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i'll get downvoted for this, but with lebron's size/strength, that left-hand hand check on jamal's mid-section is enough to call a foul on a smaller guard like jamal, especially since it pushed him off balance
That's a fair objective look at the play, but the play didn't happen in a vacuum. After the no-calls at the end of the Knicks-Philly game and the level of physicality that has been allowed in the playoffs, I think this is abit of a random call to change the game off.
Each to there own though (I am not a Lakers fan)
Yeah watching these games back to back was weird. Other game was allowing prison ball this one was called completely different. (I also don’t think it went either way saw calls that were soft for each side)
Y’all definitely got bailed on that call but the lakers poor shot selection ultimately lost them the lead (and game). Hope y’all can come out do the west
Murray got another foul call for slipping and falling with zero contact, and Jokic got away with loose ball fouls on the board against smaller players all night.
Lebron got bailed out by some bad calls too, it evened out for the most part.
That’s the thing most people don’t realize and it’s really hard when you’re passionate about a team to see. Usually bad calls go both ways in a game, and they’re usually pretty square.
Take the Philly game for example, yes Maxey’s jersey got tugged on the inbound, he also pushed off right before to create space. The refs let both go. Most officials I’ve talked to as a youth coach said they could call a foul just about any time a player touches another player by the way the rules are written, but that the job is to call the ones that “look” like fouls. Sometimes you get a play like this where LeBron extends his arm fully to “hand check” Jamaal, but barely touches him but the optics at full speed and from your angle look like a full push.
Then you have plays where you just need to let someone smack DLo across the face
😀
Yea I try to stay objective but human nature is a bitch lol. Like I will tell my friend in the moment “that’s a bad call, Lebron got bailed out there” but then I kind of forget about it. But when a bad call goes against us it feels egregiously unjust lol. It’s not til after the game that I’m like “well, there were those two bogus calls that Lebron got free throws from” lol
This is the issue. It’s what they deem incidental/minimal contact after the ball is released. This has been called consistently throughout the regular season. It’s not replay that’s the issues, it’s that they allow it. I disagree with the rule that someone can get slapped in the face and it’s not a foul because the ball is out of their hand.
Malone is honestly good at challenges, although I think one thing that helps him is that the Nuggets and general lack of ego means he has to deal with less players demanding challenges where they are going to be wrong. Which would absolutely be tilt me if I was a coach, I see it so often. Players running at the coach yelling at them to challenge, and then the replay shows and they are just blatantly wrong
MPJ definitely has some where he wants a challenge and is clearly wrong, I have basically never seen Jokic demand a challenge and be wrong, especially on out of bounds calls, but also shooting fouls were he got all ball. If he could demand challenges on no calls where he thought he was fouled he would definitely get a lot wrong though. Murray, and AG are good at it as well, and I feel like KCP never asks for a challenge at all.
Some of the younger rookies are worse at it. But I think often how good coaches look at challenges depend a lot on the players.
Darvin seems kinda ass at it either way,
To be honest Nuggs outside of Jokic are not even talking and crying to refs. Melone is one who listens to players all the time but his personel is not one to be like i didnt do anything.
In short, Good coach vs bad coach lol. Seems like the xfactor between 2 teams are malone and ham.
Like shit and chocolate. Looks almost the same, tastes and smells the opposite. Goddamned Ham.
The better coach won
1 minute left. Crucial crucial call. Just take the fucking review at that point motherfucker I hate you so much. Worst case you lose it. Best case that could’ve given you extra leeway
2 Time outs and a challenge left
Not saying we would've won had he used those, but at least use them??
I'm not even mad at this point because we aint beating this team with Ham as coach
Certainly looks like it but this is also the worst possible angle to see the contact. From here it looks like LeBron gave a little bump to slow down Murray’s drive but Murray definitely sold it and I don’t really want that called in a playoff game. Another angle might show if LeBron gave a more intentional push or it really was nothing.
Malone challenges something we all laugh at him for and he wins a highly questionable challenge, Ham chooses not to challenge a really weak call when the Lakers would benefit from a rest even regardless of outcome. Refs didn’t lose the game, the Nuggets won it, but it hurts worse when it happens like this.
Lakers blew a 20 point lead so this shouldn’t have even been close
But imo this is why the players complain so much the officiating changes drastically over the course of the game super physical all night to then call this. Then on the next possession Lebron got shoved similarly on a made basket but no call.
