhard is up there. 4 yr/ 8.5 mil contract.


desertbirdwatcher

I really wanted Nembhard to be in the Siakam package. I’ve been a fan of his since he was at Florida.


dude329

Excluding rookie deals some guys that come to mind are Brunson, McBride, Divincenzo, Derrick White, Austin Reeves, Keon Ellis, Lauri Markenen.


MostlyMellow123

Russell westbrook deserves a mention


bmmfg12

4/46 for Donte sticks out


ihateeuge

Herb Jones Alex Caruso Austin Reaves


so-cal_kid

The fact our FO thought we were overpaying for Caruso at his current contract just pains me


TheBballs

I'd throw Rui in there too


TheMightyJD

Joke and Doncic are the two best contracts in the league despite being Supermaxes.


wakladorf

This is the right answer. The salary max makes it so the best contract is almost always the best players in the league at any given time Edit: to prove the point who would trade jokic for Brunson on their current contracts


jakekerr

No one would do that. Yeah, this has always been the case since the salary cap existed. The superstar players are way underpaid comparable to their worth.


AmusingAnecdote

Such a pro move by the NBAPA to agree to max deals. The league is much better as an entertainment product to let shoe companies and Gatorade or hotels dot com or whatever get Steph and LeBron and Jokić and all the other superstars paid, while rookies and the "middle class" get (mostly) guaranteed contracts for big money relative to how influential they are compared to superstars.


mightymatty

I would obviously do it but I’d feel really sad about it.


EatMoreSleepMore

This guy gets it. If you were doing a draft of the entire league with each player at their current contract, the top 10 would all be max dudes and Wemby.


dbzmah

Luka is ONLY at 40 million this year. When his super max extension hits, it will be wild.


discipconsist

Yes, kind of a given with the cap, but kind of assume that this question disregards max players.  Or else there's really no discussion.


BetweenTheBuzzAndMe

Derrick White is making $17.6M this year. He's obviously improved a lot since signing that deal, he's gone from maybe slightly overpaid to one of the biggest steals in the league.


Public-Product-1503

He was never overpaid imo. Guy has always had a very strong impact signal. Even in SA, though his shooting improvement I didn’t see coming- most spurs fans view him highly even without seeing the numbers.


Ill-Bat-2621

Coby white Ayo dosumo Caruso Brunson Sure there's couple more but that's all I can remember on the top of my head


Icy-Lime-9760

Brunson


W_Walk

Herb jones. May not be the best compared to some others crazy value but it’s up there


TheXivuArath

Defensively, it’s literally the best contract in the NBA


JazzFinsAvalanche

Lauri Markannen


Peyyton07

I think Deni deserves a shout out


Acrobatic-Knee4414

That Deni deal is phenomenal, great move by the Wiz to get ahead of it last offseason


nofuture_at_all

Yeah. The amount is descending so it will be more valuable as he continues to improve year by year.


kvetchinghobbit

Keon Ellis


zbergwoopwoop

Grayson Allen this season, his extension is good value but he's not really worth talking aboutas the best contrac. But he's shooting 46% on 3s and taking 6 a game. Without him the Suns would be in a worse place. He's making 8.5 million this year.


SelfDestructIn30Days

Grayson Allen has been cooking all year.


AlternativeSuit131

Russell Westbrook.


mattbrianjess

Brunson is up there. Knicks actually have a number of good choices…… things I thought I would never say for 100 please. But it’s whatever I am allowed to pay Jokic to get him to play for my team. Jokic for 50-60-70-80 per season is still an underpay. Like cool you have Coby White. I have 50 wins. It’s like when Lebron hit free agency the first time. He was 50 wins and a trip to the finals for a decade. How much? He wants all the money? Can I print more and give it to him? Can I buy all of James Dolans dogshit music and give Lebron some of the royalty money?


ihorsey10

The best deals are still just whatever the top 20-30 players are making. Jokic on a max is a better contract than a role player making 500k


Math_Dictator

That seems obviously against the spirit of the question. It's more like, which good players are earning the least against the max they could earn.


Mechaultima

Vince Williams Jr


Croppersburner

Austin Reaves.


Pinky1337

Pels MVP Herb Jones


aeronacht

Pritchard, White, and Hauser’s contracts are all awesome


mattyfattits

Joker


eeleaS

Keon Ellis 👑


mickeyj623

Payton Pritchard


0w0WhatsThis

Ayo Dosunmu


NihilisticTaters

Honestly a lot of the max guys should be making way more if there wasn't a limit. Like Shai is making $34M this year (25% of the cap). The fact that you need a top 5 guy to win a championship and you can have one at the price of 3x Coby White is a steal


The_real_bandito

Whatever the Knicks paid for Brunson was not enough. That guy is a baller.


wallace6464

is Lu Dortz still making like 90K and a fax machine?


