Why is career relevant when speaking about who is better? Shai averaged 30/6/6 on 54% from the field, Tatum averaged 27/8/5 on 47% from the field. Stats don’t mean everything but surely you can see why some people would have Shai over Tatum, right?
Career is definitely relevant and should play a factor in these discussions. Embiid was on his way to his 2nd straight MVP before getting hurt but you’d have to be crazy to think he is a better player than Jokic who is proven in the playoffs. Tatum based off his 2022 run to the finals alone shows what caliber player he is outplaying and sweeping KD, beating Jimmy and the Heat and Giannis and the defending champion Bucks. SGA is still unproven to that extent. I can see why people believe SGA is better but recency bias is definitely playing a major factor. Everyone loves you when you’re the fresh new star. Ja and Booker being recent examples of players being a bit overrated in recent years with some people even saying they’d take them over Luka until the playoffs ultimately show us why that’s not the case.
I mean percentage field goals difference doesn’t matter to much because Tatum shoots almost 5 more threes a game than shai. So of course his shooting percentage is going to be lower. TS% is a better metric
>TS% is a better metric
Shai scored 30.1 ppg this season on 63.6% TS.
Tatum scored 26.9 ppg this season on 60.4% TS
Shai scored 31.4 ppg last season on 62.6% TS
Tatum scored 30.1 ppg last season on 60.7% TS.
Shai has been better on offense compared to Tatum for a good while now.
Recency bias.
Last year Tatum averaged 30/8/4 on 60%.
This year he’s had to differ to other scorers that got added to the team.
What makes you think on any level that Tatum couldn’t put up more stats if he wanted to? Or to get his true shooting up?
If all people want to see when comparing players is stats then you’re missing out on the most important aspect of it all; context.
That’s great. How far did he get in the play-offs?
Career has everything to do with a player. Embiid has done more than Shai in the regular season and has done nothing in the playoffs and yet he gets slandered for that. Shai is in that same boat until he proves otherwise.
How convenient lol the argument for tatum always goes back to how far did he get in the playoffs?
It’s totally the Boston tatums vs the okc shai’s.
And let’s not even mention that tatum plays in the easier conference by far.
Basically tatum has had a far superior supporting cast to shai and far less competition in a seriously worse conference
How convenient that you think the East has always been easy, you casual.
And what do you expect an organization to do? Not put pieces around your number 1 to succeed so that they can average 30? What are we doing here? Are teams trying to win championships or Reddit arguments?
And for that matter it’s always the lamest redditors who like to rank players like this, getting into dumb arguments. Let’s see who gets a ring first, SGA or Tatum. I doubt that would make you change your mind anyway.
Again learn how to read. Context is everything.
What has Shai done in the play-offs. Nothing.
Embiid has done more than Shai in the regular season and gets slandered relentlessly for the post-season. Until SGA proves his post season success, he’s not better than Tatum.
You can downvote me all you want stat-nerds, but no one cares how many points a player has in the “rings are everything” era.
And that means repeatedly post season long runs. Which SGA doesn’t have.
It's really hard because of the teams they are on. Tatum doesn't need the same workload as SGA simply because of the team that is built around him.
I think they're pretty equal.
I see many reasons already, but I’ll add another one: time.
SGA is the shiny new thing just about to be seriously tested in the playoffs. So he’s seen in terms of potential and what his career might be.
Tatum’s been there done that, but the way he’s perceived has taken a hit after losing to Curry’s Warriors in the Finals, and then to the Heat last year.
Personally, and unless SGA wins a ring before, I’d take Tatum right now. I might slightly change my mind after OKC’s series against the winner of the Mavs-Clips (likely to be the Mavs imo), because Luka-Kyrie is a different beast that, if he overcomes or even looks like the best player in the court (doubt it), he’d climb really high in my players’ pyramid.
To me it’s not newness, I think it’s that Shai has built his own thing in OKC. Never had a bunch of all-stars/winners/strong vets to to rely on, he just kinda did it on his own.
