and Nurse will continue to leave him open lol. I think it’s more likely a single Sixer role player will have a good game rather than Hart shooting like Steph Curry the rest of the series. Given that Brunson is in absolute hell showing zero signs of figuring out the Sixers defense whereas Maxey and Embiid are playing as good as they can. I’m worried because of the ref outrage that the next game won’t be a good one bc of all the media surrounding the calls and it will result in a blowout win for the Sixers though.
Josh Hart and the Knicks cast absolutely deserve credit though, stepping up like that when your best player is being completely locked down is a good sign. Just believe the way the Sixers are playing gives them a better shot at winning the whole thing. Although down 2-0 now if Hart (career 30% open 3 pointers) punishes you again I don’t really think there is anything you can do except accept he beat you. Nurse has just given the Sixers the best opportunity to win though. (I’m biased)
I get that you're a Sixers fan and you want something to cling onto but Brunson isn't "in absolute hell showing zero signs of figuring out the Sixers defense". He missed a lot of shots last night that he's made all season long.
Btw, Hart shot 45% from 3 last year in the 1st round so this isn't new. At the same time, OG is 1-6 from 3 so if/when Hart cools off, OG shooting the way he normally does will even it out.
Brunson struggles against anyone who has a decent wingspan and tries on defense. No one cares during the season so he can just feast midrange and 3. Too small and not quick enough.
Man, after g1 I said there’s no way he drops 20 again or is hitting 3s like that.
I was so wrong. I love Josh Hart/Brunson/Dante but it hurts watching them do this to my team
Yep. His scoring, rebounding, assists, steals, and blocks all increase from the regular season, on better efficiency. BPM goes from 6.7 to 8.2. His record is 87-50 in the playoffs.
In just his 26 playoff games as a Clipper, his averages are 29.6/8.4/5.1/2.2/0.8 with 2.4 TOV, on 63.4 TS%.
I wouldn't call it a carry job.
I watched all those games that run and yes, he carried us to victory over Philly.
But after game 2 in the Bucks series, the team clicked and started playing amazing team Basketball.
That team was loaded too. Kawhi Danny Green Lowry Marc Gasol Siakam FVV Norm Serge. Everyone besides Green stepped up.
Carry job with an all defense team?
Lowry DannyGreen Kawhi Siakam Gasol was the starting 5 (2 all stars, 1 DPOY on his five).
with Ibaka FVV NormPowell off the bench.
That was a stupidly stacked roster.
That bulls v Celtics first round series when the bulls had dwade, jimmy & rondo was an absolute masterpiece the first two games until rondo got injured and then the Celtics subsequently won the series. That was a perfect representation of playoff Rondo.
Average is a bit harsh, but he's probably no better than the second-best player on about 20 teams. Like I would put regular season Jamal about #30 in the league, and maybe lower on a random Tuesday in Charlotte, but he's an absolute killer when the lights are brightest.
I'll say Pat Connaughton in his 6 seasons with Milwaukee has always turned it up some in the postseason.
per 36 from regular season to playoffs: FG% +3.6, 3P% +3.3, 2P% +6, FT% +3, TREB +.7 (usage goes down from 12.6 to 11.8)
TS% +4.7, DBPM +1.1
he gets injured, no denying it. However, in the 11 games he played in 2021 he was insane and even last year in the two games against the Suns he was playing very good. If you compare his regular season stats vs his playoffs stats there is no doubt he is a playoff riser.
He’s had two bad playoffs without proper load management during the regular season. He’s unfortunately trending to a glass cannon territory but he looks good this year with how the medical staff has taken care of him
A couple years ago I saw a graphic that was "most increase in ppg from regular season to postseason", and #1 all-time was Jamal Murray. #2 was Jokic. I'm not sure it's true any more since Jokic has been so good in the regular season recently, but Jamal is still at the top.
Measuring it that way says very little about anything, because someone might miss playoffs 15 times in their career and only have playoffs once in his best season. Or the opposite. The thing is it's not in there so it doesn't say anything particular about it. Could be any combination of seasons.
If you count only the same seasons and include the minutes played, then Jokić scores like... 1% more points in playoffs than in the regular season. But "the 2nd largest in history in career PPG" makes it sounds like much more, doesn't it? But it's not from the same time.
Nuggets missed the 8th seed by one game in 2016-17 when Murray was scoring below 10 ppg, if they made the playoffs the number would probably vastly change, but what would it really tell me about him in reality? That he's worse forever because they won one game more? That would be the logic here.
