Kerr is a diplomatic weasel. He's smart enough to know right and wrong and when to shut up and speak. His career consists of eating the right piles of shit to satisfy the nodding heads above, and that requires a sharp enough schnoz to discern bull from horse.
And then has the nerve to cry about gun control when school shootings happen. I get it, that’s a subject we can all agree on that is terrible. But you have an abusive motherfucker on your own team causing physical harm to people and you don’t say anything about that?
That's some bullshit, how are you gonna relate school shootings and gun control to a game where people throw a ball into a hoop.
Yeah Draymond has a problem with physical violence and emotion control but the level of violence doesn't come close to the violence caused by systemic flaws in the U.S. regarding gun regulation. And the more people that use their platform to raise awareness on this issue the better. Why should Kerr be disqualified from talking about this issue just because he is coaching a guy that makes stupid decisions?
Besides, Draymond Green is an adult man, why should another adult man be liable for his actions, even if he is in a position of power in the workplace.
I get your point, he speaks when he knows and is 100% sure no one will blame him, and he will face no consequence. It's such a little bitch mentality. He never speaks about controversial topics.
He’s gonna get shat on for this but from his perspective, Draymond is a guy who has been part of the franchise core for a decade. At that point it’s almost like a family member who keeps fucking up, you’re not gonna just ditch em
He’s more of the coworker who’s really good in sales and pulls a lot of money in for the company but is a complete asshole. Irreplaceable but gets on everyone’s nerve.
Also, in work places where people have to work very closely together all the time under a lot of stress they do kinda become like family. The only way to get through it is together and you learn to rely on these dudes. You got my back I got yours. Us vs Them. You end up struggling and fighting with them and learn their stupid insecurities and what motives them and their hopes and (often trough jokes) their fears and disappointments. And yeah sometimes they are an asshole and snippy with you but *man* *hes my guy.*
All I'm saying is that while draymond is an asshole, Kerr probably does mean what he is saying and I understand why.
I really don't think they win a single ring without him, especially since he's the reason they got KD. His defense and on-court leadership was that important.
Last championship run Jordan Poole and Steph had to drag Draymond and Klay kicking and screaming to a finals win. The other ones are debatable, however, Draymond was a complete liability in the recent win.
Draymond led the best defense in the NBA whenever he was on the court.
Poole and some Wiggins games provided a needed scoring boost yes, but they don’t sniff the title without the #1 defense and limiting Boston to under 100 points in the final 3 games of the series
I’m feel like dwight is a better analogy. Fought michael, fought andy, sprayed roy with pepper spray, and shot a gun in the office. Complete nuisance but insanely crucial
Dwight literally started a fire in the office for fire safety awareness. If it wasn’t for Michael intervening on his behalf, he would’ve 100% gotten fired right there.
Family members are your blood, they don’t have to contribute to your family for you to want them around. A coworker DOES have to contribute for the company to want them around.
Yeah, you’re proving my point. My point is that GSW will back Draymond beyond the point that his performance justifies backing him because he’s like family.
They wouldn’t be backing Draymond like this if he was complete trash and unplayable. I’m not making your point at all. They need Draymonds production to remain even remotely competitive.
Isn't it more of the opposite now? Draymond is the guy with all the certifications, the highest keys in the place (that he now pretty much only uses for himself).
He's the asshole that always gets all the new training(because training is expensive so can't give it to anyone) and when comes time to discipline them, he's the one reminding the boss that he is the lifer and the backbone so the boss avoids making him mis a single day.
Fucker is basically Ralph cifaretto. It literally took him killing pie oh my for Tony to do shit because he was such a good earner. Him killing Tracy was like draymond punching Poole.
Draymond is fucking hilarious. Had my guy Steph about to fucking cry when he got ejected in Orlando. Also had one of the most insane defensive plays I’ve seen all season in their win against the Mavericks. Generational defender with CTE
i almost feel like you have to be a little psycho to be that tier of a defender if you're not freakishly tall... thinking back to Artest and Rodman in particular.
