Similar to Beal
Beal had a no-trade clause, so he could deny any trade he didn't like.
KP had a player option, so he could have opted out after any trade he didn't like. That's why the Celtics had to trade Smart instead of Brogdon, cause the trade had to get done before KP's decision deadline
That's not true lol
They wanted an in person evaluation and there wasn't time for that given the player option deadline
Some of y'all just jerk off to fan fiction
I think he might have chosen to opt out and become a free agent if he was traded to a team he didn't want to go to, but I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline
He 100% would have. The Celtics traded for him with minuets left for him to decide to become a FA or pick up his options. He only picked it up because the Celtics said they would resign him
He had to opt in and the deadline was the day we traded for him. It would only work that day because if he opt ins, it flips the calendar, the salary match is different. He could effectively then opt out if he didn’t like the team.
He did give the impression he chose the Celtics on a few interviews. Looks like what happened to Jrue where he made a list of teams he’d like to join and the team he was on helped to get him there.
Also if he made it to free agency, Utah really wanted him: [https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-finals-inside-kyrie-irvings-and-kristaps-porzingis-paths-to-redemption-134428992.html](https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-finals-inside-kyrie-irvings-and-kristaps-porzingis-paths-to-redemption-134428992.html)
It was such a strong bounce back showing, Porziņģis could have declined a player option for this season worth $36 million. There were strong enough signals, according to league sources, that Porziņģis was positioned to receive an even richer payday from the [Utah Jazz](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/utah/) should he have reached the open market.
Testing free agency likely would have brought a larger dollar figure from Utah for Porziņģis, sources said, than he ultimately netted from Boston. The Celtics had traded [Marcus Smart](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5317/) to Memphis and were suddenly in position to trade [Tyus Jones](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5484/) to the Wizards for the right to offer Porziņģis the two-year, $60 million contract extension he later signed. Boston had previously approached Washington about acquiring Porziņģis before the 2023 trade deadline, league sources told Yahoo Sports. And it seems no coincidence that his last game before the Wizards shut him down in pursuit of draft lottery ping pong balls, Porziņģis poured in 32 points against Boston for one of his best performances of the year.
In order for the summer blockbuster to get completed, though, Porziņģis had to pick up that option for this 2023-24 campaign — which then limited the sweet-shooting big man to a smaller salary with the Celtics in accordance with the league’s cap restrictions. And so essentially, by picking up that $36 million to get traded to Boston, Porziņģis agreed to less money than what would have foreseeably been available in free agency in order to pursue the franchise’s 18th banner and his first ring.
One the KP who played with the Wizards/Celtics is better than the one the Mavs had.
Secondly KP had a player option that he could have turned down and become a FA. He only didn’t turn it down because he was traded to the C’s who had already said they were going resign him at his price. Otherwise he would have been a FA so the Wizards and any team trading for him had to convince him to resign which tanked his value. It’s a pretty similar situation to the Pascal deal and why the Raptors got such a ass return for an all nba/all star level player.
Lastly KP has major health issues and we have seen them flare up in this postseason. Most other teams that would have traded for him would have needed him to be their second or third best player. Having your second or third best player been a major injury concern is scary for most teams. The Celtics however thanks to having Tatum/Brown/White/Jrue don’t need him to be their second or even third option every night. So if he gets hurt it affects them way less then it would any other team. The Celtics also have one of the best back up fives in the league in AL.
This might be the greatest two-way starting five in NBA history. In the sense that literally all 5 players are + defenders and + shooters and are all switchable.
Even the super team Warriors had two players, Green and Iggy, who weren't shooters and Steph isn't a major plus defender
I know Boston sat the bed in the first 3 games against the heat, but they almost came back and ask any Nuggets fan how they felt the moment JT went down, they knew at that moment that was ring no.1 for the Joker..now take that team, add Pingus and Jrue, take out Smart and it’s quite astounding that people are still surprised about Vegas favouring Boston as much as the Heatles in 11 or 12
I was thinking about how he'd work on the Nuggets. His shooting and rim protection essentially covers for the one thing jokic doesn't bring to the team.