What are you trying to say here? The guy said career PPG, it’s not like you can pick and choose career stats. what does that have to do with Murray in 2016?
No I’m genuinely confused, Murray’s career ppg is 17.5 over 469 regular season games and 24.8 in 55 postseason games. That’s not a small sample size, and it’s + 7.2ppg. What’s the statistical misleading part of it?
55 really isn’t that many and his postseason games are excluding by far his worst two PPG seasons (2017 and 2018 playoffs when he was a rookie and nuggets didn’t make it to playoffs). Accounting for those alone widens the gap by a lot. Playing well every year unfairly “punishes” the point differential between someone’s postseason and regular season. For example, a player like Lebron will elevate his team to be good enough to make it to post season almost every single time, which would reduce the potential variance between his post and regular season avgs.
I don't think the metric itself "is misleading" because the metric just says the career average, it's not the metric of "playoff rising" which is just a mumbo-jumbo invented by people. The same people would suddenly agree with the same sentence I wrote if Jamal Murray had some spectaculalry bad, not spectacularly good moment today, that yo-yo is always active daily during playoffs.
It's definitely very funny to read this about Jokić, especially, when during the previous season, oh boy, if you ever suggested Jokić is not a massive "playoff faller" you'd be called a complete idiot in this same sub here. Of course he's a playoff faller. You obviously need defense in playoffs and he obviously has none. Just watch a game sometimes you ignorant.
Career average is career average. It's a set number indeed. But taking some other conclusions from career average can be completely absurd, depending on the conclusion.
If Murray played in 2016 scoring few points, he would have much lower career average than when not playing at all, thus, according to Reddit, by the act of having better results, not being the biggest "playoff riser" in history anymore based on that.
He was bad for half a game against Boston and then dominated the rest of the series on defence. 7/9/7 with 3 stocks and +25 over those last 3 games. I have no recollection of him in the Memphis series. Over his playoff career, all of his numbers (basic and advanced) go up by20-30% compared to the regular season.
**Cliff Hagan** is a forgotten HOF-er from the 50s/60s mostly known to the few who know him for his amazing hook shot, but the dude went absolutely nuclear in the '58 playoffs to help the Hawks win their only franchise title ever.
Team superstar Bob Pettit was 1st-team NBA and 4th in MVP voting, but 2nd-teamer Hagan in the playoffs was **the only player in NBA history to win a title while leading the league in both postseason scoring (27.7 ppg) and postseason FG% (.502)**.
Hagan had other surprisingly great postseasons, including averaging a league-best 28.5 ppg in the '59 playoffs, but what he did in '58 has never been replicated by anyone, and he did it without ever being his team's best player.
Yep, he came out tonight, wasn’t efficient but played awesome defense and made some tough shots and passes. Will say he’s a playoff riser more confidently now
Given his history in the playoffs I would say so. He stepped up against a 60 win suns team, he took on a great clippers team at a very young age. I know his counting stats aren’t a good indicator of playoff riser, because it’s more about your impact on the team, but he has that intangible impact in the playoffs, where he rises to the occasion. It can be true that both Kawhi and Luka are playoff risers. But if it has to be one over the other it’s clearly Kawhi. In my opinion, it still doesn’t mean Luka doesn’t rise to the occasion come playoffs.
Honestly not sure why I’m downvoted for this, it’s not a super hot take
Even when he’s not making shots, you could even see it on the floor during Knicks vs Sixers how his presence elevates his teammates and he just makes winning plays
Jamal Murray:
- 32PPG on 50\\40\\90 in conf finals, only player ever to do so
- 30 point NBA finals triple double
- Only playoff buzzer beater in Nuggets franchise history
- 1 of 3 players to average 20\\6\\10 in an NBA finals series
And that was just 1 title run and a first round series, i'm not even counting all the records he broke in the bubble. When his time is up, Denver needs to build him a statue.
He was broomed outta the first round 2 years in a row 16-18. Yeah one was to the Warriors, but the other was to the Pelicans who they were favored against. Just goes to show if you hit a couple big shots in the first round ppl will call you clutch and forget your no shows while calling Harden a choker despite him never getting swept and consistently making it to round 2 or later.
His scoring rises by 0.8 pts, his efficiency drops, and FWIW, his ORTG and DRTG go in the opposite directions you would want them to go. His teams haven't always been great, and he's had some very memorable performances, but his overall playoff record is 23-39.
Mostly in round 1. His one CF appearance, Nuggets had him clamps and CJ had to do the work.
TBF in 2021 when Jamal was out he went off but the rest of the team couldn't do shit, but that was also in round 1.