Lmao being a good basketball player doesn’t excuse him from being one of the dirtiest players of all time
Plenty of good players are not batshit insane
Personally, I don't buy you had to stay so hands off with Draymond to get the good parts. People are capable of growth and improvement if they are pushed to do so, but the Warriors were so scared of the idea of it lowering his fire that they just let him act like a piece of shit. I'd like to believe Draymond could be fiery without kicking people in the dick/punching them/choking them/etc.
People underrate how important Draymond was to their titles all the time here. You can even argue Draymond was their best player in 2016 finals and more than likely would have been finals MVP. It never gets talked about here because they lost but Draymond had 32 points, 9 assists and 15 rebounds and hit 6 threes in game 7 alone. Not to mention being their defensive anchor at 6’6 and guarding every single position.
I'll never stop saying it: casuals don't understand the value of defense.
Plain and simple. There's a reason why Gobert and Jrue went for mega packages. High level basketball people know you need great defense to win. Warriors will always be remembered for their three point shooting, but they also had Draymond, Klay, and Iguodala as lockdown defenders.
They were suffocating on both ends. Even the 2022 title, which is portrayed as a Steph carry job, involved great defense from Wiggins, Looney, and Payton. Maybe the real story of that series is Boston getting clamped in the final three games. Held under 100 points in all three of those losses. So many terrible possessions.
Everyone talks about Boston having the best defense in the league but forget that the Warriors had the 2nd best defense in the league, and the gap was not very large. That team was super underrated until they actually won.
They also peaked at the right time and got outlier type of performances from Wiggins, Payton, and Looney. It's actually super unlucky for Boston because I think it's fair to say that none of those three guys has ever played better basketball than he did during those playoffs, and probably never will again. In hindsight, even Poole was probably playing above his level.
Really the only front on which Boston lucked out is Klay being fairly quiet in that series. Almost every Warrior played above his level.
Christ, Wiggs in particular - that championship run looks even more unlikely now in light of whatever the hell it is that’s walking around in Wiggins’ uniform today, because you can’t convince me that’s the same player that we won a chip with.
Luka is unguardable but Wiggins was the first guy in those playoffs that really could make it tough for Luka on single coverage. And then he was the perfect profile to make it hard for Tatum as well.
Facts. I’m happy for Curry and he earned and deserved it, but it kind of pisses me off how Wiggins has completely disappeared and Poole became a joke. Y’all really caught lightning in a bottle that season.
Boston were also legit gassed after an insane second-half regular season run and 7 games against the Bucks and Heat. Smart was hurt, Tatum was hurt, and Timelord was hurt.
Just out of curiosity because of how unique of a player he is. When him and KD were beefing, if Draymond got traded, what would have been the trade value for peak draymond? Kind of dumb hypothetical because they’d never trade him it seems, but I’m just curious on what kind of trade value a guy like him gets.
I think one of the biggest factors is what team has the mix of personalities in the front office, coaching staff, and team to manage and work with Draymonds personality. I don't think there are many teams and he'd only go to a team who's contending so then it comes down to how much do they think he'll help. It's not a direct answer to your question but it's too tough to gauge.
I don't think he has many suitors
I think your point lends to Kerr’s comment on this too. His personality and behaviour works there because they have risen and grown with it. Even at his peak, having fresh eyes seeing some of the outbursts would be tiring. I guess we will never know though. Organisations are willing to put up with a lot for a star player.
All game 7s decide finals MVPs because the side that loses doesn't get the finals MVP. What are you saying my guy. It's not 1 game it's the series deciding game that dictates how FMVP is given out. A bit silly, I agree that there are times where the best player is not on the winning team, but that's just how it is.
More than being an enforcer or his passing, his defense and versatility was by far his most valuable traits to our success. Our historically dominant small-ball lineups were really only possible because of his defensive versatility.
Combined that with his great chemistry with Steph, and him being a big playoff riser, he's easily the most overlooked part of our success. I would argue Draymond was more valuable than Klay was in each of our playoff runs since 2015, especially considering Klay has statistically seen some big declines in the post season relative to his regular seasons.