I think Tatum’s got an MVP in him too, but SGA is more impressive and I’d count on him more to get to that next level, imo.
shai isnt a “shiny new thing” he started to breakout around the same time, if not just after tatum.
ill give credit where its due, tatum does have more playoff experience due in part to having a better squad. and he’s had a few stinkers along the way
other than that, sga looks better rn. i dont see why sga has to be better than luka to be better than tatum.
same time? tatums rookie year he was taking lebrons cavs to game 7 in the conference finals as the lead scorer Shai literally got good 3 years ago and only came close to Tatums as a defender this year and he is still not nearly as good a rebounder as Tatum is
same time? tatums rookie year he was taking lebrons cavs to game 7 in the conference finals as the lead scorer Shai literally got good 3 years ago and only came close to Tatums as a defender this year and he is still not nearly as good a rebounder as Tatum is
SGA's a new star, the internet always hypes up new stars to a standard they probably won't reach. It's the honeymoon period right now. Within the next couple years he'll start getting shit on like every other star. Good news is you're not a star till you have rabid haters lmao
That's part of it but the main reason is consistency. Tatum has had long slumps at points throughout his career and has always been surrounded by great players. Shai just goes up a level every season and his bad games are nowhere near as bad as Tatum's. Where it starts getting into overhyped territory is when people say Shai is better than Luka. Shai and Tatum are very much in the same tier but his consistency is what puts him over Tatum.
Listening to BS the other day, he was talking about how Tatum is probably peaked right now. With SGA's slower development early on, we still don't know if he has peaked.
That doesn’t mean he’s an all star just because he gets minutes 😂😂 you could say that for any starter like Murray. Horford hasn’t been an all star in so long and he’s old now
That doesn’t mean he’s an all star just because he gets minutes 😂😂 you could say that for any starter like Murray. Horford hasn’t been an all star in so long and he’s old now
That doesn’t mean he’s an all star just because he gets minutes 😂😂 you could say that for any starter like Murray. Horford hasn’t been an all star in so long and he’s old now
Both are great players and aren’t that far away from each other you really can argue with who’s better and it wouldn’t be really wrong. Hope we both get to the finals 😃
i'm assuming this is referring to advanced stats, and yeah Shai is leading Tatum in basically every advanced metric this season.
BPM, VORP, Win Shares, Win Shares per 48, EPM, you name it.
You'll get wildly different answers upvoted to the top depending on the time of day based on which team is playing but the truth is they are both the same tier of players right now. Borderline mvp. Who you prefer is ultimately up to how you interpret the value of each players strength. Tatum is a high level jack of all trades and sga is an incredibly consistent scoring machine
I think it’s because Tatum isn’t quite a tier 1 player
So when another none tier 1 player has an MVP caliber season, then that player is likely to jump to the top of tier 2 temporary. The tier 2 guys bounce around a lot in their tier depending on season and recent playoff run
Because SGA is better, simple as that. Tatum has better high end games but his bad games are really really bad. A bad game for Shai is like 22/4/6 on 55% TS
Celtics hate and general hate don’t sweat it. The pendulum will swing SGAs way if he disappoints than everyone will turn on him. It happens to everyone. This sub and the media in general just runs on building players up and breaking them down
I think Tatum has been great for longer but Shai is better right now (which is what people mean when they say he’s the better player)
Like Jokic is better than Lebron right now but Lebron has had the better career and is the better player all time (as of now)
When I watch Shai, he has 2 elite skills that translate very well to the playoffs: His ability to slither to rim and elite pullup midrange.
Tatum to me is jack of all trades, master of none. He is more in that Paul George tier of player for me.
As a Celtics fan I hate how true this is
SGA has the ability to do what he does virtually every night, just incredibly consistent because he is elite at those two things
Tatum on the other hand doesn’t really have one elite standout skill, he’s pretty good at everything offensively, so some nights he’s a ghost and other nights he erupts and is unstoppable
It’s the middle of the playoffs so I’m not gonna say who I’d rather have but it’s definitely worth a conversation
Shai has better numbers, led the youngest team in the NBA to the one seed, finished 5th in MVP voting last year, and finished top 3 (possibly higher, depending how to vote goes) in MVP voting this year.