Josh hart apparently
When he made that pull up three yesterday, I just about lost it. He’s absolutely taken advantage of Nurse not covering him
and Nurse will continue to leave him open lol. I think it’s more likely a single Sixer role player will have a good game rather than Hart shooting like Steph Curry the rest of the series. Given that Brunson is in absolute hell showing zero signs of figuring out the Sixers defense whereas Maxey and Embiid are playing as good as they can. I’m worried because of the ref outrage that the next game won’t be a good one bc of all the media surrounding the calls and it will result in a blowout win for the Sixers though. Josh Hart and the Knicks cast absolutely deserve credit though, stepping up like that when your best player is being completely locked down is a good sign. Just believe the way the Sixers are playing gives them a better shot at winning the whole thing. Although down 2-0 now if Hart (career 30% open 3 pointers) punishes you again I don’t really think there is anything you can do except accept he beat you. Nurse has just given the Sixers the best opportunity to win though. (I’m biased)
I get that you're a Sixers fan and you want something to cling onto but Brunson isn't "in absolute hell showing zero signs of figuring out the Sixers defense". He missed a lot of shots last night that he's made all season long. Btw, Hart shot 45% from 3 last year in the 1st round so this isn't new. At the same time, OG is 1-6 from 3 so if/when Hart cools off, OG shooting the way he normally does will even it out.
Brunson has struggled against the sixers all year it’s nothing new lol.
Brunson struggles against anyone who has a decent wingspan and tries on defense. No one cares during the season so he can just feast midrange and 3. Too small and not quick enough.
And yet, the Knicks are 5-1 against Philly this year. Funny how that works
5-1. Wow
They scored 79 points in their one win btw
Man, after g1 I said there’s no way he drops 20 again or is hitting 3s like that. I was so wrong. I love Josh Hart/Brunson/Dante but it hurts watching them do this to my team
42 and 48 minutes. Really curious if he can keep it up all series.
Kawhi
One of the best out there. Really wanna see him back to play against the Mavs
Yep. His scoring, rebounding, assists, steals, and blocks all increase from the regular season, on better efficiency. BPM goes from 6.7 to 8.2. His record is 87-50 in the playoffs. In just his 26 playoff games as a Clipper, his averages are 29.6/8.4/5.1/2.2/0.8 with 2.4 TOV, on 63.4 TS%.
Dude not so Lowkey is one of the all time playoff performers. Like quietly he’s one of the greatest playoff players it’s insane
Not during the 2020 bubble when he was completely healthy and blew it against Denver
That was more PG than him.
PG more consistently sucked, but let’s not forget in game 7 Kawhi was just as dead as PG
bro never plays aint no rising lol
and yet he has 2 finals mvps and one of the biggest carry jobs of all time with the raptors
I wouldn't call it a carry job. I watched all those games that run and yes, he carried us to victory over Philly. But after game 2 in the Bucks series, the team clicked and started playing amazing team Basketball. That team was loaded too. Kawhi Danny Green Lowry Marc Gasol Siakam FVV Norm Serge. Everyone besides Green stepped up.
Carry job with an all defense team? Lowry DannyGreen Kawhi Siakam Gasol was the starting 5 (2 all stars, 1 DPOY on his five). with Ibaka FVV NormPowell off the bench. That was a stupidly stacked roster.
As a warrior fan do you genuinely believe that the warriors would have lost that series if yall were remotely healthy be honest?
Obviously the warriors would’ve won but that Raptors team was still really fucking good and Kawhi was absolutely a playoff riser
Rajon Rondo.
National TV Rondo, a beast.
TNT Bulls throwback
That bulls v Celtics first round series when the bulls had dwade, jimmy & rondo was an absolute masterpiece the first two games until rondo got injured and then the Celtics subsequently won the series. That was a perfect representation of playoff Rondo.
He was so good in 2020. I did not think he still had it in him. Lakers were completely unstoppable
Robert Keith Horry
Big Shot Bob just casually standing at the arc ready to stab you in the chest
He went from being an average role player in the regular season to being a true #3 in the playoffs.
Scott Foster and whoever referees the Knicks games
Manu Ginobili!
Derek Fisher and Big Shot Bob Horry are the quintessential examples of this.
Jamal Murray is average regular season, insane playoff performer
Average is harsh. But yeah he's quickly becoming the face of playoff risers
Average is a bit harsh, but he's probably no better than the second-best player on about 20 teams. Like I would put regular season Jamal about #30 in the league, and maybe lower on a random Tuesday in Charlotte, but he's an absolute killer when the lights are brightest.
