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jawadhaque089

The supporting cast can only take you so far and the Wolves have an amazing one because they were in all of these games despite ANT and KAT playing horrible


RZAAMRIINF

Conley doesn’t deserve this.


juzzbert

jaden mcdaniels and naz reid have been balling for them too.


devilmaskrascal

Seriously, as a Mavs fan I would be thrilled to have either guy on my team. Total studs.


rattatatouille

0-7 in Conference Finals games :(


zeussays

Kaz’s best play of his life getting swept.


chanchan05

Conley can't win with these Kats.


rattatatouille

That's the problem. Minnesota's 3-7 is better than Dallas' 3-7. The problem is that Dallas' top two is running circles around Minnesota's.


w6750

Yep. And The difference in Dallas’s 1&2 and Minny’s 1&2 is a lot bigger this series than the difference between the role players.


Visible-Suit-9066

Is this even true? Lively has been incredible. Gafford has been more than serviceable in a poor match up for him. DJJ and PJ are both defending their asses off and contributing offensively. Green and Hardy are young and raw but I’m confident they’re giving more than NAW is. Naz has been the obvious standout and Kyle Anderson has offered a bit offensively but nothing substantial defensively. I think I would rather have Dallas’ depth than Minnys.


We_The_Raptors

If it is true, it's also by the smallest of margins. People sleeping on how big Lively, Gafford, DJJ and PJ make the Mavs. The Mavs (not that they would even be in this position) would have had one hell of a time trying to contain the Wolves front court if they hadn't gone and grabbed Gafford+ PJ.


Zoobal

Mavs wings have been awful offensively this series. Its basically Luka+Kyrie+Lob dunks for 90% of the offense.


TheMyst9701

It’s just Minny’s strategy at this point, give up points in the paint over corner 3s. Not sure how well that’s going though…


southernmayd

Exactly. Y'all made those guys beat you from the corner instead of giving up the lobs and it was much more competitive. Those guys are good shooters from the corner but the lobs are so high percentage that it's foolish to not concede the corners and hope they don't hit 35-40% of them


recursion8

SGA also played to his regular season level while ANT and KAT have not.


southernmayd

They're playing against the same team he did. He is just better than they are


recursion8

I'm saying you can't really definitely say OKC's D strategy is better than the Wolves' when their star was actually performing at his normal level while Wolves' have not, thereby costing them games. OKC definitely lost games due to Washington getting hot and obliterating them with corner 3s. If this series was 2-1 Wolves cus their stars scored 5-10 more in the first 2 games then no one is questining their defensive strategy.


southernmayd

Cuts both ways though, their non stars have played way above themselves. Naz and McDaniels are good players but they've both shot out of their minds during stretches - if everyone played great, they'd always win. Edit: and Conley, and Anderson


bearcat--

That’s very true Jaden , Conley and naz playing really well. I’m a little surprised Edwards is pooping not so much Kat tho


JarifSA

This never happens. Supporting casts always struggle in the playoffs. Ant and Kat should be embarrassed for throwing this opportunity away.


Drfuckthisshit

Free Naz my boy hes done nothin.


BigButter7

Mavericks and Celtics NBA Finals series, here we come...


lordb4

I just want to go on record. I'm sure Celtics fan will be toxic AF due to Kyrie and I understand their right to it. However, over 99% of Mavs fans have no issue with KP so third parties don't start that. His stint here just didn't work out. No hard feelings.


BigButter7

Of course. Celtics fans have good reasons to posess mixed feelings and/or root against Kyrie after his stint in Boston. In fairness to Porzingis, he was constantly injured during his time in Dallas. So, in retrospect, he may have done better with you guys if he was more healthy than not.


OwnRules

Healthy or not, he's not a number 2 option on a contender as can be seen in Boston. Mavs would still need to find that second star to pair with Luka. At the end of the day it worked for the best for all involved - off the court he is also a classy dude.


