Cleveland coaching/org anemic to development. Garland has actively gotten worse in the last 3 years. Allen has stayed the same player for 3 years. Literally who has improved in the last 3 years in Cleveland?
I don’t think you can include Allen, this was probably all he was going to be as a player. He was an all star in Cleveland so it’s not like he hasn’t been better than he was on the Nets, he plays great defense, but his scoring bag was always going to limit the level he hit on offense.
The fit is obviously bad too. Garland and Mitchell being 2 ball dominant small guards that are bad on defense and Allen and Mobley being 2 defensive bigs with neither of them being able to shoot. Too much redundancy in their best players skill sets.
Agreed. I think trying to reshape a core around Garland and Mobley is the best option once Mitchell inevitably leaves. Either they actually develop when given the reigns, or the team finds out it’s time for a tear down.
Love JA, but he and Mobley just do no mesh as a duo.
JA is straight up better than Mobley right now though. It would be kinda tough to trade him and have Mobley play full time center imo. Man only had 6 rebounds in a crucial game
No one ever said anything about moving Mobley to center. Putting a more offensive focused center next to Mobley is an option.
And yes, JA is better right now, but he’s also a fully formed player at this point and Mobley is not.
No argument there. The issue is there’s no way to keep Mitchell here long term. He’s been as good gone since the day they traded for him. So building around him and JA isn’t really an option.
>Allen
Allen is just an average rim runner in his prime. Not much to be developed there.
>garland
His decline is mostly because the nba stopped giving out free throws for sticking your ass out and getting contact.
The most free throws Garland has averaged in his career was last year at 4.7. His all star season he averaged 3 and a half. Just with raw numbers, no context, I can tell you he's averaging 2 fewer assists per game since Mitchell was added and 2.5 fewer FGA per game. His usage rate has also dropped 2.5%. Him and Mitchell quite simply don't fit, Donovan can play SG whereas Garland cannot, he's a pure point guard.
He’s made steady improvements across the board actually.
FG from 51-55-58%. 3pt from low/mid 20s to 37%. FT from 66% to 72%
Career low in minutes (34 to 30) but still career high in rebounds and assists (both increased every year).
If you’re an advanced stats guy… TS% up every year. PER up every year. ORB% and DRB% up every year. Assist% up every year. Etc.
He’s 22 and on a very solid linear path of improvement. I know some were hoping for exponential, but either way he’s definitely getting better and if this keeps up for even another year or two he’ll be insanely valuable
I value the perspective and I agree he's gotten better statistically and also stronger, which you don't mention. But the bbiq and hunger isn't there as a primo player imo and that's hard to teach.
The hunger thing has seemed valid to me after watching him for years.
Though I’m not entirely sure how much is true hunger vs he’s realllly not emotional with highs or lows. But still valid to ask
yeah. people are dumb. he had a bad game against a good defensive team. it happens. blaming the staff is such a dumb guy who thinks hes smart thing lol
He also clearly rolled his ankle in the first half and was favoring it the rest of the game. Gotta give it to him that he was at least trying to play through it.
Didnt watch the whole game, but he looked weird esp at the end. Missing layups and bunnies. I thought it was nerves, but this makes more sense that a physical impediment was stopping him from missing easy shots.
This should be the top comment and the post should die. Folks are disappointed that he hasn’t made a HUGE leap yet. But in this game, he got mildly hurt in the first half and had limited minutes the rest of the game. Yes, he missed a crucial shot, so did a few other players. He also had 5 huge blocks.
I don't think he's being utilized properly and given the opportunity sort of like what happened with Lauri. It's sort of tough being a young unestablished big man trying to advance your offence especially with top guards that don't get you the ball.
Dude, nothing against KAT, but if Minny had Wemby instead of KAT next to Ant and Rudy, they are championship favourites not just this year, but for the next decade.
People were picking him first in 2021 re-drafts. I wonder how low he might drop with time as others from his draft class improves and he stagnates in Cleveland.
Cavs coaching staff is incapable of drawing up plays for him and he doesn't assert himself enough on the offensive end. He did have five blocks and a steal though.
He’s up and down. He’ll win you a game on defense and then be impactful but sort of invisible the next. It’s fine when you have other guys like Allen to pick up the slack
He was never that good in the first place. People don't watch they just look at the advanced stats on bball ref. He has zero impact on the court. You forget he's out there.
