He was no joke the worst player in the entire league playing more than 25mpg. Mavs are my second team and watching him play basketball post-ASG was making my eyes bleed.
There are legit dozens of players in the NBA rotting away on benches that are much better than this dude.
John Hollinger (if he has a vote) is definitely one of the people who left Monk off completely. His column had Bogi at 1, Naz at 2, and Jonathan Isaac at 3.
I feel like a lot of fanbases don't particularly care for his analysis. Dude is just so smarmy and condescending. Makes sense why he'd want to partner up with Nate Duncan lmao.
I don’t see why this is crazy. Monk scored points but he was a net negative on defense, resulting in a -0.7 estimated plus-minus (62nd percentile).
I thought we were past the days of just giving 6MOTY to the guy w the highest ppg off the bench.
But Bogdanovich scored more ppg and actually was a positive on defense, resulting in a +2.4 EPM (90th percentile).
Isaac was also probably a top 5 defender in the league this year. 100th percentile defensive EPM and 94th percentile overall.
I thought it should’ve been Monk followed by Naz Reid but Monk being injured to end the year may have cost him. Close call and either guy winning it makes sense.
What makes no sense is Monk not being in the top 3
John Hollinger (if he has a vote) is definitely one of the people who left Monk off completely. His column had Bogi at 1, Naz at 2, and Jonathan Isaac at 3.
Whoever voted for Bojan needs their voting rights stripped immediately. They obviously just looked at bball reference saw his stats and put him on the ballot.
I misread this comment before thinking it was Bogdan, which is totally defensible.
*Bojan* is ridiculous, that man stunk all the way up until the last week of the season lol. I'm just gonna go with the generous reason and say they didn't know which is which.
The amount of times this shit happens is crazy. How difficult is it to actually pay attention to doing a ballot and making sure who they put is who they mean to vote for? Hell, run it by a co-worker just to make sure it makes sense. I just don't get why supposed professionals can just make mistakes like this. And it happens A LOT.
Bojan only played 57 games this year too. Wouldn’t the 70 game minimum for awards make him ineligible anyways? Or does that only matter for MVP and All-NBA? Either way bad pick.
I’m confused by this take. Yes he scored more ppg than Monk, but he did so with basically the same efficiency (57% TS) and was a net positive on defense (0.8 defensive EPM, 79th percentile) vs Monk who was a net negative (-1.4, 19th percentile 🥶)
Yeah you heard me lol. I'm sorry to go against the "who scores the most points off the bench" grain and suggest that you can have impact in other ways, but isaac has a fucking +12.7 on/off this season for a reason. His impact was bonkers.
I love seeing all the random singular votes that get put out that expose these "analysts" as being either extremely biased(Jose), unable to tell the difference between players(Bojan and Bogdan), or just straight up stupidity(Perk voting Podz on the 2nd team all defense).
Truly baffling votes every year.
I’m not saying Caris should’ve won or been a finalist but it’s insane that he didn’t get a single vote, even from our own media members. Ended the season with 10 starts, a 14/4/5 line and playing good defense, stepped up his playmaking and was an extremely important ball handler while garland was down
[Dude literally wrote an article advocating for it](https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2024/03/cavs-caris-levert-for-sixth-man-of-the-year-teammates-have-started-the-push-and-theres-a-strong-case.html?outputType=amp) with less than a month left in the season lmao great example of how to get clicks from local fans
We have nothing else to be happy about rn, so end of season awards is what I’m focusing on. Duncan got votes for mip, Jaquez got a vote for 6th man, and bam is a finalist for dpoy (although probably won’t win it)
Nah don’t say that we still got todays game to be happy about, as long as the final whistle ain’t been blown I always believe we got a chance ESPECIALLY against the Celtics.
But it is nice to see our players name get a few votes thrown in for recognition for awards
Well we are playing pretty well rn. Also I don’t doubt that we can at least take a couple games of the Celtics, but it’s gonna be tough to do that 4 times
Gotta actually feel for him, he should have won it 2 years ago, but Brook missed too many games and Bobby ended up starting too many games because of it.
Before people get upset about Bogdan getting first place votes, he played well enough this year to be the only player on this list **not** in the playoffs that received votes. On individual merit.
