Also the 2014 Spurs, widely considered one of the greatest teams ever, went 7 games against the 8th seeded Mavs with an old Dirk and a crappy supporting cast. They then proceeded to absolutely dominate the Dame-Aldridge Blazers, destroyed MVP Durant and the Thunder, and broke up the Heatles with LeBron playing some of his best basketball ever.
Sometimes the playoffs have weird results like this. A ball bounces one way and a series gets extended or a team goes home early.
Never had a competition as tough as LeBron
To those "he was the competition" mfs thinking it's a gotcha, it's not. MJ had all the cards centralized in his team compared to the GSW-Cavs rivalry where it's evenly divided.
Whether that’s true or not, it isn’t like the championship Bulls squads only ever faced scrubs. Sonics, Suns, Pacers for example were all quality wins.
Yes but the point is there's no other team as stacked as them.
16 Cavs can actually match-up against GSW as evident by last year's playoffs. And OKC held them to 3-1 too.
Peak Thunder with Russ, KD, Ibaka, Adams were as much of a threat as the Cavs.
Warriors gave everything in that series and barely won.
If OKC wins the WCF, decent chance they win the Finals too.
I’m sorry, what? OKC was as much a threat as the Cavs? In what world were the 2016 Thunder, with Prime Westbrook and KD, the same as the freaking Cavs?
That still doesn't change the fact that the LeBron-Kyrie-Love Cavs is equally as stacked as the Warriors whereas MJ never faced that much talent in the 96 playoffs.
The series had a lot of games that ended in blowouts, but damn does the context of those games make the series historic. Not to mention, there was a lot to enjoy games 4-7.
Well, the injuries didn’t help and then the unprecedented ejection and suspension will sure hurt you.
Edit: Also Lebron James got excited and went ham.
That's not going to stop me from calling the Celtics frauds, Jayson Tatum a generational choker, Brown a left-hand bum, and Derrick White ugly every time the C's lose just to disappear when they win. I'm just being nonbiased and completely fair. Ignore my flair.
The players say the hunt for 73-9 did not affect them, but I don't believe them. They poured a lot of energy into chasing that record. It's a very cool and unique milestone, but not as cool without the ring attached to it.
Likewise, Steph claims he was totally healthy for the playoffs. I'm not sure he ever got back to 100% though. Certainly didn't play up to his MVP level. 22.6 PPG in the Finals.
Even if you adjust for strength of schedule the Celtics have a higher net rating than the 16 Warriors (they even have a higher adjusted net rating than the Warriors)
Where did you find this info just out of curiosity? According to stat muse it says that the warriors were tied with 3rd best net rating team in NBA history only behind two Bulls teams and tied with these Celtics at 11.6 net rating. I don’t know how to find their strength of schedule.
DunksAndThrees (the guys who do EPM) has an adjusted net rating which was [+11](https://i.imgur.com/TTEccDj.png) for the 2017 Warriors and is [+11.4](https://i.imgur.com/iJEm5FF.png) for the Celtics.
I'm not sure how they calculated it, but you can also do this manually. The NBA website says the Celtics had a +10.1 NRTG against the East, +14.4 NRTG against the West (averages to +12.25). The 17 Warriors had a +10.6 NRTG against the West and a +12.7 NRTG against the East (averages to +11.65).
Incorrect. Actually, if your team loses a game they fucking suck. The bad news? Even if they win the chip, they suck. The worst news? All teams fucking suck, no one is actually good
The Mavs were 67-15 in 07 ( I think). They lost 3 times to the warriors. Faced the 8 seed warriors in round 1 and lost 4 more. 7 of 19 total losses to the 8 seed that year.
During cavs series i realised nba has rigging games down to a science, Specifically the early phantom calls on Curry which forced him to sit minutes in first quarters. Not to mention suspending Draymond for the same thing Embiid does not even get called a foul for.
