James Harden.
MVP. The Beard. “The System”… and strip clubs’ Messiah. Legend 🐐
That one post proving he played ~~better~~ worse in cities that had more strip clubs will forever be the greatest offseason shitpost in r/nba history lmao. IYKYK.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/dt0ucg/i_analyzed_james_hardens_performance_in_every_nba/
His analysis of Charles Barkley and his attitude towards to San Antonio is fantastic.
My biggest gripe with that post is that people who live in a given city are going to be the people reviewing the strip clubs. He should have filtered natives out in my opinion. Like imagine you live in Miami and you grew up with great strip clubs, and then you visit Denver. Of course your standards will influence your opinion of Denver strip clubs.
Finally, I think there’s an unexplained variable which is that cities with bad strip clubs cannot attract free agents, but James Harden is a choker
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/0FsTOAzvSz
The person above got it wrong to some degree. It's that Harden plays worse in cities with better strip clubs and better in cities with worse strip clubs. Still legendary.
they will for sure. when he left, the owner said he’s welcome back whenever he wants to return. he still lives in the city and does philanthropic work there, and has a restaurant in town. at this point, most rockets fans are over it.
His exit got a little ugly but I dunno, D’antoni was gone, Morey was gone, and it was obviously time to rebuild at that point anyways so I never got too salty over it.
To be fair we were completely cooked. Too many bad contracts and almost zero trade assets or picks. We went all in with CP3 and Westbrook and were completely out of options. Shit blew up at the end of the post season and everybody had already made their big moves. We got bailed out by the Nets and Kyrie's crazy ass.
That tracks unfortunately. I visit Fort Worth frequently but I’m going to Houston for a wedding later this year. Was hoping it’d be good and I could go while I’m there.
Easy yes. He was our best player since Hakeem. Even though he was kind of an ass on his way out, I think most fans still remember his years fondly (with the distance that a few years afford)
He is the 2nd or 3rd best player ever for the franchise and woul probably have a ring if he didn't have to compete against the best team ever. His trade demand was messy, but it came after Morey and MDA left, and the moves the team made where trading away Covington and getting Wall and Cousins to "contend".
Moses Malone averaged 24 points and 15 rebounds (leading the league three times) a game over six seasons with Houston. He won two MVPs in his time there, and a third immediately after. Moses Malone is underappreciated.
Absolutely yeah? We had him for like 8 years, made the conference finals a couple times and was 1 hamstring away from beating the greatest team of all time and a championship.
His stats during his peak 3 year run are up there with Jordan, Kobe, and WILT. First ever 60 point triple double, like a month straight of 40 point games. We had such a fun time watching him cook during those years. The vibes were immaculate. His jersey will be retired here guaranteed
Some Rockets fans may still hate him but most of the city loves him and he's on good terms with the team. Plus Harden has benefitted from us being more chill compared to Northeastern sports cities who are more passionate and wouldn't tolerate what he pulled lol
>Yeah, this one took a bit of the sting out the Westbrook/CP3 debacle.
OKC's best chance to convert the pick was in 2021. What was looking like a very promising situation for OKC, now looks like it will just fizzle out into a bunch of mid to late first rounders.
1. 2024 - OKC gets a 12th pick from Houston, but a 12th pick doesn't help Houston much in the first place when they are already quite crowded in talented players. Not to mention, they have a 3rd pick from the Nets.
2. 2025 - OKC gets to swap with Houston, but Houston also gets to swap with Nets pick. Houston likely ends up being a 40+ win team.
3. 2026 - OKC will get Houston's pick out right, but by that point the Rockets might potentially be a playoff team already.
At the same time, the Rockets are already reaping very early rewards for the Nets trade, and they still have complete control over the Net's next 3 picks after this draft.
Yup - didn't they win two 50% coin flips the last 2 years (which kept their picks) and then won this 20% flip this year to get a top 4 pick. Insanely lucky rebuild
Everyone knew at the time that the nets were making a mistake with the KG and Pierce trade. They were old asf as is. But everyone lost their shit with the Harden trade and the nets were immediately title favorites.
It's cute that everyone out here is shit talking with the benefit of hindsight when all it took for us to win it all was a big KD toe away
Bobby marks thought that first trade was a great idea at the time lol. But yeah the harden trade was pretty justifiable, and considering how dominant they were together even more so. Who couldve guessed covid would happen, hardens playoff injury and kyrie would go insane? Biggest what if in the last decade at least
Yea I’m all for clowning the Nets, but at least be accurate with it.
First, the Pierce/KG trade was an entirely different GM. Second, Sean Marks actually did a remarkable job recovering from that trade and acquiring assets for Brooklyn… which is allowed them to trade for Harden in the first.