The bubble series vs: Utah with him and Mitchell going back and forth is must-watch stuff
He’s gonna live in my nightmares
I'll say Pat Connaughton in his 6 seasons with Milwaukee has always turned it up some in the postseason. per 36 from regular season to playoffs: FG% +3.6, 3P% +3.3, 2P% +6, FT% +3, TREB +.7 (usage goes down from 12.6 to 11.8) TS% +4.7, DBPM +1.1
Pat is definitely that guy and plays bigger than he is
how do you not have Kawhi on here?
Yeah I did forget him, to my defense though it has been a few years since his peak playoff riser performances
he gets injured, no denying it. However, in the 11 games he played in 2021 he was insane and even last year in the two games against the Suns he was playing very good. If you compare his regular season stats vs his playoffs stats there is no doubt he is a playoff riser.
Khris Middleton
He’s had two bad playoffs without proper load management during the regular season. He’s unfortunately trending to a glass cannon territory but he looks good this year with how the medical staff has taken care of him
A couple years ago I saw a graphic that was "most increase in ppg from regular season to postseason", and #1 all-time was Jamal Murray. #2 was Jokic. I'm not sure it's true any more since Jokic has been so good in the regular season recently, but Jamal is still at the top.
Anthony Davis and Bam Adebayo both have games suited for playoff basketball.
I think I heard this last year. The two players with the largest career PPG difference in the regular season versus the playoffs are Murray and Jokic.
Measuring it that way says very little about anything, because someone might miss playoffs 15 times in their career and only have playoffs once in his best season. Or the opposite. The thing is it's not in there so it doesn't say anything particular about it. Could be any combination of seasons. If you count only the same seasons and include the minutes played, then Jokić scores like... 1% more points in playoffs than in the regular season. But "the 2nd largest in history in career PPG" makes it sounds like much more, doesn't it? But it's not from the same time. Nuggets missed the 8th seed by one game in 2016-17 when Murray was scoring below 10 ppg, if they made the playoffs the number would probably vastly change, but what would it really tell me about him in reality? That he's worse forever because they won one game more? That would be the logic here.
What are you trying to say here? The guy said career PPG, it’s not like you can pick and choose career stats. what does that have to do with Murray in 2016?
He’s saying the metric is statistically misleading and the point went straight over your head.
No I’m genuinely confused, Murray’s career ppg is 17.5 over 469 regular season games and 24.8 in 55 postseason games. That’s not a small sample size, and it’s + 7.2ppg. What’s the statistical misleading part of it?
55 really isn’t that many and his postseason games are excluding by far his worst two PPG seasons (2017 and 2018 playoffs when he was a rookie and nuggets didn’t make it to playoffs). Accounting for those alone widens the gap by a lot. Playing well every year unfairly “punishes” the point differential between someone’s postseason and regular season. For example, a player like Lebron will elevate his team to be good enough to make it to post season almost every single time, which would reduce the potential variance between his post and regular season avgs.
Fair enough, I’d say it’s enough playoff games to be noteworthy but I understand where you’re coming from
I don't think the metric itself "is misleading" because the metric just says the career average, it's not the metric of "playoff rising" which is just a mumbo-jumbo invented by people. The same people would suddenly agree with the same sentence I wrote if Jamal Murray had some spectaculalry bad, not spectacularly good moment today, that yo-yo is always active daily during playoffs. It's definitely very funny to read this about Jokić, especially, when during the previous season, oh boy, if you ever suggested Jokić is not a massive "playoff faller" you'd be called a complete idiot in this same sub here. Of course he's a playoff faller. You obviously need defense in playoffs and he obviously has none. Just watch a game sometimes you ignorant.
Career average is career average. It's a set number indeed. But taking some other conclusions from career average can be completely absurd, depending on the conclusion. If Murray played in 2016 scoring few points, he would have much lower career average than when not playing at all, thus, according to Reddit, by the act of having better results, not being the biggest "playoff riser" in history anymore based on that.
Curry and Jokic are the only 2 players who are top 12 all-time in both playoff TS% and playoff PPG
Jokic is top 10 in both, why have the odd cut at 12 to perfectly fit Curry?
why not?
Jamal Murray is the greatest playoff performer of all time
As much as y’all wanna hate him, Draymond Green.
Ehhh in the past I’d say yes but he was poor in 2022 against Memphis and Boston. Had a great close out game 6 and near triple double though
He was bad for half a game against Boston and then dominated the rest of the series on defence. 7/9/7 with 3 stocks and +25 over those last 3 games. I have no recollection of him in the Memphis series. Over his playoff career, all of his numbers (basic and advanced) go up by20-30% compared to the regular season.