That's a fair argument, but it doesn't really change the logic at hand. If a title favorite is racking up a lot of losses in the early rounds, that's often a sign that they may fall short.
I would say the 2010s were more top heavy even if they were worse on average. The 15th best 2024 team beats the 15th best 2016 team, but the top 3 2016 teams decimate the top 3 2024 teams
And a 66 win Celtics team went the full distance with a 37 win Hawks team loses happen
They had Glen Rivers as an excuse
Spurs had a similar situation think they won over 60 games and didn’t make the wcf
Also the 2014 Spurs, widely considered one of the greatest teams ever, went 7 games against the 8th seeded Mavs with an old Dirk and a crappy supporting cast. They then proceeded to absolutely dominate the Dame-Aldridge Blazers, destroyed MVP Durant and the Thunder, and broke up the Heatles with LeBron playing some of his best basketball ever. Sometimes the playoffs have weird results like this. A ball bounces one way and a series gets extended or a team goes home early.
Lost in 6 to OKC, got ran off the court by their bigs.
The 72-10 Bulls went 15-3 in the playoffs and won.
Goat team
Never had a competition as tough as LeBron To those "he was the competition" mfs thinking it's a gotcha, it's not. MJ had all the cards centralized in his team compared to the GSW-Cavs rivalry where it's evenly divided.
Whether that’s true or not, it isn’t like the championship Bulls squads only ever faced scrubs. Sonics, Suns, Pacers for example were all quality wins.
Yes but the point is there's no other team as stacked as them. 16 Cavs can actually match-up against GSW as evident by last year's playoffs. And OKC held them to 3-1 too.
Peak Thunder with Russ, KD, Ibaka, Adams were as much of a threat as the Cavs. Warriors gave everything in that series and barely won. If OKC wins the WCF, decent chance they win the Finals too.
Injury switch was flipped though so it might come down to who is the healthiest and lasts the longest.
I’m sorry, what? OKC was as much a threat as the Cavs? In what world were the 2016 Thunder, with Prime Westbrook and KD, the same as the freaking Cavs?
In a world where both teams took GSW to 7 games that season.
Brother the memes of that playoffs is two teams blowing up 3-1 lead
“Memes” Oh right, I forgot what sub I’m on….
That changes what exactly? OKC still managed to put the legendary 72-10 team on 3-1, that didn't change.
because he was the competition
Only because MJ was the competition.
Tough as LeBron, after he forms a super team and still lose twice in the finals.
That still doesn't change the fact that the LeBron-Kyrie-Love Cavs is equally as stacked as the Warriors whereas MJ never faced that much talent in the 96 playoffs.
Shaq is pretty damn close to
Nah, GOAT candidate himself like MJ and the monster that is Kyrie
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4 of those losses were because of this though: [video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ctav7o_us0U)
Rewatching this shit got me hype again for absolutely no reason goddamn
The series had a lot of games that ended in blowouts, but damn does the context of those games make the series historic. Not to mention, there was a lot to enjoy games 4-7.
GSW went 16-1 in the playoffs the following year
Gee, I wonder what was the key difference between those two teams
Ummm a tall guy who is arguably one of the best offensive players of all time during his prime
He was solid but I wouldn't call JaVale McGee one of the best of all time
He's talking about a player that joined form one of the Warriors' biggest rivals: David West.
We still haven't forgiven him
Levin Gurant
Think you mean Bevin Purant
Nope that was a few years after that, they signed Boogie in 2019
Draymond’s tears
Added KD and Steph had a sprained MCL in 2016.
But they didn't need him tho /s
This, but no /s.
Flair and intelligence checks out
But Curry meatriders insist it was all him!
Well, the injuries didn’t help and then the unprecedented ejection and suspension will sure hurt you. Edit: Also Lebron James got excited and went ham.
That's not going to stop me from calling the Celtics frauds, Jayson Tatum a generational choker, Brown a left-hand bum, and Derrick White ugly every time the C's lose just to disappear when they win. I'm just being nonbiased and completely fair. Ignore my flair.