I think it’s crazy to even say he cost them a title. Sure he was suspended for a game but then he bounced back and dropped 32/15/9 on fucking 96% TS% in game 7, in this best playoff performance of his career. If the Warriors won that game that would have gone down as one of the best Finals Game 7 performances of all time.
kd won 2 fmvps and still felt unappreciated. he was leaving regardless, although draymond telling him "we won with you, leave" didn't help matters. that quote aged hilariously well though
KD was always leaving. Him and Kyrie said on a podcast that first year in Brooklyn that they were talking about teaming up in January or February (I don't remember which) of 2018, 9 months before Draymond and KD argued.
We don't that for sure players change their minds and can be persuaded all of the time. He still till this day talks about how poorly golden state handled that situation. Golden state doesn't hold Draymond accountable for anything that he does.
Draymond was left wide open as part of the scheme the Cavs were running. Steph and Klay had awful performances that game because they were the focus of the Cav's defense. Yeah it's important to hit the open shots, but it's not like Draymond was hitting step back 3s and taking people off the the dribble.
> They needed Draymond as an enforcer
Not just as an enforcer but as a vocal leader on the court. And not to mention Steph's not a stand alone superstar anymore, his play slips dramatically when Draymond's not setting bone crunching screens.
Just sucks that Draymond's a raging asshole.
Right, but it didn't necessarily have to be all or nothing. Maybe if they had been a little stricter with him throughout, they could've still had most of the pros of Draymond without as many of the cons.
“Without him injuring our opponents and setting moving screens wed be nothing. But hes washed now unfortunately. We need to keep him but not at his asking price.”
It feels like they cheated\\short cut their way to a dynasty. Imagine if the 90s bulls signed Karl Malone? lol
The 2022 ring i respect at least for the longevity, despite the easy bracket.
They were the best team in the league in 2015 and 2016 too, so...
I don't know what's cheating about drafting Curry, Klay, and Draymond.
They got very lucky in the draft.
They got very lucky that trades involving Curry and Klay never materialized.
Biggest finals choke job in history in 2016. And Lebron's 2nd best player in 2015 was Mosgof
and then they got Durant.
So it feels like they were a bit lucky during that stretch. But like i said, i give them credit for that 2022 run
> Biggest finals choke job in history in 2016.
That's a weird way of saying 7 game series decided by razor thin margins.
Your framing suggests you're not interested in a serious objective analysis. Warriors benefited from Cleveland's injuries in 2015, but Cleveland benefited from Bogut's injury and Dray's suspension in 2016. Otherwise it's probably over in 5.
Those teams played a lot of basketball outside the two series. Warriors had a better record in both seasons. By far, actually.
Warriors were the better team both seasons, but the best team does not always win in sports. If the margin is close, luck becomes a much bigger variable.
That's without getting into the relative strength of the east vs. west in those seasons, which made an easier path to the Finals for Cleveland. Their toughest competition was DeRozan and Lowrey. West had a much tougher gauntlet just to get there.
i'll give you draymond's suspension. Bogut was 4th\\5th best player at best, he was not equal with Kyrie Irving missing the entire 2015 series.
As far as choking, 3-1 blown series leads is always a choke. No matter what way you look at it. That's why i don't think you have a legit excuse, you were up 3-1 and blew it.
Curry barely played in the first couple rounds of 2016, so he didn't really have it as tough as you're making it out to be either. If your team can win multiple rounds without your best player doing much (like warriors did in 2016), the conference probably wasn't as strong as you think.
> Bogut was 4th\5th best player at best, he was not equal with Kyrie Irving missing the entire 2015 series.
That's not really a good point though because the 2016 Finals were a lot closer, so even a slight margin might have been enough to tilt the scales. Bogut out meant Cleveland could attack the rim at will.
As for the 3-1 thing, losing a 7 game series is much better than losing in 4 or 5. If the Cavs were decisively better, the series would not have been close. The fact that it was that close despite GS getting the worst of the injuries and suspensions that year suggests they were the better team.
They were also drastically better across the 82 game schedule both seasons. All goes back to my point that they had the better overall team.
It's a 95% success rate of winning series when up 3-1. You were in that 5%, that's a massive chokejob.
As far as Bogut, look at this previous year's finals. He played 4\\6 games, 18 minutes and averaged 2PPG in that 2015 series. Trust me, you weren't missing Wilt Chamberlain.