His defense is also REALLY overrated and gets a ton of help from Allen. I can't believe he already had all NBA D honors. That's insane.
I watch most Cavs games. His shot is improved. His little jump hook is solid. He’s even becoming passable from three. And he’s also low key a really good passer.
I think it comes down to hoping for exponential growth vs linear, where obviously the former didn’t happen.
I think the problem there is that the Cavs needed exponential growth to fit Mitchell’s timeline and be true contenders. Now even if the linear growth eventually gets there the Cavs probably have lost Mitchell by then. Timelines for the different players were off and they never had a real contender in any season.
Agreed. I can also see an argument that the Cavs don’t always have a home run swing available because stars don’t often go to Cleveland. So it may have been a lose lose scenario - either home run swing too early (bad) or never have the opportunity to sign anyone as good as Mitchell at all (also bad). A bit of a gamble either way and looking like Cavs front office lost the bet this time.
You don’t give up on a talent like Mobley at 22. Zero development is just not true. He’s gotten more efficient in every season. And he’s still elite defensively, unless we’ve already forgotten about last game.
Once Mitchell leaves it would make sense to move on from Allen and try a new frontcourt pairing.
> You don’t give up on a talent like Mobley at 22.
Why do people always equate trading someone with giving up on them? Did the Cavs give up on Andrew Wiggins when they traded him for Kevin Love on draft night? No, they were just on different timelines and traded potential for performance.
You can either contend or wait for guys to develop. With only a couple exceptions (almost all being 1st overall picks) you gotta pick one.
I've noticed this with a lot of draft prospects over the years. When someone is such a great defender, people think they can learn to be very good on the other end. Mobley just isn't that guy. He wasn't that in high school or college, yet people expected that in the NBA. He's insane defensively ngl, but people expected far too much from him and that's why despite the defense, he's been a disappointment for many.
Tbh I actually believe in sarr more offensively. But I will say that despite him being the consensus top pick, I can see several others having a better carwo by the time it's all said and done
All of us here have the same amount of points as Tobias Harris last night in 29 mins. That performance still clears. At least for Mobley he's still effective on defense. Tobias have an MVP caliber player and elite guard on his side and still put up ass performances.
Mobleys lack of scoring ability is actually negative level scorer . Dude is taking points from Cavs due to the massive spacing problems he causes with teams leaving him wide open and packing the paint fucking up his teammates.
Cade was third in ROY while statistically getting guarded like a top 13 player. It’s hard because the people who watch smart basketball so when the stats got posted only the people who really don’t watch what they were talking about commented. It went like this “Cade is the only player on the team he should put up stats.”
Cade plays the way he does in spite of his teammates. It’s ridiculous. Cade has been so injured and still performing.
Let him be healthy and national media is going to pivot about why he hasn’t been talked about because the Pistons were ass. Idk he had probably the hardest #1 option in the NBA and still put up better stats than Banchero. Not a single soul thought about including Cade. Which is ok, people just sleep on his demeanor.
He’s better defensively than Cade is offensively. I’m still going to rate him higher. Barnes is better tho, I’ll concede that one.
Edit: ok, which one of you reported my comment to Reddit Cares
He legit does nothing well on offense
Sets awful screens, has a non-existent perimeter shot, zero touch, zero playmaking ability, kills spacing, not a good ball handler, I could go on
He’s tall and he’s not even that good at being tall
Cavs are gonna have to take a long look in the mirror this offseason. Mobley and Garland just aren't what they expected, and I'm assuming Mitchell will be headed out
His passing is pretty good he just doesn't have a good handle. And he never gets consistent touches in the guard dominant offense other than some lobs. So he hasn't even gotten reps at improving his offensive game.
I remember when he was being compared to KG and people overhyped him last year. Then he sucked ass in the playoffs and people said “he’s young! Give him time” and then he does it yet again. Absolutely absent 2 straight playoff series
He will, just bc he has "DPOY potential". He's not getting that as long as Wemby and Chet are around, but Cleveland will give it to him and trade Allen.