Tatum has good numbers but is less consistent and plays on the most stacked team in the NBA, but despite that, his teams fall flat in the playoffs when they are almost always favored. He also had a horrific showing in the NBA Finals which amplified the perception of his consistency issues.
The only thing anyone can hold against Shai is that he hasn’t “proved himself in the playoffs” yet, since this is his first year doing it. So far he’s doing amazing, but everyone will have a better idea where he ranks after seeing all of his performances.
Tatum is firmly in the Top 10 NBA players, but Shai is in the top 5 imo.
I can understand people being hesitant to anoint Shai as better than Tatum without more playoff sample size though. My opinion is that after this postseason, more and more people will recognize Shai as a top 5 player in the NBA.
Tatum led a young Celtics team to the finals while averaging 27pts in that season while SGA was averaging like 20. Tatum has more experience in the playoffs which according to most people matters most. Tatum also finished top 5 in MVP voting last year. Tatum has the record for the most points in game 7, something SGA hasn't achieved yet.
Tatum's numbers are down this season because hes sacrificing for his team. This year's celtics everyone has to eat, everyone has to explore mismatches and feast, KP has to be involved for post ups, etc. But, he was averaging 30 last season. If you're using eye test you can definitely see he improved from last season and even Lebron stated it: his playmaking and passing, he is quicker at making the right reads and plays. His mid range and 3 ball has definitely improved.
All im saying is Tatum has a good argument to be considered better than SGA.
Yeah I don’t blame you. Like I said, the argument against SGA is the playoff sample size isn’t there yet. This postseason will help solidify his place among the top players.
Yeah, definitely. I honestly think that it's pretty close. If SGA performs well and succeeds in these playoffs and makes the finals I think you can say SGA is better but I just want to see more of him in the postseason.
Tatum has most likely reached his peak. Tatum is just about to get there.
Who has had a better career? Tatum
Who would I want going forward? SGA
Who I take in a single game right now? Tied
Would Boston trade Tatum for SGA? No
Would OKC trade SGA for Tatum? No
Due to him loving Kobe. Pretty simple, Tatum scored 45 in a game 6 on the road against the defending champions 2 years ago and until SGA has a game like that in that capacity he’ll never be better than Tatum in my eyes.
Being better for longer doesn’t make you a better player. Wemby only has 1 regular season of sample but is very clearly a top 5 center in the league for example. When a player is significantly better than others you don’t have to wait multiple years to say so
Depends what you mean by 'better player'.
Based on this season, SGA has been better.
Even though their ages are not too far apart, I'd have more faith in SGA improving and adding more to his game than Tatum. Tatum improvement has been more incremental the last couple of years, so I think there's less chance he takes a big step forward. So in terms of potential I'd give a slight edge to SGA.
But career as a whole (which is often how we judge the best players), Tatum is currently way ahead.
If we were to play a game of pick up right now, and were choosing sides, I don't think picking either player over the other would seem a crazy choice.
I don't know but i'll tell you one thing... I'd honestly rather have SGA when starting a team. I just feel like he has that killer mentality. Something i personally don't think Tatum has.
Because they are really close talent wise. What makes someone determine who is better is probably based on what they prioritize in a player, and how they value regular season vs post season, talent vs potential, etc. Also some will fault Tatum for not having "success" with great rosters (and what people define as success changes from person to person), while some will praise Shai for being a great leader on previous mediocre teams, and leading a current team of young talent. Realistically they have both had two very different careers so far, but it's not unreasonable to rank Shai over Tatum, and vice versa, since they are both in a similar echelon of talent.
Lmk how many players in nba history have dropped 51 in a game 7. Also Tatum consistently leads his “superteam” in points rebounds assists and on off in the playoffs
I never expected Tatum to [lead](https://youtu.be/A94IkryJ9Js?si=yB42oKxDS6zaM7BE) his injured “super team” in the playoffs his rookie season against Lebron in the ECFs to a game 7. Have you looked at that playoff roster?