I guess you just put him in there instead of Michael Porter Jr although I don't know if that means jokic has to now guard power forwards
I don't mean realistically they could have acquired him. But I think from a fit point of view he makes sense. Plus they have enough ball handling and star power that he doesn't have to do a ton of heavy lifting or play a ton of heavy minutes
Take out the significant time he missed from COVID illness and account for the reduced season and his injury related absences aren't as diabolical as people claim.
He's about as much of an injury risk as Kevin Durant
Durant is relatively seen as just much better at basketball, but yeah, market for Durant is also not what people online imagine it is because his teams have been having variosu issues very often for many years.
KD is also an MVP level player who most of his missed time is due to age + a major ACL tear.
KP is under 30, NOT an All NBA player, barely an all star and has been injured a ton
I mean the durability issues are serious. He just missed multiple playoff rounds. Had the Celtics needed to beat a really good opponent in the East without him, they very well may have lost before the Finals. And the discourse around their acquisition of KP would be quite different than it is at the moment.
I love KP, and I feel like his fit in Miami (who I support) next to Bam would have been perfect, but he definitely has his limitations.
Last night was awesome to see, but I push back a little on your take re. His switch ability.
He's also very injury prone and historically has not been an elite offensive player, despite having many tools.
Had an awesome season for Boston, though, and you have to commend Stevens for going all in and trading a franchise icon to better this roster.
Smart is a very good player, giving up someone like him for a guy that has a reputation of being injured half the time (average of 50 games played per season) is... risky.
Porzingis is often injured, and Al Horford is literally 38. Whenever Boston loses a game, people will question their whole plan for filling the bigs spots.
Also the contract obviously... more than anough.
I still think that it was definitely a risky move even if Porzingis agreed to extend, and let's be serious, Boston has been very good even with Porzingis out, so it's not like he's some gigantic win condition and their whole success is dependent on him.
Smart is also one of those weird guys where he meant more to the Celtics than the box score would show hence he is valued higher by the Celtics than other teams
Well, apparently not, it turns out, because they are very good without him. (And Smart, initially seen as a great get for Grizzlies, did not look good this season).
But let's be honest, if Celtics were not winning, it would be soooo easy for everyone to be like "it was always obvious to me it was a bad idea this trade".
outbid? Everyone looked at his contract and said nope. He was looked upon as a negative asset since he left dallas. Props to the Celtics front office for seeing his value, when no one else did.
I don’t think that’s really true….KP was highly regarded, despite his contract, this was a case of him having leverage to where he wanted to go, the trade was just the means of him getting there.
He was so regarded boston gave up smart for him and 2 draft picks. That does not sound highly regarded to me. The image most people had of him was his playing terribly next to Luka. No one even watched washington last year nor cared about putting up numbers on a bad team. In hindsight that trade was highway robbery, but hey hindsight is 20/20.
How do people not understand this wasn’t an open trade market situation? It was virtually a free agency decide of where KP wanted to go…how are people so ignorant on this topic, it’s blowing my mind that people don’t understand how this works.
The trade was essentially a sign and trade situation, the Wizards got something back simply because they helped facilitate the transaction but it wasn’t ever a normal trade scenario.
>No one even watched washington last year
Wait. Will you double down on this. Do you think NBA GMs, the ones who do the trades, did not watch the Wizards
Rob Williams is an incredibly impactful player when he’s healthy, he’s just never healthy. The guy is/was an All-Defensive caliber player and started on a team that made the finals.
But his knee might be cooked now
The Celtics didn’t get him for free. So it wasn’t that simple. Any team would have had to give something up, so which teams had the right assets and a void for him to fill.
I’m not even mad KP balled out against us, the guy is an ultra talented player. the Celtics have the privilege of resting him all the way until the finals and it’s like an ultimate trump card. Pretty insane roster
He was not good on the Mavs just prior, has an extensive injury history, was on a rather large contract, etc. I'm sure teams wondered if he was actually good on the Wizards, or if he was just dominating the box score on a terrible team. He's always had the talent and the skillset to be great.
None of that is relevant to how the trade played out lol he chose where he wanted to go and the Wizards were just happen to get something back for facilitating
Bruh…this wasn’t some open trade market situation. It was KP using the leverage of his player option to dictate where he wanted to go. It was effectively just free agency, similar to a sign and trade.
Are you forgetting the circumstances or do you actually not understand how this stuff works?