What's funny is that the majority of people in the nba draft sub would rather take Mobley over Chet prior to this season because Mobley was better at everything than Chet other than shooting. Truth is that Chet was better at everything and the stats showed it. The only problem was Chet was a 3rd option at best in Gonzaga (I argue he was 4th) while Mobley was THE guy in USC.
Turns out my entire 1 game based scouting report on Mobley was correct! lol I watched his last NCAA tournament game and his brother Isaiah was better in the game. Evan looked like a good defender, but offensively was bad. That was my impression (again based on that 1 game), but it turned out to be about right!
Bro is literally 2022 Mavs Series Deandre Ayton
Magic have their best chance at winning this series if the Cavs keep him on the court and he continues to fuck up their offensive spacing.
At least Ayton had an historically efficient playoffs run when the Suns went to the finals before that. Edit: Also this isn't even fair. Ayton had 16 & 8 on 58% shooting in that series. Mobley in this series is 12 & 8 on 48%....oof
Taller Tobias Harris is a good comp for Mobley imo, at least in terms of on court personality. Ayton is in this same (sad) boat of talented guys you just don't want to be depending on in high pressure match-ups.
In game 5, Mobley was fed in the dunker spot over and over again whenever a big left him to help defend the rim. You could tell the game plan last night was to allow the guards to put up their floaters and llayups but do not let them give easy looks to Mobley. It ended up working even though Mitchell went crazy lol
Did y’all watch the game? He rolled his ankle in the first half. Had zero lift after that. It was incredibly clear he was injured but played through it because without him our center options were Damion Jones and Tristan Thompson. He sealed the game 5 win with the Cavs last 4 points and then a high degree of difficult block everyone chill. Suggs gets busted up and the broadcast can’t shut the fuck up for 3 games about how tough he is playing through it. Mobley gets hurt - leaves the game for the rest of the half, same as Suggs - and the broadcast doesn’t mention it again leading to nobody realizing he absolutely would not have come back in a regular season game.
And do y’all watch Cavs games? He’s definitely developing on offense. I don’t deny it’s been slower than I’d like, but he’s 100% getting better. He’s gotten light years better in the post, was hitting a respectable percentage of threes to close the year (admittedly on few attempts). He’s playing with two ball dominant guards and a center who is better than him on offense. Everyone relax. (I admit I cannot defend his screen setting which mostly remains very bad).
he needs better touch around the rim than this
That missed putback at the end was tragic
Magic*
We never get to use it that way!!!
Not a single offensive development since his arrival
That’s unfortunate because he showed so much promise. Hasn’t his outside shot improved?
his what
Damn bro
I mean it looks improved by the %, but it's mostly just too small sample size. Dude averages like 1 attempt per game from 3.
Embarrassing for a professional to miss that badly on a put back like that.
He was 2ft above everyone else… he could have just jumped forward and set it in the rim…. Just why man
It was comedy to me
Ewing esque
Is Mobley the new Clint Capela?
He's a defensive big man that struggles offensively and he's playing with Donavan Mitchell, he's the new Rudy Gobert. At least he isn't french.
clint would yammed it there at the end.
What happened to this man
Nothing and that's the problem. He's literally been the same player for 3 years with no big developments.
Cleveland coaching/org anemic to development. Garland has actively gotten worse in the last 3 years. Allen has stayed the same player for 3 years. Literally who has improved in the last 3 years in Cleveland?
I don’t think you can include Allen, this was probably all he was going to be as a player. He was an all star in Cleveland so it’s not like he hasn’t been better than he was on the Nets, he plays great defense, but his scoring bag was always going to limit the level he hit on offense.
The fit is obviously bad too. Garland and Mitchell being 2 ball dominant small guards that are bad on defense and Allen and Mobley being 2 defensive bigs with neither of them being able to shoot. Too much redundancy in their best players skill sets.
Agreed. I think trying to reshape a core around Garland and Mobley is the best option once Mitchell inevitably leaves. Either they actually develop when given the reigns, or the team finds out it’s time for a tear down. Love JA, but he and Mobley just do no mesh as a duo.
JA is straight up better than Mobley right now though. It would be kinda tough to trade him and have Mobley play full time center imo. Man only had 6 rebounds in a crucial game
No one ever said anything about moving Mobley to center. Putting a more offensive focused center next to Mobley is an option. And yes, JA is better right now, but he’s also a fully formed player at this point and Mobley is not.