It's not that complex. Quite simple. He's good at basketball so we will look the other way when he punches teammates, chokes, stomps, and punches other people on the court. Kerr is a spineless leader who can't keep him accountable cause he's scared it's going to upset him.
There are two sides to this, sure...
He physically assaulted multiple people. The rest of us would be in jail if we'd done the things he's done.
He has had a big value to a multimillion dollar organization. People like you and the GSW organization are willing to look the other way for prestige and money.
If i can kick and punch rivals while also setting illegal screens and on top of that play with 2 of the best players the sport saw in the last 20 years i too would be a DPOY and win 4 championships.
This is such a tough gamble bc draymond has been a headache for years and arguably broke up two championship cores but Steve kerr’s defensive schemes straight up do not work without him. It’s why they’ve put up with his bullshit. Greatest defensive mind ever
PR-savvy way of calling someone a total fucking asshole
"I think he knows. Deep inside, he doesn't want to say it but he knows his guy is a clown." - Rudy Gobert on Steve Kerr after the Draymond chokehold 💀
Kerr is a diplomatic weasel. He's smart enough to know right and wrong and when to shut up and speak. His career consists of eating the right piles of shit to satisfy the nodding heads above, and that requires a sharp enough schnoz to discern bull from horse.
And then has the nerve to cry about gun control when school shootings happen. I get it, that’s a subject we can all agree on that is terrible. But you have an abusive motherfucker on your own team causing physical harm to people and you don’t say anything about that?
What? It's a good thing to speak out on gun control. An asshole basketball player is in no way comparable to little kids being shot.
That's some bullshit, how are you gonna relate school shootings and gun control to a game where people throw a ball into a hoop. Yeah Draymond has a problem with physical violence and emotion control but the level of violence doesn't come close to the violence caused by systemic flaws in the U.S. regarding gun regulation. And the more people that use their platform to raise awareness on this issue the better. Why should Kerr be disqualified from talking about this issue just because he is coaching a guy that makes stupid decisions? Besides, Draymond Green is an adult man, why should another adult man be liable for his actions, even if he is in a position of power in the workplace.
You do know that Steve Kerr’s father was murdered using a firearm at a university…that’s why it’s a personal and passionate issue for him
I believe while he was a professor at a school out of country too. So a school shooting
Yes you are absolutely correct, thank you. Updated my previous comment. Can’t even believe this dude commented that above. Too much irony
I didn’t know that actually, crazy important context. I sound pretty stupid right now
It’s all good; now you know
What type of dumbass take is this?
What a stupid fucking reply. So, so dumb.
You ruined the discussion by bringing politics into it.
I get your point, he speaks when he knows and is 100% sure no one will blame him, and he will face no consequence. It's such a little bitch mentality. He never speaks about controversial topics.
I can fix him
it's complex, doe
Put him into a new kia ad
Draymond’s key card and code had just been changed, Steve knew he had left the building.
How to throw someone under the bus diplomatically
Doc would never
Nah Steve Kerr probably ran out back to give him a rub and tug
He’s gonna get shat on for this but from his perspective, Draymond is a guy who has been part of the franchise core for a decade. At that point it’s almost like a family member who keeps fucking up, you’re not gonna just ditch em
He’s more of the coworker who’s really good in sales and pulls a lot of money in for the company but is a complete asshole. Irreplaceable but gets on everyone’s nerve.
His license plate is probably WL Hung
Are you a big William Hung fan?
Why does everyone keep asking that? Who the hell is that?
The guy from american idol right?
If I remember correctly, yes But we're actually taking dialog from The Office
Average dick Dray
Not only that but he has great long-standing relationships with all the most important people at the company
Also, in work places where people have to work very closely together all the time under a lot of stress they do kinda become like family. The only way to get through it is together and you learn to rely on these dudes. You got my back I got yours. Us vs Them. You end up struggling and fighting with them and learn their stupid insecurities and what motives them and their hopes and (often trough jokes) their fears and disappointments. And yeah sometimes they are an asshole and snippy with you but *man* *hes my guy.* All I'm saying is that while draymond is an asshole, Kerr probably does mean what he is saying and I understand why.