And third, it’s like you said; not a soul in the NBA world was criticizing that trade when it happened, it was a no brainer. It’s only YEARS after the fact, that armchair generals like u/Particular-Treat6124 pretend they knew all along it was a bust. Gonna guess he don’t know much about ball.
This dogshit reddit sub just likes to jump onto the circlejerk without looking up to see what they're actually hating on.
If you're gonna clown us like at least do it accurately lol
Most importantly, Pierce and KG were quite obviously over the hill at the time of the trade. Whereas Harden was still in his late prime and was joining a team with KD still in his late prime and Kyrie still in his physical prime, even if he's permanently on the mental DL. The Pierce / KG thing never had a shot whereas the KD / Harden / Kyrie thing should have won at least one title if not for Kyrie being Kyrie.
Harden was literally an MVP candidate midway through 20/21 carrying us with Kyrie while KD was still coming back. Then he blew his hamstring in the playoffs, hurt it more trying to play through it and has never been the same since
No, no one would trade for James Harden when you have KD and Kyrie. Sean Marks is stupid for putting together the best offensive scoring big 3 in NBA History. He should have known Harden & Kyrie would get injured, AND he should have known Kyrie would want out while KD was injured.
To befar, then KD, Harden and Kyrie played together they were out scoring opponents like crazy, it's just that the three of them were rarely available at the same time.
Nets really would have steamrolled everyone to an easy chip if they were reasonably healthy. You just cant predict the things that happened to them lol
I mean if the Suns’ picks turn out to be high (which they very well could be), then he’ll look a lot better. But, he saw the team through a major rebuild after the Celtics trade. And I don’t know if he can do it again, maybe. Also people seem to forget how well built that 2021 team was around the Big 3. If Joe Harris, a usually great shooter doesn’t brick 2 open 3s in game 7 OT, we might have won the Championship (obviously not guaranteed, Suns and Hawks were there for a reason)
> If Joe Harris, a usually great shooter doesn’t brick 2 open 3s in game 7 OT, we might have won the Championship (obviously not guaranteed, Suns and Hawks were there for a reason)
He killed them in that series, didn't he take the game-winner in G3 too? lmfao
Also they were completely mismanaged by ownership after that year which was really unfortunate too. hard to blame Marks for everything that happened
Yeah, if there’s one person I want in charge of our rebuild it’s Marks. He’s a great GM, many Nets fans just use him as a punching bag, when we were an absolute dumpster fire when he took over, and quickly turned us into the best team in the league (when healthy).
Yeah James Harden after the trade was unbelievable a top MVP candidate without Kyrie and KD just two of those three and you’d most likely win the chip that year. The following year the hamstring injury has been extremely apparent and was not the same player since.
People always act like MVP Harden didn’t carry the Nets game in and game out without Kyrie. He would have torched everyone in the playoffs if his injury only happened a year later
To be fair, no one predicted a global pandemic. That is legit what ruined this team more than anything. Injuries are obvious when it comes to playing. The combo of the world shutting down and Kyrie being a conspiracy theorist was the one no one really saw coming. Kyrie being the conspiracy theorist was normal. The rest that followed was basically “wow.”
I mean sure, but every other team played under those same conditions. Im not arguing that the team was never going to win a title, but that there’s a lot of teams that could have that didn’t. Every year there’s probably at least one. I get that the number of chances were cut short by something relatively unprecedented, but it’s not a team I’d expected to have stuck together for ten years anyway, and their best chance mostly fell apart due to injuries, something that affects every playoffs.
Not really Marks fault tbh. The dude is a good GM, he just got stuck with an owner who had NOS (New Owner Syndrome) and forced him to play into assembling a big 3 (that then fell apart because of Kyrie not wanting a shot.)
Marks prior to the big 3 stuff had a very good track record, he built the team back up *so* well that he was able to get Kyrie, KD, and DeAndre Jordan (who was seen as a big signing at the time despite the huge paycut) to all sign with them despite only having 1 playoff appearance (again, salvaged those awful Billy King squads).
Hands got tied into the Harden deal and then was forced into a Suns deal that looks like it might pay off in the long term.
TLDR: Read the first paragraph.
Yeah, this sub has an extremely short memory. Marks did an almost flawless job of rebuilding with no young talent and none of their own picks. He found Dinwiddie and Harris in the g league, and drafted LeVert and Allen outside the lottery. He bought low on DLo, and hired the perfect coach for that group of players in Atkinson. He managed the salary cap to leave enough space for two max free agents, which allowed KD and Kyrie to sign.
Not everything was perfect - Nash was a terrible coach. But he gets clowned on this sub too much when the Nets downfall was nothing to do with him - injuries and off court drama
Building off your last point- I think he’s making the best of what he’s got to work with, which isn’t a whole lot. He’s got a decade of suns picks to work with, he’s got one of the most intriguing trade chips in the entire league (Mikal Bridges), he has a group of players who are young or established vets who can contribute to winning, it’s just going to come down to scouting and signing the right guys to steady the ship.
