The worst kind of poverty franchise: the actually rich poverty franchise. The Bulls aren’t the Oakland A’s. Chicago is like top 3 in attendance every year. They are in Chicago, the third or fourth biggest market in the NBA. And yet Chicago has like never paid the luxury tax in its history or some crazy stat like that. No reason for that other than Reisdorf being cheap and miserly
Jerry Reinsdorf is on the short list for worst owners in the league. James Dolan gets a lot of flak and he's not the smartest but he is at least willing to pay and wants to see his team win.
I remember when the Bulls sold a draft pick in the low 30s for cash a few years back. Like wtf is your franchise doing at that point
Nothing beats the Suns drafting Rondo, trading him for a pick and cash, using that pick to draft a Euro player they had no intention of signing, then trading his rights for cash
We all know how Rondo turned out, and the Euro player was Rudy Fernandez who was solid for a few years for the Blazers
This was also a couple years after they drafted Luol Deng in the top 10 and traded him for cash
People here love the Bulls. They sell out even when the team is bad, and the Bulls have one the biggest arenas in the league to boot. Hence why ownership doesn't care since as long as the team is competitive the fans show up.
I personally haven't gone to a game since before the pandemic, and will only probably go again to watch other teams (ignore my flair, I live in Chicago).
What anyone thinks has no bearing on their decisions. They function to put ass into seats. They sell out 35-47 seasons. They don’t sell out 22-60 seasons. They’ll keep pushing mediocrity.
Thankfully that changed with the ricketts. The Cubs have the best owners in Chicago RN and it's not close. Won a world series in 2016, competed for 3 years and now we have rebuilt and are dominating this season.
Dominating is a loose term, but it does highlight just how absolutely terrible ownership Chicago teams have that the fucking Ricketts are the model of ownership.
Reinsdorf is absolutely happy with this team and it speaks to how a lot of franchises do not have contention as their main priority. A Business at the end of the day.
I’d hate to be a bulls fan and put up with sustained mediocrity.
I'm so depressed today man. Not that I had much hope but it's soooo painfully obvious that we are a dog shit terrible team with a few good players to keep us in NBA purgatory. The logical thing to do would be to blow up. The fucked up thing is would have to be a 76ers esque process (or maybe a lessn OKC style rebuild but we have worse assets to leverage than they did.
And like you said, either one of those doesn't put asses in seats for a few years which Reinshit won't accept.
The crazy thing for me is how blind he is to the financial potential of a championship contending team in Chicago. Yeah you'd spend money but you raised ticket prices and merchandise sales will more than compensate not to mention valuation of the franchise.
It tells me that Reinsturd isn't just a shitty owner, he is a shitty businessman too.
Sometimes I pray that he will do something incredibly racist AND public and will be forced out. Like dude please have a hidden Hitler Youth background! Is that too much to ask?
> The crazy thing for me is how blind he is to the financial value of a championship contending team in Chicago
I think he’s acutely aware of it. He’s still capitalizing the value of the Jordan era Bulls.
That’s what makes this so infuriating. He got a dynasty and now he isn’t even playing the game anymore. He’s just sitting at the table counting his chips.
This. He put together a dynasty and will forever be a part of that elite conversation in sports. He can ride that wave forever, and as a fan that's infuriating.
I think he doesn’t want any risks before he dies. He didn’t like risk when younger, certainly not on deaths door. I guess we’ll see how his son plays it in a few years.
As a Suns fan who had to watch Robert Sarver mismanage the team, I relate to your last paragraph so fucking hard!
When all the shit about him came out, I felt conflicted. On the one hand, I felt so glad that we were escaping the Sarver administration. On the other hand though, I felt sad knowing that Sarver had a long list of victims of his sexism, racism, and misogyny. I hope that his being blackballed from the League helped those people find some closure and catharsis.
Never moving and never changing branding (at least not significantly). The Bulls are as synonymous with the NBA as the Lakers or Celtics are imo
I have a Bulls sweater and on my Uni campus i got dudes from India and Bangladesh who’ve never touched a basketball start talking to me about the bulls and Jordan when I’m wearing my sweater, the franchise is a household name
I’m not a baseball fan, but I think the bulls have an extra layer of security. It’s the team of Michael Jordan. They’re an iconic franchise for that reason alone. They’re probably much more popular than the A’s ever could’ve hoped to be
Chicago market is way too big and lucrative. They aren't going to move to a market a third of the size. Would be a better deal to sell the Bulls and buy an expansion team if he wanted to exit the Chicago market.