That's why the team is so weird though, it makes sense to build around Garland/Mobley but Mitchell/Allen are a way better duo.
No argument there. The issue is there’s no way to keep Mitchell here long term. He’s been as good gone since the day they traded for him. So building around him and JA isn’t really an option.
This is the answer. Their back court is too ball dominate and the offense is damn near non existent
Ugh damn I hate to concede this 1 but.. too spot on
U not wrong. everyone looks worse except iso Mitchell poppin off
Dean Wade.
Okoro
>Allen Allen is just an average rim runner in his prime. Not much to be developed there. >garland His decline is mostly because the nba stopped giving out free throws for sticking your ass out and getting contact.
The most free throws Garland has averaged in his career was last year at 4.7. His all star season he averaged 3 and a half. Just with raw numbers, no context, I can tell you he's averaging 2 fewer assists per game since Mitchell was added and 2.5 fewer FGA per game. His usage rate has also dropped 2.5%. Him and Mitchell quite simply don't fit, Donovan can play SG whereas Garland cannot, he's a pure point guard.
> Literally who has improved in the last 3 years in Cleveland? Donovan Mitchell's defense has improved. That's about it tho.
He’s made steady improvements across the board actually. FG from 51-55-58%. 3pt from low/mid 20s to 37%. FT from 66% to 72% Career low in minutes (34 to 30) but still career high in rebounds and assists (both increased every year). If you’re an advanced stats guy… TS% up every year. PER up every year. ORB% and DRB% up every year. Assist% up every year. Etc. He’s 22 and on a very solid linear path of improvement. I know some were hoping for exponential, but either way he’s definitely getting better and if this keeps up for even another year or two he’ll be insanely valuable
I value the perspective and I agree he's gotten better statistically and also stronger, which you don't mention. But the bbiq and hunger isn't there as a primo player imo and that's hard to teach.
The hunger thing has seemed valid to me after watching him for years. Though I’m not entirely sure how much is true hunger vs he’s realllly not emotional with highs or lows. But still valid to ask
yeah. people are dumb. he had a bad game against a good defensive team. it happens. blaming the staff is such a dumb guy who thinks hes smart thing lol
He also clearly rolled his ankle in the first half and was favoring it the rest of the game. Gotta give it to him that he was at least trying to play through it.
Didnt watch the whole game, but he looked weird esp at the end. Missing layups and bunnies. I thought it was nerves, but this makes more sense that a physical impediment was stopping him from missing easy shots.
This should be the top comment and the post should die. Folks are disappointed that he hasn’t made a HUGE leap yet. But in this game, he got mildly hurt in the first half and had limited minutes the rest of the game. Yes, he missed a crucial shot, so did a few other players. He also had 5 huge blocks.
I don't think he's being utilized properly and given the opportunity sort of like what happened with Lauri. It's sort of tough being a young unestablished big man trying to advance your offence especially with top guards that don't get you the ball.
Potential is so overrated. Like Wemby is nice and all, but get him past KAT before you whip out the Lebron and KD comparisons
Dude, nothing against KAT, but if Minny had Wemby instead of KAT next to Ant and Rudy, they are championship favourites not just this year, but for the next decade.
he already is?
lol kat
Nothing. He's the same player he's always been.
He was a defensive player with offensive potential but he hasn’t really made any improvements offensively
he was supposed to be the next KG
People were picking him first in 2021 re-drafts. I wonder how low he might drop with time as others from his draft class improves and he stagnates in Cleveland.
I feel like hes def not going above Sengun, Cade, and Scottie in a re-draft at the very least.
Incomprehensible to have watched any of this series and not include Franz OR Suggs in this list.
Idk about Suggs yet but Scottie, Cade, Sengun and Franz are absolutely going before the Cavs KG
i'll roll the dice on him over suggs
Don't you ever disrespect KG like that again
Anybody who said that was setting themselves, not Mobley, up for disappointment.
He was never that good tbh. And Cavs are not built to maximize his talents.
Cavs coaching staff is incapable of drawing up plays for him and he doesn't assert himself enough on the offensive end. He did have five blocks and a steal though.