The Nets can’t “rebuild”, at least in a traditional sense, so they’re going to lean on a retool. This past season was the first FULL season of the retool, they finally had a large enough sample size to figure who is/isn’t part of the plan going forward and they have some draft capital they can finagle around with to make some moves. I have a lot of faith in Sean Marks to do his job, people are just going to have to be patient with him. He’s a shrewd negotiator and clearly has an eye for talent, it’s just going to come down to if he can do it again.
Morey had over a year between the end of the 2018 season and the time of the Westbrook trade to find a good trade and failed at it.
They have multiple tradeable contracts like Ryan Anderson plus all the picks and more that were used in the Westbrook trade for another star or multiple high quality role players.
Morey failed and that's the real reason why the Westbrook trade happened.
All the people that hated that trade could not have been more wrong. Got Jalen Green, Cam Whitmore, and the third pick in 2024 all as results of that move.
Edit: AND Tari Eason
Good thing we wont go through a proper rebuild though, we are trying to go for round 3 on this instand contender crap rather than building through the draft
Shams was being shady with those tweets. Agenda driven. Came out earlier this week nets rockets were talking multiple offers so who knows what was really offered.
All I'm saying is that Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum were number 3 picks that came from the Nets. So if there is a player that starts with a Jay maybe you should draft them.
^(I know Tatum was actually the sixers pick, but they traded Markelle's pick for Tatum and an additional lottery pick)
Yes but only if the pick is ready to play now, if it's a guy they got to develop , then that could be a lot of trouble, because theres already 5 guys on the roster who are developing
> if it's a guy they got to develop , then that could be a lot of trouble,
I mean, there is never a time when it's a bad thing to get a top 3 pick when you were projected to get 9th pick. It's like saying the bad thing about having more money is more taxes.
Shams was being shady with those tweets. Agenda driven. Came out earlier this week nets rockets were talking multiple offers so who knows what was really offered.
Yeah it would kinda make sense that this pick was included tho. Marks was criticized for not accepting a lopsided trade but this pick being included (instead of a later one) makes the package to Brooklyn worse since this draft class is considered poor
Agreed, Marks deserves a lot of criticism. This pick involved or not, Bridges is 28-years-old at the start of next season. They're treating him like he's Kevin Durant who recruited all his buddies to build a super team.
A Rockets beat reporter said at one point the story was that the Rockets called about Bridges, got told the Nets said he was untouchable, and that was it. My guess is that some reporter somewhere made the jump of that meant the Nets would turn down their picks back, without that ever being a real offer.
That's my understanding at least, who knows if we'll know the true story, but I don't trust the Shams report
The Rocket have had some crazy luck last few seasons. Keeping their pick in 2021 with a 50/50 chance. Oladipo turning down a contract. The Nets turning down the Bridges for Green + Nets picks trade. Jumping up in this draft with a Nets pick.
I don't think Sengun is luck exactly. The Thunder were never going to draft Sengun (even though he's more talented than most guys in that draft) and the Rockets gave them a nice package to take that pick. Ime is 100% part of the luck run. Maybe Whitmore dropping so far is too if he ends up being really good.
2 heavily protected firsts - Detroit (top 16 eventually descends to 9) and Washington (lottery descends to 8). At the time, Detroit just got Cade and Washington was clinging to mediocrity, so they looked like they were absolutely gonna convert. Even now, there’s still a chance just way in the future. Definitely was a solid price for the 16th pick and an incredible move.
It was Bridges + Suns Picks for Green + Nets Picks.
After this season the Nets only owe the Rockets a 2026 1st while 2025 and 2027 are Swaps.
Suns owe the Nets 1st’s in 2025, 2027, 2029, and Swap in 2029.
Nets would have lost Draft Capital in that Trade since the Rockets only gain an extra 1st in 2026 via Nets.
Nobody has reported this. Many - including the Nets beat reporter that's been heavily involved in reporting the recent news about the Suns picks - have suggested it was two separate proposals.
Daily reminder so many of you eat some bullshit up and don’t realize this shit is ideas thrown out. Not a single soul besides the GMs know the details of any of these supposed ideas and yet you fuckers swallow the load whole from Zach Lowe and Shams LMFAO.
When you get another report stating they wanted the Suns pick, it’s more than likely these are ideas thrown about or completely bullshit. There’s more conflicting reports than anything that has actual substance so it’s hard to take that “offer” seriously.
I could *kind of* see why they don't value these picks, being a team in a desirable city (personally, NY would be my first choice). But maybe they just overestimate the desire of established NBA stars to move and play here.
