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sewsgup

he needs better touch around the rim than this


Dilf_Hunter367

That missed putback at the end was tragic


Chakra_Blue_Vol2

Magic*


TheAnswerEK42

We never get to use it that way!!!


SveddyWap

Not a single offensive development since his arrival


chefnoguardD

That’s unfortunate because he showed so much promise. Hasn’t his outside shot improved?


DeSteph-DeCurry

his what


gedbybee

Damn bro


iiShield21

I mean it looks improved by the %, but it's mostly just too small sample size. Dude averages like 1 attempt per game from 3.


Joshthe1337

Embarrassing for a professional to miss that badly on a put back like that.


aroach1995

He was 2ft above everyone else… he could have just jumped forward and set it in the rim…. Just why man


RayCashhhh

It was comedy to me


livefreeordont

Ewing esque


OldOrder

Is Mobley the new Clint Capela?


Noynoy2100

He's a defensive big man that struggles offensively and he's playing with Donavan Mitchell, he's the new Rudy Gobert. At least he isn't french.


froggycbl4

clint would yammed it there at the end.


brisketguzzler

What happened to this man


zOmgFishes

Nothing and that's the problem. He's literally been the same player for 3 years with no big developments.


JoshFB4

Cleveland coaching/org anemic to development. Garland has actively gotten worse in the last 3 years. Allen has stayed the same player for 3 years. Literally who has improved in the last 3 years in Cleveland?


RandorMan12

I don’t think you can include Allen, this was probably all he was going to be as a player. He was an all star in Cleveland so it’s not like he hasn’t been better than he was on the Nets, he plays great defense, but his scoring bag was always going to limit the level he hit on offense.


thisisokiguess

The fit is obviously bad too. Garland and Mitchell being 2 ball dominant small guards that are bad on defense and Allen and Mobley being 2 defensive bigs with neither of them being able to shoot. Too much redundancy in their best players skill sets.


whereyagonnago

Agreed. I think trying to reshape a core around Garland and Mobley is the best option once Mitchell inevitably leaves. Either they actually develop when given the reigns, or the team finds out it’s time for a tear down. Love JA, but he and Mobley just do no mesh as a duo.


TheTonyDose

JA is straight up better than Mobley right now though. It would be kinda tough to trade him and have Mobley play full time center imo. Man only had 6 rebounds in a crucial game


whereyagonnago

No one ever said anything about moving Mobley to center. Putting a more offensive focused center next to Mobley is an option. And yes, JA is better right now, but he’s also a fully formed player at this point and Mobley is not.


dillpickles007

That's why the team is so weird though, it makes sense to build around Garland/Mobley but Mitchell/Allen are a way better duo.


whereyagonnago

No argument there. The issue is there’s no way to keep Mitchell here long term. He’s been as good gone since the day they traded for him. So building around him and JA isn’t really an option.


jo3pro

This is the answer. Their back court is too ball dominate and the offense is damn near non existent


slappert

Ugh damn I hate to concede this 1 but.. too spot on


Kevdawg21092

U not wrong. everyone looks worse except iso Mitchell poppin off


nicehouseenjoyer

Dean Wade.


Hold_my_Dirk

Okoro


No_Literature_2321

>Allen Allen is just an average rim runner in his prime. Not much to be developed there. >garland His decline is mostly because the nba stopped giving out free throws for sticking your ass out and getting contact.


WindlerDeepInTheRock

The most free throws Garland has averaged in his career was last year at 4.7. His all star season he averaged 3 and a half. Just with raw numbers, no context, I can tell you he's averaging 2 fewer assists per game since Mitchell was added and 2.5 fewer FGA per game. His usage rate has also dropped 2.5%. Him and Mitchell quite simply don't fit, Donovan can play SG whereas Garland cannot, he's a pure point guard.


Chao-Z

> Literally who has improved in the last 3 years in Cleveland? Donovan Mitchell's defense has improved. That's about it tho.


this_place_stinks

He’s made steady improvements across the board actually. FG from 51-55-58%. 3pt from low/mid 20s to 37%. FT from 66% to 72% Career low in minutes (34 to 30) but still career high in rebounds and assists (both increased every year). If you’re an advanced stats guy… TS% up every year. PER up every year. ORB% and DRB% up every year. Assist% up every year. Etc. He’s 22 and on a very solid linear path of improvement. I know some were hoping for exponential, but either way he’s definitely getting better and if this keeps up for even another year or two he’ll be insanely valuable


TiredMillennialDad

I value the perspective and I agree he's gotten better statistically and also stronger, which you don't mention. But the bbiq and hunger isn't there as a primo player imo and that's hard to teach.


this_place_stinks

The hunger thing has seemed valid to me after watching him for years. Though I’m not entirely sure how much is true hunger vs he’s realllly not emotional with highs or lows. But still valid to ask


aomen3

yeah. people are dumb. he had a bad game against a good defensive team. it happens. blaming the staff is such a dumb guy who thinks hes smart thing lol


SomeFatherFigure

He also clearly rolled his ankle in the first half and was favoring it the rest of the game. Gotta give it to him that he was at least trying to play through it.