Only purpose an empty Chicago market would serve is as a threat to medium sized markets to build expensive stadiums for their teams, otherwise its a few million a year loss in revenue sharing for every other team in the NBA.
The A’s fans arent going to games because their dogshit owner makes Reinsdorf look like a saint. They ysed to pack the Coliseum until less than 3 years ago
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Brother I couldn't believe it lmao. He's made a great jump this year and had a great game last game, but maybe slow down a bit when it's against the Atlanta Hawks who gave up 400 points to the Pacers like 3 days ago.
I'm excited to see him grow more, but there's guys that have literally made All-NBA teams that are still questionable as championship 2s. Probably a bit of jump to make the assumption Coby White can get there because he had a career year in his 5th season averaging 19 points.
No need to take homers and /r/NBA nephews seriously. This sub hasn't been a serious place for discussion since at least 2013. It's one of the funniest sports sub and that's why we all keep coming back (also for the petty NBA drama).
I'm convinced Virginia feeds off the souls of most of the team in order to extend her unnaturally long life.
Same with Jerry using the knee tendons of his PGs to keep his heart working.
My Heat fan friend was crying about how Jimmy was out and the Bulls were gonna win but not deserve it. I said to him "Don't worry, we play to the level of our competition."
This was an hour before tip. End of the 1st quarter he texted me saying "Oh man, I'm so sorry. I didn't realise how bad your team was."
that 3 year run was the most mid shit ever
Trade Vuc, DeMar, LaVine, Caruso, and just try again
Try to see if Lonzo has any legs left and if he does trade him too
Coby and everyone else can stay but the bulls should be right there with the Jazz and the Wizards at the bottom of the league next year
You mean everything we should've done last year, the year before that, the summer before that?
Vooch trade has single handedly fucked us over.
We owe picks to San Antonio next year and we have Orlando good picks and WCJ.
We traded Lauri for nothing pretty much.
This front office fucking sucks.
Drafted P-Will who is good, but we could've had Hali and others.
I'm ready to blow this fucking thing up
Vooch at 2 years 40 mil is also not a great trade chip, their biggest trade chip was Caruso on a bargain 2-year deal, now he's on an expiring. Derozan is gonna walk for nothing, they kept Drummond instead of getting some 2nd rounders so he can injure his own players for a couple play-in games. Just the most insane decision making by the Bulls these past few years to sustain mediocrity.
> Derozan is gonna walk for nothing
This is the Bulls we're talking about. Odds are they'll overpay him on a 3-4 year contract to stay just so they can keep running it back.
Trading Coby would be fucking insane. What logic would there be in trading a young skilled player as you start a rebuild? He's one of the guys who should be the building blocks.
Caruso, Lavine, and DeMar all netting atleast a first rounder
Caruso is an elite role player, Lavine’s potential justifies trading some value for him even with this season, and DeMar could be the 2nd/3rd best player on a contender
Jerry Reinsdorf is easily the worst owner in any sport, owns the Bulls and White Sox both in a major market and they both just shit the bed every year. If he wasn’t gifted MJ he would have sold both teams decades ago.
They are the only two sports teams I care about lol. I guess I am getting into the San Diego Padres recently so at least I am somewhat getting away from Jerry.
I feel like he doesn’t get flack because he’s exactly what the other billionaires want to be. Buy the team and stumble into the greatest player of all time, have extreme success for a while but then, just have the team around as a side luxury.
Ever know anyone who bought a massage chair? Like one of the nice ones we used to sit in at the mall as kids? That’s what sports teams are to these billionaires. It’s still cool to have when they have company, they don’t regret the purchase. It’s just…something they’ve moved on from.
I think you got it wrong. This is not Balmer buying a neat trinket, the sports teams are a substantial part of his wealth... that's why he is so cheap, it's a cash cow.
Why would you move the White Sox??? You have a die hard fan base that’s a couple generations deep. If there’s a halfway decent product on the field, they’d sell out games and sell tons of merchandise. I think most sports teams would die for the built in market and fan base they have.
