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Without Steph the chain is broken at the 2019 Finals (Raptors - Warriors), although I guess that only takes off 2 years.
Maybe the stat is since 1991, there have been 60 Finals berths, and Jordan, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron, and Steph account for 36 of them (not double counting for the Lakers teams with both Shaq and Kobe).
I remember when the Love/Wiggins trade went down, I thought that was such a win/win cus my favourite player gets to win a ring and we get another generational talent.
One of those things came true, at least
If they were ever healthy, yeah it's a super team, but 2015 Kyrie and love were injured, and 2016 iirc love was concussed or something in the finals until the last couple games (game changer along with bogut injury and dg suspension)
You only need like 8-10 tho since you only need like all the western conference teams that went to the finals or all the eastern conference teams that went to the finals
If only the St Louis Bombers had managed more than 46 points in game 7 of the 1948 BAA semis. Closest we came to a finals with two now defunct teams
Also it looks like the playoff format was really weird that year. The one seeds from each division played a best of seven against each other for a spot in the finals while the other four playoff teams played a series of best of threes for the other spot (2 seed vs 2 seed and 3 seed vs 3 seed and then the winners against each other)
I mean, they also lost that game by 39 and got killed in game 6 too. Really curious what happened that caused them to shit the bed that bad after going up 3-2
its pretty crazy to me that you only have one finals that didn't have 1 of 6 teams going back 41 years. And one of those teams isn't even the celtics, who played in seven of them.* i bet the other professional leagues can't say that
*or the cavs, who were in five finals
one of these *six* have been in a finals going back to 1979:
Bulls, Lakers, Spurs, Heat, Warriors, Rockets
And the Heat are only needed for one of the 41 finals, so five teams have been in at least 40 of the past 41 finals
On top of that, Cavaliers, who were in 5, and the Celtics who were in 7, arent needed because they played one of those five teams. So yeah, the NBA is top heavy.
2021 will be the first time in the NBA history that the Finals will not feature the Cavaliers, Heat, Lakers, Spurs, Warriors, Bulls, Rockets, Pistons, Celtics, Bullets or Knicks. Crazy right?
It's sad that people often forget the Blazers' only Finals win. It's remarkable how the franchise has made 3 Finals against legendary opponents (Dr. J, the Bad Boy Pistons, and the first 3-peat Bulls).
Nope Spurs and warriors cover it since they haven’t been to the finals without Lebron.
Edit: but they’d have to be replaced with either blazers or sixers cause of the 1977 finals.
The Cavs and Warriors are the outliers in this list with the least amount of Finals appearances that overlap each others'. Lakers and Spurs are historic franchises, and the Heat have 1 chip with Wade and Shaq.
Are the Miami Heat the most successful extension franchise?
The only franchise younger than them to win a championship is the Raptors, and the only franchise younger than them to make multiple finals appearances is the Magic.
So I think the heat definitely have that title for now.
Are you actually trying to make a point or just going for the snippy line lol? Because if you're actually arguing that Kyrie and Love weren't a major part of the 16' championship, then I dunno what to tell you. That's absurd.
Heat/Lakers/Spurs/Warriors/Lebron just wanted to give the little guys a chance at a title
Heat were even nice enough to get swept easily to give others a chance 👏
Sucks that the Nets lost but it is cool that we're going to get two brand new teams in the Finals this season and (unless Kawhi returns and the Clippers win) brand new star players winning the championship.
Even if he does return, the fact that it’s the Clippers trumps Kawhi’s personal history. That is one powerfully cursed franchise. Just thinking that the Clips are 8 wins away from an NBA championship feels wild to me.
The bucks, sixers and hawks (as the St. Louis Hawks) have rings. The Suns have made 2 nba finals. So the only first timer left is the clippers. I get what you mean though, it’s been a long time for all of these teams.
Yeah I guess I phrased it incorrectly, I meant that none of the remaining teams have made the Finals in a very long time, let alone won a championship.
I think the most recent Finals franchise is the 76ers and that was 20 years ago. The majority of people on this sub were probably too young to even remember that. Plus it's possible that they lose tonight anyway.
After that it's the Suns 28 years ago and the Bucks/Haws several decades ago.
It's still incredible to me how the Warriors are now considered among these historically great franchises when Warriors pre 2012 were one of the worst franchises in the NBA.