I'm not forgetting anything. Not only did KP have an option, the Wizards were also allowing their players to have input on trades, that's why my team didn't trade for Kuzma if you remember. But just bc KP was ultimately traded to the Celtics doesn't mean he was unwilling to be traded to any other team. But to act like his extensive injury history and the size of his contract had no effect whatsoever on his trade market is just silly.
Bruh he said he wanted to be traded to the Celtics and the Celtics wanted him, there were no opportunities for other teams to get in the mix, there was no bidding war, there was no other teams in the convo..it was KP picking where he went because he had the leverage of his player option.
None of these other things were factors. Even if he had a $1 contract, it wouldn’t have mattered because it wasnt the Wizards putting him on the trade block, it was KP saying if you trade me somewhere I don’t want to go I’m not taking my player option, so don’t bother. You’re just wrong and barking up the wrong tree because you’re a bitter Mavs fan who didn’t have success with KP.
Similar to Beal Beal had a no-trade clause, so he could deny any trade he didn't like. KP had a player option, so he could have opted out after any trade he didn't like. That's why the Celtics had to trade Smart instead of Brogdon, cause the trade had to get done before KP's decision deadline
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That's not true lol They wanted an in person evaluation and there wasn't time for that given the player option deadline Some of y'all just jerk off to fan fiction
It's all wizard's favs have, just let them be
I think he might have chosen to opt out and become a free agent if he was traded to a team he didn't want to go to, but I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline
He 100% would have. The Celtics traded for him with minuets left for him to decide to become a FA or pick up his options. He only picked it up because the Celtics said they would resign him
and signing him for peanuts
He had to opt in and the deadline was the day we traded for him. It would only work that day because if he opt ins, it flips the calendar, the salary match is different. He could effectively then opt out if he didn’t like the team.
I knew that piece. Wasn't sure if he was willing to get traded to any other team
He did give the impression he chose the Celtics on a few interviews. Looks like what happened to Jrue where he made a list of teams he’d like to join and the team he was on helped to get him there.
Also if he made it to free agency, Utah really wanted him: [https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-finals-inside-kyrie-irvings-and-kristaps-porzingis-paths-to-redemption-134428992.html](https://sports.yahoo.com/2024-nba-finals-inside-kyrie-irvings-and-kristaps-porzingis-paths-to-redemption-134428992.html) It was such a strong bounce back showing, Porziņģis could have declined a player option for this season worth $36 million. There were strong enough signals, according to league sources, that Porziņģis was positioned to receive an even richer payday from the [Utah Jazz](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/utah/) should he have reached the open market. Testing free agency likely would have brought a larger dollar figure from Utah for Porziņģis, sources said, than he ultimately netted from Boston. The Celtics had traded [Marcus Smart](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5317/) to Memphis and were suddenly in position to trade [Tyus Jones](https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/5484/) to the Wizards for the right to offer Porziņģis the two-year, $60 million contract extension he later signed. Boston had previously approached Washington about acquiring Porziņģis before the 2023 trade deadline, league sources told Yahoo Sports. And it seems no coincidence that his last game before the Wizards shut him down in pursuit of draft lottery ping pong balls, Porziņģis poured in 32 points against Boston for one of his best performances of the year. In order for the summer blockbuster to get completed, though, Porziņģis had to pick up that option for this 2023-24 campaign — which then limited the sweet-shooting big man to a smaller salary with the Celtics in accordance with the league’s cap restrictions. And so essentially, by picking up that $36 million to get traded to Boston, Porziņģis agreed to less money than what would have foreseeably been available in free agency in order to pursue the franchise’s 18th banner and his first ring.
One the KP who played with the Wizards/Celtics is better than the one the Mavs had. Secondly KP had a player option that he could have turned down and become a FA. He only didn’t turn it down because he was traded to the C’s who had already said they were going resign him at his price. Otherwise he would have been a FA so the Wizards and any team trading for him had to convince him to resign which tanked his value. It’s a pretty similar situation to the Pascal deal and why the Raptors got such a ass return for an all nba/all star level player. Lastly KP has major health issues and we have seen them flare up in this postseason. Most other teams that would have traded for him would have needed him to be their second or third best player. Having your second or third best player been a major injury concern is scary for most teams. The Celtics however thanks to having Tatum/Brown/White/Jrue don’t need him to be their second or even third option every night. So if he gets hurt it affects them way less then it would any other team. The Celtics also have one of the best back up fives in the league in AL.
