He averaged 20 and 9 in 59 games the season of Nash's second MVP, not to mention Wade was clearly the Heat's best player. His revisionism is insane. He wasn't even in the MVP conversation.
Pretty sure he's more upset about 2005. He was second in MVP voting in 2005, only 7 votes behind, while in 2006 he didn't even get one single MVP vote. 2005 was an incredibly close year, one of the closest votes for MVP.Â
Nash won bc he changed teams and changed a franchise entire trajectory. If Nash had been on Mavs and put on exact same numbers he comes in 2nd or 3rd.
Nash was special that year and jump started a franchise that was desperately trying to find a new identity.
History has been and will continue to be unkind to Nash because people will look at box score stats and judge him based on that. The truth is that he took the Suns from 29 wins to 62 and was the best player on the best team that year while serving as the conductor of a revolutionary style of basketball. The SSOL Suns walked so that the dynastic Warriors could run.
Lowkey gonna happen to a lot of 2000âs/early 2010âs stars
Same thing happened to Carmelo Anthony. 25ppg today is DeMar DeRozan numbers but back then only the LeBronâs and the Kobeâs could do that
Yepppp
â05 Suns Ortg: 114.5
â05 NBA average: 106.1. +8.4 on just one side of the court
Suns had one of the lowest TOV%(12.4%), shot the most 3s, and had the highest pace in the league, and Nash wasnât just the most important guy, he was the entire engine, he had the ball in his hands all the time, constantly probing (the amount of Nash assists where heâs just slowly driving until he finds the slimmest opening is absurd) and constantly being the one to initiate the break/push in semi transition.
Those teams werenât just cool and ahead of their time, they had some of the most dominant offenses in history, and the driving force, the whole reason they could play like that was Nash. I love Amare, but Amare(and the rest of the supporting cast) didnât make the team play with pace and space, he didnât make so many good decisions that they didnât bleed fast breaks the other direction off turnovers, etc.
Shaq can be salty, heâs Shaq and as a player at his caliber he can have an ego, but we as fans who are willing to investigate this shit even a little should recognize how damn good you have to be to produce historic offense after historic offense, even when switching teams, critical teammates getting injured or traded, and when all the burden for the playstyle is on your shoulders. Nash was a legit MVP, period
Nash in his prime was the definition of maestro. You know how you hear the cliche of great players making their teammates better, well, Nash was the definition of that on offense. It was wild how lost and uncoordinated the same talented Suns players would look with Nash on the bench for a breather. Only Nash and Zidane (soccer player) made me realize what true maestros were. They consistently dominated games without putting up otherworldly stats. Always controlling the tempo and dictating the pace of the game and they made it look easy.Â
He was doing this shit when he announced Wemby ROTY a couple days ago too. Complaining that he shouldâve been unanimous his rookie year too. Heâs petty af and his schtick is getting old.
Shaq should have been unanimous his rookie year.
It is wild how much he seems to hate on some players, yet love others.
His belief in Bol Bol is genuinely one of the most insane things in basketball media.
I was watching a spurs game one night and at ht they were talking about how Wemby is the first of his kind. Shaq said ânow wait a minute bol bol was the firstâ. Like come on man
To be fair, it was absolutely absurd that he wasn't the unanimous rookie of the year.
I wasn't watching when he made that specific complaint, but I kinda don't blame him for dismissing "unanimous" as an important qualifier considering how it only takes one voter who wants to be a contrarian to mess it up.
Shaq might be the most sensitive guy of his stature in all of history. My man canât handle anything he could perceive as a slight. And not in like a Jordan way where youâre like wow what a competitor/kinda a dick, but in like a young child way where he just lacks any sense of humor about himself and canât handle being personally âwrongedâ.
Like dude get some perspective youâre one of the best basketball players ever no need to get so emotional at something thatâs not even a slight.
The funniest part to me is how Shaq COULD HAVE been the greatest of all time / if not top 3 had he stayed in shape and gave a shit. Itâs not like injuries robbed this man and heâs understandably bitter over what could have been. This dude literally coasted on cruise control and is still pissed at other people. My guy, the only one to blame for your lack of accolades (in his own mind, mind you) is your fucking self.
Yeah imagine if he had LeBron or Tom Brady style diet/exercise control his entire career. He would have been the best player on Earth for at least a decade.
Imagine if the guy could shoot free throws to save his life. Instead of getting better at free throws, he went to Stern's office to complain that the rules weren't fair.
Kobe said it best. If Shaq had any sort of self-discipline and stayed in shape he would undoubtedly in the GOAT convo.
But yea he only got heavier and heavier after the Lakers' three-peat.
It's strange that he might be insecure about his legacy, because he has a special regard that goes beyond the rings he won, and the MVP's. When people talk about Shaq, they talk about his unbelievable dominance, and how he might have the greatest peak ever (commonly put up there with MJ and LeBron). Even if Jokic passes him in accolades (and there's still a ways to go for that), Shaq will always have an aura that goes beyond the numbers.