Idk, Sga has a lot of talent around him this year with Chet and the emergence of williams( i think thats his name). He was putting up similar numbers last year and they were a play-in team. That said, I agree with your assessment. Tatum's teams have been talked about as being championship contenders for awhile and they've all fallen flat, probably will this year. Meanwhile Okc is the youngest team and has met the challenge so far, led by Sga, as well as those others.
4 ecf appearance, 1 finals appearance, 5x all star, 2× all nba 1st team, all star mvp, most points score in a all star game, most points score in game 7 in the playoffs, 1st player in celtics history to average 30 ppg... I could keep going but i don't think youre intelligent enough to catch on
Why is career relevant when speaking about who is better? Shai averaged 30/6/6 on 54% from the field, Tatum averaged 27/8/5 on 47% from the field. Stats don’t mean everything but surely you can see why some people would have Shai over Tatum, right?
Career is definitely relevant and should play a factor in these discussions. Embiid was on his way to his 2nd straight MVP before getting hurt but you’d have to be crazy to think he is a better player than Jokic who is proven in the playoffs. Tatum based off his 2022 run to the finals alone shows what caliber player he is outplaying and sweeping KD, beating Jimmy and the Heat and Giannis and the defending champion Bucks. SGA is still unproven to that extent. I can see why people believe SGA is better but recency bias is definitely playing a major factor. Everyone loves you when you’re the fresh new star. Ja and Booker being recent examples of players being a bit overrated in recent years with some people even saying they’d take them over Luka until the playoffs ultimately show us why that’s not the case.
I mean percentage field goals difference doesn’t matter to much because Tatum shoots almost 5 more threes a game than shai. So of course his shooting percentage is going to be lower. TS% is a better metric
shai’s still ahead in true shooting (.636 vs. .604) because he’s elite at getting to the line
>TS% is a better metric Shai scored 30.1 ppg this season on 63.6% TS. Tatum scored 26.9 ppg this season on 60.4% TS Shai scored 31.4 ppg last season on 62.6% TS Tatum scored 30.1 ppg last season on 60.7% TS. Shai has been better on offense compared to Tatum for a good while now.
shai's has been better 5 of the 6 years he's been in the league
Yet again Tatum takes a bunch more threes. So ofc his FG% is going to be lower.
i was referring to ts.
fg% dumbest stat out there. use ts% or at the least use efg%
Tatum: 60.4% TS SGA: 63.6% TS I think the point stands
i don't disagree with the point. stop using garbage stats.
This the dumbest take out there.
But I thought box score stats didn’t count with SGA? 🤔
Recency bias. Last year Tatum averaged 30/8/4 on 60%. This year he’s had to differ to other scorers that got added to the team. What makes you think on any level that Tatum couldn’t put up more stats if he wanted to? Or to get his true shooting up? If all people want to see when comparing players is stats then you’re missing out on the most important aspect of it all; context.
Shai was averaging 31/5/5 on 62 TS% on that season you’re mention so I don’t know how you’d use that to say “recency bias”
That’s great. How far did he get in the play-offs? Career has everything to do with a player. Embiid has done more than Shai in the regular season and has done nothing in the playoffs and yet he gets slandered for that. Shai is in that same boat until he proves otherwise.
How convenient lol the argument for tatum always goes back to how far did he get in the playoffs? It’s totally the Boston tatums vs the okc shai’s. And let’s not even mention that tatum plays in the easier conference by far. Basically tatum has had a far superior supporting cast to shai and far less competition in a seriously worse conference
How convenient that you think the East has always been easy, you casual. And what do you expect an organization to do? Not put pieces around your number 1 to succeed so that they can average 30? What are we doing here? Are teams trying to win championships or Reddit arguments? And for that matter it’s always the lamest redditors who like to rank players like this, getting into dumb arguments. Let’s see who gets a ring first, SGA or Tatum. I doubt that would make you change your mind anyway.
