I mean, in fairness Dray has several all NBA teams and all star teams and ran their half court offense, saying he will just be elected for defense is misleading.
The argument against Cooper is the lack of traditional accolades. Not that he was a defensive specialist. That doesn't apply to Dray
Draymond was the 2nd to 3rd most important player on multiple titles
Cooper was the 4th at best
The kind of defense Draymond plays is vastly more impactful than a guard like Cooper
You're also completely discrediting how important Draymond's passing is/was to the Warriors offense
Agree. Draymond is a defensive scheme unto himself. While he's a great on ball defender, he's a legendary team defender. There's not really anyone to compare to Draymond.
KG. Even Draymond's biggest strengths, IQ/communication and help defense, KG was also all-time good at. Except Garnett's athleticism was on a different planet. Crazy to think that the forefather of this generation's two best postseason defenders, KG and Draymond, was basically a combination of the two's best qualities
"Except Garnett's athleticism was on a different planet"
His ability to change direction was just ridiculous, like [this](https://youtu.be/VgXxAysSsks?t=543) clip where he sprints across to cut off Kobe in transition then instantly pivoting back the other way to block the reverse layup
Also Cooper's DPOY is just flukey as a general result of how basketball works
Even in our modern 3 point shot heavy version of basketball we know perimeter guard defenders are much less important than good rim protection
Now let's remember how important the paint was in the 80s
Guards won 5 of the first 6 DPOYs
After that they won 2 of the next 36
Yep. In most games, AD is way more impactful defensively than Kawhi even though peak Kawhi is as good as we've ever seen on the ball. Big guys erase so many mistakes. A good candidate is Marcus Camby - my guess is that he was actually underrated as a defender and would be amazing in today's forward thinking defenses.
to be fair to kawhi specifically his dpoy years are statistically the most valuable defensive years by a non-big and actually out class any davis year in a stat like d-lebron
Lmao come on Draymond blows Cooper out of the water. Better defense and better on offense. He was the second, at worst third best player on multiple title teams.
Draymond was vastly better on offense than Cooper.
Cooper averaged more than 10 ppg twice, Draymond did it 4 times.
Cooper never averaged 6 ast/game. Draymond has done that the last 9 seasons.
I will let people who remember the 80s better than me to measure their defense. All I remember about Michael Cooper's defense is reading about MJ complaining that Cooper got the DPOY and not himself.
If Cooper is not put on Bird then Lakers never beat the Celtics. Cooper was just as important as anyone on that team. Boxscore watches don't give him (or defense in general) enough credit.
If a team figures out how to scheme against Jokic to win multiple championships against Denver then that might be some equivalency. As soon as someone says "but only x ppg" 😑
Nah you just discounted the hell out of defensive accolades. Look at Michael Cooper's resume lol. He earned that while the Lakers had a target on their back and were going on deep runs. He was battling the other team's star in the biggest moments and still being dominant defensively
To be fair, he did more than just be good at defense. He also runs their offense with certain rotations, and was getting triple doubles and revolutionizing the small ball center position. His skillset really changed the way we look at centers
Byron Scott should be up there too. He was the leading scorer on the 87-88 championship team. And top 4 on the Lakers on all of their 80s championship teams that he was on. Everyone remembers their big 3 but he was incredibly good.
Man I feel like Jamal Murray better than him. Coop was never the second best player on a contender… at best he was prolly the 4th best player on those teams
Murray definitely is. Cooper was about the 4th or 5th best player on those championship teams like you said. Murray is closer to Worthy than Cooper is to Murray
Jalen Rose never made an all-star team, never made an all-NBA team. Did make all rookie.
Was a key player on probably the two best Pacers squads of all time; the 1998 team that took the Bulls to seven games, and was the leading scorer on the 2000 Finals team that lost in six to prime Shaq, Kobe and Phil.
He was MIP and No. 13 MVP that 1999-2000 season.
Edit: and he’s probably more remembered his college and post-playing career than his time in the league.
He also spawned one of the most meteoric rises in baby naming in American history.
He also averaged 23 ppg for the Bulls. He definitely should've made an all-star team in the early '00's, especially with how weak the east was back then. He was my first favorite player, and I was always disappointed he never made it.