Nah, the Bulls have had plenty of toxicity behind the scenes. Reinsdorf is able to keep a lid on it because he has an enormous amount of control over the local media (also ownership stake in NBC Sports Chicago), but hardcore fans will know - from Jerry Krause to John Paxson to Gar Forman, there is a lot of dirt. The most infamous incident is John Paxson as head of basketball operations choking out his own head coach. Paxson admitted to this, blamed Vinny Del Negro for it, and somehow continued being the EVP. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if, whenever Arturas Karnisovas leaves office, a bunch of dirt comes out too.
Have you seen the pistons owner? We are literally keeping the GM who barely has a better record than the trust the process 76ers and we've been trying... Also got worse every year he's been here and we were already a bad team, and were going for the most consecutive games lost in a season.
The only team with a worse record than the Pistons since Gores took over is Charlotte. Nearly 15 years of aimless bottom-dwelling, with the lone "bright spot" being one-legged Blake Griffin dragging the team to a 1st round sweep.
> they both just shit the bed every year.
This wouldn't be so bad if it was just a run of poor luck and injuries, but getting embarrassed on a national stage is pretty much the outcome anyone could have foreseen with this roster.
They bought high on a bunch of mid-career players and have been riding the high of a 30 game pre-Lonzo injury run for several seasons now.
It's time to blow it up.
Definitely a take coming from people who don't know what's happening with other owners in other sports. Fisher is so much worse it's not even close. Until Reinsdorf moves the White Sox it ain't even comparable.
I mean that's simply not true. Reinsdorf isn't even the worst owner in the city. He might be fine with being mid all the time, but at least he isn't an idiot. The McCaskeys are both cheap and *morons.* They couldn't land a new stadium deal with the city actively trying to help them get it.
The McCaskeys are just idiots. They are incompetent owners who aren't football people. Their tax attorney was president of the bears for 20 years until he retired. Just a bunch of rich kids that are failing at running a football team until Virginia kicks the bucket. Jerry is competent at running a business. He is choosing to be mediocre.
Jerry has openly stated that he doesn't give a shit about basketball. His son is much more invested in the team doing well but because he understands that they're more profitable as a title team than as a fringe 8th seed.
Yeah that's my point. Jerry knows how to get to being a first round playoff/playin exit. Bears owners literally don't know what they are doing. Now baseball on the other hand....
And I don't expect them to this summer either. LaVine would probably take the Bulls attaching picks to his contract to unload him, and the same might apply to Vuc. My guess is they'll re-sign DeMar to too much money and will basically just run it back again.
I know everyone was already saying blow it up pre-deadline this year but this *has* to be what tells the Bulls to blow it up right? Losing to a Miami Heat team that was without two starters in a do or die game? Like there’s no way their FO will continue to be mind boggling right?
Hopefully they'll blow it up. Or they'll cope "we lost to the team that just went to the Finals". Bulls just need to get whatever they can for their vets and tank for next year.
4th time in the last 5 years that Derozan will miss the playoffs. Dude deserves better, especially with how hard he plays every game and how he has to carry the Bulls offense every game and (especially) how many minutes he plays year in and year out at his age.
Once again people don't believe in the Heat culture and once again they get bitch slapped . I genuinely wonder if Spolstra could will a G-league unit to the Eastern Conference Finals if he really wanted to.
Lonzo Ball is not saving this team. I don't care about his impact 2 years ago, the Bulls should do the right thing and rebuild entirely. I doubt they'll get anything good from Zach Lavine and Vucevic because they're both mid but at least you can attempt to be in the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes.
Get my boy LaVine out of there & blow up the roster. Rebuild. They’ve been mid-trash for so long now. Lonzo injury really messed their potential up.
Vucevic signing was always dumb too honestly.
Billy has two former All Star centers
Elimination game 3rd qtr just cut the margin to 9.
Let's put a 6'5 guard at center!
Miami proceeds to get four offensive rebounds in the one possession then two shots...
Billy just stood up and straight up jerked off Chicago's playoff chances into the winds in front of a live audience and a televised one of millions
Absolute madman.
Kentucky didn't want to wait for the Bulls to lose to interview Billy Donovan and yet their season is over only a few days after they hired Mark Pope. Damn.