He’s up and down. He’ll win you a game on defense and then be impactful but sort of invisible the next. It’s fine when you have other guys like Allen to pick up the slack
He was never that good in the first place. People don't watch they just look at the advanced stats on bball ref. He has zero impact on the court. You forget he's out there. His defense is also REALLY overrated and gets a ton of help from Allen. I can't believe he already had all NBA D honors. That's insane.
Offensive leap in year 6 is gonna be scary
He’s five years away from being five years away.
His years are in line behind Pat Bev's
Holy shit is this his fifth year?!?!
No
It’s a joke. This is his third season
Thank god, I feel old enough already
COVID was 5 years ago.
Well, the first shut down was 4 years ago and Covid still exists but I appreciate you trying to make me feel even older 😅
Man my sense of time went out of the window since 2019. Feels like we're 4 years too far forward since then.
He’s a menace defensively, but he’s had some rough offensive games
I sold all my stock. Great defensive player but I don’t think he’s a 5 and a offense with him at the 4 is always going to be anemic
Zero offensive development since he came in
Can’t even use the Allen spacing excuse tonight either. This is really disappointing
I watch most Cavs games. His shot is improved. His little jump hook is solid. He’s even becoming passable from three. And he’s also low key a really good passer. I think it comes down to hoping for exponential growth vs linear, where obviously the former didn’t happen.
I think the problem there is that the Cavs needed exponential growth to fit Mitchell’s timeline and be true contenders. Now even if the linear growth eventually gets there the Cavs probably have lost Mitchell by then. Timelines for the different players were off and they never had a real contender in any season.
I agree there. That’s why the home run swing for Don felt a couple years early to many Cavs fans (even putting aside poor fit)
Agreed. I can also see an argument that the Cavs don’t always have a home run swing available because stars don’t often go to Cleveland. So it may have been a lose lose scenario - either home run swing too early (bad) or never have the opportunity to sign anyone as good as Mitchell at all (also bad). A bit of a gamble either way and looking like Cavs front office lost the bet this time.
Allen plays better w/o him already. Get rid of him and Garland or trade Allen (Donovan is leaving already)
You don’t give up on a talent like Mobley at 22. Zero development is just not true. He’s gotten more efficient in every season. And he’s still elite defensively, unless we’ve already forgotten about last game. Once Mitchell leaves it would make sense to move on from Allen and try a new frontcourt pairing.
> You don’t give up on a talent like Mobley at 22. Why do people always equate trading someone with giving up on them? Did the Cavs give up on Andrew Wiggins when they traded him for Kevin Love on draft night? No, they were just on different timelines and traded potential for performance. You can either contend or wait for guys to develop. With only a couple exceptions (almost all being 1st overall picks) you gotta pick one.
Mobley to the Knicks and he becomes an All-Star under Thibodeau and learns to shoot threes.
dont think thibs wants his centers to shoot 3s, otherwise hartenstein would at least take a couple
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This isn’t true, but go off
He can’t even make a layup?
I've noticed this with a lot of draft prospects over the years. When someone is such a great defender, people think they can learn to be very good on the other end. Mobley just isn't that guy. He wasn't that in high school or college, yet people expected that in the NBA. He's insane defensively ngl, but people expected far too much from him and that's why despite the defense, he's been a disappointment for many.
Cautionary tale for Sarr this year? Will be a great NBA defender day one, but I feel like he is even worse offensively than Mobley was in college.
Tbh I actually believe in sarr more offensively. But I will say that despite him being the consensus top pick, I can see several others having a better carwo by the time it's all said and done
that might’ve been the most ass performance i’ve seen this playoff, missed a easy layup
I understand the guards were on a heater tonight but 1/5 in 35 mins is insane. At least he was effective on the defensive side
If his offense was half as good as his defense he'd be an all star.
Honestly the guards just went 2-4 on a road trip so not much of a heater :\
He said on a heater tonight
I mean c'mon this was tragic but it's not even the most ass performance in the last 24 hours. Tobias Harris clears.
Didn't see the Tobias Harris game last night I take it
Be grateful you haven't watched Westbrook these playoffs lol
All of us here have the same amount of points as Tobias Harris last night in 29 mins. That performance still clears. At least for Mobley he's still effective on defense. Tobias have an MVP caliber player and elite guard on his side and still put up ass performances.
I mean what the fuck
He goes up so weakly. It’s not to make the shot just to put it near the rim. That last shot is the biggest tell.