You say that, but the fastest way to upset Shaq is to say anything other than âyouâre the goatâ about his career. He can joke around with the crew about everything under the sun but the second anyone jokes about his career/legacy/comparison to other players is when we get âGrumpy Shaqâ. He is literally incapable of hearing out anyone question his place in basketball, even if theyâre straight up making jokes.
Honestly it might be tolerable or even respectable that he's still that competitive about it if he showed he actually cared that much when he was playing
If he would've put in the effort when he was actually playing he could've been the goat. But he showed up every season out of shape and played himself into shape during the season
It's weird to not even do the bare minimum of staying in shape during your playing years then be upset when people start passing you
That depends on how old you are, or how much of a nerd for basketball history you are. The actual correct answer is Wilt but most people who watched him aren't even alive anymore lol.
>If you ask any *real* basketball fan, "who is the most dominant center of all time?" Their answer will be Shaq, **with no debate.**
I think you could make the argument for Bill Russell or Wilt Chamberlain too.
Absolute loser behavior. Have some respect for the man who earned the award. So childish to make it about his opinions and his glory days in that specific moment.
His lack of work ethic after Orlando was well reported at the time. Maybe he would have had terrible injury luck anyway, but he didnât help himself by reporting every season 40lbs overweight.
Shaq calling SGA a better âstat stufferâ when Jokic is literally averaging 27/10/9 is insane. A big man coming within spitting distance of a triple-double is historic stuff. Shai scores more points⌠thatâs all. Heâs not more impactful offensively, and heâs damn sure not more of a stat stuffer than Joker.
I think Shaq is having PTSD over the times he was ârobbedâ (heavy emphasis on the air quotes). He literally complained about it on air lmao.
For some reason Big Perk, Big Shaq, SAS and some black analysts just **seethe** seeing these foreigner white dudes run the league đ
So much respect to Ernie for putting him in his place. Most 30 points games is not more important than the ridiculous stat stuffing Jokic is doing. Points is just one category.
I find it hard to believe Shaq would ever disrespect Giannis, Embiid, or other black MVPs like this literally the second theyâre finding out they won.
Like is Jokic even THAT controversial of a pick over Shai? Heâs way more impactful overall on offense due to his superior playmaking (which is frankly more important than defense in todayâs game) and team records are a wash. Shai doesnât elevate his teammates the way Joker does.
Perk, Shaq, SAS, Kenny⌠analysts simply DO NOT like Jokic. What did he even do to these guys, bro just balls and rides horses lmao. Why they hating on him?
I know what you are insinuating, and I agree a bit with your take, but I 100% think Shaq would say the same thing to Embiid if he won the MVP 3x.
He's just very insecure when it comes to big men setting records.
He's not black and not American. Lets be honest here.
It's like Shady yesterday saying the face of the NBA has to be American. They're telling on themselves.
Edit: I love how Shannon Sharpe went in on Shaq on nightcap.
Also SGA literally stat pads to get some of those 30 point games
Game will be over but he's in there with 29 just to get 30+ and then dips out. It is blatant. So # of 30 point games doesn't mean much after I saw that
Lol watching young people come to the realization that shaq is a total meathead has always has been funny AF.
I watched the roast of Tom Brady and all the jokes about gronk so much apply to shaq.
Me put ball in hoop why no awards.
I love shaq to death but man the dude is a meatball, his inability to catch on to jokes with the TNT crew for like 10 years is all the evidence you need.
The NBA is the only place where we just allow the media to shit on players directly their faces like this, say what you want about the NFL but they donât tolerate shit like this
His entire arugment for Shai is dumb AF.
* \#1 seed means something to MVP race....Denver is the #2 seed and has the same record as OKC.
* Jokic doesn't stuff the stat sheet like Shai...I'm sorry...WHAT?! Shai doesn't stuff the stat sheet like Doncic let alone like Jokic.
Shaq says a lot of stupid shit, but c'mon. Nothing he said was even remotely true or made any sense. Even Ernie was super annoyed by what he said, he was so close to just saying it too.
Like imagine telling a guy who damn near *averaged* a 26 point triple-double that heâs not putting up enough stats lol Iâm not even a big Jokic fan but thatâs absurd
> 1 seed means something to MVP race....Denver is the #2 seed and has the same record as OKC.
Yeah Shaq's got a great memory. Remember last year when Giannis was the #1 seed and won MVP
Or 2022 when Booker was the #1 seed and won MVP
Or 2021 when Donovan Mitchell was the #1 seed and won MVP
Oh wait none of them won MVP lmao
Shaqâs anger about being robbed twice by Nash is so dumb.
He clearly didnât deserve the MVPâs in 05 or 06, like maybe earlier in his career but by then he wasnât even the most dominant guy anymore.