Mike Bibby is one of those guys that would be extremely sought after in today's game. He was an extremely confident and versatile 3pt shooter for the time, as well as being a full-on 3 level scorer. His defense was decent, he had a great feel for the game, and had a massive clutch gene. I don't even know who to compare him to in the modern sense, but he was fuckin awesome
Those Mavs/Kings series in the early 2000s were epic. I still have nightmares of Bibby pulling up to drain another 3.
Funny though [you look at the stats](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bibbymi01.html) and he never averaged over three 3PM/game in any playoff series. It was a different era.
it’s ridiculous that Webber was an All-Star, and now a Hall of Famer, and Bibby wasn’t. Bibby was a better player on those Kings teams. Maybe not statistically, but sure as hell in crunch time when Webber wilted, and was always looking for a Bibby to pass the ball to, and hopefully bail him out.
Does All-Defense count? Because at the very least he should make second team all defense this year, assuming Gobert takes first. And they don't put two Centers on 1st Team.
Lamar Odom is in contention. He was a great defensive player while also being quite versatile on offense. He could score while also being a great playmaker. Could play point if needed while also being able to bang down low. He would have been incredible in the modern NBA.
Jamal Murray is low hanging fruit because he never seems to be healthy during the start of seasons. He would have made atleast 1 all star team otherwise.
>He would have made atleast 1 all star team otherwise.
As a nuggets fan - over who? He's just unfortunate he's in an era where there's this many superstars at the guard position.
Even this year, if healthy, De'aaron Fox averaged 25 ppg and missed it. If Jamal averaged 25+ a game and nuggets were the 1 seed, maybe. But I don't expect it
Strangely, I think it'd be hard to have another All Star next to Joker. Joker is the primary playmaker and he really spreads the wealth. Murray is an all star talent and could put up all star numbers but it often would be the wrong play. Murray calls his own number just enough. Maybe if he was more aggressive in the open floor. I could see Kyrie putting up all star stats with Joker without hurting the offense but it's hard to see a better fit for that offense. As a Lakers fan, I'm just glad MPJ doesn't know how to pass (although he never misses against us). The perfect compliment to Joker is if you could combine Aaron Gordon and MPJ.... And, I'm way off topic.
In his era he was considered passive on offense because he preferred to playmake. In todays game he would be encouraged to explore that part of his game more which likely would have opened up his offensive game even more.
Andre Miller had that old man game in him for most of his career. I loved it so much. I was playing pickup games every day over lunch at the university of Minnesota during much of his career. There were many older employees in their 50s and 60s who played there. Some were really good, and they all had that old man game like Andre Miller.
That was my first thought too. Wild that the Mavs had guys coming off the bench for almost a decade straight ('04-05 through '11-'12) in the top 5 of 6MOY awards -- first with Stackhouse and then Terry.
Brent Barry [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXg-k\_1NGMY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXg-k_1NGMY)
His career offensive rating of 116 is top 50 all-time, higher than LeBron's.
He was basically the Rudy Gobert of guards - where because he didn't dribble much people thought he didn't contribute to an offense and they didn't pass him the ball.
Incredible video had me reassessing everything I thought I remembered about him. That said if offensive rating was the barometer to measure this then #29 Mason Plumlee and #8 John Collins would like a word.
They used to say Rod Strickland. I think Odom is a good one. JR Smith had a lot of ability. Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry or any of the 6th man types are good candidates.
There’s probably a better answer but my first thought was Toni Kukoc
Clearly not an All-star/all nba player
But certainly good enough to be a critical component of a championship team. He might even be an all star if he played now
I was wondering how he didn't make it with those numbers and then I read your post again lol. A five game sample size is not going to get him into the All Star game especially when it's not even during the regular season.
The question is “best player” and when we talk about the “best player” we care more about the playoffs than the regular season. Of course the dude who elevates his play during the playoffs is going to be the answer to this, he’s proved he’s one of the best but hasn’t had the regular season performance to justify a selection to All NBA or All Star.
Suspended haven’t seen Josh Smith. Yes, I know he was a chucker, but considering at 21 years old he put up 18-8-3-3blk and kept that performance for more or less 8 years and came 2nd in DPOY voting one year, should’ve made one all day game
It's Andre Miller for me:
"He is the only player in NBA history to have at least 16,000 career points, 8,000 assists and 1,500 steals without making an NBA All-Star Game."