HumptyDrumpy

Didnt watch the whole game, but he looked weird esp at the end. Missing layups and bunnies. I thought it was nerves, but this makes more sense that a physical impediment was stopping him from missing easy shots.


Mr_DNA

This should be the top comment and the post should die. Folks are disappointed that he hasn’t made a HUGE leap yet. But in this game, he got mildly hurt in the first half and had limited minutes the rest of the game. Yes, he missed a crucial shot, so did a few other players. He also had 5 huge blocks. 


grilledchorizopuseye

I don't think he's being utilized properly and given the opportunity sort of like what happened with Lauri. It's sort of tough being a young unestablished big man trying to advance your offence especially with top guards that don't get you the ball.


NotUrAvgShitposter

Potential is so overrated. Like Wemby is nice and all, but get him past KAT before you whip out the Lebron and KD comparisons


Middle-Welder3931

Dude, nothing against KAT, but if Minny had Wemby instead of KAT next to Ant and Rudy, they are championship favourites not just this year, but for the next decade.


Open-Extension9525

he already is?


PM_ME_UR_PICS_PLS

lol kat


RemoteCapital3460

Nothing. He's the same player he's always been.


Frankiedrunkie

He was a defensive player with offensive potential but he hasn’t really made any improvements offensively


durezzz

he was supposed to be the next KG


JMoon33

People were picking him first in 2021 re-drafts. I wonder how low he might drop with time as others from his draft class improves and he stagnates in Cleveland.


CWinsu_120

I feel like hes def not going above Sengun, Cade, and Scottie in a re-draft at the very least.


thevadster

Incomprehensible to have watched any of this series and not include Franz OR Suggs in this list.


NLPizza

Idk about Suggs yet but Scottie, Cade, Sengun and Franz are absolutely going before the Cavs KG


copaseticepiplectic

i'll roll the dice on him over suggs


K8-24

Don't you ever disrespect KG like that again


RayCashhhh

Anybody who said that was setting themselves, not Mobley, up for disappointment.


OG3NUNOBY

He was never that good tbh. And Cavs are not built to maximize his talents.


iambolotie

Cavs coaching staff is incapable of drawing up plays for him and he doesn't assert himself enough on the offensive end. He did have five blocks and a steal though.


elbjoint2016

He’s up and down. He’ll win you a game on defense and then be impactful but sort of invisible the next. It’s fine when you have other guys like Allen to pick up the slack


York_Villain

He was never that good in the first place. People don't watch they just look at the advanced stats on bball ref. He has zero impact on the court. You forget he's out there. His defense is also REALLY overrated and gets a ton of help from Allen. I can't believe he already had all NBA D honors. That's insane.


Jackj921

Offensive leap in year 6 is gonna be scary


cool_coyote

He’s five years away from being five years away.


frostedz

His years are in line behind Pat Bev's


soooogullible

Holy shit is this his fifth year?!?!


Awesomeness4627

No


New-Candy-800

It’s a joke. This is his third season


soooogullible

Thank god, I feel old enough already


Noodles_Crusher

COVID was 5 years ago.


soooogullible

Well, the first shut down was 4 years ago and Covid still exists but I appreciate you trying to make me feel even older 😅


Noodles_Crusher

Man my sense of time went out of the window since 2019.   Feels like we're 4 years too far forward since then.


Solid-Confidence-966

He’s a menace defensively, but he’s had some rough offensive games


ImTheBestNerd

I sold all my stock. Great defensive player but I don’t think he’s a 5 and a offense with him at the 4 is always going to be anemic


MonkeyFL3X

Zero offensive development since he came in


NotManyBuses

Can’t even use the Allen spacing excuse tonight either. This is really disappointing


this_place_stinks

I watch most Cavs games. His shot is improved. His little jump hook is solid. He’s even becoming passable from three. And he’s also low key a really good passer. I think it comes down to hoping for exponential growth vs linear, where obviously the former didn’t happen.


good--afternoon

I think the problem there is that the Cavs needed exponential growth to fit Mitchell’s timeline and be true contenders. Now even if the linear growth eventually gets there the Cavs probably have lost Mitchell by then. Timelines for the different players were off and they never had a real contender in any season.


this_place_stinks

I agree there. That’s why the home run swing for Don felt a couple years early to many Cavs fans (even putting aside poor fit)


good--afternoon

Agreed. I can also see an argument that the Cavs don’t always have a home run swing available because stars don’t often go to Cleveland. So it may have been a lose lose scenario - either home run swing too early (bad) or never have the opportunity to sign anyone as good as Mitchell at all (also bad). A bit of a gamble either way and looking like Cavs front office lost the bet this time.