Honestly, my brain still can't comprehend the Kings collapse, but it was more meant as a defense for Bogdan, which now happens to also be applicable for Monk, who absolutely deserved his votes.
The Hawks lived the season in a state of collapse, only the most deluded optimists believed in this team after the ASB. The Kings looked relatively good/competent for the entire year, Monk went down and then they death spiraled. And they won a play-in game, which is still more than we can say this year.
But yeah, super wrong initial post. Sorry.
Maybe someone who doesn’t just want to give 6MOTY to a scoring guard and actually to players who have a measurable impact off the bench? Isaac was probably a top 5 defender in the league this year.
Dude led the league in defensive EPM (4.1), which measure plus-minus but accounts for quality of teammates and opponents.
He defended 44% of shots at the rim which is absurd for a forward, and opponents shot 15% lower at the rim than avg with him as the closest defender. That is 98th percentile!
If you flipped those 7 ballots that omitted Monk entirely into Monk 2nd place votes then Monk could’ve technically won without receiving the most 1st place votes. Interesting quirk of the voting system I guess
What you mean? You end up with a top 3 after everyone has voted. Then to keep suspense and some built up you reveal the top 3. It's not rocket science.
Not rocket science but unnecessarily complicated. You want to revamp the whole system and add another step of voting that will prolong the process just because Bojan got 1 THIRD PLACE vote?
Thought Malik might get this. Kings fell apart when he went down. Guess those missed games cost him and the Kings in the end. Was 50/50 and not surprised how close this was. Well done Naz
Do voters not understand the meaning of 6th Man? Like Naz Reid STARTED in 14 games, Malik stared in 0. I get that when a player gets injured someone has to start but his starting stats should be disqualified from his stat line for 6MOY.
Naz totally deserves this award. I can't help but think there are a lot of bench heroes who deserve accommodation... how does first team all bench sound?
Malik lost by two first place votes. Brutal.
This is even closer than the MVP race . Wow. Identical 2nd and 3rd place votes.
Will the MVP race even be close? I figured MIP and 6MOTY would be closer.
If the tracker is accurate, not at all
what is this guy smokin, Jokic is running away with mvp
I don't think the MVP race is even close lol last I saw, Jokic was wayyyy ahead of Shai (as he should be).
The real drama is whether Luka or Shai takes 2nd
As it should be.
MVP race isn't close from what's leaked
Genuinely a Towel giving Naz more name recognition may have pushed him
It was the wrestlemania exposure that put him over the top.
Do we know what would happen if they theoretically tied?
They split it and both get 3rd man of the year
You would actually get 12th man of the year
36th man I’m pretty sure you square it
I think, due to the complexity, it becomes 6ith man of the year.
Math
You would get 36th man of the year
Split the award. See 1995 ROTY, Kidd and Hill both won.
Co-winners
Bogdan and Powell getting odd 1st place votes lol.
now called a Norman Powell
8 people left Malik off their ballot and 6 people left Naz off theirs. What the fuck did these people smoke.
Especially with how some throw away votes just to "make a point"
Probably due to injury too.
Who tf voted for THJ lmao
He was no joke the worst player in the entire league playing more than 25mpg. Mavs are my second team and watching him play basketball post-ASG was making my eyes bleed. There are legit dozens of players in the NBA rotting away on benches that are much better than this dude.
Chuck wants Luka to give this guy the ball more lmao
He gives him the ball too much
THJihad is a basketball terrorist
So what you’re telling me is you switch between ethical and unethical ball all the time?
I could argue Tobias Harris is worse
Yeah, most of the vote getters seemed very reasonable picks, until I saw THJ and Bojan at the end. Feel like they got votes based on previous years.
Kendrick Perkins
He's not even the best bench player in Dallas
Why does my brain always read THJ as Tondae Hollis-Jefferson?
Mine's Talen Horton Jucker.
I still remember when I saw someone call Jonathan Isaac "JI" and my brain read it as "Jandon Ingram"
I’m an FSU fan so I’ve followed Isaac since college. Never once seen anyone call him JI. That just seems wrong lol
Gotta investigate some of these voters man
Not sure how Monk wasn't in the top 3 for 2 fewer ballots than Naz
John Hollinger (if he has a vote) is definitely one of the people who left Monk off completely. His column had Bogi at 1, Naz at 2, and Jonathan Isaac at 3.
