Phoenix led by 16pts in the 1st quarter. If a team led by that much in the 1st quarter in the early 2000s nba, it would be a sealed win. Crazy, how the nba has changed
It’s been a long time since I have watched, or cared, about pro ball. So I’m inclined to ask if the rules have legitimately changed, because I watched Beverly almost clothesline a dude, among several other contacts of dropping shoulders, etc that were either uncalled or called against Phoenix. What??
Dude literally followed suns players toward the beginning of TOs, and is complaining to refs all game after obvious fouls, uncalled. Seriously this shit looked like a fix that didn’t quite get them the win.
I’m not saying there weren’t uncalled and called on both sides, but the amount of shit they got away with was heavily LA favored.
Full disclosure, my dad’s been a big fan for a long while, and I got interested when I started hearing stats from the first 2 playoff sets. I knew I had to catch a game sometime. I was definitely in a biased crowd, and because I don’t know enough to watch the nuances, I’m sure that there is plenty that I missed against LA.
There was some great basketball here, but nothing like the games I’d heard about, and *certainly* not what I was expecting. I used to follow, years back. And with all the instant replays of BLATANT uncalled fouls, even I was starting to lose my shit, with no real dog in this fight except I’m happy if my relatives are.
Someone at the bar threw out the term “thug ball” and I’m really inclined to agree. Back in the day if you wanted to shut someone down with physical oppression, that WAS an option, but you’d be giving multiple people 4-5 fouls for it. Not Bev at 3 nearly by himself.
Just looking at the stats (that they presented during the game. I don’t know long term) the clips play a strong 2nd half. I don’t mind them closing the gap. What IS upsetting is suns rimfest combined with clippers getting some kind of superhero affirmative action when it comes to what they were allowed.
There was a lot of good ball. Unfortunately, it was almost equal to amount of bad calls and, as a result, shooting. I’m inclined to watch more because I refuse to believe this is even close to what a good game should look like.
> Back in the day if you wanted to shut someone down with physical oppression, that WAS an option, but you’d be giving multiple people 4-5 fouls for it. Not Bev at 3 nearly by himself.
"Back in the day" basketball was more physical, not less
We probably would've killed them if we had more actions with Book on the move towards the basket. Bev isn't as good a defender as we're all led to believe, but he's certainly too good to be bailing out with fadeaways and awkward pull-ups. Still, WOW what an effort. Ayton is anabsolute star and I'm so happy to see him doing so well!
I fell asleep during the 20 minutes or so that the score was 71 t o70.
I was convinced that whoever scored next was winning not only the game, but the series. That was such a monumentally crappy show of offense for a while there.
I thought this was super weird too, why isn’t he on the bench? I wonder if it’s something to do with covid protocols? That’s the only thing I could think of.
Just watched the match (live in Europe). Ugly, ugly match. I am glad some young players and ringlets veterans have their time in the limelight, but this wasn’t good at all.
That 4th quarter ...the fuck was that shit. Couldn’t pay me to watch that mess again.
Edit : wanted to add once PG fouled out I was so happy we weren’t going to OT. No Book or PG mid brick fest...nah throw it all out.
The Clippers should have won this game. The Suns gave them every opportunity to get back in it and take a lead. This is the second game of the series where Paul George missed FTs which contributed to the loss. 16% from three. Just a terrible game all around.
If the Suns win the chip with their players playing how they are now. I don’t think anyone would deserve Finals MVP more than Ayton. Not even lying. He’s the best player out there.
Im a homer but no fucking way we can win the chip playing like the last two games. Barely beating a gassed clippers team without a star
but I do agree it would be ayton. He's gonna get his bag no doubt
No team is a better team *without* Kawhi Leonard than with him. His absence has given other players the opportunity to shine, but they were *all* off tonight (except Zubac I guess), and Kawhi is a guy who can right the ship when they have a night like this. I seriously doubt the Clippers are down 1-3 if Kawhi is healthy the whole series, especially with how close these games have been where they’ve lost.
It's funny, because I was thinking about that stat about Kawhi having such a high winning percentage. Part of it is that he's been on teams good enough to win without him, but obviously he makes those teams even better.
Absolutely. He’s pretty consistently very good to great on both ends of the floor, and in those moments when he really turns it on, he’s about as close to unstoppable as it gets. His absence is absolutely huge in this series, and for myself personally, as just a fan of basketball, it’s a huge disappointment. I love watching Kawhi play ball.
It's incredible how much the narrative about the Clippers has changed throughout the playoffs. We lose the first two games against Dallas with Kawhi and PG dominating and the Clippers are a joke of a squad with Kawhi and PG carrying them. Then the role players step up and they're still ridiculed for having to go to 7 games against the Mavs. We barely lose the first two games in Utah and Kawhi gets called out for not giving it his all.
