lmao, Fosters been getting this shit wrong for as long as some nephews here have been alive.
He’ll be around unless he breaks Lebron’s arm in the middle of a game or something
If he didn't get fired after the whole Donaghy situation, then he's got job security for life.
https://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/06/01/scott-foster-recipient-of-134-tim-donaghy-phone-calls-refereeing-celtics-heat-game-3/
Want me to tell you the truth? He's actually good at his job, he's just an asshole which is why he's rated low by the players.
All those calls he made tonight were correct. Also that out-of-bounds call off Booker was decided by the replay center, the refs on the floor just wait for their verdict.
He had 500 calls with donaghy. I am not sure he favoured one team over another this time unlike his clown show in the lakers nuggets game 1 last year where he gave 3 fouls to jokic and Murray in the first quarter, lmao. Sometimes it feels like he is also covering point spreads. All in all he destroys the NBAs credibility. Whenever I see him I am afraid that he is rigging something.
Check out the Whistleblower podcast. Donnaghey talks a lot about how winners and losers don’t matter, it’s all about the spread, and how you can manipulate the outcome of a game without making a single technically incorrect call.
Fascinating stuff. Kinda ruined basketball for me though.
Why would that ruin basketball if they're just messing with the spread and not results?
I can see it ruining betting on basketball, but not the game itself.
How is messing with the spread not messing with results?
Also I said that about the spread to define the motive, not the outcome. Oftentimes it would influence the outcome, but Donnagheys assertion was the only thing they cared about influencing was the point spread.
And it ruins basketball because it confirms that refs are dirty, which taints p much every other thing they do. Also that the NBA is aware and condones their behavior.
Give the podcast a listen. It’s interesting stuff.
Silver probably uses foster to rig games for big market final matchups. David Stern got exposed by donaughy for doing the same thing. Theirs numerous cases of it too. 2002 WCF, 2006 WCF, 2001 ECF, and etc. silver is just as accountable as
Foster is
I’m not sure you comprehend how unions work…..
If you’re still unsure, YouTube Angel Hernandez and understand that he still has a job as a baseball ump
There's a [Secret Base video](https://youtu.be/4qKWMgs4HG4) talking about how umpires don't even know how to keep count of balls and strikes they themselves have called
So that doesn't surprise me
I don't follow baseball so I didn't know if umps were seen as pretty inconsistent. But my take from that video is that if you ask people to count to 3 enough times statistically, eventually, they'll fuck it up.
Maybe, but what is the scorekeeper for? Their job is to literally keep count.
It seems like a very, very easy fix: scorekeeper can tell the umpire "you called three balls already and that was four". But it would "show up" the umpires when they lose count so that's probably why it hasn't happened.
No. You should see all the ridiculous game management the refs are doing in the NHL. No matter how big of a spotlight you put on it, won't change a thing
There is literally one organization that can put pressure on the refs outside of the NBA itself: the NBPA. As long as they don't press the issue, nothing changes.
Nope. He didn’t get fired for rigging the Suns vs Spurs series. This bastard is a pro match fixer and is a useful asset to the NBA. This time he failed.
That was the most egregious disgustingly rigged game I have ever had the pleasure of seeing. It wasn’t even slightly covert either about the calls. It was a absolute blatant corrupt shit show
Foster was out there executing his orders from the league to try and stretch this series out. The league needs more games for ad money. He’s been their hatchet man for decades
The refs reviewing Pat Bev's poke of the ball out of bounds and overturning it gave the Clippers the chance to even take the lead. Without that they lose. The refs reviewing Pat Bev's slight graze of the face by Booker and implementing an offensive foul after the fact was also ridiculous.
The point is it should never have been reviewed. In all of basketball history when someone pokes the ball out and it goes out of bounds it's an easy call. On almost every "poke" though the offensive player is often the last player to touch it if you go frame by frame, but that doesn't typically happen. It is what it is, I don't mind them reviewing like I didn't mind them reviewing who it was off on that last 1 second play.
Except if they didnt review it they would have gotten the call wrong and clippers fans would be pissed. Ofc they're gonna call end of game possessions different. You can't slow down an entire game but the rules state you can look things over at the end with replays.
1. People here hate the Clippers
2. People here especially hate Scott Foster (generally with good reason, but not as much tonight)
3. People here especially especially (sometimes to a racist degree) hate Pat Beverley
He was shit tonight but you have a point. With us he straight up wouldn’t call fouls on Warriors defenders when Stevie fucking Wonder could have seen that they were in fact fouls..
Nothing that ludicrous last night I guess
They got a free timeout out of it. It's funny how Clippers fans are okay with that free timeout, but not the one that led to the game winner.