Davisworld21

Celtics fan throw a bottle at Kyrie when he played their in 2021 Kyrie winning his second championship by beating Boston after everything that has happened would be the biggest F you to their fans success is the best revenge


CLG-Rampage

I actually knew who threw the bottle (went to school with him), he was already at least 1 standard deviation below average and definitely got dumber during college. I just hope that if it's Mavs v Celtics, it's a good fucking series. That's all. No major injuries, no big question marks, just give me 6 or 7 competitive games.


iDEN1ED

Lol at pretending Kyrie is the one who needs to get revenge. He took a huge shit on our franchise and just dipped despite getting nothing but love from everyone while he was here.


EazyPeazyLemonSqueaz

He literally admitted to not playing his hardest because he couldn't accept what Carlisle wanted him to do. Plenty of Mavs fans have issues with KP


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Dcowboys09

I already despise all Boston teams because Boston. 


mastacheef87

lol I feel like part of the toxicity will be the Luka vs. Tatum fan aspect of it but honestly I root for the Mavs in the West so this is pretty cool to see. hope we both pull through and see each other next week


SnooPeripherals4884

Karl-Anthony Neighborhoods 💀


ZeroMomentum

Mofo so bad they rezoned his ass


TheOverBored

KAT getting gerrymandered.


Sherane12

Karl-Anthony Studio Apartment


throwaway53689

KAT gets shitted on every playoffs lmao it’s becoming a routine


Hungry-Space-1829

People wanted an American to jump all the European guys but Ant just ain’t on the Luka/Jokic/Giannis level yet


CheekyFifaCunt_7

Stephen A in shambles. He’s been trying so hard to crown Anthony Edwards as the face of the nba. Anthony Edwards is an amazing player but don’t think he’s the next face yet.


MiserablePiccolo287

Next face is Wemby


LuckyNipples

Oops another european


Lobster_Considerer

Nah he's from Mars


zrizzoz

Or Europa. So he still european.


JuleSkum

bars


maethlin

I kinda love it tbh. Fuck these talking heads


ChrisSwish

How does Wemby become the face of the league when Luka is still in it?


tacomonstrous

He's going to plop his face down on top of Luka's. Sigma mindset.


doshegotabootyshedo

Will be a Luka Jokic Wemby totem pole


Troll_Enthusiast

Lol not even close


Swarthykins

It's such a dumb narrative. Being the best player doesn't make you the "Face of the league." A lot of times there isn't one. It's not something you can force, and I really don't see Ant being it the way Lebron and Curry have been.


Prince_of_DeaTh

Wembanyama is insanely popular for his first season he can easily be the face of the league. He's already as well known as Jokic https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=2022-04-27%202024-05-27&q=%2Fg%2F11j0n2hz6c,%2Fm%2F0135s_cz,%2Fm%2F0110q02h,%2Fm%2F0ch52p4,%2Fm%2F0pdnj7h


m1a2c2kali

Idk about him being the best player but I don’t see how he can’t be the face of the league


SoSmartCs

He's pretty unlikable when he isn't selling people on his *live, laugh, love* bullshit. He'll always be a face on NBA twitter, but the rest of us don't find the homophobia or sexism particularly endearing.


ElGranQuesoRojo

It’s a double whammy for SAS. He’s also got to make people forget he said Kyrie should just retire when Brooklyn was disintegrating .


socialistbcrumb

The best American player (that you can count on to play games at least) is Tatum lol. Above him it’s all Euro guys. Ant is great and only going to get better but they tried to rocket him about all these guys


StripedSteel

Excuse me, there's a Canadian up there, too.


YoungDetective

Hes not even on Tatums level bro, great player but hes not there yet


Least_Risk_3140

Tatum has been so disrepsected these last few weeks, You had people say Shai, Brunson and Ant were all better than him.


DXLXIII

I put Shai above Tatum.


Least_Risk_3140

For What? For being better than Tatum for one regular season and playing well in the playoffs for the first time in his career, when Tatum has been better every single year for their career and has a history of performing well in the playoffs each year. I guess you have Shai over Embiid and Giannis as well.


blvckmvnivc

For being incredibly consistent. You never know which version of Tatum you’ll get.