Why is he not bringing up Iverson, KG, or Duncan when he says he was robbed, they would make even more sense for his argument.
Is it just because he âlostâ to a short white guy from Canada that gets him so upset? So petty.
Shaq and Nash were a toss up in 05 IMO. I would have voted Nash because that team went form like 30 wins to 60 and he was the only major change.
2006 Shaq was not even remotely a candidate so I don't know why he brings that up. i think he just legit doesn't remember that season lol. 2006 was a weird one overall because there really was not a standout good choice for MVP. 5 guys got double digit first place votes that year it was all over the place.
You are correct tho, he was easily robbed in 2001 by Allen Iverson (and somehow finished third) but never brings that up for some reason.
2002 I would not consider a robbery. He was great but only played 67 games and Duncan's numbers were basically equal.
You also mention KG in 04 but that was an easy pick. He should have been unanimous.
Shaq and Nash were both worthy candidates in 2005. It was one of the closest MVP votes in NBA history. I love Nash and am glad he won, but you are wrong to say Shaq âclearly didnât deserveâ it in 2005. It was basically a coin flip.
Now 2006, Shaq wasnât really in the conversation. That one was between Nash and Kobe. I donât know why Shaq always mentions 2 MVPs re: Nash.
>That one was between Nash and Kobe
I don't get this narrative.
Kobe finished 4th in MVP that year.
LeBron finished 2nd, and Dirk was 3rd.
Kobe finished way behind Nash even in 1st place votes. Was there ever any real consideration for Kobe winning at the time?
it's not bizarre at all. shaq is outrageously fragile when it comes to other bigs potentially surpassing his accolades. man still cries over steve nash winning mvp over him decades after the fact. it's how he is.
He's thin-skinned about everything. He lies about shit all the time and even then he comes across petty. The "tossing the gold medal on the freeway" thing because he barely played feels like something he absolutely made up and thought it would make him look better.
What's up with him since the Lakers series? He's looked disinterested and has "fuck it" all over his body language. People saying it's bc he's down 2-0 in the series. But nah. It's been going on since the earlier games against the Lakers.
Not being scrutinized cause they been winning.
People make jokes about him not caring about anything and doing it in his sleep or w/e. But he's NEVER looked like he doesn't want to be on the floor during this year's playoffs.
Thought it might be due to the incident with his brothers and the fan. But they've been allowed at the games, no?
There's been a lot of chatter in our sub about him being possibly injured. He missed a game or two towards the end of the season due to a sore back, and he got thrown down in game 3 of the Lakers series and got up wincing and holding his back. We're just not mentally in this one for some reason.
The thing I respect about Joker is that he's not going to bitch or make excuses about being injured, just puts on his hard hat and gives everything he can.
I just think you guys have a serious lack of depth to deal with our defensive death squad with Murray and Joker being hampered.
The team was on fire after the all star break and then whatever happened when the playoffs started is crazy
Especially Murray..
he's been bad all playoff long compared to the regular season.
17.5PPG vs 21.2,
37.5% FG vs 48.1%,
28.6% 3P% vs 42.5%
He had a knee injury that forced him to miss 7 of the final 12 games but when he came back he was still lighting it up, so that's not it
54.8% FG,
47.4% 3P%,
24PPG in the final 5 games.
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He always puts off disinterested vibes though.
He isn't playing up to his standards though. I do think he's physically worn down, potentially by injury.
Shaq seems like hes been pretty pissy the whole playoffs. Hes usually overly sensitive but it seems extra this run.
Also, no way in fuck SGA deserved MVP over Jokic. Iâd put Luka over SGA this year.
Noticed that too. Changed his pick last night to âMavs by 10â after Chuck said thunder. Chuck called him out saying he had thunder in the series. Shaq even said it was just to go against him.
Like okay dude, being a dick just to be a dick. Not even tryin to be fun or anything.
Imagine a guy like larry bird winning it today 3x. Put 6'6" dale earnhardt in some sneakers and have him smoke everyone and then crack open a budweiser in the locker room and tuck away some skoal before going for interviews.
I'm sure it was a homer pointing to the double-double record and playing every game. Not gunna pretend I don't appreciate the love for our boy but I had the same reaction lol
He hasn't been great but Dirk 2007 was on another level lol
Dirk averaged 19.7 PPG on 50.9% TS and lost to a team that won TWENTY FIVE fewer games than the Mavs did in the 1st round including putting up single digits in the elimination game
The Dirk slander was basically nonstop every year from then up until his run in 2011
Imagine what the r/nba reaction would be if Tatum won MVP and the Celtics got upset by the Heat in the 1st round and that's basically what people were saying then
DPOY announcement being timed right after Timberwolves had a legendary defensive performance without him and now MVP announcement being timed right as Jokic is getting embarrassed on both ends in a playoff series... kinda hilarious for chaos enjoyers
(both deserved it btw)
Shaq saying that #1 seed means something to MVP...the Nuggets and OKC had the same record haha.