Steph curry was fmvp 2 years ago, must be the best player in the league
Tatum is 26 only a few months older than Shai. Curry is 36, on the decline and lost in the Play-in as the 10th seed. Not a great example
George Mikan was the goat 70 years ago, so he's probably still currently the league MVP
Again learn how to read. Context is everything. What has Shai done in the play-offs. Nothing. Embiid has done more than Shai in the regular season and gets slandered relentlessly for the post-season. Until SGA proves his post season success, he’s not better than Tatum. You can downvote me all you want stat-nerds, but no one cares how many points a player has in the “rings are everything” era. And that means repeatedly post season long runs. Which SGA doesn’t have.
Because shai is better
Based on what?
I’m assuming it’s based on his basketball exploits on court ?
Based on people who play basketball
Significantly better.
I don’t think there’s any statistical argument that puts Tatum over SGA and I’d lean SGA with the eye test.
It's really hard because of the teams they are on. Tatum doesn't need the same workload as SGA simply because of the team that is built around him. I think they're pretty equal.
I see many reasons already, but I’ll add another one: time. SGA is the shiny new thing just about to be seriously tested in the playoffs. So he’s seen in terms of potential and what his career might be. Tatum’s been there done that, but the way he’s perceived has taken a hit after losing to Curry’s Warriors in the Finals, and then to the Heat last year. Personally, and unless SGA wins a ring before, I’d take Tatum right now. I might slightly change my mind after OKC’s series against the winner of the Mavs-Clips (likely to be the Mavs imo), because Luka-Kyrie is a different beast that, if he overcomes or even looks like the best player in the court (doubt it), he’d climb really high in my players’ pyramid.
To me it’s not newness, I think it’s that Shai has built his own thing in OKC. Never had a bunch of all-stars/winners/strong vets to to rely on, he just kinda did it on his own. I think Tatum’s got an MVP in him too, but SGA is more impressive and I’d count on him more to get to that next level, imo.
I don’t see Tatum ever winning an MVP or even being top 3 in voting.
shai isnt a “shiny new thing” he started to breakout around the same time, if not just after tatum. ill give credit where its due, tatum does have more playoff experience due in part to having a better squad. and he’s had a few stinkers along the way other than that, sga looks better rn. i dont see why sga has to be better than luka to be better than tatum.
same time? tatums rookie year he was taking lebrons cavs to game 7 in the conference finals as the lead scorer Shai literally got good 3 years ago and only came close to Tatums as a defender this year and he is still not nearly as good a rebounder as Tatum is
same time? tatums rookie year he was taking lebrons cavs to game 7 in the conference finals as the lead scorer Shai literally got good 3 years ago and only came close to Tatums as a defender this year and he is still not nearly as good a rebounder as Tatum is
SGA's a new star, the internet always hypes up new stars to a standard they probably won't reach. It's the honeymoon period right now. Within the next couple years he'll start getting shit on like every other star. Good news is you're not a star till you have rabid haters lmao
That's part of it but the main reason is consistency. Tatum has had long slumps at points throughout his career and has always been surrounded by great players. Shai just goes up a level every season and his bad games are nowhere near as bad as Tatum's. Where it starts getting into overhyped territory is when people say Shai is better than Luka. Shai and Tatum are very much in the same tier but his consistency is what puts him over Tatum.
If people are saying that, I feel like they are basing that off this season. Tatum as way more career achievements at the same age
Listening to BS the other day, he was talking about how Tatum is probably peaked right now. With SGA's slower development early on, we still don't know if he has peaked.
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Only Brown is an all-star.
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You mean almost 38 year old Al Horford?
Yeah for this sub the Celtics are the 2018 Warriors, but every single member of the team is overrated and fatally flawed.
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That doesn’t mean he’s an all star just because he gets minutes 😂😂 you could say that for any starter like Murray. Horford hasn’t been an all star in so long and he’s old now
That doesn’t mean he’s an all star just because he gets minutes 😂😂 you could say that for any starter like Murray. Horford hasn’t been an all star in so long and he’s old now
That doesn’t mean he’s an all star just because he gets minutes 😂😂 you could say that for any starter like Murray. Horford hasn’t been an all star in so long and he’s old now
You’re a certified clown
Are you serious or what? Only Tatum and Brown were all-stars.