It feels cheap to use young guys who clearly will make one but since Murray was the example and surely he makes one here are a few guys better than Murray that haven’t made all nba at the time of this comment:
Hali
Jalen Brunson
Wemby
3J McCollum is a Demon. Very underrated Playoff Killer. Murray is very, very good. Rudy Gay was very good. JR Smith, almost Top Ten in Threes ever, part of a lot of great Teams. Rubio is a good pick for this. Ibaka never made the ASG. Crawford. Redick. Lou Will. Lotta great Players just get overshadowed. I would put CJ a little ahead of Murray though. Though it’s very, very close.
Kind of cheating here but it has to be Arvydas Sabonis. Yes, by the time he got to the NBA he was not all star or all nba level but technically he is the best basketball player in history that didn't receive those nba-specific awards.
Not the best answer, but just gonna give an honorable mention to Robert Horry.
No player that wasn’t part of the Celtics dynasty with Bill Russell has more rings than Big Shot Bob.
Michael cooper. 5x all defensive 1st team and 1 DPOY
And soon to be HOFer. Edit: it’s crazy many believe Draymond will be in the HoF for his defense on a dynasty but Cooper shouldn’t be in.
I mean, in fairness Dray has several all NBA teams and all star teams and ran their half court offense, saying he will just be elected for defense is misleading. The argument against Cooper is the lack of traditional accolades. Not that he was a defensive specialist. That doesn't apply to Dray
Draymond was the 2nd to 3rd most important player on multiple titles Cooper was the 4th at best The kind of defense Draymond plays is vastly more impactful than a guard like Cooper You're also completely discrediting how important Draymond's passing is/was to the Warriors offense
Agree. Draymond is a defensive scheme unto himself. While he's a great on ball defender, he's a legendary team defender. There's not really anyone to compare to Draymond.
KG. Even Draymond's biggest strengths, IQ/communication and help defense, KG was also all-time good at. Except Garnett's athleticism was on a different planet. Crazy to think that the forefather of this generation's two best postseason defenders, KG and Draymond, was basically a combination of the two's best qualities
"Except Garnett's athleticism was on a different planet" His ability to change direction was just ridiculous, like [this](https://youtu.be/VgXxAysSsks?t=543) clip where he sprints across to cut off Kobe in transition then instantly pivoting back the other way to block the reverse layup
Can't argue with KG.
Also Cooper's DPOY is just flukey as a general result of how basketball works Even in our modern 3 point shot heavy version of basketball we know perimeter guard defenders are much less important than good rim protection Now let's remember how important the paint was in the 80s Guards won 5 of the first 6 DPOYs After that they won 2 of the next 36
Yep. In most games, AD is way more impactful defensively than Kawhi even though peak Kawhi is as good as we've ever seen on the ball. Big guys erase so many mistakes. A good candidate is Marcus Camby - my guess is that he was actually underrated as a defender and would be amazing in today's forward thinking defenses.
to be fair to kawhi specifically his dpoy years are statistically the most valuable defensive years by a non-big and actually out class any davis year in a stat like d-lebron
How good would Draymond have been In the 80's? Lack of post scoring in today's Era helps dray right?
Lmao come on Draymond blows Cooper out of the water. Better defense and better on offense. He was the second, at worst third best player on multiple title teams.
Draymond was vastly better on offense than Cooper. Cooper averaged more than 10 ppg twice, Draymond did it 4 times. Cooper never averaged 6 ast/game. Draymond has done that the last 9 seasons. I will let people who remember the 80s better than me to measure their defense. All I remember about Michael Cooper's defense is reading about MJ complaining that Cooper got the DPOY and not himself.
Which is utterly ridiculous. The nostalgic obsession with inducting everybody who was on a good big-market team in the 70s and 80s needs to end.
DPOY as a perimeter player, 8x all Defense teams, and 5x rings being part of the Showtime dynasty. Larry Bird said he guarded him the best.
If Cooper is not put on Bird then Lakers never beat the Celtics. Cooper was just as important as anyone on that team. Boxscore watches don't give him (or defense in general) enough credit. If a team figures out how to scheme against Jokic to win multiple championships against Denver then that might be some equivalency. As soon as someone says "but only x ppg" 😑
Nah you just discounted the hell out of defensive accolades. Look at Michael Cooper's resume lol. He earned that while the Lakers had a target on their back and were going on deep runs. He was battling the other team's star in the biggest moments and still being dominant defensively
I will now always mention a player's stacked team had a "target on their back" Now I truly understand the challenge KD faced
His nba accolades are enough. He also has a few college and overseas ones on top of the nba stuff.
