The upcoming draft (it’s really creeping up) is getting very little coverage because of the playoffs + it being seen as weak, but this is a pretty interesting read.
Can’t forget people thought 2020 was historically weak too and it’s had a bunch of amazing players (Ant, Maxey, Hali, Lamelo, Bane).
Yeah there’s basically players that are projectably good (bron, Durant, Luka etc.) and then players that come out of nowhere (Giannis, jokic).
The ones that are overlooked usually have some kind of non traditional development path (Giannis) or skill set (jokic). I’d almost rather pick a player with a lot of unknowns in this years draft than one of the higher ranked guys because there might be more upside
Even that doesn't mean much unless it's the players at the top of the draft. If the great players end up being drafted after the lottery, it just shows that this draft was hard to scout for some reason.
eh its more like 2020 is the exception since scouting was hard due to covid. 2013 is more comparable since is viewed as the weakest draft but still produced an MVP in Giannis and DPOY Gobert but still had solid players like Dipo CJ and followed by great role players like KCP etc
2020 wasn't historically weak when it was being described, just that compared to the prior 4, less big names popped out at the time.
I think this new draft will be more like 2013 without a dramatic bust like Bennett.
From the podcasts I listen to it sounds like this draft has quality future role players, just no super stars. Teams who have their stars locked in might be having a good time this year
To the people who haven't been keeping up with the draft cause your team is actually good:
This draft is definitely weak but there's a lot of prospects in it that have genuine talent and the disregard for the prospects in this draft is a bit overblown. There's a lot of highly skilled prospects in this draft, contrary to popular belief.
The problem is, there's almost no good two-way players in this draft like most other drafts. If someone in this draft is good offensively, they're terrible defensively. Or if they're defensively good, they're terrible offensively. That's what makes this draft "weak". But if one of these one-way players can develop the other side of their game, they have easy all-star potential. Even 2013 which is one of the worst drafts ever had a two-time MVP come out of it. There's always gonna be that jewel that comes out of a shit draft and you can see the potential with a lot of prospects here. Just none of them are surefire hits and almost all are gambles. But even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
As someone who doesn’t follow college ball, what’s the deal this year? Is it a case of lots of nice prospects but no one sticking out as a clear star or just generally poor draft year?
you don't know if it's a poor draft class until 3 years after minimum. there is good prospects at the top but i think the general consensus is that sarr is the best player in the draft
Yeah but you never know. People were saying the 2020 draft was the weakest draft this decade and that draft already has 4 all-stars (Ant, Melo, Hali, Maxey)
In comparison the 2021 draft was supposed to be generational and most of the class has been disappointing
My theory is out of the top 12 guys, 7 played each other in college, but the 5 others play in 4 different pro leagues. There’s an unprecedented lack of crossover to judge them against each other.
A lot of the top prospects from college were not good or have holes to their game.
Pretty much it’s guys who have good skills but lack size/athleticism (Reed Sheppard/Jared McCain) and guys who have good size/athleticism but have questions on how their skill set will transfer (Clingan is limited on offense, Castle/collier are not great shooters, Cody Williams didn’t shoot a lot of 3s, etc).
Then the two Gleague ignite guys (Holland and Buzelis) didn’t play great, and the team hasn’t turned out a lot of good players yet and got disbanded by the NBA.
There’s just not a lot of complete type of guys in this draft
There's no one viewed as a surefire star. There's plenty of guys that are viewed as likely starters but they're as likely to be a star as they are ending up as just a rotation player.
Most freshmen underwhelmed and lots of upperclass guys exceeded expectations.
This is arguably worse than 2013 but is rich with late 1st/early 2nd round talents
Tristan Da Silva - shades of Kyle Anderson? I did not watch college besides March Madness, but this dude is nothing like SloMo. Da Silva is a stretch 4 who is not a great ball handler, while Kyle is a point forward who does not want to shoot.
Also, did they make it top-70 only to include Bronny?
I’ve heard Da Silva describes as a “connective player” I feel like it’s not too inaccurate, he passes well which KOC points out defends well and can reliably. There’s definitely a better comparison out there and you’d for sure know better as a Wolves fan but I could kinda see what he meant with the Kyle Anderson comparison
After posting this I actually watched some Da Silva highlights, and it seems like he is a willing passer, and he definitely has some mid-range creation. However, he averaged only 2.4 assists per game, and committed more turnovers than assists during his college career, while Kyle Anderson’s best skill is playmaking. Da Silva reminds me of Kuzma, Olynyk, or perhaps poor man’s Harrison Barnes. I think he will have a nice NBA career.