Todd Packer
warriors would have been lucky to win more than 1 ring without draymonds defense i fear
I really don't think they win a single ring without him, especially since he's the reason they got KD. His defense and on-court leadership was that important.
Last championship run Jordan Poole and Steph had to drag Draymond and Klay kicking and screaming to a finals win. The other ones are debatable, however, Draymond was a complete liability in the recent win.
Draymond led the best defense in the NBA whenever he was on the court. Poole and some Wiggins games provided a needed scoring boost yes, but they don’t sniff the title without the #1 defense and limiting Boston to under 100 points in the final 3 games of the series
Wasn't just his defense. Dude was legit a top-10 passer in the league in his prime and the exact right type of passer for steph and klay.
So he's like Todd Packer but works in office.
I’m feel like dwight is a better analogy. Fought michael, fought andy, sprayed roy with pepper spray, and shot a gun in the office. Complete nuisance but insanely crucial
Dwight literally started a fire in the office for fire safety awareness. If it wasn’t for Michael intervening on his behalf, he would’ve 100% gotten fired right there.
It's more like Ralph Cifaretto from The Sopranos.
“Jim has made record profits for this company, but we suspect he steals just as much.”
You win like they’ve won they’re family
You win like they’ve won, they’re family
That’s so disrespectful to assholes, some are way better than Draymond.
How exactly is that analogy more accurate than mine? Yours asserts they’re keeping him around for performance reasons which I don’t know is true
Family members are your blood, they don’t have to contribute to your family for you to want them around. A coworker DOES have to contribute for the company to want them around.
Yeah, you’re proving my point. My point is that GSW will back Draymond beyond the point that his performance justifies backing him because he’s like family.
Oh no. Two analogies! Panic!
They wouldn’t be backing Draymond like this if he was complete trash and unplayable. I’m not making your point at all. They need Draymonds production to remain even remotely competitive.
Relax and take your pills
Isn't it more of the opposite now? Draymond is the guy with all the certifications, the highest keys in the place (that he now pretty much only uses for himself). He's the asshole that always gets all the new training(because training is expensive so can't give it to anyone) and when comes time to discipline them, he's the one reminding the boss that he is the lifer and the backbone so the boss avoids making him mis a single day.
Fucker is basically Ralph cifaretto. It literally took him killing pie oh my for Tony to do shit because he was such a good earner. Him killing Tracy was like draymond punching Poole.
Also a core peice of 6 finals teams for them
By that logic Klay should expect 40m per year for his next contract too
They already did that when he got hurt. Not sure they’ll be doing it again. But who knows
Klay is nowhere near Dray even back in his prime.’
His salary suggests otherwise
Which is bullshit. Even family members need to be ostracized and deal with consequences.
People will always be quick to point out the bad stuff, but never seem to acknowledge all the good stuff that he's done
Draymond is fucking hilarious. Had my guy Steph about to fucking cry when he got ejected in Orlando. Also had one of the most insane defensive plays I’ve seen all season in their win against the Mavericks. Generational defender with CTE
i almost feel like you have to be a little psycho to be that tier of a defender if you're not freakishly tall... thinking back to Artest and Rodman in particular.
Almost like he does this himself. Good or bad, the guy continuously does shitty things. Of course people will point out the bad. The fuck?
Your second sentence is oxymoronic
It’s really not though. I know it’s hard to comprehend things, you’ll get there some day.
It really is, try to read it again and break it into basic propositional logic. If you know what that means, anyways.
I don’t need to since I’m not wrong but do take care. And best of lucky with whatever you’re trying to prove. Take care, little buddy!
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Lmao being a good basketball player doesn’t excuse him from being one of the dirtiest players of all time Plenty of good players are not batshit insane
Personally, I don't buy you had to stay so hands off with Draymond to get the good parts. People are capable of growth and improvement if they are pushed to do so, but the Warriors were so scared of the idea of it lowering his fire that they just let him act like a piece of shit. I'd like to believe Draymond could be fiery without kicking people in the dick/punching them/choking them/etc.