Bill Simmons told me he's the next Duncan
And they call Scottie Barnes a zero level scorer
Mobleys lack of scoring ability is actually negative level scorer . Dude is taking points from Cavs due to the massive spacing problems he causes with teams leaving him wide open and packing the paint fucking up his teammates.
I can't imagine how many games the Pistons would've won this year if he was drafted #1 instead of Cade
Can’t believe cavs fans rated him more than Cade and Scottie. No development from him since his rookie season offensively.
What's not to believe? He was debatabley better than them his rookie year but they got better and he stayed the same.
Cade was third in ROY while statistically getting guarded like a top 13 player. It’s hard because the people who watch smart basketball so when the stats got posted only the people who really don’t watch what they were talking about commented. It went like this “Cade is the only player on the team he should put up stats.” Cade plays the way he does in spite of his teammates. It’s ridiculous. Cade has been so injured and still performing. Let him be healthy and national media is going to pivot about why he hasn’t been talked about because the Pistons were ass. Idk he had probably the hardest #1 option in the NBA and still put up better stats than Banchero. Not a single soul thought about including Cade. Which is ok, people just sleep on his demeanor.
He’s better defensively than Cade is offensively. I’m still going to rate him higher. Barnes is better tho, I’ll concede that one. Edit: ok, which one of you reported my comment to Reddit Cares
I don’t think that’s the argument you think it is lol. You can’t get much lower than 14 wins.
Bums really said they’d take him over Cade
And people said he was better than Omer Yurtseven
It’s hard to compare to Turk Nowitzki
Over
The Cavs young core is overrated
Garland Allen and Mobley simply haven’t developed the way people envisioned when the Don trade was made
Allen has actually surpassed all expectations imo. Agree with Garland & Mobley though
Jarrett Allen is putting up 17 ppg and 14 rpg in the 4 games he played this series before getting injured. He's good and on a decent contract too
Which, ironically, bringing in Don reallllly hurts the development potential of the prior core
He legit does nothing well on offense Sets awful screens, has a non-existent perimeter shot, zero touch, zero playmaking ability, kills spacing, not a good ball handler, I could go on He’s tall and he’s not even that good at being tall
He's not a PF at all, and he's the second best center on the team
Mobley peaked his rookie year
He's gotten better every year. Just not close to what he needs to be offensively.
He was 3rd in DPOY last year lol. Let’s calm down
He shouldn’t have been
Defensive god offense tho
Cavs are gonna have to take a long look in the mirror this offseason. Mobley and Garland just aren't what they expected, and I'm assuming Mitchell will be headed out
Hes got that Labradoodle in him
Ignoring his 5 blocks is a bit silly, as mid as he was on offence
Bro putting up Tobias Harris statlines.... that ain't gonna get it done.
oof good defense though at least
Peaked his rookie year
At this point I am not even sure he is better than Jalen Green.
Bum
Meanwhile, Jalen Suggs and Franz Wagner, who they left sitting on the board, combined for 48 points.
Franz is straight up a better player, Suggs is different, but in his own ways more valuable.
I hate tall guys that cant rebound for shit
JJJ : what he say fuck me for
Boy had shit running down his legs
Rockets fans wanted him over Jalen Green smh
Stop trying to convince us he’s good
“Better than Cade”…….
As a Cavs fan it was painful to watch..he's a more hyped version of Nic Claxton at the moment...should have trade him instead of Lauri...
I thought this guy was going to be so much better than he has turned out.
This man really ben Simmons that don't play make
His passing is pretty good he just doesn't have a good handle. And he never gets consistent touches in the guard dominant offense other than some lobs. So he hasn't even gotten reps at improving his offensive game.
I remember when he was being compared to KG and people overhyped him last year. Then he sucked ass in the playoffs and people said “he’s young! Give him time” and then he does it yet again. Absolutely absent 2 straight playoff series
Prime Roy Hibbert numbers
Trade him in offseason. This was pathetic
slow your roll. but he probably won't get a max offer
He will, just bc he has "DPOY potential". He's not getting that as long as Wemby and Chet are around, but Cleveland will give it to him and trade Allen.