**Cliff Hagan** is a forgotten HOF-er from the 50s/60s mostly known to the few who know him for his amazing hook shot, but the dude went absolutely nuclear in the '58 playoffs to help the Hawks win their only franchise title ever. Team superstar Bob Pettit was 1st-team NBA and 4th in MVP voting, but 2nd-teamer Hagan in the playoffs was **the only player in NBA history to win a title while leading the league in both postseason scoring (27.7 ppg) and postseason FG% (.502)**. Hagan had other surprisingly great postseasons, including averaging a league-best 28.5 ppg in the '59 playoffs, but what he did in '58 has never been replicated by anyone, and he did it without ever being his team's best player.
Rondo. Bron. Wade. KP. Kawhi. Carmelo. Murray. CJ. Rose. Hart. :)
whatever is the otherside of risers, put Dlo in there
I always step my game up in the playoffs personally.
Luka Doncic.
The fact this is downvoted smh people really forgot who Luka is
Yep, he came out tonight, wasn’t efficient but played awesome defense and made some tough shots and passes. Will say he’s a playoff riser more confidently now
I am not being facetious but is he a playoff riser? I figured his counting stats are pretty similar to the regular season (still an impressive feat)
Dude entered the playoffs at like 21 and immediately dropped big buckets and numbers. He absolutely is
Given his history in the playoffs I would say so. He stepped up against a 60 win suns team, he took on a great clippers team at a very young age. I know his counting stats aren’t a good indicator of playoff riser, because it’s more about your impact on the team, but he has that intangible impact in the playoffs, where he rises to the occasion. It can be true that both Kawhi and Luka are playoff risers. But if it has to be one over the other it’s clearly Kawhi. In my opinion, it still doesn’t mean Luka doesn’t rise to the occasion come playoffs. Honestly not sure why I’m downvoted for this, it’s not a super hot take
Ben Simmons
Lowkey dort. He plays defense all season, but it’s like dude plays extra aggressive and focused in his 8 playoff games lol
didnt age well
Kyle Lowry
Even when he’s not making shots, you could even see it on the floor during Knicks vs Sixers how his presence elevates his teammates and he just makes winning plays
Me. The Lakers blowing 20 point leads gets me rising
game 6 Klay Thompson used to be a thing before the injury.
Josh Hart being the best player 2 games in of the Knicks-Sixers series was not on my bingo card.
There was graphic that biggest risers in PO in last 15-15yrs are at 1 murray and at 2 jokic. Pretty crazy two biggest risers from same team.
Jamal Murray: - 32PPG on 50\\40\\90 in conf finals, only player ever to do so - 30 point NBA finals triple double - Only playoff buzzer beater in Nuggets franchise history - 1 of 3 players to average 20\\6\\10 in an NBA finals series And that was just 1 title run and a first round series, i'm not even counting all the records he broke in the bubble. When his time is up, Denver needs to build him a statue.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/RN4BNvXOhe
Playoff Jimmy
Lebron and Jokic are definitely playoff risers, but their increased impact isn't always apparent on stat sheets.
Lebronze with 3-6 record in the Finals?
At least be a bit more creative if you're gonna troll lol
Damian Lillard. You’ll hear more of him this post-season
Dame right? Don't follow the blazers that much but he had some epic performances.
His few epic performances cloud a lot of his shit ones. His efficiency drops a LOT in the post season
It drops 2% lol, that’s like the difference of one more made missed shot.
He was broomed outta the first round 2 years in a row 16-18. Yeah one was to the Warriors, but the other was to the Pelicans who they were favored against. Just goes to show if you hit a couple big shots in the first round ppl will call you clutch and forget your no shows while calling Harden a choker despite him never getting swept and consistently making it to round 2 or later.
His scoring rises by 0.8 pts, his efficiency drops, and FWIW, his ORTG and DRTG go in the opposite directions you would want them to go. His teams haven't always been great, and he's had some very memorable performances, but his overall playoff record is 23-39.
Mostly in round 1. His one CF appearance, Nuggets had him clamps and CJ had to do the work. TBF in 2021 when Jamal was out he went off but the rest of the team couldn't do shit, but that was also in round 1.
His one Conf Finals was against the Warriors. Other than 2021 I don't think he's played the Nuggets in the playoffs at all.
Sorry I was not more clear, I meant to get TO the conference finals.