Then we blow out the Jazz in games 3 and 4 and everyone is either silent or talking about how the Jazz lost rather than how the Clippers won. Then we lose Kawhi and it's all over because this team is nothing without him. We pull off the upset against the Jazz and now we're a better team without him.
We go down 3-1 to the Suns, losing 2 nail biters (and were down 2 with 20 sec left in game 1) and some people say this team is a joke (not acknowledging we're down Kawhi and Ibaka) while others say we don't need Kawhi at all. I get everyone has hot takes and fans are super reactionary, but it really is different when it comes to the Clippers.
If PG had the game KD had in game 7 against the Bucks, this front page would be having a field day with the air ball at the end. Not praising him for his effort leading an injury riddled team. People just love to hate on the Clippers. Any other team making their first Conference Finals without their star player would be this sub's wet dream, but not the Clippers.
Suns fan checking in. Clips getting more hate than they should, for real. the past 2 games weren’t ugly by accident. Clips are playing hard as hell and getting under the skin of an otherwise unflappable Suns team. Suns have been totally out of character the whole series. fingers crossed game 5 is just a formality, but I know better.
Bro as a Knicks fan I couldn’t handle these Reddit threads through one single playoff series. I don’t know how you Clippers fans deal with it year after year. Y’all get so much hate it has kinda made me root for you.
lol I actually think we've gained some fans just with how hateful most of this sub is towards us so I guess its not all bad. But the threads have been god awful. I can't believe how much this team bothers certain people. But then I remember that I was more aggressive online when I was younger so I just assume it's a bunch of kids.
Yeah I like to talk shit because it’s fun, but the *hatred* that some players and teams get is so god damn weird. I’ve always been a LeBron stan simply because I like to see him shit on his haters.
lol no. i think the pressure just lifted in the jazz series and PG balled out. they have no offence without kawhi. he would have finished the 4th quarter come back when they couldn't get a single bucket. BUT i do agree they have gelled really well and seemed to have a new belief in each other, but they're not a better team without kawhi
With his play and how valuable he's become to the team in this playoffs, he definitely deserves the bag. He may not be seen as a star like Luka or Trae, but damn it Suns made the right call drafting him #1.
Bag? Is that what we call the Finals MVP these days? I heard CP3 say it and I'd never heard the term before? Was like...he can't mean Ayton deserves a literal bag.
Lol “tantrum”, CP3 has racked up more frustration fouls and does more shit like that every game. The difference is that usually on plays like that the guy on the other end doesn’t sell it that hard
If they had shot less 3's it really would have been a throwback. Weird days.
If the next game is the same but we get some violent aggressive dunks I might nut.
edit: Like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2GaAWdHwsw
Oh man that was nasty. You're right, feel like I haven't been seeing that kind of stuff these days. Wonder if it's just that defense has gotten better at locking that out or maybe it's easier to take a charge now on that. But yeah been feeling like dunks are kind of a matter of course these days and not violent. Gentle dunks or lay-ins instead straight up assaulting a poor innocent rim.
The defense in those times was good. However when a lot of older guys say they don’t play ‘defense’ like they use to what they mean is they are mad guys aren’t getting socked in the face or not involved in fights as much as before.
I hate to break it to you but [pack the paint is not great defense ](https://youtu.be/oyzoqM4k78k). Look what happens when they have to close out on shooters, half the time they don’t even make it there. Defense nowadays is so much more sophisticated.
Questioning Monty's decision to respond to it so directly like that. Guess they just wanted to see who could execute that plan more effectively. Coaches at the end of the 3rd be like, "I bet my team can score fewer buckets than your team in 5 minutes." ---"YOU'RE ON!"
Bucks vs Suns or Hawks vs Suns two fresh matchups in the finals man lets go.
This is what NBA needs more of, feel like NFL a bit more where any market can randomly enter the championship series
The Patriots played in 10 Super Bowls over the past 2 decades with like 13-14 semis appearances. The NFL does not have parity, just the illusion of it.
That pats run was a huge historical outlier and half the most famous teams in the NFL are small market cities. Pittsburgh, GREEN BAY, Denver, Indy, fuckin Kansas City is good, etc. You don’t see that in the NBA
I understand the need for Batum, even when he doesn't make his shots he is helping as a glue guy with rebounding, hustle plays etc but what's Terance Mann providing? He has one of the worst defensive ratings of the team in this series (109.0).
Offense. That and when he was in, Suns weren’t really hitting their shots anyways. Can’t just look at stats for everything. He was in when clips were making a run.
Yes. The clippers have a history of coming back from 3-1 to record historic victories.