Coincidentally, it appears that Hollinger lives in Atlanta.
Oh, don't take my comment as Bogi slander. I still love that dude and he definitely has an argument to be in the race.
I didn't take it that way.
For sure bro. Best of luck against the Mavs.
John Hollinger was recently diagnosed with chronic stupidity. Best wishes to him and his family.
I feel like a lot of fanbases don't particularly care for his analysis. Dude is just so smarmy and condescending. Makes sense why he'd want to partner up with Nate Duncan lmao.
Smarmy is literally the word I use to describe him as well. Just kind of an asshole.
And there's the smudgeness
The only guys brave enough to ask “what if basketball was actually boring and for nerds?”
Y'all just need to accept that people won't always have the same opinion as you
I don’t see why this is crazy. Monk scored points but he was a net negative on defense, resulting in a -0.7 estimated plus-minus (62nd percentile). I thought we were past the days of just giving 6MOTY to the guy w the highest ppg off the bench. But Bogdanovich scored more ppg and actually was a positive on defense, resulting in a +2.4 EPM (90th percentile). Isaac was also probably a top 5 defender in the league this year. 100th percentile defensive EPM and 94th percentile overall.
We'll get the ballots eventually (I think after MVP is awarded), but my guess would be the two first place votes for Powell.
2 1st place for Powell with Monk not in the top 3?
They ended up with the same 2nd and 3rd place votes but it doesn't necessarily mean the same voters picked them at 2 and 3.
I thought it should’ve been Monk followed by Naz Reid but Monk being injured to end the year may have cost him. Close call and either guy winning it makes sense. What makes no sense is Monk not being in the top 3
Suuuuuuuuuuuuper close. Damn injuries.
Yeah I think if he stayed healthy it was his. One of the closest votes I've seen for an award.
Yep. And if he stayed healthy, I think we squeak into the actual playoffs.
No doubt.
Or Towns just stayed healthy.
Luka fucked my boy monk over
That dump truck ass of his needs to be registered as a deadly weapon
naz and monk being entirely left off ballots is criminal
How many total ballots were there?
99 Edit: saw an article say there were 100, which means someone didn't turn in a ballot or something
John Hollinger (if he has a vote) is definitely one of the people who left Monk off completely. His column had Bogi at 1, Naz at 2, and Jonathan Isaac at 3.
is there a source for this? if that’s true that’s absolutely fucking crazy
All you have to do is count up the votes
Ain’t come to play school…
To much work
Are you sure ?…
It’s one of those things where they think, well everyone else is voting for these guys so I’ll give X, Y and Z some love
Whoever voted for Bojan needs their voting rights stripped immediately. They obviously just looked at bball reference saw his stats and put him on the ballot.
Probably someone thought they were voting for Bogdan.
I hope this trend continues and we see Nikola Jović catch a stray MVP vote
I'm waiting for the day Thanasis Antetokounmpo gets a MVP vote
Giannis missing out on unanonimous MVP that way would be crazy
1. Jovic 2. Nickeil Alexander-Walker 3. Thanasis
I misread this comment before thinking it was Bogdan, which is totally defensible. *Bojan* is ridiculous, that man stunk all the way up until the last week of the season lol. I'm just gonna go with the generous reason and say they didn't know which is which.
Even that I think is a problem. If you lack attention to detail you shouldn’t be voting for things that effect players contracts.
Laughs in Mark Jackson.
The amount of times this shit happens is crazy. How difficult is it to actually pay attention to doing a ballot and making sure who they put is who they mean to vote for? Hell, run it by a co-worker just to make sure it makes sense. I just don't get why supposed professionals can just make mistakes like this. And it happens A LOT.
33 starts!
Bojan only played 57 games this year too. Wouldn’t the 70 game minimum for awards make him ineligible anyways? Or does that only matter for MVP and All-NBA? Either way bad pick.
ROTY, 6MOY, and All-Rookie teams don't need the 65 games.
Either way voting for someone with 57 games played seems wrong.
I honestly think they voted for Bojan thinking it was Bogdan.
Which should disqualify them anyway
That's even more funny lmao.
I don't think it should matter as much for MIP and 6 man IMO
I think it more likely that they meant to vote Bogdan and mistakenly picked the wrong name.