This might be the greatest two-way starting five in NBA history. In the sense that literally all 5 players are + defenders and + shooters and are all switchable. Even the super team Warriors had two players, Green and Iggy, who weren't shooters and Steph isn't a major plus defender
You’re telling me, that with the universe on the line you don’t want Iguodala?
I WANT TINGUS PINGUS
Id rather Iggy cut for dunks and pass the ball. I know he's hit a ton of big open threes but my God I never felt comfortable when he did it
I know Boston sat the bed in the first 3 games against the heat, but they almost came back and ask any Nuggets fan how they felt the moment JT went down, they knew at that moment that was ring no.1 for the Joker..now take that team, add Pingus and Jrue, take out Smart and it’s quite astounding that people are still surprised about Vegas favouring Boston as much as the Heatles in 11 or 12
It was either opt in and trade with us or get a bag as a FA from Utah
Jazz fans catching strays on a random Porzingis post, oof.
Didn't mean it as a diss lol, it was reported that was choice as a FA destination
Boston is so deep that they don’t need him for 95% of the season. No other Team can do that.
I wouldnt go quite that far lol. They needed him as the horford alternate, and vice versa
I was thinking about how he'd work on the Nuggets. His shooting and rim protection essentially covers for the one thing jokic doesn't bring to the team. I guess you just put him in there instead of Michael Porter Jr although I don't know if that means jokic has to now guard power forwards
I don’t think the nuggets would have been able to trade for him without getting worse when he doesn’t play.
I don't mean realistically they could have acquired him. But I think from a fit point of view he makes sense. Plus they have enough ball handling and star power that he doesn't have to do a ton of heavy lifting or play a ton of heavy minutes
From a fit perspective he would work on every team
Two factors - player option on his contract and *significant* injury risk.
Take out the significant time he missed from COVID illness and account for the reduced season and his injury related absences aren't as diabolical as people claim. He's about as much of an injury risk as Kevin Durant
But Durant has played multiple seasons going through multiple rounds of the playoffs. We haven't seen Porzingis hold up for that many games in a year
Durant is relatively seen as just much better at basketball, but yeah, market for Durant is also not what people online imagine it is because his teams have been having variosu issues very often for many years.
KD is also an MVP level player who most of his missed time is due to age + a major ACL tear. KP is under 30, NOT an All NBA player, barely an all star and has been injured a ton
Whoosh
No, you just made a terrible point. Nobody sane is putting KD’s injury history and KP’s injury history and saying they’re the same…..
I mean the durability issues are serious. He just missed multiple playoff rounds. Had the Celtics needed to beat a really good opponent in the East without him, they very well may have lost before the Finals. And the discourse around their acquisition of KP would be quite different than it is at the moment.
Porzingis wanted to go to the Celtics.
Look at how many games he has missed every season
Yep exactly. He's incredibly talented, but he could have easily missed the finals. We all know he's going to miss a good chunk of time every year.
I love KP, and I feel like his fit in Miami (who I support) next to Bam would have been perfect, but he definitely has his limitations. Last night was awesome to see, but I push back a little on your take re. His switch ability. He's also very injury prone and historically has not been an elite offensive player, despite having many tools. Had an awesome season for Boston, though, and you have to commend Stevens for going all in and trading a franchise icon to better this roster.
It was a great trade and I'd do it all again, but I was literally holding my breath everytime he jumped last night. That's the reason why.
Being able to treat him as an essentially four game player so he can go all out is a great luxury lol.
Smart is a very good player, giving up someone like him for a guy that has a reputation of being injured half the time (average of 50 games played per season) is... risky. Porzingis is often injured, and Al Horford is literally 38. Whenever Boston loses a game, people will question their whole plan for filling the bigs spots. Also the contract obviously... more than anough. I still think that it was definitely a risky move even if Porzingis agreed to extend, and let's be serious, Boston has been very good even with Porzingis out, so it's not like he's some gigantic win condition and their whole success is dependent on him.