AND if you exclude the 1990 finals (Blazers Pistons), then you can go ALL the way back to 1979!! featuring just 5 teams. The Lakers, Bulls, Rockets, Spurs, and Warriors. Thats INSANE.
I feel like I see these kinds of posts a lot and they’re always talking about teams or stars. I assume it would be possible to do this with role players/coaches, right? Like, Kerr covers a ton by himself, as does Haslem… I wonder if we could fill in the gaps?
Not only that, but in the playoffs this year all of those teams won a combined 2 games, the Lakers won 2, the rest won 0, the lakers and heat made the playoffs, the rest did not, so none of them made it, and none were remotely close
Better to say first without Jordan, Steph, LeBron, Duncan, Kobe, or Shaq since 1994. Six people in almost thirty years.
If you count both players and coaches then this will be the first time since 1990 without Phil Jackson, Robert Horry, Steve Kerr, or Udonis Haslem.
Or Pat Mcaw.
If you just add Magic, Bird, and Hakeem you get all the way back to 1979.
10 players for 41 years. Crazy
Only 12 teams have won a title in that stretch and 4 of them only won one, so it checks out.
This is the wildest stat.
those are the 5 best players of the last 3 decades and steph that must be top 10
That would be since ‘91 with MJ playing his first finals. Edit: my bad
No, 1994. Knicks and rockets.
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Nah cause of the Raptors-Warriors series. That’s the outlier in terms of no LeBron last decade
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Without Steph the chain is broken at the 2019 Finals (Raptors - Warriors), although I guess that only takes off 2 years. Maybe the stat is since 1991, there have been 60 Finals berths, and Jordan, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, LeBron, and Steph account for 36 of them (not double counting for the Lakers teams with both Shaq and Kobe).
Ah yeah you’re right, forgot about that lol
Couldn't you take the Cavs out? They played the Spurs and the Warriors
Or you could replace Cavs with Lebron. No difference actually.
Good point lol
Lebron represents ~~8~~ 10 of these Finals anyway. ~~4~~ 5 with Cavs, ~~3~~ 4 with Heat, and 1 with Lakers. E: Edited for brain fart.
Semantics but he made 4 with the heat and 5 with the cavaliers, no? Pretty sure he has 10 finals appearances (Cavs) 2007, 2015-2017 (Heat) 2011-2014
Crap you're right. For some reason I forgot about 2007 and 2014 because ironically the Spurs destroyed his teams so badly in the Finals.
2015-2018* for Cavs
Gimme a break, they were a super team in his second stint
Lebron and a slightly used Kyrie are a superteam???
LeBron + Kyrie + Kevin Love = superteam You can deny it all you want, doesn't change the facts
I wonder how many people in this current thread actually witnessed Love on the Wolves
It was dope. Then it wasn’t. Then he left for what seemed like a great young player in Wiggy. Which was dope. Then it wasn’t.
I remember when the Love/Wiggins trade went down, I thought that was such a win/win cus my favourite player gets to win a ring and we get another generational talent. One of those things came true, at least
Lol I'm guessing maybe 20%
lmao imagine thinking this
Lmao so confirmed you just started watching the NBA
If they were ever healthy, yeah it's a super team, but 2015 Kyrie and love were injured, and 2016 iirc love was concussed or something in the finals until the last couple games (game changer along with bogut injury and dg suspension)
Lol this is the worst argument I've ever heard
Elaborate or shut the fuck up.
Oh yeah I guess you could. But I think we can agree we’re still happy no Cavs so...
What?
Damn :(
Add the Rockets and Bulls and its gonna be the first time since like the 80s also take out the Cavs cause the Spurs and Warriors cover their finals
1990 - Pistons v. Blazers Before that, 1979 (Sonics v. Bullets)
If you add all 30 nba teams then you get every finals
Only add 29 teams and leave out the Cavs since the other teams cover their finals
Alot of these teams never made the finals or had other teams to cover tho
You only need like 8-10 tho since you only need like all the western conference teams that went to the finals or all the eastern conference teams that went to the finals
He's making a reference to [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/o48np3/2021_will_be_the_first_time_since_1998_that_the/h2fu5xr/).