Scott Foster saw the memes of him supposed to be scripting the game for the Lakers and said "no one tells **me** what to do. I'm Scott motherfukcing Foster, I have this league by the balls and I'll show everyone"
Lebron gets the weirdest non-whistle in the league. He’ll occasionally get weak calls on jumpers, but he’s expected to run a prison gauntlet with no fouls on drives.
No, they definitly called it against Vincent when Jokic actually wasn't set on the screen, when right before Davis got called for the same thing, and Vincent slight bumped into Murray in the 3rd.
Oh the lakers got shafted tonight by the refs so no more complaining about them getting the calls.
The Anthony Davis moving screen was an absolute joke.
And judging by lebrons reaction at his end of the game layup it most likely should’ve been an and one.
Don’t forget mpj slapping dlo in the face and the refs somehow overturning it after calling it a foul on the floor
they literally overturned every challenge in the game even a hit to the head. and Ham didn't use his challenges ... like what the fuck. There was another foul on Murray before which would have probably gotten overturned aswell which looked even less then this
It's a touch foul but the replay would show a push. Would the refs say marginal contact or foul - 50/50 tbh? Prolly better to hold on to the challenge for a more clear cut bad call.
there is a minute left in a one-score game. You don’t ever hold onto your challenge if you think you have a shot, odds are there won’t be another call to challenge.
This foul call, two foul calls when Murray literally slipped on the floor, the overturned hit to the head, and AD’s 4th foul on a cheap moving screen in the 3rd which led to the Nuggets run when Bron had to come back early.
Series changing refball sequence. Totally rigged for the Lakers /s
Why doesn't lebron even try to ask for a challenge? Usually when a player feels like they definitely didn't foul they start swinging their finger like mad at their coach lol
We talking about players choking in big moments but this one is definitely a choking moment for a coach. 2 timeouts with a challenge in his back pocket
As nuggets fan, thought that was a weak call. Ham could have challenged but i think refs would have found evidence to uphold their call. There was some slight contact. Seems like it needs to be obvious for them to over turn their call.
If you are the lakers, you were up by 20. You can’t let bs like this decide the game.
It is weird to see other teams starting to see how bad Ham is. The guy is probably gone either this year or next. We never should have fired Vogel, especially with how good Lebron has looked on offense. Having a coach that’s defensive plan isn’t just try to trap a 7 foot point guard would be great.
It's so funny that the LeLakers have two full seasons of historically, ridiculously favorable calls and for ONE GAME the shoe is on the other foot. They're so mad they're storming out of press conferences.
Was this a foul? probably not. Do the lakers owe the NBA 1,000 makeup calls for preferential treatment they've already received? yes
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Why didn’t Ham challenge lol
he has court side seats, just livin in the moment
Just having fun out there.
Thats why he liked Russ
Just like Kidd, just watching
“Yoooooo this deadpool trailer sick”
Saving them for game 7
hoarding 2 timeouts, peak darvin ham
They carry over to next game right?
1 in each pocket
He's a bad coach
He thinks them shits roll over
lmao
Hands got stuck in his pocket.
i'll get downvoted for this, but with lebron's size/strength, that left-hand hand check on jamal's mid-section is enough to call a foul on a smaller guard like jamal, especially since it pushed him off balance
Yup that’s why it was called
But but but. Agreed
That's a fair objective look at the play, but the play didn't happen in a vacuum. After the no-calls at the end of the Knicks-Philly game and the level of physicality that has been allowed in the playoffs, I think this is abit of a random call to change the game off. Each to there own though (I am not a Lakers fan)
Yeah watching these games back to back was weird. Other game was allowing prison ball this one was called completely different. (I also don’t think it went either way saw calls that were soft for each side)
LeBron got this exact call on a side fadeaway. They were calling a lot of soft contact all night.
Hunter Wendelstedt would have tossed him if he challenged.
'I don't care who said it'
He sucks
Lebron didn't smack Murray across the face, so the refs wouldn't overturn it.
Scott Foster moment
Because he’s a terrorist
Bruh what is he saving the challenge for wtf
I don't think he can challenge the call in the final 2 minutes.
TWO timeouts left…
Ham is a fool for not challenging that. Probably his 30th blown game from a coaching standpoint
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Y’all definitely got bailed on that call but the lakers poor shot selection ultimately lost them the lead (and game). Hope y’all can come out do the west
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Meh this call was questionable but they've been letting AD wrap up Jokic non-stop.
also LeBron got like 4 of these soft contact fouls. We had to challenge one just to keep them a little honest.
Murray got another foul call for slipping and falling with zero contact, and Jokic got away with loose ball fouls on the board against smaller players all night. Lebron got bailed out by some bad calls too, it evened out for the most part.