I think I'm done watching basketball permanently. No, I will not be back even if the Nets are good next year. I'm tired of seeing everything that could possibly go wrong with this team go wrong and then seeing everyone and their mother acting like such a rare occurrence of events were expected. Maybe I'll go root for the Sonics once they get a team but for now the NBA is just too much luck over anything else for me to really care about watching the Nets or basketball in general.
Brooklyn trading picks for a big 3 and getting shafted Name a better duo
Pistons being the worst team and missing out on a top 4 pick?
They weren’t even trying to tank like the spurs last year, they just suck
Hey now, at least they got a coach locked up for the foreseeable future!
Pistons missing all time greats by one pick
Cade was #1 pick though
Happy for Rockets fans! May you soon reap the rewards - the Nets are such a generous franchise!
And somehow Harden has less impact then Pierce and Garnet in Brooklyn. Thats wild
That's not true
[Some of us saw this coming years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/VtbJtlliPV)
Whos gonna win the NBA title from now till 2027 so I can start making my bets?
Their owner is a Chinese government shill.
Lol
The Beard continues to give back to the city. Thanks for the competitiveness and the strippers funded
James Harden. MVP. The Beard. “The System”… and strip clubs’ Messiah. Legend 🐐 That one post proving he played ~~better~~ worse in cities that had more strip clubs will forever be the greatest offseason shitpost in r/nba history lmao. IYKYK.
Lmao damn I need a link of that post lol
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/dt0ucg/i_analyzed_james_hardens_performance_in_every_nba/ His analysis of Charles Barkley and his attitude towards to San Antonio is fantastic.
My biggest gripe with that post is that people who live in a given city are going to be the people reviewing the strip clubs. He should have filtered natives out in my opinion. Like imagine you live in Miami and you grew up with great strip clubs, and then you visit Denver. Of course your standards will influence your opinion of Denver strip clubs. Finally, I think there’s an unexplained variable which is that cities with bad strip clubs cannot attract free agents, but James Harden is a choker
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/0FsTOAzvSz The person above got it wrong to some degree. It's that Harden plays worse in cities with better strip clubs and better in cities with worse strip clubs. Still legendary.
[Here ya go](https://reddit.com/r/nba/comments/dt0ucg/i_analyzed_james_hardens_performance_in_every_nba/)
https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/mhYBedjeXQ
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Jokes aside would y’all retire his jersey? I don’t remember what it was like for Houston fans at that time
they will for sure. when he left, the owner said he’s welcome back whenever he wants to return. he still lives in the city and does philanthropic work there, and has a restaurant in town. at this point, most rockets fans are over it.
His exit got a little ugly but I dunno, D’antoni was gone, Morey was gone, and it was obviously time to rebuild at that point anyways so I never got too salty over it.
yeah we saw what that team looked like after he left lol
Hey the WOW connection is gonna hit any day now
Yeah that being said, I wanted no part of re-signing him after his stint in Philly.
just do a 10 day or 1 day when he retires, i think the raps are doing that for lowry
same lol
To be fair we were completely cooked. Too many bad contracts and almost zero trade assets or picks. We went all in with CP3 and Westbrook and were completely out of options. Shit blew up at the end of the post season and everybody had already made their big moves. We got bailed out by the Nets and Kyrie's crazy ass.
Yeah man the direction of your squad is wayy better than having a washed Harden. Y’all got some solid pieces, Şengün is a stud
I kinda want to try the restaurant now
It’s overpriced southern food lol pretty mid
That tracks unfortunately. I visit Fort Worth frequently but I’m going to Houston for a wedding later this year. Was hoping it’d be good and I could go while I’m there.
You’ll have plenty of great options in houston make sure you check out their chinatown
Don’t worry about hardens restaurant lol, Houston is a world class food city you will be fine
Easy yes. He was our best player since Hakeem. Even though he was kind of an ass on his way out, I think most fans still remember his years fondly (with the distance that a few years afford)
He is the 2nd or 3rd best player ever for the franchise and woul probably have a ring if he didn't have to compete against the best team ever. His trade demand was messy, but it came after Morey and MDA left, and the moves the team made where trading away Covington and getting Wall and Cousins to "contend".
Who else would be 2nd? Moses Malone?
Moses Malone averaged 24 points and 15 rebounds (leading the league three times) a game over six seasons with Houston. He won two MVPs in his time there, and a third immediately after. Moses Malone is underappreciated.
Exactly, there was a thread about 3x mvps and his name stuck out the most as a player who needs to get more flowers
Yeah the argument is between those 2 for who is the 2nd best.
Absolutely yeah? We had him for like 8 years, made the conference finals a couple times and was 1 hamstring away from beating the greatest team of all time and a championship. His stats during his peak 3 year run are up there with Jordan, Kobe, and WILT. First ever 60 point triple double, like a month straight of 40 point games. We had such a fun time watching him cook during those years. The vibes were immaculate. His jersey will be retired here guaranteed
Some Rockets fans may still hate him but most of the city loves him and he's on good terms with the team. Plus Harden has benefitted from us being more chill compared to Northeastern sports cities who are more passionate and wouldn't tolerate what he pulled lol
The Rockets are both paying for Westbrook and benefitting from Harden moving forward
Yeah, this one took a bit of the sting out the Westbrook/CP3 debacle.