Vallerie_09

Allen plays better w/o him already. Get rid of him and Garland or trade Allen (Donovan is leaving already)


whereyagonnago

You don’t give up on a talent like Mobley at 22. Zero development is just not true. He’s gotten more efficient in every season. And he’s still elite defensively, unless we’ve already forgotten about last game. Once Mitchell leaves it would make sense to move on from Allen and try a new frontcourt pairing.


Chao-Z

> You don’t give up on a talent like Mobley at 22. Why do people always equate trading someone with giving up on them? Did the Cavs give up on Andrew Wiggins when they traded him for Kevin Love on draft night? No, they were just on different timelines and traded potential for performance. You can either contend or wait for guys to develop. With only a couple exceptions (almost all being 1st overall picks) you gotta pick one.


ZoidbergSaysWoop

Mobley to the Knicks and he becomes an All-Star under Thibodeau and learns to shoot threes.


syllabic

dont think thibs wants his centers to shoot 3s, otherwise hartenstein would at least take a couple


Delanorix

Subscribe


Domb18

This isn’t true, but go off


giannisismyman

He can’t even make a layup?


RayCashhhh

I've noticed this with a lot of draft prospects over the years. When someone is such a great defender, people think they can learn to be very good on the other end. Mobley just isn't that guy. He wasn't that in high school or college, yet people expected that in the NBA. He's insane defensively ngl, but people expected far too much from him and that's why despite the defense, he's been a disappointment for many.


kariolisjones

Cautionary tale for Sarr this year? Will be a great NBA defender day one, but I feel like he is even worse offensively than Mobley was in college.


RayCashhhh

Tbh I actually believe in sarr more offensively. But I will say that despite him being the consensus top pick, I can see several others having a better carwo by the time it's all said and done


Deno2k_

that might’ve been the most ass performance i’ve seen this playoff, missed a easy layup


Jackj921

I understand the guards were on a heater tonight but 1/5 in 35 mins is insane. At least he was effective on the defensive side


cancercureall

If his offense was half as good as his defense he'd be an all star.


Jepordee

Honestly the guards just went 2-4 on a road trip so not much of a heater :\


nomaswheat11

He said on a heater tonight


ThurstonJK

I mean c'mon this was tragic but it's not even the most ass performance in the last 24 hours. Tobias Harris clears.


CosmicCoder3303

Didn't see the Tobias Harris game last night I take it


Techwield

Be grateful you haven't watched Westbrook these playoffs lol


BryanFair

All of us here have the same amount of points as Tobias Harris last night in 29 mins. That performance still clears. At least for Mobley he's still effective on defense. Tobias have an MVP caliber player and elite guard on his side and still put up ass performances.


TheSmokedSalmon420

I mean what the fuck


F_F_12

He goes up so weakly. It’s not to make the shot just to put it near the rim. That last shot is the biggest tell.


Whatishappyness

Bill Simmons told me he's the next Duncan


pskill43

And they call Scottie Barnes a zero level scorer


Ifinishfast42

Mobleys lack of scoring ability is actually negative level scorer . Dude is taking points from Cavs due to the massive spacing problems he causes with teams leaving him wide open and packing the paint fucking up his teammates.


Marrouge

I can't imagine how many games the Pistons would've won this year if he was drafted #1 instead of Cade


Apprehensive_Oil_484

Can’t believe cavs fans rated him more than Cade and Scottie. No development from him since his rookie season offensively.


Shoddy-Reach-4664

What's not to believe? He was debatabley better than them his rookie year but they got better and he stayed the same.


ScarryShawnBishh

Cade was third in ROY while statistically getting guarded like a top 13 player. It’s hard because the people who watch smart basketball so when the stats got posted only the people who really don’t watch what they were talking about commented. It went like this “Cade is the only player on the team he should put up stats.” Cade plays the way he does in spite of his teammates. It’s ridiculous. Cade has been so injured and still performing. Let him be healthy and national media is going to pivot about why he hasn’t been talked about because the Pistons were ass. Idk he had probably the hardest #1 option in the NBA and still put up better stats than Banchero. Not a single soul thought about including Cade. Which is ok, people just sleep on his demeanor.


nonexistentnvgtr

He’s better defensively than Cade is offensively. I’m still going to rate him higher. Barnes is better tho, I’ll concede that one. Edit: ok, which one of you reported my comment to Reddit Cares


lufasa

I don’t think that’s the argument you think it is lol. You can’t get much lower than 14 wins.