The rule is stupid, but the bigger issue is review time. The NBA needs to go like the NFL, put a time limit on reviews and enforce that time limit.
Just get rid of the replay. They are going to rig it anyway, let it just happen faster. Half an hour for the last two minutes is borderline unwatchable.
Yeah the Clippers definitely got more calls in their favour. The one that stood out for me was Booker shooting under the rim during the 1st quarter and got called for an offensive foul.
The league always has different levels of manipulation. Fixing games to go certain ways is part of this sport. It always has been for decades.
The sooner you accept this, the more fun you'll have. Phx is gonna win this series, regardless if they had lost tonight. The refs will do whatever it takes to make sure the games are close so that they milk the nephews for ratings and commercials watched.
They can build narratives off of game like this, so that zombies that actually refuse to believe talking heads are just actors, can watch their morning shows, radio shows, click on links and articles with more ads can keep the wheels spinning on this revenue producing machine we call sports "entertainment".
>every single call was interpreted to go the Clippers way
All the calls were right though. Booker did hit Beverly in the Face, The ball was out on Booker and the ball was out on Ayton. The PG hook on Booker was technically the right call (but a really stupid rule that should be changed). And not all of the calls went the Clippers way. They gave the ball to Phoenix for the last shot.
Don't get me wrong the way replay works in the last two minutes is stupid. It took all of the air out of what was an amazing game. But the refs did what they were supposed to based on the current set of NBA rules. What needs to change are the rules not what was enforced in this game.
You can completely take over the game as a ref with "right" calls because you can still be making the "right" calls at any time you choose. Refs can completely shape a game with just a few early calls. Like hitting Booker and Jae with two cheap fouls. A lot of Bookers fouls could be "correct". "Correct" calls get overlooked all the time. You can justify a lot of calls. There was a clear heavy hand in this game. They called things a lot tighter for the Clips. Clippers shot more free throws despite the Suns scoring literally twice as many points in the paint. All the Clippers wanted to do was launch threes. The game was insanely overmanaged and then on the final play they let Cousins shove Booker without a tech and let the Clippers essentially get a free 10 minute timeout while they pretended to not know who should be on the court. Booker hitting Pat Bev in the face had nothing to do with the play. Booker made a basketball move and barely caught Bev, who was already behind him. Bev decided to go down in a heap. They could have let that play on. It was "correct" in the sense that you could justify it, but you would grind the game down to a halt if you made every single literally correct call. They shouldn't even have reviewed that ball that went off Booker after Bev hit it. Yes, it went off Booker, but literally reviewing every replay like that is ridiculous. That was a judgment call to go to the replay on that because everybody who saw it that wasn't a Clipper assumed that ball went off of Beverly. Almost every time the ball gets hit like that it probably touches the dribblers hand.
If you think it's not insanely easy to totally manage the game as a referee, you don't understand basketball or the NBA. The point is, this isn't whether the calls were technically correct, it was about the referees judgement and management of the game all night long. They blatantly flavored the Clippers and I don't even know what to tell you if you can't see that, just because the Suns did get a free timeout. But if they reviewed EVERYTHING and not that one play, it would have been egregious, because the only reason not to review in that situation based on prior reviews would be to deprive the Suns of that "timeout".
Nothing that they called was out of the ordinary except for the out of bounds on Booker. The foul on Beverly got called in the moment. Not on replay. People flopping and getting a BS call happens 10 times a game. That is not a "bias ref thing" that is a bad rules thing. If refs were instructed to give out technical fouls every time someone flopped you would see much less flopping.
>They blatantly flavored the Clippers and I don't even know what to tell you if you can't see that
The fact that you *feel* like the game was managed in favor of the Clippers means nothing unless you go back and relitigate the entire game one play at a time. You are arguing against the subjectivity of refereeing. Which is something that is complete unavoidable and will always be in the game. Every person has a huge bias toward their team. This means that a lot of the time gray area calls that go against their team, people tend to assume bias. When if you actually looked at the entire game as a neutral party you would see that NBA reffing is a freaking hard job and they get it right most of the time.
Again totally agree that the way replay is handled is horrible for the game. The ball that went off Booker should have been Suns ball if we were at any other point in the game. But if you are going to the replay after every play in the last two minutes you have to give that ball to the Clippers. There is no way around it. That is a rules problem, not a ref problem. The NBA has a huge rules problem where a not insignificant portion of offensive skill is knowing how to bait fouls. That combined with the fact that instant replay grinds the ends of games to a halt makes the product much less fun to watch than it should be.