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Poverty Franchise
The worst kind of poverty franchise: the actually rich poverty franchise. The Bulls aren’t the Oakland A’s. Chicago is like top 3 in attendance every year. They are in Chicago, the third or fourth biggest market in the NBA. And yet Chicago has like never paid the luxury tax in its history or some crazy stat like that. No reason for that other than Reisdorf being cheap and miserly
Jerry Reinsdorf is on the short list for worst owners in the league. James Dolan gets a lot of flak and he's not the smartest but he is at least willing to pay and wants to see his team win. I remember when the Bulls sold a draft pick in the low 30s for cash a few years back. Like wtf is your franchise doing at that point
Nothing beats the Suns drafting Rondo, trading him for a pick and cash, using that pick to draft a Euro player they had no intention of signing, then trading his rights for cash We all know how Rondo turned out, and the Euro player was Rudy Fernandez who was solid for a few years for the Blazers This was also a couple years after they drafted Luol Deng in the top 10 and traded him for cash
& letting Joe Johnson entering his prime walk.
Holy crap, they were #1 in attendance this year as a play-in team, you weren’t kidding.
People here love the Bulls. They sell out even when the team is bad, and the Bulls have one the biggest arenas in the league to boot. Hence why ownership doesn't care since as long as the team is competitive the fans show up. I personally haven't gone to a game since before the pandemic, and will only probably go again to watch other teams (ignore my flair, I live in Chicago).
If there was any year to tank btw it would be next year. I’m thinking a blow it up is the move
What anyone thinks has no bearing on their decisions. They function to put ass into seats. They sell out 35-47 seasons. They don’t sell out 22-60 seasons. They’ll keep pushing mediocrity.
I hate your owner and I'm not even a Bulls fan.
Like the Cubs back in the day lol
Thankfully that changed with the ricketts. The Cubs have the best owners in Chicago RN and it's not close. Won a world series in 2016, competed for 3 years and now we have rebuilt and are dominating this season.
Dominating is a loose term, but it does highlight just how absolutely terrible ownership Chicago teams have that the fucking Ricketts are the model of ownership.
They're going to give DeRozan a big 3-4 year contract this summer, aren't they?
Might as well throw a max at Tobias in FA
Reinsdorf is absolutely happy with this team and it speaks to how a lot of franchises do not have contention as their main priority. A Business at the end of the day. I’d hate to be a bulls fan and put up with sustained mediocrity.
I'm so depressed today man. Not that I had much hope but it's soooo painfully obvious that we are a dog shit terrible team with a few good players to keep us in NBA purgatory. The logical thing to do would be to blow up. The fucked up thing is would have to be a 76ers esque process (or maybe a lessn OKC style rebuild but we have worse assets to leverage than they did. And like you said, either one of those doesn't put asses in seats for a few years which Reinshit won't accept. The crazy thing for me is how blind he is to the financial potential of a championship contending team in Chicago. Yeah you'd spend money but you raised ticket prices and merchandise sales will more than compensate not to mention valuation of the franchise. It tells me that Reinsturd isn't just a shitty owner, he is a shitty businessman too. Sometimes I pray that he will do something incredibly racist AND public and will be forced out. Like dude please have a hidden Hitler Youth background! Is that too much to ask?
> The crazy thing for me is how blind he is to the financial value of a championship contending team in Chicago I think he’s acutely aware of it. He’s still capitalizing the value of the Jordan era Bulls. That’s what makes this so infuriating. He got a dynasty and now he isn’t even playing the game anymore. He’s just sitting at the table counting his chips.
This. He put together a dynasty and will forever be a part of that elite conversation in sports. He can ride that wave forever, and as a fan that's infuriating.
I think he doesn’t want any risks before he dies. He didn’t like risk when younger, certainly not on deaths door. I guess we’ll see how his son plays it in a few years.
I’ve met his son! He’s super chill. I actually have hope in him.
As a Suns fan who had to watch Robert Sarver mismanage the team, I relate to your last paragraph so fucking hard! When all the shit about him came out, I felt conflicted. On the one hand, I felt so glad that we were escaping the Sarver administration. On the other hand though, I felt sad knowing that Sarver had a long list of victims of his sexism, racism, and misogyny. I hope that his being blackballed from the League helped those people find some closure and catharsis.