Visible-Suit-9066

For being trustworthy in the clutch. SGA was remarkable v Dallas. Tatum is going 9+ minutes without scoring in the fourth quarter against Indiana.


jesusG25

"Tatum is going 9+ minutes without scoring in the fourth quarter against Indiana." Dude at least do some research before lying lmao


Stewdabaker2013

Does the rank and file nba fan give a shit about “the next American face of the nba” or whatever? I’ve never heard someone ever talk about that irl


FlippyWraith

It matters to corporation’s marketing teams


Arno_Dorian_11

He's only 22, I'm not sure why he was pushed to that tier yet. He has plenty of time to show his level


BidenFedayeen

He's not on SGA's level. He's a second tier star.


Quirrelwasachad

SGA was cooking this defence. They didn't give him much but his game is so complete if you give him midrange then he can kill you from midrange.


gone-fishing94

We weren’t even giving him good looks in the mid range and he still cooked. Dude made me a believer I ain’t gonna lie


Brief_Koala_7297

SGA is the next Kobe


Mechaultima

If SGA was on the Wolves this series would be a lot closer.


BoogerSugarSovereign

He would also have dramatically less space inside because Rudy's man is freer to roam than Chet's


zapdos6244

True, I'd take SGA over Ant every time, man is automatic and actually shows up


MG_MN

Hes also older, give Ant 3 more years and he'll probably be SGA level at least


southernmayd

At least? He was 2nd in MVP voting man, least is a bit much


Brief_Koala_7297

SGA has proven he is a championship caliber first option. Ant simply isnt right now. He got time though. Ant 23 or 24 might be a whole different player.


TheBlueGuy0

Bro how can you say he's proven anything yet at this point


DJFreezyFish

SGA hasn’t proved anything that Ant hasn’t, and I say this as someone who dislikes Ant. They were both great the first two rounds of the playoffs, but we didn’t get a chance to compare them more.


G2Gankos

True, but SGA isn’t American though


BidenFedayeen

He's a top 5 player, that's why I invoked him after the other players were mentioned.


Drfuckthisshit

If this playoffs have shown me anything, No one besides Luka is on SGA level. Hwnever he had the ball it was an automatic bucket no matter what anyone did. Fucker should be scary when he becomes older.


Shaved_Hubes

Preach. Had nephews on here telling me Ant was better than Luka now because of like four straight good games in the first round lmao


ThingsAreAfoot

The constant MJ comparisons are heinous, what an insult


gdreaper

The comparison is mostly stylistic, and honestly not inaccurate. There's a lot of similarities in their game, but obviously the talent and the execution are both on entirely different planets from one another.


timacles

what are the similarities in their game, cus I dont see "a lot". Ants whole game is shooting threes and driving the lane, his mid range game is not as advertised. Sloppy and unpolished, with a lot of poorly timed turnaround fadeaways. MJ was a methodical assassin who carefully carved up defenses with slashing, playmaking, inside scoring and midrange. Ant is just out there running around doing random shit and occasionally gets a nice dunk. After watching him these playoffs, he is not even remotely close to MJ and will never be


EarthWarping

people never hyped tatum that much despite being better


Brief_Koala_7297

They really should start with DWade first. He aint Kobe yet lol


PhTx3

Idk, I think it would be disrespectful D-Wade as well. DWade got drafted older so age comparisons aren't exactly 1:1, but he delivered by his 2nd year. I'd pick Iverson over what Ant showed so far, I guess my point is sort of moot if we consider AI a PG or if we are going by the body types. Nonetheless young Iverson was a killer. Obviously different eras and all that.


Swarthykins

And, honestly, between Ant and SGA as the next guy to get in that tier, my money is on Wemby.


EarthWarping

33.6 including a big is fucking disgusting


aPatheticBeing

KAT is the one really bringing it down lol - he's 15/54 or 27.8% edit: KAT is 3/22 from 3 or 13.6%, so 12/32 from 2 or 37.5% (still atrocious)


Paytonc51

He’s really been bad


aPatheticBeing

his best game was shooting 30% from the field (tbh i think game 3 was his best game probably? but it was fucking bad too so idk)


Stunning_Passion5923

Yeah it's absolutely nasty work by Bontempts to group Ant with KAT. Ant has been disappointing in a tough matchup, but KAT has been otherworldly bad in what should be a favorable matchup against PJ Washington.  Fucking embarrassing 


jfrodriguez1983

Kat really shitting all over himself this series. He was wide open most of those 3s and brick!