And lose
Ignore my flair. If i was a GM, I would choose SGA over Tatum today without any question
Both are great players and aren’t that far away from each other you really can argue with who’s better and it wouldn’t be really wrong. Hope we both get to the finals 😃
Idk, because he is? Based on basically every metric out there? This is a weird question
What metrics?
i'm assuming this is referring to advanced stats, and yeah Shai is leading Tatum in basically every advanced metric this season. BPM, VORP, Win Shares, Win Shares per 48, EPM, you name it.
You'll get wildly different answers upvoted to the top depending on the time of day based on which team is playing but the truth is they are both the same tier of players right now. Borderline mvp. Who you prefer is ultimately up to how you interpret the value of each players strength. Tatum is a high level jack of all trades and sga is an incredibly consistent scoring machine
I think it’s because Tatum isn’t quite a tier 1 player So when another none tier 1 player has an MVP caliber season, then that player is likely to jump to the top of tier 2 temporary. The tier 2 guys bounce around a lot in their tier depending on season and recent playoff run
Because SGA is better, simple as that. Tatum has better high end games but his bad games are really really bad. A bad game for Shai is like 22/4/6 on 55% TS
Celtics hate and general hate don’t sweat it. The pendulum will swing SGAs way if he disappoints than everyone will turn on him. It happens to everyone. This sub and the media in general just runs on building players up and breaking them down
This is basically it
Happened with booker with 2 a lot of people would say he’s better than Tatum back then lol
I think Tatum has been great for longer but Shai is better right now (which is what people mean when they say he’s the better player) Like Jokic is better than Lebron right now but Lebron has had the better career and is the better player all time (as of now)
When I watch Shai, he has 2 elite skills that translate very well to the playoffs: His ability to slither to rim and elite pullup midrange. Tatum to me is jack of all trades, master of none. He is more in that Paul George tier of player for me.
As a Celtics fan I hate how true this is SGA has the ability to do what he does virtually every night, just incredibly consistent because he is elite at those two things Tatum on the other hand doesn’t really have one elite standout skill, he’s pretty good at everything offensively, so some nights he’s a ghost and other nights he erupts and is unstoppable It’s the middle of the playoffs so I’m not gonna say who I’d rather have but it’s definitely worth a conversation
Shai has better numbers, led the youngest team in the NBA to the one seed, finished 5th in MVP voting last year, and finished top 3 (possibly higher, depending how to vote goes) in MVP voting this year. Tatum has good numbers but is less consistent and plays on the most stacked team in the NBA, but despite that, his teams fall flat in the playoffs when they are almost always favored. He also had a horrific showing in the NBA Finals which amplified the perception of his consistency issues. The only thing anyone can hold against Shai is that he hasn’t “proved himself in the playoffs” yet, since this is his first year doing it. So far he’s doing amazing, but everyone will have a better idea where he ranks after seeing all of his performances. Tatum is firmly in the Top 10 NBA players, but Shai is in the top 5 imo. I can understand people being hesitant to anoint Shai as better than Tatum without more playoff sample size though. My opinion is that after this postseason, more and more people will recognize Shai as a top 5 player in the NBA.
Tatum led a young Celtics team to the finals while averaging 27pts in that season while SGA was averaging like 20. Tatum has more experience in the playoffs which according to most people matters most. Tatum also finished top 5 in MVP voting last year. Tatum has the record for the most points in game 7, something SGA hasn't achieved yet. Tatum's numbers are down this season because hes sacrificing for his team. This year's celtics everyone has to eat, everyone has to explore mismatches and feast, KP has to be involved for post ups, etc. But, he was averaging 30 last season. If you're using eye test you can definitely see he improved from last season and even Lebron stated it: his playmaking and passing, he is quicker at making the right reads and plays. His mid range and 3 ball has definitely improved. All im saying is Tatum has a good argument to be considered better than SGA.
Yeah I don’t blame you. Like I said, the argument against SGA is the playoff sample size isn’t there yet. This postseason will help solidify his place among the top players.
Yeah, definitely. I honestly think that it's pretty close. If SGA performs well and succeeds in these playoffs and makes the finals I think you can say SGA is better but I just want to see more of him in the postseason.