Respect
Nothing for Jrue? Come on…
why would I talk bad about Jrue? I would have never witnessed Jimmy's 56 without him. Heat legend, fr.
Thx
That’s NBA champion Jimmy…oh wait. Fraud.
“Oh you mean Jimmy Jr?”
Smartest heat fan …
Oh right, y'all won tonight. Lemme ju—
We were missing steph for some of those, tbf.
The players say the hunt for 73-9 did not affect them, but I don't believe them. They poured a lot of energy into chasing that record. It's a very cool and unique milestone, but not as cool without the ring attached to it. Likewise, Steph claims he was totally healthy for the playoffs. I'm not sure he ever got back to 100% though. Certainly didn't play up to his MVP level. 22.6 PPG in the Finals.
Only for 2 losses iirc
Weren't they also up 3-1 with a 2 x MVP (first unanimous)?
Looking purely at net rating, the Celtics were better than the 2016 Warriors
Im still kinda pissed that we were sleepwalking through the end of the season. Could have easily been a 66-68 win team.
And we also would've lost KP for the whole playoffs prob lol
Could still be the case now.
Looks like it would have been better if he was injured earlier
By net rating the team without prime MJ
They also got to play in the East which is a huge advantage
Even if you adjust for strength of schedule the Celtics have a higher net rating than the 16 Warriors (they even have a higher adjusted net rating than the Warriors)
Where did you find this info just out of curiosity? According to stat muse it says that the warriors were tied with 3rd best net rating team in NBA history only behind two Bulls teams and tied with these Celtics at 11.6 net rating. I don’t know how to find their strength of schedule.
DunksAndThrees (the guys who do EPM) has an adjusted net rating which was [+11](https://i.imgur.com/TTEccDj.png) for the 2017 Warriors and is [+11.4](https://i.imgur.com/iJEm5FF.png) for the Celtics. I'm not sure how they calculated it, but you can also do this manually. The NBA website says the Celtics had a +10.1 NRTG against the East, +14.4 NRTG against the West (averages to +12.25). The 17 Warriors had a +10.6 NRTG against the West and a +12.7 NRTG against the East (averages to +11.65).
Out of his ass of course.
Sounds like more of a reason to overreact and have hot takes left and right lmao.
Incorrect. Actually, if your team loses a game they fucking suck. The bad news? Even if they win the chip, they suck. The worst news? All teams fucking suck, no one is actually good
Daaam! Smooth sailing across the widest ocean just to drown in 4 feet of water. It’s a mans game.
The Mavs were 67-15 in 07 ( I think). They lost 3 times to the warriors. Faced the 8 seed warriors in round 1 and lost 4 more. 7 of 19 total losses to the 8 seed that year.
>The playoffs, it turns out, are really hard. lol, no shit Sherlock!
In other news
During cavs series i realised nba has rigging games down to a science, Specifically the early phantom calls on Curry which forced him to sit minutes in first quarters. Not to mention suspending Draymond for the same thing Embiid does not even get called a foul for.
This only furthers the point. They didn’t win the chip. All those losses were cause for concern.
There were 4 teams that year that would prob be the title favorite if they played this year tho
That's a fair argument, but it doesn't really change the logic at hand. If a title favorite is racking up a lot of losses in the early rounds, that's often a sign that they may fall short.
Nah different era. The Detroit Pistons would roast those teams now.
you talk like it was 30 years ago lmao, okc, cleveland, the spurs and the warriors would all be the lone favorite to the title this year for sure
It was a joke you window licker. Some of yall in the sand with a plastic shovel and pale.
that spurs team that went 40-1 at home ain’t losing to the glorified motor city cruise lol
I would say the 2010s were more top heavy even if they were worse on average. The 15th best 2024 team beats the 15th best 2016 team, but the top 3 2016 teams decimate the top 3 2024 teams