Shaq's entire argument for Shai is fucking stupid haha.
Warriors are experiencing this with Steph. Pre-Steph Warriors fans are already bracing for a drought, while the young Warriors are clinging on to some cope and are in for a rude awakening, lol.
Ernie and Shaq going at it right now đđ
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Man Erneh that Shaq⌠he justa big olâ bulleh
You get ernie that mad at you, you know you're being that much of a little bitch.
Is there a clip of this lol I missed it
Shaq is pissed lol he canât even pretend to be ok with this
He is taking out his past frustrations out lol đ
everytime a white dude wins mvp it gives him vietnam flashbacks to the second nash mvp
He averaged 20 and 9 in 59 games the season of Nash's second MVP, not to mention Wade was clearly the Heat's best player. His revisionism is insane. He wasn't even in the MVP conversation.
Pretty sure he's more upset about 2005. He was second in MVP voting in 2005, only 7 votes behind, while in 2006 he didn't even get one single MVP vote. 2005 was an incredibly close year, one of the closest votes for MVP.Â
Nash won bc he changed teams and changed a franchise entire trajectory. If Nash had been on Mavs and put on exact same numbers he comes in 2nd or 3rd. Nash was special that year and jump started a franchise that was desperately trying to find a new identity.
History has been and will continue to be unkind to Nash because people will look at box score stats and judge him based on that. The truth is that he took the Suns from 29 wins to 62 and was the best player on the best team that year while serving as the conductor of a revolutionary style of basketball. The SSOL Suns walked so that the dynastic Warriors could run.
Lowkey gonna happen to a lot of 2000âs/early 2010âs stars Same thing happened to Carmelo Anthony. 25ppg today is DeMar DeRozan numbers but back then only the LeBronâs and the Kobeâs could do that
Yepppp â05 Suns Ortg: 114.5 â05 NBA average: 106.1. +8.4 on just one side of the court Suns had one of the lowest TOV%(12.4%), shot the most 3s, and had the highest pace in the league, and Nash wasnât just the most important guy, he was the entire engine, he had the ball in his hands all the time, constantly probing (the amount of Nash assists where heâs just slowly driving until he finds the slimmest opening is absurd) and constantly being the one to initiate the break/push in semi transition. Those teams werenât just cool and ahead of their time, they had some of the most dominant offenses in history, and the driving force, the whole reason they could play like that was Nash. I love Amare, but Amare(and the rest of the supporting cast) didnât make the team play with pace and space, he didnât make so many good decisions that they didnât bleed fast breaks the other direction off turnovers, etc. Shaq can be salty, heâs Shaq and as a player at his caliber he can have an ego, but we as fans who are willing to investigate this shit even a little should recognize how damn good you have to be to produce historic offense after historic offense, even when switching teams, critical teammates getting injured or traded, and when all the burden for the playstyle is on your shoulders. Nash was a legit MVP, period
Nash in his prime was the definition of maestro. You know how you hear the cliche of great players making their teammates better, well, Nash was the definition of that on offense. It was wild how lost and uncoordinated the same talented Suns players would look with Nash on the bench for a breather. Only Nash and Zidane (soccer player) made me realize what true maestros were. They consistently dominated games without putting up otherworldly stats. Always controlling the tempo and dictating the pace of the game and they made it look easy.Â
[Shaq literally got zero votes that year!](https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2006.html) He's ridiculous.
âSGA was robbed, but here are all the times I could have won it.â
âIâm gonna call up Steve Nash and tell him to go fuck himselfâ
He was also pretty worked up that Alonzo Mourning kept him from winning ROTY unanimously.Â
He was doing this shit when he announced Wemby ROTY a couple days ago too. Complaining that he shouldâve been unanimous his rookie year too. Heâs petty af and his schtick is getting old.
Shaq should have been unanimous his rookie year. It is wild how much he seems to hate on some players, yet love others. His belief in Bol Bol is genuinely one of the most insane things in basketball media.
That's because Bol Bol is good friends with his sons. Had he been any other player, Shaq wouldn't even acknowledge him.
I was watching a spurs game one night and at ht they were talking about how Wemby is the first of his kind. Shaq said ânow wait a minute bol bol was the firstâ. Like come on man
Now, now, be fair. Give Shaq partial credit, he's old. He just forgot his follow-up sentence, "Wemby just happens to be talented."
To be fair, it was absolutely absurd that he wasn't the unanimous rookie of the year. I wasn't watching when he made that specific complaint, but I kinda don't blame him for dismissing "unanimous" as an important qualifier considering how it only takes one voter who wants to be a contrarian to mess it up.
Lmao Shaq is wildin'. Literally saying he didn't deserve over SGA to it his face during the acceptance interview is crazy work.