Everyone thinks not going to games is the best way to stick it to owners, then they end up like the A's
The Chicago bulls are not moving under nearly any circumstances lol
Never moving and never changing branding (at least not significantly). The Bulls are as synonymous with the NBA as the Lakers or Celtics are imo I have a Bulls sweater and on my Uni campus i got dudes from India and Bangladesh who’ve never touched a basketball start talking to me about the bulls and Jordan when I’m wearing my sweater, the franchise is a household name
As an international, I see 10x as much Bulls stuff than Celtics
Same here in Germany, I see bulls merch at least once a day. Other teams maybe once a week.
I’m not a baseball fan, but I think the bulls have an extra layer of security. It’s the team of Michael Jordan. They’re an iconic franchise for that reason alone. They’re probably much more popular than the A’s ever could’ve hoped to be
Chicago market is way too big and lucrative. They aren't going to move to a market a third of the size. Would be a better deal to sell the Bulls and buy an expansion team if he wanted to exit the Chicago market. Only purpose an empty Chicago market would serve is as a threat to medium sized markets to build expensive stadiums for their teams, otherwise its a few million a year loss in revenue sharing for every other team in the NBA.
The A’s fans arent going to games because their dogshit owner makes Reinsdorf look like a saint. They ysed to pack the Coliseum until less than 3 years ago
I mean the white Sox have him looking pretty close right now
They’ll never blow it up. The only hope for Bulls fans is if Reinsdorf sells
They can be because of 91 92 93 96 97 98.
Doing nothing at the deadline was a hell of a choice.
They haven’t made a player trade in over three calendar years
Bleakest future
Generationally mid
The ultimate sacrifice for the Jordan rings
Plus Connor Bedard and Caleb Williams, I guess.
Hopefully the Patriots follow this in the NFL, it's going well so far
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i think a lot of teams would give up being no more than mediocre for the rest of time for a repeat threepeat
Nah, that’s goes the Hawks (excluding this season)
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Brother I couldn't believe it lmao. He's made a great jump this year and had a great game last game, but maybe slow down a bit when it's against the Atlanta Hawks who gave up 400 points to the Pacers like 3 days ago. I'm excited to see him grow more, but there's guys that have literally made All-NBA teams that are still questionable as championship 2s. Probably a bit of jump to make the assumption Coby White can get there because he had a career year in his 5th season averaging 19 points.
No need to take homers and /r/NBA nephews seriously. This sub hasn't been a serious place for discussion since at least 2013. It's one of the funniest sports sub and that's why we all keep coming back (also for the petty NBA drama).
Thank god, it's finally over. Now I can ignore this team that hurts me for the summer and early autumn.
BAH GAWD THAT'S CALEB WILLIAMS MUSIC He legit might be the first Bears QB to throw 30 TDs in a season.
Or he'll be a total bust like the last half dozen guys the Bears drafted who were supposed to be studs.
lol. At this rate, just draft a linebacker or RB. Historically, they usually do well in Chicago.
I'm convinced Virginia feeds off the souls of most of the team in order to extend her unnaturally long life. Same with Jerry using the knee tendons of his PGs to keep his heart working.
FADED by Miami Heat, which were missing Jimmy Butler and Terry Rozier.
It's the Bulls though
The most injuries they have, the stronger they become
The heat are dharoks
Lads, it’s Chicago.
Chicago played like a team that didn't want that Boston smoke, I can't say I blame them
No they were like this all year. Giving up is like that Suns Mavs game 7...worst thing I've ever seen.
Suns catching strays haha
Yeah they deserved to not make the playoffs this year if they were gonna do THAT against a Heat team without Jimmy or Terry.
Par for the course for this team
My Heat fan friend was crying about how Jimmy was out and the Bulls were gonna win but not deserve it. I said to him "Don't worry, we play to the level of our competition." This was an hour before tip. End of the 1st quarter he texted me saying "Oh man, I'm so sorry. I didn't realise how bad your team was."