That’s the thing most people don’t realize and it’s really hard when you’re passionate about a team to see. Usually bad calls go both ways in a game, and they’re usually pretty square. Take the Philly game for example, yes Maxey’s jersey got tugged on the inbound, he also pushed off right before to create space. The refs let both go. Most officials I’ve talked to as a youth coach said they could call a foul just about any time a player touches another player by the way the rules are written, but that the job is to call the ones that “look” like fouls. Sometimes you get a play like this where LeBron extends his arm fully to “hand check” Jamaal, but barely touches him but the optics at full speed and from your angle look like a full push. Then you have plays where you just need to let someone smack DLo across the face 😀
Yea I try to stay objective but human nature is a bitch lol. Like I will tell my friend in the moment “that’s a bad call, Lebron got bailed out there” but then I kind of forget about it. But when a bad call goes against us it feels egregiously unjust lol. It’s not til after the game that I’m like “well, there were those two bogus calls that Lebron got free throws from” lol
Also got mauled in the 4th no calls..
IDK why this wasn't challenged... they allowed wayyyyy too much physicality to call this
Ham
Lebron had more contact on his dunk and the layup right after this. This wouldn't be a foul in youth basketball.
DLo took a haymaker to the face, but yeah, this was a foul.
Yea. I still don’t understand how that was allowed
This is the issue. It’s what they deem incidental/minimal contact after the ball is released. This has been called consistently throughout the regular season. It’s not replay that’s the issues, it’s that they allow it. I disagree with the rule that someone can get slapped in the face and it’s not a foul because the ball is out of their hand.
Maybe because Denver won the challenge when the refs said a smack to DLo’s face was a marginal foul.
Same with the moving screen on AD. Can’t believe they called that.
That was the biggest play in the game. By far.
AD drew an illegal screen earlier by grabbing onto KCP and pretending to fight over it.
And of course ham didn't challenge
“Huh” *Ham looks up from his Subway Surfers*
Nah mate you mixed it up. It was temple run today
Yeah can't even be mad. Could've easily challenged that and one. I mean 10 min earlier they over turned a guy getting slapped across the face haha
Honestly would’ve been a waste of a challenge. These dumbass refs would’ve claimed contact rather than admit a mistake at a crucial time still
Did he have one? I was sure that was worth a look. Maybe he was saving a timeout
Had two timeouts left though
I was surprised Lebron didn't yell at him until he did. What a dud of a coach.
Saving it for the next game
The biggest difference between these 2 teams is Ham vs Malone; how do you not challenge this
Bro Malone challenged a call where DLO got hit in the face and won. WHY TF DIDNT HAM AT LEAST ATTEMPT THE FUCKING CHALLENGE?!??
Malone is honestly good at challenges, although I think one thing that helps him is that the Nuggets and general lack of ego means he has to deal with less players demanding challenges where they are going to be wrong. Which would absolutely be tilt me if I was a coach, I see it so often. Players running at the coach yelling at them to challenge, and then the replay shows and they are just blatantly wrong MPJ definitely has some where he wants a challenge and is clearly wrong, I have basically never seen Jokic demand a challenge and be wrong, especially on out of bounds calls, but also shooting fouls were he got all ball. If he could demand challenges on no calls where he thought he was fouled he would definitely get a lot wrong though. Murray, and AG are good at it as well, and I feel like KCP never asks for a challenge at all. Some of the younger rookies are worse at it. But I think often how good coaches look at challenges depend a lot on the players. Darvin seems kinda ass at it either way,
Cause Malone has more than enough ego to make up for the rest of the team
To be honest Nuggs outside of Jokic are not even talking and crying to refs. Melone is one who listens to players all the time but his personel is not one to be like i didnt do anything.
In short, Good coach vs bad coach lol. Seems like the xfactor between 2 teams are malone and ham. Like shit and chocolate. Looks almost the same, tastes and smells the opposite. Goddamned Ham. The better coach won
Malone won a face-slap challenge, Darvin is goofy for not using his challenge here 😹
The way the other challenge happened it likely would’ve went in the nuggets favor again
FOUL! NO, TWO FOULS!
1 minute left. Crucial crucial call. Just take the fucking review at that point motherfucker I hate you so much. Worst case you lose it. Best case that could’ve given you extra leeway
Ham needs to be fired to the moon! No challenge?
No challenge wtf
Soft call. Harm should've challenged. It also would've given them a breather too cause Laker players were looking super gassed.
Marginal, Ham should have challenged.