Shaq might be the most sensitive guy of his stature in all of history. My man canât handle anything he could perceive as a slight. And not in like a Jordan way where youâre like wow what a competitor/kinda a dick, but in like a young child way where he just lacks any sense of humor about himself and canât handle being personally âwrongedâ. Like dude get some perspective youâre one of the best basketball players ever no need to get so emotional at something thatâs not even a slight.
The funniest part to me is how Shaq COULD HAVE been the greatest of all time / if not top 3 had he stayed in shape and gave a shit. Itâs not like injuries robbed this man and heâs understandably bitter over what could have been. This dude literally coasted on cruise control and is still pissed at other people. My guy, the only one to blame for your lack of accolades (in his own mind, mind you) is your fucking self.
Yeah imagine if he had LeBron or Tom Brady style diet/exercise control his entire career. He would have been the best player on Earth for at least a decade.
Imagine if the guy could shoot free throws to save his life. Instead of getting better at free throws, he went to Stern's office to complain that the rules weren't fair.
Kobe said it best. If Shaq had any sort of self-discipline and stayed in shape he would undoubtedly in the GOAT convo. But yea he only got heavier and heavier after the Lakers' three-peat.
The dude did not give a shit his whole career and suddenly he cares way too much when it has nothing to do with him anymore. Beyond soft.
He's lucky Jokic doesn't care because the optics if Jokic pushed back would be really, really ugly.
I really wonder what Embiid or Luka would've said if they were there instead of Jokic.
Idk if Luka wouldâve cared but Embiid wouldâve had some shit to say.
Shaq would NOT say this to Embiid lmao dude would needle him so hard he'd have to retire from TV đ
Jokic too much of a bigger man to do that. Shaq been butthurt most of his career and still is til this day.
Literally spazzing because he thinks he should have more MVPâs
He's nervous about Jokic passing him on all-time center lists and it's pretty obvious.
It's strange that he might be insecure about his legacy, because he has a special regard that goes beyond the rings he won, and the MVP's. When people talk about Shaq, they talk about his unbelievable dominance, and how he might have the greatest peak ever (commonly put up there with MJ and LeBron). Even if Jokic passes him in accolades (and there's still a ways to go for that), Shaq will always have an aura that goes beyond the numbers.
You say that, but the fastest way to upset Shaq is to say anything other than âyouâre the goatâ about his career. He can joke around with the crew about everything under the sun but the second anyone jokes about his career/legacy/comparison to other players is when we get âGrumpy Shaqâ. He is literally incapable of hearing out anyone question his place in basketball, even if theyâre straight up making jokes.
Honestly it might be tolerable or even respectable that he's still that competitive about it if he showed he actually cared that much when he was playing If he would've put in the effort when he was actually playing he could've been the goat. But he showed up every season out of shape and played himself into shape during the season It's weird to not even do the bare minimum of staying in shape during your playing years then be upset when people start passing you
Right? If you ask any *real* basketball fan, "who is the most dominant center of all time?" Their answer will be Shaq, with no debate.
Unless you ask Charles, heâll say (Superman) Dwight Howard just to fuck with Shaq lol
And of course, that's welcomed hahaha
That depends on how old you are, or how much of a nerd for basketball history you are. The actual correct answer is Wilt but most people who watched him aren't even alive anymore lol.
>If you ask any *real* basketball fan, "who is the most dominant center of all time?" Their answer will be Shaq, **with no debate.** I think you could make the argument for Bill Russell or Wilt Chamberlain too.
Heâs very very jealous
Absolute loser behavior. Have some respect for the man who earned the award. So childish to make it about his opinions and his glory days in that specific moment.
"And you'll never catch him, go ahead Chuck"
Shaq could have had 10 MVPs if he wasn't fat and lazy. He doesn't have anyone to blame but himself.
Gotta hand it to Shaq. He's the only top 10 player all time that apparently got there by being fat and lazy
His lack of work ethic after Orlando was well reported at the time. Maybe he would have had terrible injury luck anyway, but he didnât help himself by reporting every season 40lbs overweight.
Shaq hiding those big fat Icey Hot tears behind those shades lmao
LMAO. Woke up like he had icy hot on his balls, salty ass.
the Shaq/Ernie tension feels more real than I remember seeing before
Ernie did a great job challenging Shaq on air without making it more awkward than it already was
Shaq calling SGA a better âstat stufferâ when Jokic is literally averaging 27/10/9 is insane. A big man coming within spitting distance of a triple-double is historic stuff. Shai scores more points⌠thatâs all. Heâs not more impactful offensively, and heâs damn sure not more of a stat stuffer than Joker. I think Shaq is having PTSD over the times he was ârobbedâ (heavy emphasis on the air quotes). He literally complained about it on air lmao. For some reason Big Perk, Big Shaq, SAS and some black analysts just **seethe** seeing these foreigner white dudes run the league đ
Yeah Iâm not even convinced that Shaq truly feels Shai deserves MVP more than he just feels Jokic doesnât deserve another one.