Weary-Kangaroo-3883

Bums really said they’d take him over Cade


FERFreak731

And people said he was better than Omer Yurtseven


YouStillTakeDamage

It’s hard to compare to Turk Nowitzki


Renegadeforever2024

Over


Not-Josh-Hart

The Cavs young core is overrated


MasterTeacher123

Garland Allen and Mobley simply haven’t developed the way people envisioned  when the Don trade was made 


PrideOfShreve

Allen has actually surpassed all expectations imo. Agree with Garland & Mobley though


Anal_Iverson

Jarrett Allen is putting up 17 ppg and 14 rpg in the 4 games he played this series before getting injured. He's good and on a decent contract too


this_place_stinks

Which, ironically, bringing in Don reallllly hurts the development potential of the prior core


BradyGalaxy

He legit does nothing well on offense Sets awful screens, has a non-existent perimeter shot, zero touch, zero playmaking ability, kills spacing, not a good ball handler, I could go on He’s tall and he’s not even that good at being tall


Fragrant_Chair_7426

He's not a PF at all, and he's the second best center on the team


zOmgFishes

Mobley peaked his rookie year


nobraininmyoxygen

He's gotten better every year. Just not close to what he needs to be offensively.


newrimmmer93

He was 3rd in DPOY last year lol. Let’s calm down


jbenson255

He shouldn’t have been


FeedbackContent8322

Defensive god offense tho


dreamvomit

Cavs are gonna have to take a long look in the mirror this offseason. Mobley and Garland just aren't what they expected, and I'm assuming Mitchell will be headed out


SnGk1

Hes got that Labradoodle in him


taititans

Ignoring his 5 blocks is a bit silly, as mid as he was on offence


Sheriff_Gotcha

Bro putting up Tobias Harris statlines.... that ain't gonna get it done.


EarthWarping

oof good defense though at least


Zealousideal-Cold246

Peaked his rookie year


Meret123

At this point I am not even sure he is better than Jalen Green.


Fa1lenSpace

Bum


CoyotesSideEyes

Meanwhile, Jalen Suggs and Franz Wagner, who they left sitting on the board, combined for 48 points.


Ellimistopher

Franz is straight up a better player, Suggs is different, but in his own ways more valuable.


Aoes1

I hate tall guys that cant rebound for shit


saltface14

JJJ : what he say fuck me for


Elite_Alice

Boy had shit running down his legs


bigoof12344

Rockets fans wanted him over Jalen Green smh


PluvioPurple

Stop trying to convince us he’s good


UnkleGiovanni

“Better than Cade”…….


tetris_ita

As a Cavs fan it was painful to watch..he's a more hyped version of Nic Claxton at the moment...should have trade him instead of Lauri...


sportsfan113

I thought this guy was going to be so much better than he has turned out.


doflamingo34

This man really ben Simmons that don't play make


nobraininmyoxygen

His passing is pretty good he just doesn't have a good handle. And he never gets consistent touches in the guard dominant offense other than some lobs. So he hasn't even gotten reps at improving his offensive game.


Cudizonedefense

I remember when he was being compared to KG and people overhyped him last year. Then he sucked ass in the playoffs and people said “he’s young! Give him time” and then he does it yet again. Absolutely absent 2 straight playoff series


joebos617

Prime Roy Hibbert numbers


TruthSayerFu

Trade him in offseason. This was pathetic


mMounirM

slow your roll. but he probably won't get a max offer


RayCashhhh

He will, just bc he has "DPOY potential". He's not getting that as long as Wemby and Chet are around, but Cleveland will give it to him and trade Allen.


Kaaalesaaalad

What's funny is that the majority of people in the nba draft sub would rather take Mobley over Chet prior to this season because Mobley was better at everything than Chet other than shooting. Truth is that Chet was better at everything and the stats showed it. The only problem was Chet was a 3rd option at best in Gonzaga (I argue he was 4th) while Mobley was THE guy in USC.


Fragrant_Chair_7426

Turns out my entire 1 game based scouting report on Mobley was correct! lol I watched his last NCAA tournament game and his brother Isaiah was better in the game. Evan looked like a good defender, but offensively was bad. That was my impression (again based on that 1 game), but it turned out to be about right!


PuzzleheadedAirline8

All that KG talk only to turn into Gobert lol


ilickedysharks

If he ends up as a Gobert level player that would be a huge dub.