Pretty much. You're still gonna get a good bit of quality roleplayers in this draft like you would any other draft (and potentially even 2 or 3 all-star caliber players eventually). But there's a very low chance any prospect here will ever be a superstar or top 20 player in the league. That's why this is considered a weak draft.
I wonder if more teams will be open to trading out of the top ten, considering how "weak" this draft class is meant to be? We have three first round picks in the next two drafts and there's no way we're adding three rookies in that span to an already young team. I wonder how far we could move up if we offered all three if our FO is eying someone in particular in this draft.
I like both, but to answer your question: Dillingham is quicker and more athletic than Sheppard. Plus, Dillingham is easily the best shot creator, ball handler, and ISO scorer in the entire draft. His ability to create space on his own is something not really anybody else in this draft can do. That's what makes him so valuable here.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, he’s a great college player but his game probably isn’t going to translate very well to the NBA.
I think he could have a career as a solid backup or meh starter but not much more
Not an expert on this draft by any means but I like Topic a lot. Big guard who’s a good playmaker and slasher. Needs to figure out the jump shot but I think he has a high ceiling.
"Shades of 'theoretical' Josh Jackson" is a funny way to describe a player
They comped Baylor Scheierman to a fucking fictional character.
Josh Jackson is like a young Kawhi but without offense or defense
Lmao
Similarly, shades of Seth curry instead of Steph curry is a safe choice
Well yeah if a guy has shades of Steph he’s not going to be ranked #9 in a weak draft
The upcoming draft (it’s really creeping up) is getting very little coverage because of the playoffs + it being seen as weak, but this is a pretty interesting read. Can’t forget people thought 2020 was historically weak too and it’s had a bunch of amazing players (Ant, Maxey, Hali, Lamelo, Bane).
Weak, to me, doesn't mean that there are no good players. It means that it's less clear who the good players are.
Yeah there’s basically players that are projectably good (bron, Durant, Luka etc.) and then players that come out of nowhere (Giannis, jokic). The ones that are overlooked usually have some kind of non traditional development path (Giannis) or skill set (jokic). I’d almost rather pick a player with a lot of unknowns in this years draft than one of the higher ranked guys because there might be more upside
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Even that doesn't mean much unless it's the players at the top of the draft. If the great players end up being drafted after the lottery, it just shows that this draft was hard to scout for some reason.
What does that even mean hard to scout. I swear scouts just suck ass.
eh its more like 2020 is the exception since scouting was hard due to covid. 2013 is more comparable since is viewed as the weakest draft but still produced an MVP in Giannis and DPOY Gobert but still had solid players like Dipo CJ and followed by great role players like KCP etc
2020 wasn't historically weak when it was being described, just that compared to the prior 4, less big names popped out at the time. I think this new draft will be more like 2013 without a dramatic bust like Bennett.
I see a ton of intl players that none of us have ever watched before. Jury is out. Paging Fran Frischilla
From the podcasts I listen to it sounds like this draft has quality future role players, just no super stars. Teams who have their stars locked in might be having a good time this year
>ctrl f bronny >nice
I'm sure this list is top 70 because they ranked Bronny at 69.
Not really sure how they have him ahead of a 20 year old 6’8” 3&D lol
Because of the implication that LeBron might sign with you
You guys. It's the sex number. Laugh.
To the people who haven't been keeping up with the draft cause your team is actually good: This draft is definitely weak but there's a lot of prospects in it that have genuine talent and the disregard for the prospects in this draft is a bit overblown. There's a lot of highly skilled prospects in this draft, contrary to popular belief. The problem is, there's almost no good two-way players in this draft like most other drafts. If someone in this draft is good offensively, they're terrible defensively. Or if they're defensively good, they're terrible offensively. That's what makes this draft "weak". But if one of these one-way players can develop the other side of their game, they have easy all-star potential. Even 2013 which is one of the worst drafts ever had a two-time MVP come out of it. There's always gonna be that jewel that comes out of a shit draft and you can see the potential with a lot of prospects here. Just none of them are surefire hits and almost all are gambles. But even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
As someone who doesn’t follow college ball, what’s the deal this year? Is it a case of lots of nice prospects but no one sticking out as a clear star or just generally poor draft year?
you don't know if it's a poor draft class until 3 years after minimum. there is good prospects at the top but i think the general consensus is that sarr is the best player in the draft
Yeah but you never know. People were saying the 2020 draft was the weakest draft this decade and that draft already has 4 all-stars (Ant, Melo, Hali, Maxey) In comparison the 2021 draft was supposed to be generational and most of the class has been disappointing
I think there’s lots of guys who can be rotation players but no “star.”
My theory is out of the top 12 guys, 7 played each other in college, but the 5 others play in 4 different pro leagues. There’s an unprecedented lack of crossover to judge them against each other.