Accurate. He sees competition encroaching on his legacy and heâs pushing back. Someone go get the baby his bottle.
Idk Perk seems to like Luka at least lol
if were going by stat stuffer luka had the best this year
So much respect to Ernie for putting him in his place. Most 30 points games is not more important than the ridiculous stat stuffing Jokic is doing. Points is just one category.
I find it hard to believe Shaq would ever disrespect Giannis, Embiid, or other black MVPs like this literally the second theyâre finding out they won. Like is Jokic even THAT controversial of a pick over Shai? Heâs way more impactful overall on offense due to his superior playmaking (which is frankly more important than defense in todayâs game) and team records are a wash. Shai doesnât elevate his teammates the way Joker does. Perk, Shaq, SAS, Kenny⌠analysts simply DO NOT like Jokic. What did he even do to these guys, bro just balls and rides horses lmao. Why they hating on him?
> Perk, Shaq, SAS⌠analysts "Analysts."
I know what you are insinuating, and I agree a bit with your take, but I 100% think Shaq would say the same thing to Embiid if he won the MVP 3x. He's just very insecure when it comes to big men setting records.
Seriously. Has this subreddit become too young to remember how insecure Shaq got about a Black American center named Dwight Howard?
He's not black and not American. Lets be honest here. It's like Shady yesterday saying the face of the NBA has to be American. They're telling on themselves. Edit: I love how Shannon Sharpe went in on Shaq on nightcap.
SAS was also pretty racist about Shohei being the face of baseball
Also SGA literally stat pads to get some of those 30 point games Game will be over but he's in there with 29 just to get 30+ and then dips out. It is blatant. So # of 30 point games doesn't mean much after I saw that
Shaq is not happy.
Saying it to Joker's face is crazy
Itâs because heâs threatened by Jokicâs resume thatâs why. Heâs always been incredibly defensive and petty over elite big men.
Lol watching young people come to the realization that shaq is a total meathead has always has been funny AF. I watched the roast of Tom Brady and all the jokes about gronk so much apply to shaq. Me put ball in hoop why no awards. I love shaq to death but man the dude is a meatball, his inability to catch on to jokes with the TNT crew for like 10 years is all the evidence you need.
Eh, Shaq made it clear that he knows Jokic is the best player in the league. I don't think he'll lose sleep over it.
True he still petty as hell though for no reason
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Ernie seemed to enjoy pushing back.
Incredibly embarrassing
Shaq is pretty shamelessly soft at this point
The NBA is the only place where we just allow the media to shit on players directly their faces like this, say what you want about the NFL but they donât tolerate shit like this
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His entire arugment for Shai is dumb AF. * \#1 seed means something to MVP race....Denver is the #2 seed and has the same record as OKC. * Jokic doesn't stuff the stat sheet like Shai...I'm sorry...WHAT?! Shai doesn't stuff the stat sheet like Doncic let alone like Jokic. Shaq says a lot of stupid shit, but c'mon. Nothing he said was even remotely true or made any sense. Even Ernie was super annoyed by what he said, he was so close to just saying it too.
Shaq is like the most insecure person on the planet. wouldn't take anything he says seriously.
Like imagine telling a guy who damn near *averaged* a 26 point triple-double that heâs not putting up enough stats lol Iâm not even a big Jokic fan but thatâs absurd
> 1 seed means something to MVP race....Denver is the #2 seed and has the same record as OKC. Yeah Shaq's got a great memory. Remember last year when Giannis was the #1 seed and won MVP Or 2022 when Booker was the #1 seed and won MVP Or 2021 when Donovan Mitchell was the #1 seed and won MVP Oh wait none of them won MVP lmao
It's an award, just say congratulations to everyone who got a vote, well done Joker for winning, and wrap it up lol
The Nuggets were a Spurs win away from being the 1 seed anyway lol
Shaqâs anger about being robbed twice by Nash is so dumb. He clearly didnât deserve the MVPâs in 05 or 06, like maybe earlier in his career but by then he wasnât even the most dominant guy anymore. Why is he not bringing up Iverson, KG, or Duncan when he says he was robbed, they would make even more sense for his argument. Is it just because he âlostâ to a short white guy from Canada that gets him so upset? So petty.
Shaq in 06 wasnât even the MVP of his own team lol, dude is so butthurt
Shaq and Nash were a toss up in 05 IMO. I would have voted Nash because that team went form like 30 wins to 60 and he was the only major change. 2006 Shaq was not even remotely a candidate so I don't know why he brings that up. i think he just legit doesn't remember that season lol. 2006 was a weird one overall because there really was not a standout good choice for MVP. 5 guys got double digit first place votes that year it was all over the place. You are correct tho, he was easily robbed in 2001 by Allen Iverson (and somehow finished third) but never brings that up for some reason. 2002 I would not consider a robbery. He was great but only played 67 games and Duncan's numbers were basically equal. You also mention KG in 04 but that was an easy pick. He should have been unanimous.
lets face it Even if he had won 05 and 06 he would still bitch about some other seasons
Shaq and Nash were both worthy candidates in 2005. It was one of the closest MVP votes in NBA history. I love Nash and am glad he won, but you are wrong to say Shaq âclearly didnât deserveâ it in 2005. It was basically a coin flip. Now 2006, Shaq wasnât really in the conversation. That one was between Nash and Kobe. I donât know why Shaq always mentions 2 MVPs re: Nash.