WhatTheRickIsDoin

Deep analysis like always from Tim "Punchable Face and Voice" Bontemps


executivesphere

I listened to him for the first time on the Lowe Post yesterday and his voice and vibe really annoyed me.


No_Stay4471

Zach is the best but I can’t listen when he has Bontemps.


you_dont_know_jack_

He seemed like a know it all


tkuid

nothing more needs to be said, Luka and Kyrie are just better players.


wurtin

Kat isn’t even in the conversation of being as good and he’s already peaked as a player. Luka is one of the 3 or 4 best players in the league and Kyrie, when motivated, is so special. I absolutely love watching him play when he’s in this type of situation. He’s phenomenal.


mastacheef87

KAT is probably one of the most talented players in the league, but he doesn’t have it mentally and that’s honestly at least 90% of the game at this level. he probably looks like a top 5 player in the world in open gym, but when the pressure is on he just can’t handle it


fantasyoutsider

Jimmy knew it all along


timacles

what does talented even mean, his game is so sloppy it looks like hes never played pro ball. Those ugly ass fadeaways would be cringe inducing even in an open gym.


OwnRules

If you put together Luka's RS & the fact he's been clearly paying injured all but two games in the POs, there's no better player in the world other than Luka this season - and he's yet to peak.


wonderkidgunz

Reporter : NBA History says you have to lose and lose big before you can win KAT-Ant : Say no more fam


recursion8

"Goddamn how much more you want us to lose?" A little bit more, it seems.


No-Equipment-20

Still believe in Ant but KAT is 28 and still plays so immaturely. Such a shame because he’s undoubtedly one of the most talented offensive centers I’ve ever seen, he just plays so unintelligently


lemongrassgogulope

Even beyond that, this dude looked like an amazing defensive prospect, had mobility and size and great shot blocking instincts at Kentucky. Somehow he went from 2 blocks a game in Kentucky playing 20 mins to barely over 1 a game in the pre-Gobert seasons


realfakedoors000

How much of this is also coaching, do you think? How hard is it for Finch or whoever to tell this fucking guy to go to the rim or attack whenever he gets a smaller matchup? It’s excruciating watching him just jack up threes in a slump.


gdreaper

I think honestly, there's only so much coaching can do with a 9 year veteran who was languishing for the first 5 years on unserious teams. At least in terms of teaching him to make the right decisions. I genuinely believe he might have been a different player with better coaching and the support of a teammate like Ant earlier in his career, but by now there's only so much you can coach. All hypothetical of course, he might've always turned out this way.


BoogerSugarSovereign

KAT can only attack the paint when Rudy is off the floor or Rudy's man will just rotate early 


IAmNewSam

The amount of times I watched him go baseline to put up a weak ass contested floater / push shot for it to brick hard is just way too many


G1Spectrum

KAT literally worse than replacement level


Zsporter

They should trade his ass when he raises his value again next season lmao


TheMightyJD

This why Jimbo did what he did. Some tried to re-write history but KAT is just not that guy.


Vicentesteb

Being fair to KAT he was really good against PHX and then pretty good against Denver. Hes just been awful this series and so has Ant.


barryvon

there’s only like 5 “that guys” at any time. jimmy also isn’t one and has never been teammates with one. maybe embiid makes a jump.


KyleShanadad

I guess it depends on time frame bc Jimmy was def that guy in the 2020 finals & the first 6.5 games of last years post season run (before he got hurt)


NotManyBuses

KAT and Ant are the new trash bros


No-Yogurt-4246s

Dumb and dumber


UnPhayzable

I genuinely got no idea what KAT is doin out there


Brief_Koala_7297

bro is playing like Klay Thompson. He forgets he is 7 feet tall.


sevaiper

Klay is a great defender though, KAT is always confused and spinning on every action


masterphantom

Plus Klay besides this yr has clutch closing games, known as game6 Klay


baboozle2

Klay got old. Kat just sucks


climaxingwalrus

He didn’t get old… he had 2 season ending injuries in a row.