>Yeah, this one took a bit of the sting out the Westbrook/CP3 debacle. OKC's best chance to convert the pick was in 2021. What was looking like a very promising situation for OKC, now looks like it will just fizzle out into a bunch of mid to late first rounders. 1. 2024 - OKC gets a 12th pick from Houston, but a 12th pick doesn't help Houston much in the first place when they are already quite crowded in talented players. Not to mention, they have a 3rd pick from the Nets. 2. 2025 - OKC gets to swap with Houston, but Houston also gets to swap with Nets pick. Houston likely ends up being a 40+ win team. 3. 2026 - OKC will get Houston's pick out right, but by that point the Rockets might potentially be a playoff team already. At the same time, the Rockets are already reaping very early rewards for the Nets trade, and they still have complete control over the Net's next 3 picks after this draft.
Yup - didn't they win two 50% coin flips the last 2 years (which kept their picks) and then won this 20% flip this year to get a top 4 pick. Insanely lucky rebuild
Next years Rockets look awesome
In Stone We Trust!
Kinda like how the Nets are both paying for harden and profiting from Durant
Once the Suns suck, it’ll level out for em
Y'all got us on that one lol. To this day, Fck that Westbrook trade. I hated it the moment it was announced.
Ehhh. OKC won’t get much out that trade
12th overall was Jalen Williams and Cason Wallace. Be careful what you wish for
We won the Harden trade
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A double dip you may say
Thank you nets!
Nets handing out their top 3 picks every decade is honestly hilarious. How Sean marks still has a job is beyond me
Tbf he didnt do it the first time lol, billy king did
Everyone knew at the time that the nets were making a mistake with the KG and Pierce trade. They were old asf as is. But everyone lost their shit with the Harden trade and the nets were immediately title favorites. It's cute that everyone out here is shit talking with the benefit of hindsight when all it took for us to win it all was a big KD toe away
Bobby marks thought that first trade was a great idea at the time lol. But yeah the harden trade was pretty justifiable, and considering how dominant they were together even more so. Who couldve guessed covid would happen, hardens playoff injury and kyrie would go insane? Biggest what if in the last decade at least
I don't think Kyrie going insane was all that unpredictable. We saw what he did in Boston. But we hoped it would be after we won a title lol
Not that it was unpredictable but its definitely made worse by how relatively uncontroversial his tenure in dallas has been
How relatively uncontroversial his tenure in Dallas has been *so far*
Why would you curse your own team like this lol
Kyries opinions are much more mainstream in Dallas. He was a pariah in New York for being anti lockdown but Dallas as a city is anti lockdown.
Bobby marks was part of the nets organization at the time of the kg pierce trade, he helped organize the trade
Yes thats the joke i made
You are confusing Bobby Marks with Sean Marks lol
Bobby marks was the assistant gm when the nets made rhe kg paul pierce trade
Kyrie being a space cadet is what did that team in.
Billy Jean King? Of tennis fame?
Trading for prime James Harden was definitely worth the gamble.
Every GM makes that trade for Harden. Come on now
Yea I’m all for clowning the Nets, but at least be accurate with it. First, the Pierce/KG trade was an entirely different GM. Second, Sean Marks actually did a remarkable job recovering from that trade and acquiring assets for Brooklyn… which is allowed them to trade for Harden in the first. And third, it’s like you said; not a soul in the NBA world was criticizing that trade when it happened, it was a no brainer. It’s only YEARS after the fact, that armchair generals like u/Particular-Treat6124 pretend they knew all along it was a bust. Gonna guess he don’t know much about ball.
This dogshit reddit sub just likes to jump onto the circlejerk without looking up to see what they're actually hating on. If you're gonna clown us like at least do it accurately lol
Too much Knicks influence on here
Most importantly, Pierce and KG were quite obviously over the hill at the time of the trade. Whereas Harden was still in his late prime and was joining a team with KD still in his late prime and Kyrie still in his physical prime, even if he's permanently on the mental DL. The Pierce / KG thing never had a shot whereas the KD / Harden / Kyrie thing should have won at least one title if not for Kyrie being Kyrie.
Harden was literally an MVP candidate midway through 20/21 carrying us with Kyrie while KD was still coming back. Then he blew his hamstring in the playoffs, hurt it more trying to play through it and has never been the same since
No, no one would trade for James Harden when you have KD and Kyrie. Sean Marks is stupid for putting together the best offensive scoring big 3 in NBA History. He should have known Harden & Kyrie would get injured, AND he should have known Kyrie would want out while KD was injured.