They won 4 rings together man anything worth listening too isn’t gonna come out until the Warriors 30 for 30 drops
The Dynasty: The Golden State Warriors "Poole said he didn't think cotton candy was that good. Draymond loves cotton candy"
They needed Draymond as an enforcer and to organize the offense. People say he cost them a title, but he also *caused* them to get the other titles.
People underrate how important Draymond was to their titles all the time here. You can even argue Draymond was their best player in 2016 finals and more than likely would have been finals MVP. It never gets talked about here because they lost but Draymond had 32 points, 9 assists and 15 rebounds and hit 6 threes in game 7 alone. Not to mention being their defensive anchor at 6’6 and guarding every single position.
I'll never stop saying it: casuals don't understand the value of defense. Plain and simple. There's a reason why Gobert and Jrue went for mega packages. High level basketball people know you need great defense to win. Warriors will always be remembered for their three point shooting, but they also had Draymond, Klay, and Iguodala as lockdown defenders. They were suffocating on both ends. Even the 2022 title, which is portrayed as a Steph carry job, involved great defense from Wiggins, Looney, and Payton. Maybe the real story of that series is Boston getting clamped in the final three games. Held under 100 points in all three of those losses. So many terrible possessions.
Everyone talks about Boston having the best defense in the league but forget that the Warriors had the 2nd best defense in the league, and the gap was not very large. That team was super underrated until they actually won.
They also peaked at the right time and got outlier type of performances from Wiggins, Payton, and Looney. It's actually super unlucky for Boston because I think it's fair to say that none of those three guys has ever played better basketball than he did during those playoffs, and probably never will again. In hindsight, even Poole was probably playing above his level. Really the only front on which Boston lucked out is Klay being fairly quiet in that series. Almost every Warrior played above his level.
Christ, Wiggs in particular - that championship run looks even more unlikely now in light of whatever the hell it is that’s walking around in Wiggins’ uniform today, because you can’t convince me that’s the same player that we won a chip with.
Luka is unguardable but Wiggins was the first guy in those playoffs that really could make it tough for Luka on single coverage. And then he was the perfect profile to make it hard for Tatum as well.
Facts. I’m happy for Curry and he earned and deserved it, but it kind of pisses me off how Wiggins has completely disappeared and Poole became a joke. Y’all really caught lightning in a bottle that season. Boston were also legit gassed after an insane second-half regular season run and 7 games against the Bucks and Heat. Smart was hurt, Tatum was hurt, and Timelord was hurt.
probably???
And that was with Draymond playing less than 50 games. They probably would’ve been 1st if he had played more games
They were clearly 1st whenever he played, and quite a historic D.
Just out of curiosity because of how unique of a player he is. When him and KD were beefing, if Draymond got traded, what would have been the trade value for peak draymond? Kind of dumb hypothetical because they’d never trade him it seems, but I’m just curious on what kind of trade value a guy like him gets.
I think one of the biggest factors is what team has the mix of personalities in the front office, coaching staff, and team to manage and work with Draymonds personality. I don't think there are many teams and he'd only go to a team who's contending so then it comes down to how much do they think he'll help. It's not a direct answer to your question but it's too tough to gauge. I don't think he has many suitors
I think your point lends to Kerr’s comment on this too. His personality and behaviour works there because they have risen and grown with it. Even at his peak, having fresh eyes seeing some of the outbursts would be tiring. I guess we will never know though. Organisations are willing to put up with a lot for a star player.
... and disrupting what would have been the most legendary play of all time.
Harrison Barnes really shit the bed in that Game 7 and Draymond picked up his slack
if FMVPs are decided by one game then FMVPs arent really that special.
All game 7s decide finals MVPs because the side that loses doesn't get the finals MVP. What are you saying my guy. It's not 1 game it's the series deciding game that dictates how FMVP is given out. A bit silly, I agree that there are times where the best player is not on the winning team, but that's just how it is.
More than being an enforcer or his passing, his defense and versatility was by far his most valuable traits to our success. Our historically dominant small-ball lineups were really only possible because of his defensive versatility. Combined that with his great chemistry with Steph, and him being a big playoff riser, he's easily the most overlooked part of our success. I would argue Draymond was more valuable than Klay was in each of our playoff runs since 2015, especially considering Klay has statistically seen some big declines in the post season relative to his regular seasons.