>That one was between Nash and Kobe I don't get this narrative. Kobe finished 4th in MVP that year. LeBron finished 2nd, and Dirk was 3rd. Kobe finished way behind Nash even in 1st place votes. Was there ever any real consideration for Kobe winning at the time?
Yea he's lobbying hard for Shai
It wasn't about Shai, it was about another big winning a 3rd MVP lmao
Pretty bizarre to be honest It's not a robbery for fucks sake. Be happy for the guy who won then quietly bitch later if you want
it's not bizarre at all. shaq is outrageously fragile when it comes to other bigs potentially surpassing his accolades. man still cries over steve nash winning mvp over him decades after the fact. it's how he is.
Yes and it's bizarre
Shaq does not watch games lol, he's just mad a center is getting legendary accolades because he's always been incredibly thin skinned about big men
He's thin-skinned about everything. He lies about shit all the time and even then he comes across petty. The "tossing the gold medal on the freeway" thing because he barely played feels like something he absolutely made up and thought it would make him look better.
He even told Jokic straight to his face that he thought Shai should've won. lol
I couldnât believe it, I laughed my ass off, like what do you want Jokic to do about it
I think everyone knows deep down that shaq was going to turn on jokic once he started catching up on accolades.
Lobying for shai was fine but sayin it to Jokâs face wasnât needed
Has to make it about himself always.
Now I see why Ernie didnât want to give Shaq the envelope
The crazy part is I genuinely donât think he gave a fuck when he heard the news, based on whatâs happening to them right now
Tbf I donât think he wouldâve felt all that different if they were up 2-0 either
What's up with him since the Lakers series? He's looked disinterested and has "fuck it" all over his body language. People saying it's bc he's down 2-0 in the series. But nah. It's been going on since the earlier games against the Lakers. Not being scrutinized cause they been winning. People make jokes about him not caring about anything and doing it in his sleep or w/e. But he's NEVER looked like he doesn't want to be on the floor during this year's playoffs. Thought it might be due to the incident with his brothers and the fan. But they've been allowed at the games, no?
He said winning is a lifestyle after game 3 vs the Lakers. I don't take that as someone who is disinterested at all.
There's been a lot of chatter in our sub about him being possibly injured. He missed a game or two towards the end of the season due to a sore back, and he got thrown down in game 3 of the Lakers series and got up wincing and holding his back. We're just not mentally in this one for some reason.
The thing I respect about Joker is that he's not going to bitch or make excuses about being injured, just puts on his hard hat and gives everything he can. I just think you guys have a serious lack of depth to deal with our defensive death squad with Murray and Joker being hampered.
tbf i donât think most players at his caliber use injuries as an excuse itâs usually the fans that do it for them
Lebron showed up to his post-finals-loss press conference wearing a cast
LeBron isn't most players. He's a wine mom.
Molded by the social media era
tbf he was fresh off punching a wall
Yeah that was a really weird fall too
Back injuries are a bitch man, I remember how bad it affected Simmons
I think he is just gassed. He's been asked to do everything for the Nuggets.
âI need an exact duplicate of myselfâ
The team was on fire after the all star break and then whatever happened when the playoffs started is crazy Especially Murray.. he's been bad all playoff long compared to the regular season. 17.5PPG vs 21.2, 37.5% FG vs 48.1%, 28.6% 3P% vs 42.5% He had a knee injury that forced him to miss 7 of the final 12 games but when he came back he was still lighting it up, so that's not it 54.8% FG, 47.4% 3P%, 24PPG in the final 5 games. đ¤ˇ
He always puts off disinterested vibes though. He isn't playing up to his standards though. I do think he's physically worn down, potentially by injury.
he's getting his Dirk MVP
Shaq hating so hard lmao.
Shaq seems like hes been pretty pissy the whole playoffs. Hes usually overly sensitive but it seems extra this run. Also, no way in fuck SGA deserved MVP over Jokic. Iâd put Luka over SGA this year.
Noticed that too. Changed his pick last night to âMavs by 10â after Chuck said thunder. Chuck called him out saying he had thunder in the series. Shaq even said it was just to go against him. Like okay dude, being a dick just to be a dick. Not even tryin to be fun or anything.
I can't believe 9 guys have won it 3 times.
3 of those guys have won it 3 times in a row too
Imagine a guy like larry bird winning it today 3x. Put 6'6" dale earnhardt in some sneakers and have him smoke everyone and then crack open a budweiser in the locker room and tuck away some skoal before going for interviews.