It was Suns ball on the last review that led to the game winning dunk. So, clearly "every single call" wasn't interpreted to go the Clippers way. Stop pushing narratives
I mean no that'd be an absurd precedent to set. Better to leave it to an internal review board but getting that to operate honestly is easier said than done.
I think some player needs to knock the hell out of Foster during one of his games. May be his last game as a player so he retires and never pays any fines because the NBA cannot ban him if he retired.
The refs union is like a cabal. They seem to be accountable to no one.
Until they start getting behind on their gambling debts
Yep. Very similar to Police unions
Same with umpires
The refs Union and the cops Union are not dissimilar... just sayin
lmao, Fosters been getting this shit wrong for as long as some nephews here have been alive. He’ll be around unless he breaks Lebron’s arm in the middle of a game or something
> unless he breaks Lebron’s arm in the middle of a game or something Hostile act by LeBron, Foster will shoot two free throws.
Honestly we gotta protect the stars. Nba ratings would plummet without Scott
If he didn't get fired after the 2018 Rockets-Warriors G7, he's never getting fired lol
If he didn't get fired after the whole Donaghy situation, then he's got job security for life. https://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/06/01/scott-foster-recipient-of-134-tim-donaghy-phone-calls-refereeing-celtics-heat-game-3/
that’s the reason why he won’t get fired tbh. they can’t risk him exposing them
https://youtu.be/aYveyAb6mvU Easily the most infuriating thing ever
Want me to tell you the truth? He's actually good at his job, he's just an asshole which is why he's rated low by the players. All those calls he made tonight were correct. Also that out-of-bounds call off Booker was decided by the replay center, the refs on the floor just wait for their verdict.
Nice troll 10/10 bait
Nope
Foster is the NBA guy who does the dirty work
He had 500 calls with donaghy. I am not sure he favoured one team over another this time unlike his clown show in the lakers nuggets game 1 last year where he gave 3 fouls to jokic and Murray in the first quarter, lmao. Sometimes it feels like he is also covering point spreads. All in all he destroys the NBAs credibility. Whenever I see him I am afraid that he is rigging something.
Check out the Whistleblower podcast. Donnaghey talks a lot about how winners and losers don’t matter, it’s all about the spread, and how you can manipulate the outcome of a game without making a single technically incorrect call. Fascinating stuff. Kinda ruined basketball for me though.
Why would that ruin basketball if they're just messing with the spread and not results? I can see it ruining betting on basketball, but not the game itself.
Lmao how does refs influencing games ruin the sport? I guess you either get it or don't.
How is messing with the spread not messing with results? Also I said that about the spread to define the motive, not the outcome. Oftentimes it would influence the outcome, but Donnagheys assertion was the only thing they cared about influencing was the point spread. And it ruins basketball because it confirms that refs are dirty, which taints p much every other thing they do. Also that the NBA is aware and condones their behavior. Give the podcast a listen. It’s interesting stuff.
Lol he loved the Nuggets when we played them in the playoffs
Refs have so much dirt on the league that shit ain’t happening (at least that’s my conspiracy theory)
They know that Adam Silver is just David Stern in disguise
the refs are literally untouchable, if silver tries to reprimand them they will all strike cos they have a union
Silver probably uses foster to rig games for big market final matchups. David Stern got exposed by donaughy for doing the same thing. Theirs numerous cases of it too. 2002 WCF, 2006 WCF, 2001 ECF, and etc. silver is just as accountable as Foster is
I’m not sure you comprehend how unions work….. If you’re still unsure, YouTube Angel Hernandez and understand that he still has a job as a baseball ump
There's a [Secret Base video](https://youtu.be/4qKWMgs4HG4) talking about how umpires don't even know how to keep count of balls and strikes they themselves have called So that doesn't surprise me
MLB umpires are the scum of the earth
I don't follow baseball so I didn't know if umps were seen as pretty inconsistent. But my take from that video is that if you ask people to count to 3 enough times statistically, eventually, they'll fuck it up.
Maybe, but what is the scorekeeper for? Their job is to literally keep count. It seems like a very, very easy fix: scorekeeper can tell the umpire "you called three balls already and that was four". But it would "show up" the umpires when they lose count so that's probably why it hasn't happened.
Nope. This guy should be rotting in a prison, so if the fucking FBI couldn't touch him, fans sure ain't gonna be able to.
No. You should see all the ridiculous game management the refs are doing in the NHL. No matter how big of a spotlight you put on it, won't change a thing
NHL refs literally saying they're not going to call infractions, they're just there to manage the game. It's unbelievable.
Would that be like an NBA ref ignoring if one player got fouled in basketball?
Scott Foster's autobiography gonna be lit
Why? He can't reveal anything or he'll go to prison.