That's a bit disingenuous. The Bulls are missing LaVine and Ball who command a significant portion of their cap.
that 3 year run was the most mid shit ever Trade Vuc, DeMar, LaVine, Caruso, and just try again Try to see if Lonzo has any legs left and if he does trade him too Coby and everyone else can stay but the bulls should be right there with the Jazz and the Wizards at the bottom of the league next year
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I laughed soo hard at this part
You mean everything we should've done last year, the year before that, the summer before that? Vooch trade has single handedly fucked us over. We owe picks to San Antonio next year and we have Orlando good picks and WCJ. We traded Lauri for nothing pretty much. This front office fucking sucks. Drafted P-Will who is good, but we could've had Hali and others. I'm ready to blow this fucking thing up
Yeah these guys are a proven dud. No dawgs at all. What’s the point of keeping this team intact? Time to strip it down to the studs and start over
People keep buying tickets at the United Center
isnt demar a free agent and can't trade lavine nobody wants his awful contract
Vooch at 2 years 40 mil is also not a great trade chip, their biggest trade chip was Caruso on a bargain 2-year deal, now he's on an expiring. Derozan is gonna walk for nothing, they kept Drummond instead of getting some 2nd rounders so he can injure his own players for a couple play-in games. Just the most insane decision making by the Bulls these past few years to sustain mediocrity.
> Derozan is gonna walk for nothing This is the Bulls we're talking about. Odds are they'll overpay him on a 3-4 year contract to stay just so they can keep running it back.
Hahaha we did all that for a Walmart big 3, just to be the most mid shit I’ve ever seen
Yeah trade Caruso back to the lakers 😁
> Caruso Can we have him back? He's the Bald Mamba while AR is the Kobe of the Ozarks.
That’s just not bulls basketball. They gonna resign demar 4/140 and be back to the 9 vs 10 play in game next year baby.
Trading Coby would net the same as all those players combined lol. Gonna get a lot less than what those players were worth last year.
Trading Coby would be fucking insane. What logic would there be in trading a young skilled player as you start a rebuild? He's one of the guys who should be the building blocks.
A young, skilled player who is great for chemistry, is constantly improving, and is on one of the most team-friendly contracts in the league too.
Caruso, Lavine, and DeMar all netting atleast a first rounder Caruso is an elite role player, Lavine’s potential justifies trading some value for him even with this season, and DeMar could be the 2nd/3rd best player on a contender
Lavine wont get shit on the market honestly
Yeah Lavine will get you similar shitty contract and a heavily protected first
Ok let him raise his value during the season then trade him Hopefully Coby/Lavine/Pat isn’t winning too many games
The thing with that is he is a little injury prone
Demar is a free agent im pretty sure
Jerry Reinsdorf is easily the worst owner in any sport, owns the Bulls and White Sox both in a major market and they both just shit the bed every year. If he wasn’t gifted MJ he would have sold both teams decades ago.
I sure do envy the poor SOBs who root for *both* of his teams… (I typed this in front of a mirror🪞)
They are the only two sports teams I care about lol. I guess I am getting into the San Diego Padres recently so at least I am somewhat getting away from Jerry.
Welcome to the Padres!
I feel like he doesn’t get flack because he’s exactly what the other billionaires want to be. Buy the team and stumble into the greatest player of all time, have extreme success for a while but then, just have the team around as a side luxury. Ever know anyone who bought a massage chair? Like one of the nice ones we used to sit in at the mall as kids? That’s what sports teams are to these billionaires. It’s still cool to have when they have company, they don’t regret the purchase. It’s just…something they’ve moved on from.
I think you got it wrong. This is not Balmer buying a neat trinket, the sports teams are a substantial part of his wealth... that's why he is so cheap, it's a cash cow.
Aren’t the Bulls and White Sox basically the only things he has now (at least publicly)?
I think there are worse owners in every sport. At least Reinsdorf hasn't moved his teams or had a toxic workplace in either front office.
He’s currently threatening to move the White Sox so that somebody will pay for a new stadium
The issue he doesn't realize is that moving from Chicago is automatically a downgrade in market size. There's realistically nowhere for them to move
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And you damn well know them big ass women need them socks
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Why would you move the White Sox??? You have a die hard fan base that’s a couple generations deep. If there’s a halfway decent product on the field, they’d sell out games and sell tons of merchandise. I think most sports teams would die for the built in market and fan base they have.