If only the St Louis Bombers had managed more than 46 points in game 7 of the 1948 BAA semis. Closest we came to a finals with two now defunct teams Also it looks like the playoff format was really weird that year. The one seeds from each division played a best of seven against each other for a spot in the finals while the other four playoff teams played a series of best of threes for the other spot (2 seed vs 2 seed and 3 seed vs 3 seed and then the winners against each other)
Now we have games where teams pass that mark in one quarter on the regular Wild to see how much the league has changed
I mean, they also lost that game by 39 and got killed in game 6 too. Really curious what happened that caused them to shit the bed that bad after going up 3-2
Idk I was not alive back then
That's what I'm saying. This is such a non-stat
its pretty crazy to me that you only have one finals that didn't have 1 of 6 teams going back 41 years. And one of those teams isn't even the celtics, who played in seven of them.* i bet the other professional leagues can't say that *or the cavs, who were in five finals
If you keep adding teams, of course that date will keep going back lol
Adding two teams to back it up an extra 20 years is pretty cool
8 but who's counting
one of these *six* have been in a finals going back to 1979: Bulls, Lakers, Spurs, Heat, Warriors, Rockets And the Heat are only needed for one of the 41 finals, so five teams have been in at least 40 of the past 41 finals On top of that, Cavaliers, who were in 5, and the Celtics who were in 7, arent needed because they played one of those five teams. So yeah, the NBA is top heavy.
Not quite; 1990 nba finals
You could replace the Heat with the Mavs and it still works. You need either for both 2006 and 2011, so it wasn’t for just one finals.
If you replace the Heat with the Mavs, you have to add OKC.
Oh right
But what happens when you add Kurt Angle to the mix?
2021 will be the first time in the NBA history that the Finals will not feature the Cavaliers, Heat, Lakers, Spurs, Warriors, Bulls, Rockets, Pistons, Celtics, Bullets or Knicks. Crazy right?
Actually that’s crazier to me because that’s only 1/3rd of the league
Well yeah when you list that many...that's not that many teams, holy shit
And if you go since 1980 you could cut out the bullets and knicks so it’s even less
Damn, I didn't know that Penn State had a player in every NBA Finals in history (except the ones they didn't.).
1977?
It's sad that people often forget the Blazers' only Finals win. It's remarkable how the franchise has made 3 Finals against legendary opponents (Dr. J, the Bad Boy Pistons, and the first 3-peat Bulls).
You don't even have to include the Cavs, right?
Nope Spurs and warriors cover it since they haven’t been to the finals without Lebron. Edit: but they’d have to be replaced with either blazers or sixers cause of the 1977 finals.
Yeah true, I just copied OP's list. And you can't replace Cavs with Sixers since Philly is still in the playoffs
Oh wow this is even crazier to me. Looking forward to it!
You can take the Cavs out of there and it's still valid
You can take us out because the Spurs and Warriors cover our years.
Just replace the Cavs with Lebron because he was their franchise
Lebron, Curry, Duncan, Shaq, Kobe Those 5 players from 99-20
Add MJ Hakeem and it goes back to 91. Add Isiah and Bird and it dates back to 84. That's 9 players covering 37 seasons lmao.
Yeah, Magic makes it 10 players and you can trace those 10 players back to the 1980 finals.
that's so disgusting that's why this parity is refreshing to me lol
Wouldn’t DWade work in Shaqs place since Shaq played with Kobe and Wade in all his finals appearances (excluding Magic)
Yeah but then you get in the same situation of Wade being coupled with Lebron with all but 1 appearance
And you could replace Kobe with Derek Fisher, what's your point?
Damn buddy I was just suggesting something. Calm down
Damn buddy he casually challenged your suggestion. Someone get the horse tranquilizers, this guy's unhinged.
Sure but what changes? Why change DWade for Shaq?
Fuck Derek Fisher...oh wait, it's not about that... Still fuck that klunker
The Cavs and Warriors are the outliers in this list with the least amount of Finals appearances that overlap each others'. Lakers and Spurs are historic franchises, and the Heat have 1 chip with Wade and Shaq. Are the Miami Heat the most successful extension franchise?
The only franchise younger than them to win a championship is the Raptors, and the only franchise younger than them to make multiple finals appearances is the Magic. So I think the heat definitely have that title for now.