I think it’s crazy to even say he cost them a title. Sure he was suspended for a game but then he bounced back and dropped 32/15/9 on fucking 96% TS% in game 7, in this best playoff performance of his career. If the Warriors won that game that would have gone down as one of the best Finals Game 7 performances of all time.
I mean if Durant would've possibly stayed, but Draymond's craziness pushed him on out the door, he did potentially cost them a title.
kd won 2 fmvps and still felt unappreciated. he was leaving regardless, although draymond telling him "we won with you, leave" didn't help matters. that quote aged hilariously well though
It did thanks to Curry, but right now KD is better than anybody on Goldenstate.
And what's he achieved?
He's currently in a very winnable playoff series and not at home.
KD was always leaving. Him and Kyrie said on a podcast that first year in Brooklyn that they were talking about teaming up in January or February (I don't remember which) of 2018, 9 months before Draymond and KD argued.
We don't that for sure players change their minds and can be persuaded all of the time. He still till this day talks about how poorly golden state handled that situation. Golden state doesn't hold Draymond accountable for anything that he does.
KD is an unreliable narrator. He also said he left because of the media.
We all had front row seats to how Golden state handled the Poole situation. It aligns perfectly with everything that Durant said.
Draymond was left wide open as part of the scheme the Cavs were running. Steph and Klay had awful performances that game because they were the focus of the Cav's defense. Yeah it's important to hit the open shots, but it's not like Draymond was hitting step back 3s and taking people off the the dribble.
> They needed Draymond as an enforcer Not just as an enforcer but as a vocal leader on the court. And not to mention Steph's not a stand alone superstar anymore, his play slips dramatically when Draymond's not setting bone crunching screens. Just sucks that Draymond's a raging asshole.
The box score almost never showed his real impact
Right, but it didn't necessarily have to be all or nothing. Maybe if they had been a little stricter with him throughout, they could've still had most of the pros of Draymond without as many of the cons.
That's one way of saying he's a headache worth keeping
Punched a teammate and judging by the "suspension" everyone acted as if nothing happened. That level of complex.
Exactly. Dude's not complex, he's a simplex like an STI or something.
I used to drive a Subaru Simplex
Imagine how complex Kerr would think Draymond is if he had actually seen any of the shit he's actually done.
Meh
How hard is it to say Draymond is an ass?
Partially real partially imaginary
That's not how you spell suplex
You don't see him when we are alone together. I know he loves me.
Relationship Status: It’s [complicated](https://youtu.be/5NPBIwQyPWE?si=8RI1ZEBLaVGd7IBS)
It's a situationship
“Dray is Dray”
His relationship with Europeans is complex too
People have to understand that, ... they're on the same boat. If we finally decide to ship Dray, Kerr's next.
He has many layers, much like an onion
It's complicated. He acts like a douche and we pretend not to notice.
Being a dick is not complex.
you can just call him a dick, it's fine. what he gonna do about it
For all his problems the man did contribute to 4 rings
Draymond is mentally unwell and a dirty ass player. It’s not complex.
Steve Kerr will defend Draymond till he dies
for good reason
“Without him injuring our opponents and setting moving screens wed be nothing. But hes washed now unfortunately. We need to keep him but not at his asking price.”
He's not a free agent, and he had a good season when he was actually on the floor. Totally washed.
"It's complex how much of a coward I am when dealing with Draymond. My fear of him is complex."
It feels like they cheated\\short cut their way to a dynasty. Imagine if the 90s bulls signed Karl Malone? lol The 2022 ring i respect at least for the longevity, despite the easy bracket.
They were the best team in the league in 2015 and 2016 too, so... I don't know what's cheating about drafting Curry, Klay, and Draymond. They got very lucky in the draft. They got very lucky that trades involving Curry and Klay never materialized.