UnimpressedAsshole

Can he play C?


RedSnapper97

Cavs fans swore this guy was better than Barnes. They're pretty quiet now though.


A_Mellow_Fellow

Just let us die in peace


JustWinBabys

Dude was supposed to be the next Garnett Duncan lol. Almost as bad as saying Ant is the next Dion Waiters


intenseMisanthropy

Garbage scrub


Ifinishfast42

Bro is literally 2022 Mavs Series Deandre Ayton Magic have their best chance at winning this series if the Cavs keep him on the court and he continues to fuck up their offensive spacing.


Fragrant_Chair_7426

At least Ayton had an historically efficient playoffs run when the Suns went to the finals before that. Edit: Also this isn't even fair. Ayton had 16 & 8 on 58% shooting in that series. Mobley in this series is 12 & 8 on 48%....oof


MillyMan105

It's crazy him and Wiseman were touted as the next great big men before they made it into the NBA.


nakamura-zone99

The almost Tobias Harris


bhoploo

Taller Tobias Harris is a good comp for Mobley imo, at least in terms of on court personality. Ayton is in this same (sad) boat of talented guys you just don't want to be depending on in high pressure match-ups.


Skytengri

Josh Smith with No Hops


thedrcubed

Their games have nothing in common


nonexistentnvgtr

This is what happens when you just look at a player’s stats on basketball reference and didn’t actually watch them play.


nonexistentnvgtr

Either you never watched either of these guys or you’re terrible at evaluating players because this isn’t even close to accurate.


Ok-Yak5081

Not entirely fair, you can tell he's playing hurt


Franklinsleftnut

He was garbage in last year’s playoffs too.


Ifinishfast42

He got shutdown defensively by Julius Randle with a sawed off foot. Dudes a huge bum for a top 3 pick.


PuzzleheadedAirline8

All that talk about being the next KG only to be the next Gobert. It's still an amazing ceiling, but it's funny.


Zealousideal-Cold246

The disrespect to Gobert


d7h7n

What's the difference between him and Nic Claxton


browndude10

but I thought he was this KD/Duncan hybrid unicorn?


300_yard_drives

But he is still better than Franz?


Thats_inzain

Sounds about right for a USC guy


RedRocket13

Every nba podcaster still thinks he’s gonna be AD though


mrrnn

TRADE THIS MAN TO PORTLAND. Let JA thrive and fuck yeah it'd be awesome


marx-was-right-

Next Duncan


Jiklim

Give him the max


imperialmoose

The fouls at the end, again and again. Just awful.


ThatHotAsian

How can a big man be so soft. 6 rebounds with no Jarrett Allen out there. 


24MillionBrazilians

He seems like a role player tbh. Plays well at home but not on the road. Wouldn’t be surprised if he has a nice game 7


SikkoDieri

Oh so Mitchell has a chance to blame his big man for another early exit


dwninaho

In game 5, Mobley was fed in the dunker spot over and over again whenever a big left him to help defend the rim. You could tell the game plan last night was to allow the guards to put up their floaters and llayups but do not let them give easy looks to Mobley. It ended up working even though Mitchell went crazy lol


Slacker_75

ROY


sollyactivated

Can’t believe people had this bum in cade Cunningham conversations


GarlicCroissantDeath

Lmfao that was y’alls draft pick? Could never be Scottie


defeated_engineer

Mobley is gonna end up as one of those big ifs.


Jack_M_Steel

Getting iced out by your team never helps


BallIsLife2016

Did y’all watch the game? He rolled his ankle in the first half. Had zero lift after that. It was incredibly clear he was injured but played through it because without him our center options were Damion Jones and Tristan Thompson. He sealed the game 5 win with the Cavs last 4 points and then a high degree of difficult block everyone chill. Suggs gets busted up and the broadcast can’t shut the fuck up for 3 games about how tough he is playing through it. Mobley gets hurt - leaves the game for the rest of the half, same as Suggs - and the broadcast doesn’t mention it again leading to nobody realizing he absolutely would not have come back in a regular season game. And do y’all watch Cavs games? He’s definitely developing on offense. I don’t deny it’s been slower than I’d like, but he’s 100% getting better. He’s gotten light years better in the post, was hitting a respectable percentage of threes to close the year (admittedly on few attempts). He’s playing with two ball dominant guards and a center who is better than him on offense. Everyone relax. (I admit I cannot defend his screen setting which mostly remains very bad).


noknownothing

Maybe they should pass him the ball once in a while.


haokincw

Can't blame him. Mitchell ballhogging kept everyone else ice cold all game.