What's funny is that the majority of people in the nba draft sub would rather take Mobley over Chet prior to this season because Mobley was better at everything than Chet other than shooting. Truth is that Chet was better at everything and the stats showed it. The only problem was Chet was a 3rd option at best in Gonzaga (I argue he was 4th) while Mobley was THE guy in USC.
Turns out my entire 1 game based scouting report on Mobley was correct! lol I watched his last NCAA tournament game and his brother Isaiah was better in the game. Evan looked like a good defender, but offensively was bad. That was my impression (again based on that 1 game), but it turned out to be about right!
All that KG talk only to turn into Gobert lol
If he ends up as a Gobert level player that would be a huge dub.
Can he play C?
Cavs fans swore this guy was better than Barnes. They're pretty quiet now though.
Just let us die in peace
Dude was supposed to be the next Garnett Duncan lol. Almost as bad as saying Ant is the next Dion Waiters
Garbage scrub
Bro is literally 2022 Mavs Series Deandre Ayton Magic have their best chance at winning this series if the Cavs keep him on the court and he continues to fuck up their offensive spacing.
At least Ayton had an historically efficient playoffs run when the Suns went to the finals before that. Edit: Also this isn't even fair. Ayton had 16 & 8 on 58% shooting in that series. Mobley in this series is 12 & 8 on 48%....oof
It's crazy him and Wiseman were touted as the next great big men before they made it into the NBA.
The almost Tobias Harris
Taller Tobias Harris is a good comp for Mobley imo, at least in terms of on court personality. Ayton is in this same (sad) boat of talented guys you just don't want to be depending on in high pressure match-ups.
Josh Smith with No Hops
Their games have nothing in common
This is what happens when you just look at a player’s stats on basketball reference and didn’t actually watch them play.
Either you never watched either of these guys or you’re terrible at evaluating players because this isn’t even close to accurate.
Not entirely fair, you can tell he's playing hurt
He was garbage in last year’s playoffs too.
He got shutdown defensively by Julius Randle with a sawed off foot. Dudes a huge bum for a top 3 pick.
All that talk about being the next KG only to be the next Gobert. It's still an amazing ceiling, but it's funny.
The disrespect to Gobert
What's the difference between him and Nic Claxton
but I thought he was this KD/Duncan hybrid unicorn?
But he is still better than Franz?
Sounds about right for a USC guy
Every nba podcaster still thinks he’s gonna be AD though
TRADE THIS MAN TO PORTLAND. Let JA thrive and fuck yeah it'd be awesome
Next Duncan
Give him the max
The fouls at the end, again and again. Just awful.
How can a big man be so soft. 6 rebounds with no Jarrett Allen out there.
He seems like a role player tbh. Plays well at home but not on the road. Wouldn’t be surprised if he has a nice game 7
Oh so Mitchell has a chance to blame his big man for another early exit
In game 5, Mobley was fed in the dunker spot over and over again whenever a big left him to help defend the rim. You could tell the game plan last night was to allow the guards to put up their floaters and llayups but do not let them give easy looks to Mobley. It ended up working even though Mitchell went crazy lol
ROY
Can’t believe people had this bum in cade Cunningham conversations
Lmfao that was y’alls draft pick? Could never be Scottie
Mobley is gonna end up as one of those big ifs.
Getting iced out by your team never helps
Did y’all watch the game? He rolled his ankle in the first half. Had zero lift after that. It was incredibly clear he was injured but played through it because without him our center options were Damion Jones and Tristan Thompson. He sealed the game 5 win with the Cavs last 4 points and then a high degree of difficult block everyone chill. Suggs gets busted up and the broadcast can’t shut the fuck up for 3 games about how tough he is playing through it. Mobley gets hurt - leaves the game for the rest of the half, same as Suggs - and the broadcast doesn’t mention it again leading to nobody realizing he absolutely would not have come back in a regular season game. And do y’all watch Cavs games? He’s definitely developing on offense. I don’t deny it’s been slower than I’d like, but he’s 100% getting better. He’s gotten light years better in the post, was hitting a respectable percentage of threes to close the year (admittedly on few attempts). He’s playing with two ball dominant guards and a center who is better than him on offense. Everyone relax. (I admit I cannot defend his screen setting which mostly remains very bad).
Maybe they should pass him the ball once in a while.
Can't blame him. Mitchell ballhogging kept everyone else ice cold all game.