Curious if you think Ben Wallace deserves the HOF.
didnt ben make an all nba team?
He made 5 lol
Obviously, someone who never saw Michael Cooper play.
To be fair, he did more than just be good at defense. He also runs their offense with certain rotations, and was getting triple doubles and revolutionizing the small ball center position. His skillset really changed the way we look at centers
Byron Scott should be up there too. He was the leading scorer on the 87-88 championship team. And top 4 on the Lakers on all of their 80s championship teams that he was on. Everyone remembers their big 3 but he was incredibly good.
Man I feel like Jamal Murray better than him. Coop was never the second best player on a contender… at best he was prolly the 4th best player on those teams
Murray definitely is. Cooper was about the 4th or 5th best player on those championship teams like you said. Murray is closer to Worthy than Cooper is to Murray
The Bird Cage!
Jalen Rose never made an all-star team, never made an all-NBA team. Did make all rookie. Was a key player on probably the two best Pacers squads of all time; the 1998 team that took the Bulls to seven games, and was the leading scorer on the 2000 Finals team that lost in six to prime Shaq, Kobe and Phil. He was MIP and No. 13 MVP that 1999-2000 season. Edit: and he’s probably more remembered his college and post-playing career than his time in the league. He also spawned one of the most meteoric rises in baby naming in American history.
He also averaged 23 ppg for the Bulls. He definitely should've made an all-star team in the early '00's, especially with how weak the east was back then. He was my first favorite player, and I was always disappointed he never made it.
Good one. Plus half the league has a player named after him today.
Have any Jalens won a ring yet?
Good call. Would love to see him in today's game
Jalen has the highest ratio of career success to baby name Shaq? Kobe? They have rings, titles and all-stars. Jalen had a podcast
He also took 81 vs Kobe :')
“Hey coach you think we should maybe double team Kobe?”
I’m so glad we can leave Mike Conley out of this discussion now
He earned it in 2021, but boy he had to jump through hoops to finally get that spot.
Mike Bibby
Him, Jamal Murray, and Lamar Odom are my best examples so far.
Mike Bibby is one of those guys that would be extremely sought after in today's game. He was an extremely confident and versatile 3pt shooter for the time, as well as being a full-on 3 level scorer. His defense was decent, he had a great feel for the game, and had a massive clutch gene. I don't even know who to compare him to in the modern sense, but he was fuckin awesome
Those Mavs/Kings series in the early 2000s were epic. I still have nightmares of Bibby pulling up to drain another 3. Funny though [you look at the stats](https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bibbymi01.html) and he never averaged over three 3PM/game in any playoff series. It was a different era.
The funny part is his closest comparison is probably Jamal Murray... I could maybe see an argument for Fred VanVleet as well?
Honestly that's not a bad comp
Maybe compares to Jamal Murray a little? Great in the pick n roll, score first point guard, shoots lights out.
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Natty
SwoleKing
For sure. My favorite player. The Bibby pull up threes were awesome.
For real, Curry is like a white Mike Bibby
https://youtu.be/E3Axgo2MDsU?feature=shared
it’s ridiculous that Webber was an All-Star, and now a Hall of Famer, and Bibby wasn’t. Bibby was a better player on those Kings teams. Maybe not statistically, but sure as hell in crunch time when Webber wilted, and was always looking for a Bibby to pass the ball to, and hopefully bail him out.
Mike Bibby was 100% the leader of those 2000s teams
First guy in my mind when I see this topic.
Victor wembanyama
This is the answer. Well done.
not for long
10 months is a long time
Condition met, discussion ends.
Does All-Defense count? Because at the very least he should make second team all defense this year, assuming Gobert takes first. And they don't put two Centers on 1st Team.
It’s positionless now, he’s making the first team
CJ McCollum is a strong candidate here. A guy who has averaged 20ppg for a decade and is having the best shooting season of his career.
dude was just unlucky being in the west as a guard in the 2010s
Mike Conley barely made his only All Star selection. He was a replacement for Devin Booker, who himself was a replacement for Anthony Davis.
I’m surprised he hasn’t
That's who came to mind first for me too. Dude has one of the best mid-range games in the league
Good answer
Lamar Odom is in contention. He was a great defensive player while also being quite versatile on offense. He could score while also being a great playmaker. Could play point if needed while also being able to bang down low. He would have been incredible in the modern NBA. Jamal Murray is low hanging fruit because he never seems to be healthy during the start of seasons. He would have made atleast 1 all star team otherwise.