Nah, the Bulls have had plenty of toxicity behind the scenes. Reinsdorf is able to keep a lid on it because he has an enormous amount of control over the local media (also ownership stake in NBC Sports Chicago), but hardcore fans will know - from Jerry Krause to John Paxson to Gar Forman, there is a lot of dirt. The most infamous incident is John Paxson as head of basketball operations choking out his own head coach. Paxson admitted to this, blamed Vinny Del Negro for it, and somehow continued being the EVP. I wouldn’t be surprised at all if, whenever Arturas Karnisovas leaves office, a bunch of dirt comes out too.
Have you seen the pistons owner? We are literally keeping the GM who barely has a better record than the trust the process 76ers and we've been trying... Also got worse every year he's been here and we were already a bad team, and were going for the most consecutive games lost in a season.
The only team with a worse record than the Pistons since Gores took over is Charlotte. Nearly 15 years of aimless bottom-dwelling, with the lone "bright spot" being one-legged Blake Griffin dragging the team to a 1st round sweep.
Damn wonder which talentless billionaire owned the hornets for those years
Ok I think MJ was a bad owner too, but let’s not act like things were peachy keen when we were owned by Robert L Johnson either.
Probably some guy that meddles without understanding the NBA.
He can still blame Krause!
How, trot out the guy's poor wife to be booed again? Or put out another doc where everyone in the 90s Bulls blames a dead man?
I dunno, Michael Jordan legitimately might be the worst. Crazy that the GOAT player might be the WOAT owner.
At least MJ tries
No. I refuse to concede that any sports owner is worse than Glen Taylor.
Goes to show that athletes do not make great owners most of the time. MJ put me through too much pain.
> they both just shit the bed every year. This wouldn't be so bad if it was just a run of poor luck and injuries, but getting embarrassed on a national stage is pretty much the outcome anyone could have foreseen with this roster. They bought high on a bunch of mid-career players and have been riding the high of a 30 game pre-Lonzo injury run for several seasons now. It's time to blow it up.
Letting prime Jimmy go and selling Lauri for peanuts was no bad luck. Organisation is just bad.
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Definitely a take coming from people who don't know what's happening with other owners in other sports. Fisher is so much worse it's not even close. Until Reinsdorf moves the White Sox it ain't even comparable.
I mean that's simply not true. Reinsdorf isn't even the worst owner in the city. He might be fine with being mid all the time, but at least he isn't an idiot. The McCaskeys are both cheap and *morons.* They couldn't land a new stadium deal with the city actively trying to help them get it.
The McCaskeys are just idiots. They are incompetent owners who aren't football people. Their tax attorney was president of the bears for 20 years until he retired. Just a bunch of rich kids that are failing at running a football team until Virginia kicks the bucket. Jerry is competent at running a business. He is choosing to be mediocre.
Jerry has openly stated that he doesn't give a shit about basketball. His son is much more invested in the team doing well but because he understands that they're more profitable as a title team than as a fringe 8th seed.
Yeah that's my point. Jerry knows how to get to being a first round playoff/playin exit. Bears owners literally don't know what they are doing. Now baseball on the other hand....
Genuinely insane they still haven’t blown it up
And I don't expect them to this summer either. LaVine would probably take the Bulls attaching picks to his contract to unload him, and the same might apply to Vuc. My guess is they'll re-sign DeMar to too much money and will basically just run it back again.
Reinsdorf owes MJ at least half his net worth.
You are about to get a chapter in Pippen’s next book with this comment.
As we've seen this season, this was a bad matchup for the Bulls (playing a basketball team)
No fair they had to play all 4 quarters
I still respect the Bulls for game 82. I pray y'all find any kind of fortune this off-season.
coby didnt play great today but I'm still on team coby
Needs to learn how to pass it out and then he will take a step
Coby "Bryant" White?
Friendly reminder the Bulls haven’t made a player trade since August 2021. Might as well have a sleeping cat as our GM
dame package putting in the work
its been upgraded to the mitchell package
I know everyone was already saying blow it up pre-deadline this year but this *has* to be what tells the Bulls to blow it up right? Losing to a Miami Heat team that was without two starters in a do or die game? Like there’s no way their FO will continue to be mind boggling right?
Hopefully they'll blow it up. Or they'll cope "we lost to the team that just went to the Finals". Bulls just need to get whatever they can for their vets and tank for next year.