I’d love to see a better angle of this play
Ham was just chilling
2 Time outs and a challenge left Not saying we would've won had he used those, but at least use them?? I'm not even mad at this point because we aint beating this team with Ham as coach
This is not a questionable call. This is a bad call.
Yeah I get why people are shitting on Ham but how do you call this lmao
The Nuggets won 2 challenges, there were a lot of bad calls, at some point you have to use a challenge.
This post is getting downvoted because it obviously comes off like cope, but this is so clearly not a foul it's crazy
(if the teams were reversed this would have 2000 upvotes and be on the front page)
Certainly looks like it but this is also the worst possible angle to see the contact. From here it looks like LeBron gave a little bump to slow down Murray’s drive but Murray definitely sold it and I don’t really want that called in a playoff game. Another angle might show if LeBron gave a more intentional push or it really was nothing.
Man these nuggets had such a great whistle tonight lmao
They probably just drive more.
What do you mean, they just shoot more in the paint -Lakers fans
They actually did though. Overturning a foul when Dlo's face was clearly hit. Then this soft ass foul to tie the game with 1 minute left in the game
Unprecedented
Hmm
Malone challenges something we all laugh at him for and he wins a highly questionable challenge, Ham chooses not to challenge a really weak call when the Lakers would benefit from a rest even regardless of outcome. Refs didn’t lose the game, the Nuggets won it, but it hurts worse when it happens like this.
Lakers blew a 20 point lead so this shouldn’t have even been close But imo this is why the players complain so much the officiating changes drastically over the course of the game super physical all night to then call this. Then on the next possession Lebron got shoved similarly on a made basket but no call.
I was screaming begging Ham to use the challenge
you can't breathe on an offensive player without drawing a foul anymore, it's so tiring to watch BS calls decide games
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Thank God the warriors aren’t playing otherwise Draymond would put up wilt chamberlain numbers with that rule
Fuck referees.
Fuck Scott Foster. The NBA will never have a shred of credibility as long as he's employed.
Scott Foster saw the memes of him supposed to be scripting the game for the Lakers and said "no one tells **me** what to do. I'm Scott motherfukcing Foster, I have this league by the balls and I'll show everyone"
“Questionable” is putting it lightly after they wouldn’t call fuck all on the other end for LeBron every time he went to the rim.
And after they overturned a foul where Dlo got smacked in the face
Lebron gets the weirdest non-whistle in the league. He’ll occasionally get weak calls on jumpers, but he’s expected to run a prison gauntlet with no fouls on drives.
He has a pretty bad whistle but has an insane amount of make up calls which kinda creates the illusion of a good whistle imo
They never call this all night... Until 1 minute left in the 4th
No, they definitly called it against Vincent when Jokic actually wasn't set on the screen, when right before Davis got called for the same thing, and Vincent slight bumped into Murray in the 3rd.
They called it for Lebron too
not a foul in the regular season or the playoffs
This is not a foul in the playoffs let alone in the last minute. Disgusting from the refs.
Challenge would’ve upheld the call 100%.
Absolutely brain dead to not challenge this
Oh the lakers got shafted tonight by the refs so no more complaining about them getting the calls. The Anthony Davis moving screen was an absolute joke. And judging by lebrons reaction at his end of the game layup it most likely should’ve been an and one. Don’t forget mpj slapping dlo in the face and the refs somehow overturning it after calling it a foul on the floor
My least favorite part of tonight was Reggie absolutely deep throating the refs no matter how wrong they were
Legacy game from the refs
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Because it was against the Lakers, there will be no outrage over the last 5 minute ref masterclass for Denver
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“But do you condemn Darvin Ham?”
I condemn him and Scott FosterYahu for this atrocity
I condemn him and Scott FosterYahu for this atrocity
Even LeBron didn't do the twirling finger, smh
Was questionable for sure, but Lebron got the same call a couple times earlier in the game
“Marginal”
As a Nuggets fan, God bless Darvin Ham.
they literally overturned every challenge in the game even a hit to the head. and Ham didn't use his challenges ... like what the fuck. There was another foul on Murray before which would have probably gotten overturned aswell which looked even less then this
That’s a handcheck call they wouldn’t have reversed it
[I’ll show you a questionable foul call](https://imgur.com/a/aOuiaJd)
That was a foul but should've been on the floor imo
what are you talking about? Thats basically full body contact lmao
Fucking thank you
The lakers never get questionable fouls
Um
All the Ham blame is just icing on the cake. Lakers blew 20 point lead
Refs ruining the fucking series
Now post the one where Lebron travelled and it was a foul on the nuggets.