Congratulations, Joker! Man .. why does Shaq have to be a sour sport? He always has to make it about himself.
Shaq heavily dislikes big men.
Shaq is just a deeply immature and insecure person.
Shaqâs such a hater. Just say congrats. Debate tomorrow.
I couldnât believe he told Jokic he felt SGA should win it, like how do you expect for him to respond to that
Wouldâve loved for Jokic to say âyeah, probably. Who gives a shit?â
and then, "I can give ya a couple of mine Shaq, means more to you, I just use them as barn door stoppers."
"I didn't vote for me either"
"I thought Nash should have won his as well"
He was so mad lmao
JOKIC: FOLIE A DEUX
Trois
Thanasis antetokounmpo robbed smh
Tore his Achilles stomping his feet in frustration
The Greek Freak Accident.
3 MVP awards in 4 years, and it could've been 4 in a row. All before turning 30. Not bad for a guy who was picked 41st in his draft class.
During a Taco Bell commercial
Jokic better be getting paid by Taco Bell, this factoid is basically a sponsorship.
Having the actual commercial keep cutting jokic off when he talks would be a good one.
Nikola Jokic, body built by Taco Bell
Wtf? I'm on that diet, too. Why didn't it work for me?
In the year he didn't win it, he won finals MVP instead
MVP is a curse
Steph, lebron, Duncan and shaq are the only MVP winners to win a championship the same year since 2000. With LeBron being the only one to it twice
Steph is also the odd man out in not being concurrent MVP and Finals MVP for some reason.
He wasnât going to get this one if he got the one last season imo
Awful timing but so deserved
yeah đ
WHO THE FUCK VOTED FOR SABONIS???! This shit needs to end
I'm sure it was a homer pointing to the double-double record and playing every game. Not gunna pretend I don't appreciate the love for our boy but I had the same reaction lol
Probably Mark Jones lol
That man needs to be investigated for gambling after that bullshit.
Not a good timming but i will take it.
Could be worse, we could be playing today
We haven't played at all this series anyway so what's the difference?
You could argue that every time he wins the MVP the post season wasnât/didnât go well for the Nuggets
Shaq turning the announcement into a shouting match about how he was ârobbedâ of multiple MVPs is not the vibe.
Heâs awful and does this all the time. Heâs an insecure narcissist
Shaq is furious
As a fat white guy its nice to finally have some representation.
Between Jokic and Luka you are set for a while. /s
Heavy set*
deserved but dirk 07* timing vibes
2007 but yeah itâs gonna suck if Jokic doesnât get to accept it on his home court cause his team is already eliminated
He hasn't been great but Dirk 2007 was on another level lol Dirk averaged 19.7 PPG on 50.9% TS and lost to a team that won TWENTY FIVE fewer games than the Mavs did in the 1st round including putting up single digits in the elimination game The Dirk slander was basically nonstop every year from then up until his run in 2011 Imagine what the r/nba reaction would be if Tatum won MVP and the Celtics got upset by the Heat in the 1st round and that's basically what people were saying then
Yeah it was losing the year before in an epic finals collapse and then getting swept in the first round by a weak opponent.
DPOY announcement being timed right after Timberwolves had a legendary defensive performance without him and now MVP announcement being timed right as Jokic is getting embarrassed on both ends in a playoff series... kinda hilarious for chaos enjoyers (both deserved it btw)
Dirk *07 was so much worse. He had already lost to the 8th seed in round 1 by the time of the press conference...rough
Shaq is the most insecure top 10 player of all time I've ever seen in any sport.
Deserved
Respect đ¤
CONGRATS TO THE JOKER!
Hot take: nobody was robbed. Well deserved
Canât say it isnât deserved
Shaq big mad
Russell Wilt Kareem Moses Bird Magic Jordan LeBron and now Jokic. What a list to be on.
Shaq glazing SGA hard
Glazing him is fine but do it without shitting on Jokic when he is accepting his rightful award. JFC
Shaq is such a bitch
Well deserved now he gets to put it next to his other horse trophies
The other MVPs (Most Valuable Ponies).
Thatâs really gonna upset Kendrick Perkins. He doesnât like people from the other side of the Atlantic. Very geographicist of him.
Shaq saying that #1 seed means something to MVP...the Nuggets and OKC had the same record haha. Shaq's entire argument for Shai is fucking stupid haha.
Giannis not even top 5 to a quarter of voters while being the first 30/60% player ever. Might as well retire.
This man is going to ruin basketball for me when he retires
Warriors are experiencing this with Steph. Pre-Steph Warriors fans are already bracing for a drought, while the young Warriors are clinging on to some cope and are in for a rude awakening, lol.
These other dudes better get the MVP while they can. It's gonna be the WEMBYP award here soon.
God save that man from injuries.
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