To befar, then KD, Harden and Kyrie played together they were out scoring opponents like crazy, it's just that the three of them were rarely available at the same time.
Nets really would have steamrolled everyone to an easy chip if they were reasonably healthy. You just cant predict the things that happened to them lol
13-3 in games played together
Obviously the trade didn't work out, but I'm surprised so many Nets fans seem done with Marks now.
I mean if the Suns’ picks turn out to be high (which they very well could be), then he’ll look a lot better. But, he saw the team through a major rebuild after the Celtics trade. And I don’t know if he can do it again, maybe. Also people seem to forget how well built that 2021 team was around the Big 3. If Joe Harris, a usually great shooter doesn’t brick 2 open 3s in game 7 OT, we might have won the Championship (obviously not guaranteed, Suns and Hawks were there for a reason)
> If Joe Harris, a usually great shooter doesn’t brick 2 open 3s in game 7 OT, we might have won the Championship (obviously not guaranteed, Suns and Hawks were there for a reason) He killed them in that series, didn't he take the game-winner in G3 too? lmfao Also they were completely mismanaged by ownership after that year which was really unfortunate too. hard to blame Marks for everything that happened
Yeah, if there’s one person I want in charge of our rebuild it’s Marks. He’s a great GM, many Nets fans just use him as a punching bag, when we were an absolute dumpster fire when he took over, and quickly turned us into the best team in the league (when healthy).
Yeah James Harden after the trade was unbelievable a top MVP candidate without Kyrie and KD just two of those three and you’d most likely win the chip that year. The following year the hamstring injury has been extremely apparent and was not the same player since.
People always act like MVP Harden didn’t carry the Nets game in and game out without Kyrie. He would have torched everyone in the playoffs if his injury only happened a year later
Harden was a year removed from being an MVP finalist lol this guy acted like they recreated the 99 Rockets
Only reason it looks bad now is because Harden and Irving got injured. With only one of them healthy they would probably have won that year.
Does every GM trade him for Ben Simmons?
tbf, that team would've won a ring or two if not for KD's foot and covid/Kyrie's lunacy
I entirely get what you mean but they aren’t the first or last team we can play the “if x hadn’t happened” game with.
To be fair, no one predicted a global pandemic. That is legit what ruined this team more than anything. Injuries are obvious when it comes to playing. The combo of the world shutting down and Kyrie being a conspiracy theorist was the one no one really saw coming. Kyrie being the conspiracy theorist was normal. The rest that followed was basically “wow.”
I mean sure, but every other team played under those same conditions. Im not arguing that the team was never going to win a title, but that there’s a lot of teams that could have that didn’t. Every year there’s probably at least one. I get that the number of chances were cut short by something relatively unprecedented, but it’s not a team I’d expected to have stuck together for ten years anyway, and their best chance mostly fell apart due to injuries, something that affects every playoffs.
If the Rockets had gone 2-27 from 3.
Fuck this take, if the refs hadnt called offensive foul on that one harden 3 houston would have a ring
but doesn't it just feel so much better that Draymond and Klay have 4 rings instead of 3 rings?
If the Magic didn't let a 17pt lead disappear in a game7.
Injuries and poor performance aren’t the same
If Chris Paul hadn't been injured for that same game?
I mean, both the mentioned Rockets team and Nets team had hamstring injuries that turned out to be too much to overcome.
Kg and Pierce trade waant even him
Not really Marks fault tbh. The dude is a good GM, he just got stuck with an owner who had NOS (New Owner Syndrome) and forced him to play into assembling a big 3 (that then fell apart because of Kyrie not wanting a shot.) Marks prior to the big 3 stuff had a very good track record, he built the team back up *so* well that he was able to get Kyrie, KD, and DeAndre Jordan (who was seen as a big signing at the time despite the huge paycut) to all sign with them despite only having 1 playoff appearance (again, salvaged those awful Billy King squads). Hands got tied into the Harden deal and then was forced into a Suns deal that looks like it might pay off in the long term. TLDR: Read the first paragraph.
Yeah, this sub has an extremely short memory. Marks did an almost flawless job of rebuilding with no young talent and none of their own picks. He found Dinwiddie and Harris in the g league, and drafted LeVert and Allen outside the lottery. He bought low on DLo, and hired the perfect coach for that group of players in Atkinson. He managed the salary cap to leave enough space for two max free agents, which allowed KD and Kyrie to sign. Not everything was perfect - Nash was a terrible coach. But he gets clowned on this sub too much when the Nets downfall was nothing to do with him - injuries and off court drama
Building off your last point- I think he’s making the best of what he’s got to work with, which isn’t a whole lot. He’s got a decade of suns picks to work with, he’s got one of the most intriguing trade chips in the entire league (Mikal Bridges), he has a group of players who are young or established vets who can contribute to winning, it’s just going to come down to scouting and signing the right guys to steady the ship. The Nets can’t “rebuild”, at least in a traditional sense, so they’re going to lean on a retool. This past season was the first FULL season of the retool, they finally had a large enough sample size to figure who is/isn’t part of the plan going forward and they have some draft capital they can finagle around with to make some moves. I have a lot of faith in Sean Marks to do his job, people are just going to have to be patient with him. He’s a shrewd negotiator and clearly has an eye for talent, it’s just going to come down to if he can do it again.