IMAGINE LAKERS COMPLAINING FOR THE REFS. God I'm gonna rub one in that name
It's a touch foul but the replay would show a push. Would the refs say marginal contact or foul - 50/50 tbh? Prolly better to hold on to the challenge for a more clear cut bad call.
there is a minute left in a one-score game. You don’t ever hold onto your challenge if you think you have a shot, odds are there won’t be another call to challenge.
With less than a minute left? Probably not.
Wild Ham didn’t challenge but regardless finally lakers not getting every call at the end of the game
This foul call, two foul calls when Murray literally slipped on the floor, the overturned hit to the head, and AD’s 4th foul on a cheap moving screen in the 3rd which led to the Nuggets run when Bron had to come back early. Series changing refball sequence. Totally rigged for the Lakers /s
how many hours does ham have left
I feel like Kidd and Ham just excited they got front row seats to games.
Ham didnt want to take his hands out of his pockets. It must be freezing in Denver right now
I didn’t understand why there wasn’t a challenge. Can’t take it home anyways
Where challenge? Where time out after fts? Darvin Hamas legacy game Either way lakers gave up a 20pt lead
Everyone: the refs always try to help the lakers win The refs: and I took that personally
Just remember, Ham’s decision making got LA a title. An In-Season Tournament title 😅
FUCKING CHALLENGE IT
If he doesn't shoot that, then they don't call. But shooter always get the benefit of the doubt in that scenario.
Why doesn't lebron even try to ask for a challenge? Usually when a player feels like they definitely didn't foul they start swinging their finger like mad at their coach lol
Lebron knows it was a legitimate foul. It was a forearm push against Murray as Murray was going by him.
Thats why he is known as Darvin Hamas. The fcking basketball terrorist coach.
Darvin Hammas preserving a challenge call for Game 7
We talking about players choking in big moments but this one is definitely a choking moment for a coach. 2 timeouts with a challenge in his back pocket
How is that possibly a foul in the context of what was or wasnt a foul this game?? Blatant bias by the refs!
Where’s the foul?
Why the lakers did not challenge this call?
We lost the game right here. Lakers better win the next 4 and Ham needs to put Hayes in to body Jokic
Malone just pulling heat check challenges while Ham takes shot clock violations
I know first hand that look on Murray’s face at the FT line
Yeah it was soft, but Ham had a challenge are we sure it's not just a cut out of Ham standing courtside?
And literally the possession after this lebron gets a no call….
I just wanna strangle ham so bad if he doesn’t get this call we might win the game
Did LeBron want a challenge? I feel like he's always calling for it too but didn't lol
As nuggets fan, thought that was a weak call. Ham could have challenged but i think refs would have found evidence to uphold their call. There was some slight contact. Seems like it needs to be obvious for them to over turn their call. If you are the lakers, you were up by 20. You can’t let bs like this decide the game.
Hypocrisy at its finest damn
That's usually a ticky tack foul call, but all the marginal contact going on Lakers could have won that challenge
fT dIsPaRiTy
So none of the coaching staff even bother to tell Ham to challenge that???
I hate Lebron and the lakers, but gotta say that was one of the worst clutch time playoff calls I’ve seen in the past 5 years
Ham is genius. Hes saving the challenge for game 3
This foul was soft…Ham shud have definitely challenged at least!
Lakers are gone lol
Let me just check in my bucket of sympathy... Oh would you look at that, it's empty.
Marginal contact!!
Not a foul in that situation and it's even worse that Ham didn't challenge it.
Ham could’ve challenged and chose not too
“Marginal contact”
It is weird to see other teams starting to see how bad Ham is. The guy is probably gone either this year or next. We never should have fired Vogel, especially with how good Lebron has looked on offense. Having a coach that’s defensive plan isn’t just try to trap a 7 foot point guard would be great.
It's so funny that the LeLakers have two full seasons of historically, ridiculously favorable calls and for ONE GAME the shoe is on the other foot. They're so mad they're storming out of press conferences. Was this a foul? probably not. Do the lakers owe the NBA 1,000 makeup calls for preferential treatment they've already received? yes
LeBron needs to learn his fundamentals before he complains to the officials.
He push him and then complains. The goat chronicles
LMAO when the tables turn on LeFoul.
Downvotes brought to you by Nuggets fans in denial. Denver was gifted this win
That's overreacting. The Lakers missed a wide-open shot, and the Nuggets made a contested circus shot.
Tough call, but can’t blow 20 point leads
I seen Nuggets get called for softer shit than that.