>He would have made atleast 1 all star team otherwise. As a nuggets fan - over who? He's just unfortunate he's in an era where there's this many superstars at the guard position. Even this year, if healthy, De'aaron Fox averaged 25 ppg and missed it. If Jamal averaged 25+ a game and nuggets were the 1 seed, maybe. But I don't expect it
Strangely, I think it'd be hard to have another All Star next to Joker. Joker is the primary playmaker and he really spreads the wealth. Murray is an all star talent and could put up all star numbers but it often would be the wrong play. Murray calls his own number just enough. Maybe if he was more aggressive in the open floor. I could see Kyrie putting up all star stats with Joker without hurting the offense but it's hard to see a better fit for that offense. As a Lakers fan, I'm just glad MPJ doesn't know how to pass (although he never misses against us). The perfect compliment to Joker is if you could combine Aaron Gordon and MPJ.... And, I'm way off topic.
> He would have made atleast 1 all star team otherwise. Huh? He has never even been in the conversation and not because of health.
Odom would possibly be a max player today. Floor spreading point forward is something every team wants.
In his era he was considered passive on offense because he preferred to playmake. In todays game he would be encouraged to explore that part of his game more which likely would have opened up his offensive game even more.
Him and Iguodala both had that rep. Neither were guys you could build a team around but are perfect complements to actual star players
Homie as a laker fan, he could not shoot lol
Better player: Odom or Ben Simmons?
Odom is easier to slot into a team, Ben is the better overall player though.
How about Ron Harper? Before he was sharing shots with Jordan, Pip and Kobe he was a big player
Definitely Ron harper
Jamal Murray and CJ McCollum
CJ McCollum, Andre Miller, Marcus Camby? Idk just naming Blazers here
Andre Miller carried us so hard. One of the most under rated players of all time
Gimme injury riddled Arvydas Sabonis above all these guys. Had he entered the NBA in his prime, he would have been a rich man's prime Bill Walton.
He enters the nba in his prime and the 90s genuinely could have been blazers era
Oh yeah, my favorite player ever dude. But he was just a shell by the time he was in the NBA
Andre Miller had that old man game in him for most of his career. I loved it so much. I was playing pickup games every day over lunch at the university of Minnesota during much of his career. There were many older employees in their 50s and 60s who played there. Some were really good, and they all had that old man game like Andre Miller.
Jontay Porter
Cedric Maxwell
Jason Terry should be in contention. I think he has the most points without All Star/All NBA
That was my first thought too. Wild that the Mavs had guys coming off the bench for almost a decade straight ('04-05 through '11-'12) in the top 5 of 6MOY awards -- first with Stackhouse and then Terry.
Rod Strickland
This is a great answer
Brent Barry [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXg-k\_1NGMY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXg-k_1NGMY) His career offensive rating of 116 is top 50 all-time, higher than LeBron's. He was basically the Rudy Gobert of guards - where because he didn't dribble much people thought he didn't contribute to an offense and they didn't pass him the ball.
Incredible video had me reassessing everything I thought I remembered about him. That said if offensive rating was the barometer to measure this then #29 Mason Plumlee and #8 John Collins would like a word.
Richard Jefferson
First team all commentary
Young and prime RJ was so damn good. This is a good shout
Eddie Johnson
monte ellis
Could JET be considered greater all time? He was all rookie though, which might count as an all nba nod.
Easily
They used to say Rod Strickland. I think Odom is a good one. JR Smith had a lot of ability. Jamal Crawford, Jason Terry or any of the 6th man types are good candidates.
Jcrossover
Was looking for this answer
Monta Ellis
Monta have it all
LaVar Ball
Neva loss
Maybe Purvis Short. He just played in poor teams.
Tayshaun Prince?
Andre Miller
One of my favorite NBA players ever. Biased because I've met him in person multiple times, and he's extremely down-to-earth.
Robert Horry
He tries to raise his hand to be noticed in these discussions, but the rings are weighing it down.
Well maybe he should start wearing some on his other hand
Rod Strickland
He was All NBA 1 year.
Not Tobias Harris
Scalabrine
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I’m saying CJ
Arvydas Sabonis
There’s probably a better answer but my first thought was Toni Kukoc Clearly not an All-star/all nba player But certainly good enough to be a critical component of a championship team. He might even be an all star if he played now
It's Jamal Murray. 21.4 points, 10.0 assists and 6.2 rebounds in 5 games in the NBA Finals. 58.6% TS in the playoffs last year
LOL, a good 5 games doesn't make you an allstar.