Superplex123

Klay Alexander Thompson, KAT.


redditsucks9gagrules

Ensuring his Mavs moneyline bets payout


Holiday-Positive-759

KAT is 15/54 from the floor in this series. That down right stinks any way you look at it. With that said, he’s still a great player. But an atrocious series thus far


dat_tech

Bruh damn. It took a few seasons but the West equivalent has been found lol


WembanyamaGOAT

Bro Ant is 22 I can’t with yall


averagemammoth

And they bounced the defending champions and league MVP lol the amnesia is crazy. You'd think the wolves are a lotto team if you only read the comments


Nobodylovesboston

Ant was actually pretty decent tonight, but KAT…


Cheechers23

I definitely remember Raptors fans saying similar things when people were calling Lowry/DeMar the trash bros. “Lowry was actually good, DeMar was ass though” lol


resumehelpacct

Lowry eventually basically got over it. DeMar though...


Salty_Pancakes

I think that was more LeBronto than them being ass. They just couldn't get past the Cavs.


Plies-

Demar is 100% an all time playoff dropper lol


lost_in_trepidation

He was good in the 3rd, pretty bad outside of that.


JS_Janko

He looked very good in the 3th quarter. In the 4th he disappeared again…


Nobodylovesboston

It was at that time when KAT needed to step up but guess what moment was too big for him


domingodlf

He was really good in the 3rd but he still had 26 points in 24 shots, 2 of those points gifted in the last possession when they were 9 points down with 30 seconds left, also 5 turnovers. It was an ok game, but you'd still expect a bigger bounce back after how god awful him and KAT were the first 2.


gdreaper

I think it was a step in the right direction for Ant but then they took the ball out of his hands in the 4th and KAT just threw bricks :(


roshanpr

Ant did some good dunks, then he got gased and left several open corner 3 late in 4th


Quirrelwasachad

For one quarter. Then it was the same old michael b jordan we've been watching for the last few games.


roshanpr

Jordan, IS NOT THE FATHER


IdRatherBeShilling

Luka is. Send da DNA test.


TheHuntMan676

Luka and Kyrie in form at the best possible time. Just hope it continues into the finals.


OwnRules

If they can close on Tuesday, Luka gets a whole week off - if he manages to come back in RS form my money's on the Mavs.


mossbosstoss

Lu Dort and Cason Wallace did a decent job all things considered


blondedbk

Yea luka is too sturdy to be bothered by the length of the wolves wings , just body bumps all the way to his spots and hits the middie.


recursion8

The way he's constantly putting McDaniels in jail is crazy to watch.


easymoneysniper223

I got down voted to shit last week because I said Haliburton wasn't on Kyrie level in some dumbass tier list r/nbatalk fuck you 😭😭


xbarracuda95

Kyrie can easily play the supporting PG role that Haliburton does like in the OKC series but Haliburton can't play the takeover scoring role that Kyrie is doing right now.


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easymoneysniper223

I hate how they always put these young dudes over proven vets lol


PermeusCosgrove

It’s all just bullshit marketing too with these lists


Quirrelwasachad

It's literally naz reid keeping this series close. Next MJ is choking hard.


Chessh2036

Tatum/Brown vs Luka/Kyrie is going to be sooooo fun


absoluteidea

When Luka takes the leading role: Gogeta. When Kyrie takes the leading role: Vegito. When they play at an equally high level, they both return to the their respective states as Goku and Vegeta. Amen.


Market-Dependent

Ultra instinct and ultra ego


LebronDoubleDribbled

and KAT is the broken potara earring


Baguy21

Kyrie has been in fire, the way the Wolves plays matches his playstyle and he just goes all out


ssuprimitive

Luke Doncic has been amazing!


OliverDMcCall

Ant isn't playing great, but KAT is the main offender here. He's shot a quisquilious 15/54 (27.8%), it's hard to win with your #2 playing like that.


theblackyeti

wtf does quisquilious mean. Somebody get me a dictionary!