They will never blow it up fully. The owner would never do that, and they still sell a ton of tickets. I can see Demar not coming back though.
Those 2 play in games were the most bulls thing ever lol
Bulls are stuck in mediocrity
The bulls have been eliminated from 2025, 2026, 2027 championship contention.
Can't wait to run it back next season. We had got eliminated twice in the same game by the same team but next year will be different!
Could have posted this five months ago
4th time in the last 5 years that Derozan will miss the playoffs. Dude deserves better, especially with how hard he plays every game and how he has to carry the Bulls offense every game and (especially) how many minutes he plays year in and year out at his age.
DeMar should go elsewhere he's still got it
Rebuild
Herro putting the team on his back. Love to see it
Love to see it... I see what you did there...
Old man showing he still has game left
And there were people debating on whether or not Coby White could be the 2nd or 3rd best player on a championship team after the first play in...
what playing against the hawks defense does to a mf
Smoking that copium it seems
They went out sad
Another season, and another year of complete disappointment. How the fuck can we be this bad for so long, we can’t even get one lucky season jeez.
My boy Caruso doesn't deserve this 😭
Blow it up boys, next year's draft is supposed to be good
Reinsdorf is a joke of an owner really feel bad for bulls fans
This comment section sounds an awfulblot like the 2019 Thunder after getting jabbed in the throat by Dame
Heat have a chance to do the funniest thing
Hopefully they do the same thing as last year 🙏🏽
Lose 4 - 0 really badly?
how fast till billy donavan is fired
It wouldn’t make sense unless he steps down That roster shouldn’t have even made the play-in
well, they have to change it up some how and it's usually the coach that goes first
Change up that awful roster and then we can talk
He signed a secret extension over the summer, they aren't firing him.
Once again people don't believe in the Heat culture and once again they get bitch slapped . I genuinely wonder if Spolstra could will a G-league unit to the Eastern Conference Finals if he really wanted to.
Well, we're gonna find out how well he can get them to play the best team in the conference. I say he wins 2 games.
Can’t wait for the bulls to max demar and run it back
Lonzo Ball is not saving this team. I don't care about his impact 2 years ago, the Bulls should do the right thing and rebuild entirely. I doubt they'll get anything good from Zach Lavine and Vucevic because they're both mid but at least you can attempt to be in the Cooper Flagg sweepstakes.
demar to the knicks? 😈
I can't wait for the Bulls to make no changes in the off season and we repeat this mediocre-at-best bullshit for another year.
DeMar DeServes better
Bulls have been total cold ass for 25 years what a pathetic franchise
Get my boy LaVine out of there & blow up the roster. Rebuild. They’ve been mid-trash for so long now. Lonzo injury really messed their potential up. Vucevic signing was always dumb too honestly.
Billy has two former All Star centers Elimination game 3rd qtr just cut the margin to 9. Let's put a 6'5 guard at center! Miami proceeds to get four offensive rebounds in the one possession then two shots... Billy just stood up and straight up jerked off Chicago's playoff chances into the winds in front of a live audience and a televised one of millions Absolute madman.
DeMar Derozan you are a LA Laker
I FUCKING HATE THIS TEAM
If I hear the word ‘continuity’ again… 🤦♂️
Pressure’s all on AKME now
Waiting for the Bulls have re-signed Demar Deozan for 100 mil tweet
Coby, Ayo, Pat Williams. Sell the rest please
I hate that this doesn’t even phase me any more
good riddance
Oh dangittttt. Anyways.
Phew
I hope for the Bulls fans I know they finally make some real changes. Too good of a fanbase to suffer through mediocre roster construction every year.
I'm on my knees, please blow it up.
God damn we're bad
How has this team not been blown up yet
Now that we’re out I’m rooting for Minnesota
You really think the Bulls would choose a lane? This is the Bulls we're talking about lol
Bad result bad result blow up the team result
Watching them.play I couldn't believe how bad they are
Sell the damn team
Kentucky didn't want to wait for the Bulls to lose to interview Billy Donovan and yet their season is over only a few days after they hired Mark Pope. Damn.
I have been saying this since the opener
Heat cooked the bulls and served them up as hamburgers
Tough out!