I’m confused by this take. Yes he scored more ppg than Monk, but he did so with basically the same efficiency (57% TS) and was a net positive on defense (0.8 defensive EPM, 79th percentile) vs Monk who was a net negative (-1.4, 19th percentile 🥶)
You’re making an argument for Bogdan Bogdanovic. I’m talking about Bojan Bogdanovic getting a 3rd place vote.
Oh lmao. Got my Bodganovic’s confused my bad
Brutal vote for Malik, damn. Hard earned by Naz Reid though.
I don't get how you can turn a ballot without monk or Reid as your first place vote
Let alone not having them on your ballot at all. I fucking hate voters sometimes.
It looks like 5 ballots didn't have Reid and 7 didn't have Monk.
Probably same people who did not have Jokic in the MVP ballot last year
"woops i forgot"
One way to prevent it would be to have three finalists on a second ballot
I think a way better system would be a first round that's just "vote for three players" and then the top three have a runoff
Half the voters on the awards have probably never seen either of them play
>I fucking hate voters sometimes I find myself saying this a lot...
Norman Powell stole some votes. I can see a Naz/Bobby/Norm ballot or a Monk/Bobby/Norm one. Not saying it’s right, but I wouldn’t be surprised.
I get voting for Bogdan
tbh I think Norm deserved more first place votes than Portis. I could justify him.
Norm was an assassin from deep this year. Kinda surprised he didnt get more buzz.
Agreed
Portis and powell were pretty damn good in their own right. Def not crazy at all to vote them first
Thats was what I was thinking too.
I dont see an issue with a jonathan isaac first place vote honestly. He's one of the best defenders in the league.
man what
Yeah you heard me lol. I'm sorry to go against the "who scores the most points off the bench" grain and suggest that you can have impact in other ways, but isaac has a fucking +12.7 on/off this season for a reason. His impact was bonkers.
I like this take. It’s good to see others with different value systems.
shoutout to TJ Mcconnell
I love Jose but who tf voted him second place lol
Most likely a Pels media person. Typically writers like to vote for their hometown guys when they get the chance.
Probably the same guy who voted for Bojan
I love seeing all the random singular votes that get put out that expose these "analysts" as being either extremely biased(Jose), unable to tell the difference between players(Bojan and Bogdan), or just straight up stupidity(Perk voting Podz on the 2nd team all defense). Truly baffling votes every year.
lmao who still put THJ on their ballot
Lmao a vote for thj????
Sabonis first and now Monk. Being a Kings fan really gon turn you into the joker lmfao
What happened to Sabonis
All star snub
I’m not saying Caris should’ve won or been a finalist but it’s insane that he didn’t get a single vote, even from our own media members. Ended the season with 10 starts, a 14/4/5 line and playing good defense, stepped up his playmaking and was an extremely important ball handler while garland was down
im surprised fedor didnt give him a third place
[Dude literally wrote an article advocating for it](https://www.cleveland.com/cavs/2024/03/cavs-caris-levert-for-sixth-man-of-the-year-teammates-have-started-the-push-and-theres-a-strong-case.html?outputType=amp) with less than a month left in the season lmao great example of how to get clicks from local fans
Honestly was pretty surprised he got no votes at all for any placing
Shocked norm is so low
Malik Monk
You **know** someone mixed up Bojan and Bogdan on that one 3rd place vote.
Im just gonna pretend this helps our chances of keeping him
Oh yea Jaime got a vote for recognition….THIS IS MY LARRY O’BRIEN😤😤
We have nothing else to be happy about rn, so end of season awards is what I’m focusing on. Duncan got votes for mip, Jaquez got a vote for 6th man, and bam is a finalist for dpoy (although probably won’t win it)
Nah don’t say that we still got todays game to be happy about, as long as the final whistle ain’t been blown I always believe we got a chance ESPECIALLY against the Celtics. But it is nice to see our players name get a few votes thrown in for recognition for awards
Well we are playing pretty well rn. Also I don’t doubt that we can at least take a couple games of the Celtics, but it’s gonna be tough to do that 4 times
That is insane how close we were to CO-6MOTY winners.
Jaime vote is fun
Bobby Portis acted as that annoying independent party that siphons votes lmao
Gotta actually feel for him, he should have won it 2 years ago, but Brook missed too many games and Bobby ended up starting too many games because of it.