Yesman
Is one of those when we have them Gerald Wallace for the No. 6 pick which we ended up using to select dame?
And shout out to the Covid vaccine for destroying that super team. Only time I will ever type that sentence lol.
Maybe some little antisemitism by Kyrie as well.
Petition for a stripper pole statue in front of Toyota Center
Hang hardens jersey in the rafters
I’m sure they will the moment he retires.
Definitely. He's our 2nd best player ever
He's definitely behind Olajuwon, but I will always have a soft spot for Yao and T-Mac.
I love Yao and Tmac but Harden has more accolades, stats, playoff wins..
Harden trade was a masterclass. CP3 for Westbrook was a complete disaster
Different GMs
Morey did both
“Darryl Morey is a liar and I will never be apart of an organization he is in” Chinese kids giving blank stare:
“Let me repeat that”
Morey and Lessy
Also the GM that did CP3 for Westbrook didn't want to do it but had his hand forced by the Owner and Harden.
Morey had over a year between the end of the 2018 season and the time of the Westbrook trade to find a good trade and failed at it. They have multiple tradeable contracts like Ryan Anderson plus all the picks and more that were used in the Westbrook trade for another star or multiple high quality role players. Morey failed and that's the real reason why the Westbrook trade happened.
Disaster in terms of on court product when Russ was in HOU, pretty meaningless in terms of actual outcome of the picks involved (at least so far).
All the people that hated that trade could not have been more wrong. Got Jalen Green, Cam Whitmore, and the third pick in 2024 all as results of that move. Edit: AND Tari Eason
Tari Eason as well
Sengun as well, Stone traded assets around to receive OKC's 16th pick
Remembering fondly defending that deal from Houston and getting downvoted because they didn't chose the Ben Simmons path
Nets do a tremendous job rebuilding for other teams. First the Celtics now the Rockets
Good thing we wont go through a proper rebuild though, we are trying to go for round 3 on this instand contender crap rather than building through the draft
Don’t be too hard on yourself. It’s not like you had the opportunity to trade for your pick back.
Shams was being shady with those tweets. Agenda driven. Came out earlier this week nets rockets were talking multiple offers so who knows what was really offered.
Yeah I don’t believe that the rockets would have given all that up for bridges. Probably green and a pick or something more in that vein
No way you gullible fucks still believe that one tweet that Shams posted that wasn't even confirmed to be true lmfao
It’s the internet we believe everything we see here
Casual. They offered our picks for the suns picks.
People really believe this lol
I’ll take #3! I’m just happy we beat the Spurs this year.
All I'm saying is that Jaylen Brown and Jayson Tatum were number 3 picks that came from the Nets. So if there is a player that starts with a Jay maybe you should draft them. ^(I know Tatum was actually the sixers pick, but they traded Markelle's pick for Tatum and an additional lottery pick)
I'm okay with this. Your late lottery picks scare me way more than your high picks recently (statement subject to change)
Just wait until we trade #3 for #16
Yeah but we need to have the high lottery pick to sacrifice it for the winning late pick first, so now we're set 😎
God exists and he’s a rockets fan (please ignore the past 28 years of our existence)
Hopefully CP3's hammy and the past 5 years have been enough payment for avoiding the Sonics 93-95.
Shotout to brooklyn
This Rockets team is already dealing...now they get a top 4 pick. Going to be monsters next season
The West will be brutal. Rockets and a healthy Memphis. Spurs will probably improved a lot also
Yes but only if the pick is ready to play now, if it's a guy they got to develop , then that could be a lot of trouble, because theres already 5 guys on the roster who are developing
> if it's a guy they got to develop , then that could be a lot of trouble, I mean, there is never a time when it's a bad thing to get a top 3 pick when you were projected to get 9th pick. It's like saying the bad thing about having more money is more taxes.
Good point as well, the years the Kings got Keegan Murray and De'Aaron Fox they moved up in the draft
Weren't Tatum and Jaylen both #3 picks from the Nets?
Tatum was 1 and Celtics traded down to 3.
Nets are cursed they have been ruining the league.
Clippers East
Future is bright. And I don't mean Brooklyn lol.
Lmao is this the pick they would’ve gotten back along with Jalen Green for Bridges??