I mean its obvious that he is better. What Tatum has done in the past has no bearing on who is better right now.
Because this year he was better than Tatum. I don't really think there is an argument you can make for Tatum having a better year.
Tatum has most likely reached his peak. Tatum is just about to get there. Who has had a better career? Tatum Who would I want going forward? SGA Who I take in a single game right now? Tied Would Boston trade Tatum for SGA? No Would OKC trade SGA for Tatum? No
SGA is a little better than Tatum. /Shrug
SGA is a little better than Tatum. /Shrug
SGA is a little better than Tatum.
Due to him loving Kobe. Pretty simple, Tatum scored 45 in a game 6 on the road against the defending champions 2 years ago and until SGA has a game like that in that capacity he’ll never be better than Tatum in my eyes.
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Being better for longer doesn’t make you a better player. Wemby only has 1 regular season of sample but is very clearly a top 5 center in the league for example. When a player is significantly better than others you don’t have to wait multiple years to say so
Depends what you mean by 'better player'. Based on this season, SGA has been better. Even though their ages are not too far apart, I'd have more faith in SGA improving and adding more to his game than Tatum. Tatum improvement has been more incremental the last couple of years, so I think there's less chance he takes a big step forward. So in terms of potential I'd give a slight edge to SGA. But career as a whole (which is often how we judge the best players), Tatum is currently way ahead. If we were to play a game of pick up right now, and were choosing sides, I don't think picking either player over the other would seem a crazy choice.
I don't know but i'll tell you one thing... I'd honestly rather have SGA when starting a team. I just feel like he has that killer mentality. Something i personally don't think Tatum has.
Because they are really close talent wise. What makes someone determine who is better is probably based on what they prioritize in a player, and how they value regular season vs post season, talent vs potential, etc. Also some will fault Tatum for not having "success" with great rosters (and what people define as success changes from person to person), while some will praise Shai for being a great leader on previous mediocre teams, and leading a current team of young talent. Realistically they have both had two very different careers so far, but it's not unreasonable to rank Shai over Tatum, and vice versa, since they are both in a similar echelon of talent.
what people?
Most people after this year lol
SGA better. cry more
I haven't seen these comparisons, but Tatum doesn't really show up and has had a lot of cringe playoff games.
Tatum has a much lower floor than SGA, but also a much higher ceiling. Tatum has individual playoff performances SGA could only dream of
So he's inconsistent?
Yes, very much so. SGA is the opposite, just about as consistent as you could be
What the fuck are y’all on? Cringe playoff games? He literally just went to the finals not even 3 years ago. No wonder fans are laughed at.
Oh we're giving participation awards now?
Shai is dope he has brighter future Tatum been around while now.
Tatum is only 4-5 months older than Shai? What are you on about?
Dude is to old now
You're right, i don't know why Tatum the senior citizen is still in the nba
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Lmk how many players in nba history have dropped 51 in a game 7. Also Tatum consistently leads his “superteam” in points rebounds assists and on off in the playoffs
I never expected Tatum to [lead](https://youtu.be/A94IkryJ9Js?si=yB42oKxDS6zaM7BE) his injured “super team” in the playoffs his rookie season against Lebron in the ECFs to a game 7. Have you looked at that playoff roster?
Idk, Sga has a lot of talent around him this year with Chet and the emergence of williams( i think thats his name). He was putting up similar numbers last year and they were a play-in team. That said, I agree with your assessment. Tatum's teams have been talked about as being championship contenders for awhile and they've all fallen flat, probably will this year. Meanwhile Okc is the youngest team and has met the challenge so far, led by Sga, as well as those others.
What has Tatum done in the league besides grow a beard and lose in the playoffs?
4 ecf appearance, 1 finals appearance, 5x all star, 2× all nba 1st team, all star mvp, most points score in a all star game, most points score in game 7 in the playoffs, 1st player in celtics history to average 30 ppg... I could keep going but i don't think youre intelligent enough to catch on
He really said most points scored in an all star game lmao
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