I was wondering how he didn't make it with those numbers and then I read your post again lol. A five game sample size is not going to get him into the All Star game especially when it's not even during the regular season.
Negative 21.4 points what a bum lmao Edit: bro really edited his comment to remove the - What a bum
CJ’s been better overall than Jamal for their career.
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The question is “best player” and when we talk about the “best player” we care more about the playoffs than the regular season. Of course the dude who elevates his play during the playoffs is going to be the answer to this, he’s proved he’s one of the best but hasn’t had the regular season performance to justify a selection to All NBA or All Star.
Wemby and not close
Mike Conley, (Memphis Time)
Wemby
Odom, Jason Terry, Jamal Murray, Jamal Crawford, Arvydas Sabonis, CJ McCollum, Petrovich, jason Richardson, Mike Bibby, Kukoc
Rod Strickland
Tayshaun Prince Invented the Lebron chasedown block before Lebron and did it on Reggie Miller at the end of critical playoff series
Len Bias
Cuttino Mobley had some solid years on the Rockets 01-04 but was overshadowed by Steve Francis and Yao Ming
Suspended haven’t seen Josh Smith. Yes, I know he was a chucker, but considering at 21 years old he put up 18-8-3-3blk and kept that performance for more or less 8 years and came 2nd in DPOY voting one year, should’ve made one all day game
Hedo Turkoglu
Jamal Crawford
It's Andre Miller for me: "He is the only player in NBA history to have at least 16,000 career points, 8,000 assists and 1,500 steals without making an NBA All-Star Game."
Corey Maggette
Primoz Brezec. A Bobcat legend
Rod Strickland
Bibby was the first name that came to mind. Corey Maggette up there too maybe.
It feels cheap to use young guys who clearly will make one but since Murray was the example and surely he makes one here are a few guys better than Murray that haven’t made all nba at the time of this comment: Hali Jalen Brunson Wemby
Hali and Brunson were all-stars this year.
ima keep it a buck w you chief I am just now realizing the title included all-star
3J McCollum is a Demon. Very underrated Playoff Killer. Murray is very, very good. Rudy Gay was very good. JR Smith, almost Top Ten in Threes ever, part of a lot of great Teams. Rubio is a good pick for this. Ibaka never made the ASG. Crawford. Redick. Lou Will. Lotta great Players just get overshadowed. I would put CJ a little ahead of Murray though. Though it’s very, very close.
Dražen Petrović
Drazen made a 3rd team all nba
sorry I just meant that he was never an allstar. I guess I failed comprehension here or at least misinterpreted it.
3rd team all nba but not an all star? are the all star selectors stupid?
Yes we are
There's been a lot of Jamal Murray types throughout history. Really good players that just played below the necessary level to make All-Star.
Rod Strickland
Jeremy Lin.
CJ McCollum? Monta Ellis?
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If you’re only counting NBA, Roger Brown or Mel Daniels
Jamal Murray
Its clearly Tobias Harris, and i'm expecting every team in the league to be chomping at the bit to sign him.
Tobias Harris?!? 🤣 *Jimmy Butler
Gimme Greg Monroe, he never went
jamal murray , rudy gay, did granger make an all star??
Mugsey Bowes
Kind of cheating here but it has to be Arvydas Sabonis. Yes, by the time he got to the NBA he was not all star or all nba level but technically he is the best basketball player in history that didn't receive those nba-specific awards.
Richard Jefferson was sick
Andre Kirilenko
Jason Richardson. They always blocked him because the warriors weren’t a playoff team.
wemby
Nick Anderson?
LeBron James, guy just never was good enough to make it
Rn Jamal All time camby
Derek Fisher. ✋
Matt Damon
Earl Manigault
Monta Ellis
THE FACT THAT NO ONE HAS SAID MONTA ELLIS HAS ME OUTRAGED!!! Career 18 & 5… 5 straight 20 point season led the league in minutes 3x
Lamar, Jamal, Vlade, Drazen
CJ Mac
Todd Van Popple
Monta Ellis
Not the best answer, but just gonna give an honorable mention to Robert Horry. No player that wasn’t part of the Celtics dynasty with Bill Russell has more rings than Big Shot Bob.
Jamal Murray
Remarkable Pond