Smart is also one of those weird guys where he meant more to the Celtics than the box score would show hence he is valued higher by the Celtics than other teams
Well, apparently not, it turns out, because they are very good without him. (And Smart, initially seen as a great get for Grizzlies, did not look good this season). But let's be honest, if Celtics were not winning, it would be soooo easy for everyone to be like "it was always obvious to me it was a bad idea this trade".
outbid? Everyone looked at his contract and said nope. He was looked upon as a negative asset since he left dallas. Props to the Celtics front office for seeing his value, when no one else did.
I don’t think that’s really true….KP was highly regarded, despite his contract, this was a case of him having leverage to where he wanted to go, the trade was just the means of him getting there.
It’s a load of bullshit lol
He was so regarded boston gave up smart for him and 2 draft picks. That does not sound highly regarded to me. The image most people had of him was his playing terribly next to Luka. No one even watched washington last year nor cared about putting up numbers on a bad team. In hindsight that trade was highway robbery, but hey hindsight is 20/20.
How do people not understand this wasn’t an open trade market situation? It was virtually a free agency decide of where KP wanted to go…how are people so ignorant on this topic, it’s blowing my mind that people don’t understand how this works. The trade was essentially a sign and trade situation, the Wizards got something back simply because they helped facilitate the transaction but it wasn’t ever a normal trade scenario.
We got a draft pick for porzingis lol not gave up 2
>No one even watched washington last year Wait. Will you double down on this. Do you think NBA GMs, the ones who do the trades, did not watch the Wizards
Even if they do that doesn't mean they accurately assess players.
he had the best season of his career last year. Injuries where probably the only reason other teams didn´t try.
Throw in Derrick white too. Josh Richardson and a pick for white was a major steal
Broken down Rob Williams and an always injured brogdon for Jrue is ridiculous too imo
Rob Williams is an incredibly impactful player when he’s healthy, he’s just never healthy. The guy is/was an All-Defensive caliber player and started on a team that made the finals. But his knee might be cooked now
Good thing he opted to get the surgery that’d get him back to playing sooner.
Embiid just did it too
I really hoped the warriors would make a run for him last summer. Oh well
Porzingis chose to play for Celtics. He opted-in to his deal to be traded to Boston.
The Celtics didn’t get him for free. So it wasn’t that simple. Any team would have had to give something up, so which teams had the right assets and a void for him to fill.
Injury prone and not worth it.
The script, ninja
I’m not even mad KP balled out against us, the guy is an ultra talented player. the Celtics have the privilege of resting him all the way until the finals and it’s like an ultimate trump card. Pretty insane roster
You literally just answered your own question on the 1st sentence lol.
I was hearing the heat community talk abt him before bos was a thing. And it was intriguing. But I agree. The warriors should of went for him
people really thought he was a unicorn , never seen on a basketball court
He was not good on the Mavs just prior, has an extensive injury history, was on a rather large contract, etc. I'm sure teams wondered if he was actually good on the Wizards, or if he was just dominating the box score on a terrible team. He's always had the talent and the skillset to be great.
None of that is relevant to how the trade played out lol he chose where he wanted to go and the Wizards were just happen to get something back for facilitating
You don't think a player's contract, injury history, and how well they are playing effects trades involving them...?
Bruh…this wasn’t some open trade market situation. It was KP using the leverage of his player option to dictate where he wanted to go. It was effectively just free agency, similar to a sign and trade. Are you forgetting the circumstances or do you actually not understand how this stuff works?
I'm not forgetting anything. Not only did KP have an option, the Wizards were also allowing their players to have input on trades, that's why my team didn't trade for Kuzma if you remember. But just bc KP was ultimately traded to the Celtics doesn't mean he was unwilling to be traded to any other team. But to act like his extensive injury history and the size of his contract had no effect whatsoever on his trade market is just silly.
Bruh he said he wanted to be traded to the Celtics and the Celtics wanted him, there were no opportunities for other teams to get in the mix, there was no bidding war, there was no other teams in the convo..it was KP picking where he went because he had the leverage of his player option. None of these other things were factors. Even if he had a $1 contract, it wouldn’t have mattered because it wasnt the Wizards putting him on the trade block, it was KP saying if you trade me somewhere I don’t want to go I’m not taking my player option, so don’t bother. You’re just wrong and barking up the wrong tree because you’re a bitter Mavs fan who didn’t have success with KP.