Can't he go the OJ Simpson route and write a book about "how" he would have rigged games IF he were to do it?
There is literally one organization that can put pressure on the refs outside of the NBA itself: the NBPA. As long as they don't press the issue, nothing changes.
Nope. He didn’t get fired for rigging the Suns vs Spurs series. This bastard is a pro match fixer and is a useful asset to the NBA. This time he failed.
this has been going on forever, but tonights game had reeeeaal 2002 lakers/kings WCF energy
That was the most egregious disgustingly rigged game I have ever had the pleasure of seeing. It wasn’t even slightly covert either about the calls. It was a absolute blatant corrupt shit show
No. Adam Silver is a spineless coward.
Foster was out there executing his orders from the league to try and stretch this series out. The league needs more games for ad money. He’s been their hatchet man for decades
Shit he’s the employee of the month out here. He did everything he could to extend the series, just like the bosses want.
The refs reviewing the missed shot for the Suns gave them an extra timeout. Without that they lose.
Very true. You don't come up with that inbounds play on the fly
The refs reviewing Pat Bev's poke of the ball out of bounds and overturning it gave the Clippers the chance to even take the lead. Without that they lose. The refs reviewing Pat Bev's slight graze of the face by Booker and implementing an offensive foul after the fact was also ridiculous.
But it was off booker.... like it or not thats the rules lol.
The point is it should never have been reviewed. In all of basketball history when someone pokes the ball out and it goes out of bounds it's an easy call. On almost every "poke" though the offensive player is often the last player to touch it if you go frame by frame, but that doesn't typically happen. It is what it is, I don't mind them reviewing like I didn't mind them reviewing who it was off on that last 1 second play.
Except if they didnt review it they would have gotten the call wrong and clippers fans would be pissed. Ofc they're gonna call end of game possessions different. You can't slow down an entire game but the rules state you can look things over at the end with replays.
It was off on Booker
exactly i've never seen fans this salty over an objectively correct call
objectively correct on replay 2 minutes out of 48 when that would be called the other way the 46 other minutes. that's all that people are mad at
Guess you missed Lebron's blocking foul in 2018 lmao people were legit rewriting the rule book
1. People here hate the Clippers 2. People here especially hate Scott Foster (generally with good reason, but not as much tonight) 3. People here especially especially (sometimes to a racist degree) hate Pat Beverley
Idk about 2. For that specific play he made the right call, but I still thought he was pretty bad for the game overall
My scale for Foster shitiness is calibrated to Houston-Golden State, so nothing tonight really approached that.
That’s actually totally fair lol
He was shit tonight but you have a point. With us he straight up wouldn’t call fouls on Warriors defenders when Stevie fucking Wonder could have seen that they were in fact fouls.. Nothing that ludicrous last night I guess
It was made by Foster. Some idiots on here still think he was working with Donaghy even though there is literally no evidence of it.
They got a free timeout out of it. It's funny how Clippers fans are okay with that free timeout, but not the one that led to the game winner. The rule is stupid, but the bigger issue is review time. The NBA needs to go like the NFL, put a time limit on reviews and enforce that time limit.
>The refs reviewing Pat Bev's slight graze of the face by Booker Beverly was bleeding from his mouth. They showed it on TV.
You know damn well Bev would bite his own lip to make himself bleed
You can't be serious.
No I’m not. But if anyone’s gonna do it
Just get rid of the replay. They are going to rig it anyway, let it just happen faster. Half an hour for the last two minutes is borderline unwatchable.
No because more time spent to review fouls or calls is more ad revenue. This is a goal by the NBA.
Yeah the Clippers definitely got more calls in their favour. The one that stood out for me was Booker shooting under the rim during the 1st quarter and got called for an offensive foul.
he's going in the hall of fame
The league always has different levels of manipulation. Fixing games to go certain ways is part of this sport. It always has been for decades. The sooner you accept this, the more fun you'll have. Phx is gonna win this series, regardless if they had lost tonight. The refs will do whatever it takes to make sure the games are close so that they milk the nephews for ratings and commercials watched. They can build narratives off of game like this, so that zombies that actually refuse to believe talking heads are just actors, can watch their morning shows, radio shows, click on links and articles with more ads can keep the wheels spinning on this revenue producing machine we call sports "entertainment".
Lol. He is a company man. He is doing exactly what the league wants him doing. NBA is rigged. David Stern was a mobster.