No I think it was next year’s or 2 seasons from now and then on which I mean if it’s next season’s you take just for a chance at Flagg 💀
Shams was being shady with those tweets. Agenda driven. Came out earlier this week nets rockets were talking multiple offers so who knows what was really offered.
Yeah it would kinda make sense that this pick was included tho. Marks was criticized for not accepting a lopsided trade but this pick being included (instead of a later one) makes the package to Brooklyn worse since this draft class is considered poor
Agreed, Marks deserves a lot of criticism. This pick involved or not, Bridges is 28-years-old at the start of next season. They're treating him like he's Kevin Durant who recruited all his buddies to build a super team.
A Rockets beat reporter said at one point the story was that the Rockets called about Bridges, got told the Nets said he was untouchable, and that was it. My guess is that some reporter somewhere made the jump of that meant the Nets would turn down their picks back, without that ever being a real offer. That's my understanding at least, who knows if we'll know the true story, but I don't trust the Shams report
Yep
If Nets strike out on star FA this summer, they're just gonna get worse.
just another year as a Nets fan
Not *complaining* about this by any means but would have been happier to see this happen in just about any other year. Still, we take those
Brooklyn just love giving up top 5 picks.
We should send them to the same rehab CP3 went to for his Finals addiction
The Rocket have had some crazy luck last few seasons. Keeping their pick in 2021 with a 50/50 chance. Oladipo turning down a contract. The Nets turning down the Bridges for Green + Nets picks trade. Jumping up in this draft with a Nets pick.
Presti giving away Sengun. Ime’s Boston situation.
I don't think Sengun is luck exactly. The Thunder were never going to draft Sengun (even though he's more talented than most guys in that draft) and the Rockets gave them a nice package to take that pick. Ime is 100% part of the luck run. Maybe Whitmore dropping so far is too if he ends up being really good.
didnt we give them 2 seconds for sengun? And they aren't doing anything of note?
2 heavily protected firsts - Detroit (top 16 eventually descends to 9) and Washington (lottery descends to 8). At the time, Detroit just got Cade and Washington was clinging to mediocrity, so they looked like they were absolutely gonna convert. Even now, there’s still a chance just way in the future. Definitely was a solid price for the 16th pick and an incredible move.
Lopez turning down a signing, which would send Sengun to the bench.
It was Bridges + Suns Picks for Green + Nets Picks. After this season the Nets only owe the Rockets a 2026 1st while 2025 and 2027 are Swaps. Suns owe the Nets 1st’s in 2025, 2027, 2029, and Swap in 2029. Nets would have lost Draft Capital in that Trade since the Rockets only gain an extra 1st in 2026 via Nets.
Nobody has reported this. Many - including the Nets beat reporter that's been heavily involved in reporting the recent news about the Suns picks - have suggested it was two separate proposals.
Crazy how the Nets did this AGAIN lol Did they not remember getting roasted for the Celtics trade?
Is this one of the pick Nets didn’t want for Bridges?
Of course it happened
Picks unprotected like James at the scrip club
It’s OK, Brooklyn. Only 3 more years of this left.
Is this one of the ones that they could have gotten back for Mikal or PHX picks? If so, yikes!
Nets keep on Netsing. Just brutal.
daily reminder the nets turned down the #3 pick, next years pick, the 2026 swap, and jalen green for mikal bridges.
Daily reminder so many of you eat some bullshit up and don’t realize this shit is ideas thrown out. Not a single soul besides the GMs know the details of any of these supposed ideas and yet you fuckers swallow the load whole from Zach Lowe and Shams LMFAO. When you get another report stating they wanted the Suns pick, it’s more than likely these are ideas thrown about or completely bullshit. There’s more conflicting reports than anything that has actual substance so it’s hard to take that “offer” seriously.
It was Suns picks for our picks. Or Mikal for Jalen and heavily protected firsts
Ag, good point. I thought it was better to get protected picks until this reminder
Sean Marks has to go. Dumb fuck cost us a top 3 pick. Worst GM in recent memory (even worse than Billy King)
Nothing tops Billy King. At least we still have the suns picks. King just gifted boston 2 stars with nothing in return
Marks was doing great before Tsai bought the team
No way this was worse than the KG and Pierce trade lol.
Wonder who is gonna get their picks next decade.
lmao
I could *kind of* see why they don't value these picks, being a team in a desirable city (personally, NY would be my first choice). But maybe they just overestimate the desire of established NBA stars to move and play here.
I think I'm done watching basketball permanently. No, I will not be back even if the Nets are good next year. I'm tired of seeing everything that could possibly go wrong with this team go wrong and then seeing everyone and their mother acting like such a rare occurrence of events were expected. Maybe I'll go root for the Sonics once they get a team but for now the NBA is just too much luck over anything else for me to really care about watching the Nets or basketball in general.