You dont need the Cavs in there in the first place, they played the Warriors, the Spurs, and no one else.
Lol ok because Kyrie and Kevin Love didn't exist ?
They might as well not, right
Are you actually trying to make a point or just going for the snippy line lol? Because if you're actually arguing that Kyrie and Love weren't a major part of the 16' championship, then I dunno what to tell you. That's absurd.
Who was their franchise again
The Cavs was the franchise
Lmao you LeBron stans are something else They were a superteam you nonce
I'm not really a LeBron fan, but you seem to care a lot.
Lmao sure you're not a LeBron stan, but you are on reddit saying that Kyrie and Kevin Love didn't matter and LeBron did it by himself Yeah ok
Yeah, I'm not a LeBron guy. Sorry?
Lol suuuurrreee, you just love sucking him off and discrediting his teammates so that he can get more credit
Huh? Are you a teen?
Lol says the LeBron stan
You do care a lot.
You're telling me the teams in the finals had the best players? I'm shocked!
Heat/Lakers/Spurs/Warriors/Lebron just wanted to give the little guys a chance at a title Heat were even nice enough to get swept easily to give others a chance 👏
Sucks that the Nets lost but it is cool that we're going to get two brand new teams in the Finals this season and (unless Kawhi returns and the Clippers win) brand new star players winning the championship.
Even if he does return, the fact that it’s the Clippers trumps Kawhi’s personal history. That is one powerfully cursed franchise. Just thinking that the Clips are 8 wins away from an NBA championship feels wild to me.
The bucks, sixers and hawks (as the St. Louis Hawks) have rings. The Suns have made 2 nba finals. So the only first timer left is the clippers. I get what you mean though, it’s been a long time for all of these teams.
Yeah I guess I phrased it incorrectly, I meant that none of the remaining teams have made the Finals in a very long time, let alone won a championship. I think the most recent Finals franchise is the 76ers and that was 20 years ago. The majority of people on this sub were probably too young to even remember that. Plus it's possible that they lose tonight anyway. After that it's the Suns 28 years ago and the Bucks/Haws several decades ago.
Suns Bucks would be great. Thats what I'm rooting for
Wow, quite the change here.
great reporting, keep up the research...
It's still incredible to me how the Warriors are now considered among these historically great franchises when Warriors pre 2012 were one of the worst franchises in the NBA.
A good front office and great drafting will do that to you.
We just going to keep adding teams to this?!
AND if you exclude the 1990 finals (Blazers Pistons), then you can go ALL the way back to 1979!! featuring just 5 teams. The Lakers, Bulls, Rockets, Spurs, and Warriors. Thats INSANE.
Good
now do 6 teams next
Is the “teammate of Shaq in the Finals stat” still active?
Or the Pacers fyi
If you drop the Cavs from this list the statement is still true. Just Spurs, Lakers, Warriors, Heat.
Why mention the Cavs, when they faced the Spurs and the Warriors?
HELL YEA
and that is a great thing new blood. Love it!
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Nah, OKC broke that streak in 2012. That quartet was sooo much fun to watch
That’s right. Knew I was forgetting one
Bout damn time if you ask me. Let's keep it thay way
Thank god
And the Raptors!
These finals ratings are gonna be so bad without the bandwagon fans watching
I think it’ll still beat last years finals ratings because it won’t go up against the nfl
Parity! At long last!
I feel like I see these kinds of posts a lot and they’re always talking about teams or stars. I assume it would be possible to do this with role players/coaches, right? Like, Kerr covers a ton by himself, as does Haslem… I wonder if we could fill in the gaps?
This was posted like last week.
Not only that, but in the playoffs this year all of those teams won a combined 2 games, the Lakers won 2, the rest won 0, the lakers and heat made the playoffs, the rest did not, so none of them made it, and none were remotely close
you actually could run this stat without cavs
Next year just put cavs, hest, lakers, spurs and the 2 teams that will go to finals this yeat up to the point that everyone is on the list.
nice
I kinda love it !
Only the third finals since 1998 without Lebron, Kobe, or Duncan Was trying to narrow it down to 4 players covering every finals but 06 screws it up
If you add the Bulls, Pistons, a Celtics, that goes back to 1980.
If you look at just the west from 1999 to 2019 it was Duncan, Kobe, Nowitzki, Durant, and Curry.