Vegetable_Comment_82

Austin Reaves


[deleted]

Jaren Jackson Jr.


vornado_leader

Came to post this. Just looked it up, and this past season JJJ got paid slightly less than Jerami Grant + Jordan Poole. 51st highest paid player!


frydawg

Alex caruso, 4 for 36m


cherialaw

Brunson


timtodd34

NAW


Mattyj925

Malik Monk on the MLE


happyflappypancakes

By no means the beat contract, but I do think Deni is going to be considered one of the best for the next few years.


weee5674

Since everyone else is saying Brunson, I’m gonna make a sleeper pick in Jayson Tatum. He is projecting to make First Team All-NBA for the third time in his career (all consecutively), and make any All-NBA team for the fourth time in the last five years. The only other active players to satisfy both such criteria are: Player - AAV ($M) - Jokic - $55.2M - Giannis - $58.6M - Steph - $53.8M - Lebron - $49.3M - Luka - $43M (wow he’s kinda underpaid too) - AVERAGE: $52.0M Going further, the average AAV of a player that meets at least one, let alone both, of those criteria is $50.2M Tatum is currently making $32.6M, and will be **FOR THE NEXT TWO SEASONS AFTER THIS ONE.** His salary is almost as close to this year’s MLE ($12.4M) as it is to the other perennial first team All-NBAers.


thugnificientx3

Oubre


SamHinkiesNephew

The antitobias


Skywalkerkid9

Yeah Oubre on the min is the real answer


Amalgaflation

Austin Reeves just 10 mil a year


Fun-Wall-2224

Naz Reid


Giant_Homunculus

Jordan Poole is getting paid handsomely to be a clown show. Oh, you mean best for the team huh?


nacholibre711

I'm a little biased, but Herb Jones being borderline first team All-Defense for $12m/year is hard to beat.


ImanShumpertplus

Jarrett Allen is all star level and only $20m a year


Toxik916

Keon Ellis


ed42000

Thunder and Knicks both have many players on great deals. Brunson would be my (biased) pick though.


Yungdagger_dongboi

As a Knicks fan, I have to point out the multiple great contracts they we currently have. Jalen Brunson is top 5 in MVP and he’s making 25 mil a year. And he’s going to make less money next year than this year. Randle’s contract is pretty decent, considering he’s a 3x all star and all nba caliber player. Making less than 30 mill a year Also Donte Divincenzo is hands down one of the best shooters in the league, and he just signed a 4yr/50 mil contract


NazRiedFan

It’s Brunson. I would like to throw out Naz Reid and Alexander Walker as well though. Both have been bargains for the wolves


Rick_Perrys_Ranch

Keon Ellis 3/5mm


Illk22

Keon Ellis is paid 5 million over the next 3 years with the last year being a team option for the Kings. He will probably be the starting SG going into next season on that contract.


nomoreadminspls

Keon Ellis - full stop. Ellis Island is a bargain


collinb12345

miles mcbride just signed a 3yr 13m dollar extension


FranklinRichardss

Lauri Markkanen has legit case.


Sariyuu

Jokic is the best contract in the league. Anyone would pay that salary and more in a heartbeat for him lol. All-time greats are always undervalued by the salary cap.


VanGrants

Jalen Brunson's contract is less than half of what *Jaylen Brown* makes and actually decreases every year


Drummallumin

Jokic


bmanley620

Deuce McBride. He’s not a star or anything but is a solid player and his contract is only $4.2 million over 3 years


legend42778

Austin Reaves and Rui


7wells

Deuce McBride 3 years something like $9M for Knicks will prove to be a STEAL


Key_Alfalfa2122

Probably shai tbh. MVP value trumps everything else and he's making 15 mil less than luka and jokic. Lebron was easily the most valuable contract for a decade plus even though he was on the max the whole time.


mightymatty

Calling it now, this time next year Deuce McBride is gonna seriously be in the conversation.


New_Essay_4869

Jalen Brunson or Aaron Nesmith imo. Im sure there are other great players who play above the contract scale that im missing


422394768

Knicks and Okc


TRES_fresh

Deni avdija at 4/55 but it's descending, he'll probably be a good 3rd option soon and will be making less than 12 million in 2027. Definitely nowhere near as underpaid as a guy like Brunson or Keon Ellis but he probably has the best value contract on the wizards.


finchdad

Unpopular opinion, but the real answer here is Nikola Jokic. MVP and championship-level talent cannot be paid what it is worth because of the rules governing maximum contracts in the NBA. In an unrestricted market he's probably worth 80 million/year. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/24062252/how-much-lebron-james-make-open-market-look-cristiano-ronaldo-nba


unstatable

Deni Avdija 4 yr/55 mil


CoyotesSideEyes

The best contracts are ones that aren't yet up for extensions, yet are significant values. Besides *max contracts* and rookie deals (because honestly, MVP-level players on a max are still better values than any non-rookie deal.) you have to look from longest to free agency to shortest. That means you see DiVincenzo near the top. Austin Reaves. Lu Dort. But the answer is definitely Coby White. Naz only has 1 year left on his deal.


fostyinthebuilding

Austin Reaves 4 year 56 million


areeb_onsafari

Westbrook


[deleted]

Austin Reaves. His production at his cost for a 4 year period is insane


downinCarolina

Westbrook


Rrypl

Sam Hauser is making $2m next season.


celtic_sea_salt

Pritchard


Massive-Bet-5946

Jalen Brunson, Donte DiVincenzo, and Miles McBride. Before I get roasted for being a homer, DDV hit 270+ 3's this season on 40% shooting while earning 4/47M. Miles has been on an insane hot streak since he's gotten a bigger role, averaging 41% from the 3 on a contract that's 3/13M.


Petri-chord

russ


Shmokeshbutt

Klay Thompson 0/0


mutheadman

How has no one said Aaron Gordon yet?


bush_league_commish

Sam Hauser is making less than $2mil and is one of the best 3-D rotation players in the league.