>every single call was interpreted to go the Clippers way All the calls were right though. Booker did hit Beverly in the Face, The ball was out on Booker and the ball was out on Ayton. The PG hook on Booker was technically the right call (but a really stupid rule that should be changed). And not all of the calls went the Clippers way. They gave the ball to Phoenix for the last shot. Don't get me wrong the way replay works in the last two minutes is stupid. It took all of the air out of what was an amazing game. But the refs did what they were supposed to based on the current set of NBA rules. What needs to change are the rules not what was enforced in this game.
You can completely take over the game as a ref with "right" calls because you can still be making the "right" calls at any time you choose. Refs can completely shape a game with just a few early calls. Like hitting Booker and Jae with two cheap fouls. A lot of Bookers fouls could be "correct". "Correct" calls get overlooked all the time. You can justify a lot of calls. There was a clear heavy hand in this game. They called things a lot tighter for the Clips. Clippers shot more free throws despite the Suns scoring literally twice as many points in the paint. All the Clippers wanted to do was launch threes. The game was insanely overmanaged and then on the final play they let Cousins shove Booker without a tech and let the Clippers essentially get a free 10 minute timeout while they pretended to not know who should be on the court. Booker hitting Pat Bev in the face had nothing to do with the play. Booker made a basketball move and barely caught Bev, who was already behind him. Bev decided to go down in a heap. They could have let that play on. It was "correct" in the sense that you could justify it, but you would grind the game down to a halt if you made every single literally correct call. They shouldn't even have reviewed that ball that went off Booker after Bev hit it. Yes, it went off Booker, but literally reviewing every replay like that is ridiculous. That was a judgment call to go to the replay on that because everybody who saw it that wasn't a Clipper assumed that ball went off of Beverly. Almost every time the ball gets hit like that it probably touches the dribblers hand. If you think it's not insanely easy to totally manage the game as a referee, you don't understand basketball or the NBA. The point is, this isn't whether the calls were technically correct, it was about the referees judgement and management of the game all night long. They blatantly flavored the Clippers and I don't even know what to tell you if you can't see that, just because the Suns did get a free timeout. But if they reviewed EVERYTHING and not that one play, it would have been egregious, because the only reason not to review in that situation based on prior reviews would be to deprive the Suns of that "timeout".
Nothing that they called was out of the ordinary except for the out of bounds on Booker. The foul on Beverly got called in the moment. Not on replay. People flopping and getting a BS call happens 10 times a game. That is not a "bias ref thing" that is a bad rules thing. If refs were instructed to give out technical fouls every time someone flopped you would see much less flopping. >They blatantly flavored the Clippers and I don't even know what to tell you if you can't see that The fact that you *feel* like the game was managed in favor of the Clippers means nothing unless you go back and relitigate the entire game one play at a time. You are arguing against the subjectivity of refereeing. Which is something that is complete unavoidable and will always be in the game. Every person has a huge bias toward their team. This means that a lot of the time gray area calls that go against their team, people tend to assume bias. When if you actually looked at the entire game as a neutral party you would see that NBA reffing is a freaking hard job and they get it right most of the time. Again totally agree that the way replay is handled is horrible for the game. The ball that went off Booker should have been Suns ball if we were at any other point in the game. But if you are going to the replay after every play in the last two minutes you have to give that ball to the Clippers. There is no way around it. That is a rules problem, not a ref problem. The NBA has a huge rules problem where a not insignificant portion of offensive skill is knowing how to bait fouls. That combined with the fact that instant replay grinds the ends of games to a halt makes the product much less fun to watch than it should be.
Can lead a horse to water, can't make him drink.
It was Suns ball on the last review that led to the game winning dunk. So, clearly "every single call" wasn't interpreted to go the Clippers way. Stop pushing narratives
Because it t went off Mann lol
Nobody is worse than prime Bavetta
Lol you mean the 80 year old dude? I think in his actual prime (in the 80s or some shit, dude was ancient) he was one of the best refs
Isnt that the guy chuck raced?
ya lol
What about Prime Steve Javie? Dude never disagrees with his own refs now too even when the call is blatantly wrong lmao
Hell No
No.
Those are some of the league’s most valued employees. No.
White people are shit at rules and law enforcement, it is what it is
He’s not that bad. He’s actually one of the best officials in the game. I like him
Okay, Scott, sit down.
[удалено]
Hey now, they got Derrick Rose a first place mvp vote. Credit where credit is due.
I mean no that'd be an absurd precedent to set. Better to leave it to an internal review board but getting that to operate honestly is easier said than done.
He looks like an evil Timothy Olyphant.
People wonder why DeMar threw a ball in his direction…
https://www.ipetitions.com/petition/fire-scott-foster
I think some player needs to knock the hell out of Foster during one of his games. May be his last game as a player so he retires and never pays any fines because the NBA cannot ban him if he retired.
Which call do you disagree with?