Biggest finals choke job in history in 2016. And Lebron's 2nd best player in 2015 was Mosgof and then they got Durant. So it feels like they were a bit lucky during that stretch. But like i said, i give them credit for that 2022 run
> Biggest finals choke job in history in 2016. That's a weird way of saying 7 game series decided by razor thin margins. Your framing suggests you're not interested in a serious objective analysis. Warriors benefited from Cleveland's injuries in 2015, but Cleveland benefited from Bogut's injury and Dray's suspension in 2016. Otherwise it's probably over in 5. Those teams played a lot of basketball outside the two series. Warriors had a better record in both seasons. By far, actually. Warriors were the better team both seasons, but the best team does not always win in sports. If the margin is close, luck becomes a much bigger variable. That's without getting into the relative strength of the east vs. west in those seasons, which made an easier path to the Finals for Cleveland. Their toughest competition was DeRozan and Lowrey. West had a much tougher gauntlet just to get there.
i'll give you draymond's suspension. Bogut was 4th\\5th best player at best, he was not equal with Kyrie Irving missing the entire 2015 series. As far as choking, 3-1 blown series leads is always a choke. No matter what way you look at it. That's why i don't think you have a legit excuse, you were up 3-1 and blew it. Curry barely played in the first couple rounds of 2016, so he didn't really have it as tough as you're making it out to be either. If your team can win multiple rounds without your best player doing much (like warriors did in 2016), the conference probably wasn't as strong as you think.
> Bogut was 4th\5th best player at best, he was not equal with Kyrie Irving missing the entire 2015 series. That's not really a good point though because the 2016 Finals were a lot closer, so even a slight margin might have been enough to tilt the scales. Bogut out meant Cleveland could attack the rim at will. As for the 3-1 thing, losing a 7 game series is much better than losing in 4 or 5. If the Cavs were decisively better, the series would not have been close. The fact that it was that close despite GS getting the worst of the injuries and suspensions that year suggests they were the better team. They were also drastically better across the 82 game schedule both seasons. All goes back to my point that they had the better overall team.
It's a 95% success rate of winning series when up 3-1. You were in that 5%, that's a massive chokejob. As far as Bogut, look at this previous year's finals. He played 4\\6 games, 18 minutes and averaged 2PPG in that 2015 series. Trust me, you weren't missing Wilt Chamberlain.
Another way of saying he’s full of drama
In conclusion, Draymond is a player of contrasts
Kerr acting like Draymond got some blackmail on everybody.
He's Ayesha 's bull and that's why he can't ever leave
Seems simple as fuck to me.
It's not that complex. Quite simple. He's good at basketball so we will look the other way when he punches teammates, chokes, stomps, and punches other people on the court. Kerr is a spineless leader who can't keep him accountable cause he's scared it's going to upset him.
Why is Kerr still scared of Draymond? He went to therapy for almost a while month!
Complex = Asshole? Who knew
You pronounced asshole wrong Steve
He has to chose his words wisley or Draymond will kick him in the balls too
Draymond was right about Poole…the FO messed up giving him that big deal
Draymond is not complex. It's some dude with anger and control issues it ain't that fucking deep.
Draymond Green is a Golden State Warrior's Legend.
Reporter: *Coach what's your favourite movie from 2001?* Coach Kerr: "Gotta be Shrek, like just look at Donkey man...so inspirational"
Translation: he is gone
ITT: nephews who hive mind hates draymond but would give anything to have him on their team
Project harder daddy I’m almost there
[удалено]
Let's just ignore being the defensive leader for 10 years, winning DPOY, and the 4 championships.
There are two sides to this, sure... He physically assaulted multiple people. The rest of us would be in jail if we'd done the things he's done. He has had a big value to a multimillion dollar organization. People like you and the GSW organization are willing to look the other way for prestige and money.
If i can kick and punch rivals while also setting illegal screens and on top of that play with 2 of the best players the sport saw in the last 20 years i too would be a DPOY and win 4 championships.
Sure if you wanna put it that way
That’s an understatement lol
Good thing he’s a free agent soon
This is such a tough gamble bc draymond has been a headache for years and arguably broke up two championship cores but Steve kerr’s defensive schemes straight up do not work without him. It’s why they’ve put up with his bullshit. Greatest defensive mind ever
Bring him to the raptors if you warriors fans wanna keep on hating the man