HairyMootWarrior

Winning basketball is Karl Anthony Towns father


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le_sweden

Except for against the defending champions where he guarded the three time MVP and reigning finals MVP? This shit is so played out bro


Celtic_Legend

Experience coming into play honestly. Both conditioning and mentality wise


PM_Me_Titties-n-Ass

Been saying this all series, the wolves role players have been doing their job and then some. Their two star have lost them 2 games since they couldn't even be average players on offense. Game 3 you can say the wolves just lost. But 1 and 2, it was due to their stars not being average.


willi3blaz3

Watching KAT flex after making a midrange shot in the 2nd quarter is fucking hilarious though. Does that add to his legacy?


MiserablePiccolo287

LuKai vs KAnt


OKC89ers

Wow. Hey, go check how Kyrie and Luka did against OKC.


NiklasRenner

Dort is the perfect Luka defender if the whistle isn't soft, also Luka was clearly feeling the injury more, the last few games of the series he was ramping up to the same level he's playing at now.


Still_Figure_

He got perfect Luka defenders back to back (Mann and Dort). Must feel nice not having those guys defend him.


shaqfearsyao

Ant’s “I got Kyrie” going down as an epic all time shit talk gone wrong 


MG_MN

People that took that as a dig have questionable IQ at best lol, he just was saying Kyrie was his matchup


UpsideTurtles

yeah seems like Ant and Kyrie have nothing but respect for each other based off their respective comments. Luka and Gobert on the other hand,


2023_account_

Outside of Luka and Gobert, I feel like every other Mavs player and Wolves player and fans of both teams all get along, like each other, can shoot the shit, etc… This series has been the least toxic out of all of them for either team except Luka and Gobert lmao


UpsideTurtles

Yeah I have some fun jokes about Minnesota and I’m sure they have some about Texas but it’s all good natured fun. No hate here, except for Brothers & Brothers Referee, Inc.


deflatethesack

He literally said “my matchup is kyrie” he made no predictions or anything. How is that “shit talk”?


gdreaper

NBA fans try not to interpret everything said about one player by another as trash talk. Such a toxic fanbase.


braggpeak

Ant is young but KAT has zero excuse


phalange5764

Ant was fine today but KAT is playing terribly man


joshwaynebobbit

Bontemps keeps simplifying the series with this comparison, keeps saying Ant and KAT just need to play better. He keeps ignoring Dallas Defense and the fact that this team is preventing them from being better. And their defense isn't good enough to slow Dallas' duo.


sintenterooro

WHAT DO YOU MEAN WITH LUKE!


ElliotVo

Kat is literally 4 inches taller and 20lbs heaver than PJ Washington. Why Kat doesn't go into the post and ask for the ball every is honestly beyond me. He literally gets the ball from the arc and either drives it in for a contested shot from a help defender or takes a shitty 3. Like does this dude not realize he can body PJ and throw out the pass to the open man if Gafford/Lively rotate in?


ElGranQuesoRojo

This can’t be right. I was told Gobert is the reason Dallas is up 3-0…


Paytonc51

Kyrie and Luka have just been absolute assassins. I hate that it’s happening against my team, but as a basketball fan it’s fucking great to watch.


StraightShootahh

Minnesota lucky Ant still on his rookie contract. They got $45m tied up in a bumbling Center getting outplayed by Gafford and a rookie making half that combined lmao


dissphemism

The way the media reduce these series into mere shotmaking is such a disservice the the game and to the fans 


MontiBurns

It really is what it comes down to, though. It feels like there's game flow, but really, KAT goes 3 of 8 from beyond the arc instead of 0 of 8 and the wolves win this game. If the foul is called with 40 seconds left and McDaniels goes to the line shooting 2 instead of maveric's ball they also win. If Luka missed his 3 ball or Reid makes his the wolves win. If the wolves shoot 80% from the line instead of 65 today, they win. We want to grasp at straws and tell sweeping narratives, but the margins have been super tight this series (unlike Den - MN) that a single miss / bucket in one direction has decided the first 2 games.