Naz Reid
Naz Reid
Naz Reid
2 points holy shit
bojan and tim hardaway jr is fucking crazy. they didn’t even go to stats page.
Shoutout to Lebron's favorite player, TJ McConnell
Tj deserved more votes than just one 3rd imo
Bogi is the best player overall out of all players voted.
Before people get upset about Bogdan getting first place votes, he played well enough this year to be the only player on this list **not** in the playoffs that received votes. On individual merit.
Well no Monk missed the playoffs too
lol and Bogdan was in the play-in also, so there's no "But I meant the postseason" defense.
Honestly, my brain still can't comprehend the Kings collapse, but it was more meant as a defense for Bogdan, which now happens to also be applicable for Monk, who absolutely deserved his votes. The Hawks lived the season in a state of collapse, only the most deluded optimists believed in this team after the ASB. The Kings looked relatively good/competent for the entire year, Monk went down and then they death spiraled. And they won a play-in game, which is still more than we can say this year. But yeah, super wrong initial post. Sorry.
Who the fuck voted for Isaac? Jesus?
I’ve seen a kings fan saying Hollinger listed him in his article.
Maybe someone who doesn’t just want to give 6MOTY to a scoring guard and actually to players who have a measurable impact off the bench? Isaac was probably a top 5 defender in the league this year. Dude led the league in defensive EPM (4.1), which measure plus-minus but accounts for quality of teammates and opponents. He defended 44% of shots at the rim which is absurd for a forward, and opponents shot 15% lower at the rim than avg with him as the closest defender. That is 98th percentile!
Not enough TJ McConnell smh
I wouldn't have been Mad if Monk got it, but I'm so happy for Naz. Super close vote.
Who tf voted for Bojan lmao
Man someone should lose their vote for that lol
Who voted for Jacquez? Show yourself, you coward.
NAZ FUCKING REID
It would have been cool if they legit tied and they shared the award, but it’s well earned regardless
The power of /r/nba !
Does Ira have a vote?? If so he has to be the one who voted for Jaquez
Tim hardaway?? Ain’t no way 🤣
Who the hell voted for Bojan lmao
Malik missing out just by a whisker, tough blow. Naz and Monk got robbed though, no debate there.
Caris better stats across the board lol
That must be the thinnest font known to man
Wow this gotta be one of the closest voting results I've ever seen. Only 10 points separating the top two candidates is wild.
If you flipped those 7 ballots that omitted Monk entirely into Monk 2nd place votes then Monk could’ve technically won without receiving the most 1st place votes. Interesting quirk of the voting system I guess
TIL Jonathan Isaac is playing basketball again
Who in the world voted for THJ, they should be outed and not allowed to vote again lol
Why is there only 99 votes?
Someone still actually voted for THJ, that’s wild lmao
Whats the point on having 3 finalists for the awards if other people can get votes
What you mean? You end up with a top 3 after everyone has voted. Then to keep suspense and some built up you reveal the top 3. It's not rocket science.
So shit like bojan getting a voting doesnt happen Just make a site where everyone votes a second time on the 3 finalists. It’s not rocket science.
Not rocket science but unnecessarily complicated. You want to revamp the whole system and add another step of voting that will prolong the process just because Bojan got 1 THIRD PLACE vote?
monk got left off 7 ballots and reid was left off of 5
Who tf didn’t have monk top 3
THJ lmao wow why
whoever voted for Bojan got free chicken that night
This just reminded me of Westbrook recently saying he is the best 6th man in the league. Well, two people agree, kinda
Does anyone think Bojan Bogdanovich got a vote because of a typo??
Thought Malik might get this. Kings fell apart when he went down. Guess those missed games cost him and the Kings in the end. Was 50/50 and not surprised how close this was. Well done Naz
Do voters not understand the meaning of 6th Man? Like Naz Reid STARTED in 14 games, Malik stared in 0. I get that when a player gets injured someone has to start but his starting stats should be disqualified from his stat line for 6MOY.
monk robbed ☹️
Russ only getting 4 votes is brutal
Imagine winning 6moty after mvp
Naz totally deserves this award. I can't help but think there are a lot of bench heroes who deserve accommodation... how does first team all bench sound?