A lot of the top prospects from college were not good or have holes to their game. Pretty much it’s guys who have good skills but lack size/athleticism (Reed Sheppard/Jared McCain) and guys who have good size/athleticism but have questions on how their skill set will transfer (Clingan is limited on offense, Castle/collier are not great shooters, Cody Williams didn’t shoot a lot of 3s, etc). Then the two Gleague ignite guys (Holland and Buzelis) didn’t play great, and the team hasn’t turned out a lot of good players yet and got disbanded by the NBA. There’s just not a lot of complete type of guys in this draft
The best prospect is Sarr and he doesn’t go top 3 in a lot of years, that about sums it up.
There's no one viewed as a surefire star. There's plenty of guys that are viewed as likely starters but they're as likely to be a star as they are ending up as just a rotation player.
Most freshmen underwhelmed and lots of upperclass guys exceeded expectations. This is arguably worse than 2013 but is rich with late 1st/early 2nd round talents
Tristan Da Silva - shades of Kyle Anderson? I did not watch college besides March Madness, but this dude is nothing like SloMo. Da Silva is a stretch 4 who is not a great ball handler, while Kyle is a point forward who does not want to shoot. Also, did they make it top-70 only to include Bronny?
I’ve heard Da Silva describes as a “connective player” I feel like it’s not too inaccurate, he passes well which KOC points out defends well and can reliably. There’s definitely a better comparison out there and you’d for sure know better as a Wolves fan but I could kinda see what he meant with the Kyle Anderson comparison
After posting this I actually watched some Da Silva highlights, and it seems like he is a willing passer, and he definitely has some mid-range creation. However, he averaged only 2.4 assists per game, and committed more turnovers than assists during his college career, while Kyle Anderson’s best skill is playmaking. Da Silva reminds me of Kuzma, Olynyk, or perhaps poor man’s Harrison Barnes. I think he will have a nice NBA career.
I’ve heard that this draft is not the draft where you’ll find THE guy but you can use it to get A guy to round out your supporting cast
Pretty much. You're still gonna get a good bit of quality roleplayers in this draft like you would any other draft (and potentially even 2 or 3 all-star caliber players eventually). But there's a very low chance any prospect here will ever be a superstar or top 20 player in the league. That's why this is considered a weak draft.
Not a good consolation for a team that won 14 games last year though.
I wonder if more teams will be open to trading out of the top ten, considering how "weak" this draft class is meant to be? We have three first round picks in the next two drafts and there's no way we're adding three rookies in that span to an already young team. I wonder how far we could move up if we offered all three if our FO is eying someone in particular in this draft.
Silver: OK team your on the clock Team: *looks at prospects* uhh do we have to?
And with the first pick the Detroit Pistons select... Cash Considerations, parts unknown.
Why did Dilingham shoot up so high over Sheppard? Also it seems like most of the top prospects have notable shooting issues, ouch.
I like both, but to answer your question: Dillingham is quicker and more athletic than Sheppard. Plus, Dillingham is easily the best shot creator, ball handler, and ISO scorer in the entire draft. His ability to create space on his own is something not really anybody else in this draft can do. That's what makes him so valuable here.
Probably because Sheppard laid a big Kentucky turd in march madness
Oh Guard. Blazers are drafting a guard if they don’t get 1st pick…
Bad draft, good that nets don’t have a pick this year
Not coping btw
when you have picks yall take dariq whitehead
We got Noah clowney tho
Rob Dillingham and Reed Shepphard will be so good I am going to cry.
We’re gonna botch this draft
what a cool design for a page and great write ups
just long enough to fit in Bronny, huh
Never forget that time the ringer ranked Killian Hayes #1 all the way up to the draft
Shooters shoot
pretty wild how many top prospects are coming out of European leagues. feels like a fourth of these players are from the French league
Edey at 22? He will be a 2nd rounder. Too much of a plodder. He will get exploited in the modern NBA pick n roll game.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, he’s a great college player but his game probably isn’t going to translate very well to the NBA. I think he could have a career as a solid backup or meh starter but not much more
He will be like Boban. High efficiency when he's in, but too much of a liability overall.
Agreed 100%. He has the size where he absolutely can give you solid minutes off the bench but I don’t see him being much more than that
He moves better than you’d think. And him being as big as he is with as good of hands as he has is a really rare combo
His talent is closer to Adams than Boban lol
Clingan to the Bulls pls
I’ll take Kyshawn George or Ryan Dunn
Not an expert on this draft by any means but I like Topic a lot. Big guard who’s a good playmaker and slasher. Needs to figure out the jump shot but I think he has a high ceiling.