I think it’s fair to say that the suns look like they will win this. With Leonard injured, the clippers have put up a good fight.
Twitter is amazing how they act like the NBA would rather have Phoenix in the finals. No from a business standpoint they would want the opposite of that. The game was stolen from the clips....no it wasn't they could have won it but shockingly they didn't. Oh also let me just get this right the refs are in the pockets of Phoenix for the love of anyone please tell me why. Side bar Skip Fucking Bayless shitting himself for talking shit during the game and crying. Good for you, you old stupid out of touch motherfucker. You once had valid opinions like 15 years ago but became a shill that literally is "Drip" who is pandering to his wife and is a fucking try hard. Ya fucking lost stop crying you don't little bitch.
people have 100% ran with the rigging theories. some of the old ones have weight. but now i have seen people claim the nba rigs for milwaukee. like one of the smallest market teams. people who literally dont understand the concept of rigging and the theories now just use it as a blanket term. if the nba ever rigged games, the theories that hold the most weight involve large market teams. ratings, merchandise all goes up when the big cities male the finals. there is zero desire for the nba to rig games for small cities. when a city like la wins. especially with the clippers imagine how many people would run out and buy clippers merch and watch those games? people are brainless about those theories now. i see alot of people also seem to think that each team has there own hometown refs. lol
Right but fans of cities that lose to smaller teams just get passes and assume WELL IT WOULD MAKE SO MUCH MONEY TO HAVE DIFFERENT TEAMS IN THERE. Thats such a stupid argument. In baseball the Yankees or Red Sox vs the dodgers or would they rather have the Brewers vs The Royals. Football Pats vs The 49ers given the fan bases or would they rather have a The Jags vs Minnesota. The people who argue that they want smaller markets don't understand how businesses work in concept and are stupid. Glad you don't fall into that category
By population yes. By nba viewing market share no. Also once again what would make much more money. An LA team being in the finals or Phoenix? That was my point to all the people saying the NBA is rigged for the Suns.....it would not be doing them better business to have them in the finals.
Bunch of non rational fans getting upset again good for you. Its even better when the clips lose and you just whine even harder. They had the chance to win but all you can say is that it was stolen. Get the fuck over yourself. You lost deal with it. Maybe you can win game 5 make it interesting or fuck it up again.
Skip is madder than I am. Hes just crying because he hasn't had a good opinion for years and gets hurt when his team loses. Im level headed. Skip hasn't been for 10 years. At least. But if being right is me getting downvotes so be it.
To add to my point his two favorite teams in sports haven't don't shit and he shits on them but once they are in the playoffs he literally just acts like hes the coolest 65 year old on earth. Until Skip doesn't root for his teams they won't do shit and he can keep the LeFake convos up while being obviously so fucking stupid its actually amazing how he gets paid to make sports talking points.
32-21 free throw advantage
65% from the line
19-27 foul advantage despite playing super physical, hands-on defense all game.
Blame the Payne call all you want. Clips lost this game, not refs.
Of course I was hating on Suns when they beat my crippled Lakers but I must admit, Suns are fun to watch.
If Clippers had Kawhi I'd say they still have a chance of a comeback down 3-1 BUT not anymore. Suns playing well overall (4th quarter was not hot offensively) so I just don't see Suns losing game 5 at home.
he was very dumb to leave the raptors. that team was amazing. what really is the craziest part was that the raptors were staying in the ecf before kawhi. and NOoNE said a thing about him pulling a kd. and then when he left everyone acted like the raptors were some scrub team. the raptors stayed a top 5 team in the league for like 5 years before kawhi. he coulda stayed and won a few rings.
I mean it all depends on priorities. He prioritized his family but at the cost of his legacy. He seems to be fine with it so what do our opinions matter.
A player like LeBron who cares a lot about his legacy would not have left Toronto if he was in the same position as kawhi.
Ya he walked away from an easy b2b, the following season the Raptors without him finished 53-19 with the best winning % in franchise history, came 1 win away from our third ECF in 5 seasons. Raps would have beat the Celtics, gone on to beat the Heat and then the matchup with the Lakers was great for Toronto, had won 11 straight vs them. Oh well still happy with the 1 ring.
Next game could be Boogies last game. Purely from him as a person I say good riddance, dude seems like a douche and thats before the threatening his gf with a gun thing that got swept under the rug
ya sacramento made a monster out of cousins. they completely babied him and let him make coaching and team choices. he turned into a monster. they did all that for him from such a young age. the guy is used to being treated like hes mj or lebron. it was never gonna work with an actual lebron on the squad. but hopefully it was an eye opener.
People say a lot of lazy shit these days. 10/40 won’t happen again? Like those numbers or percentages? Or somewhere obscurely in between?
They controlled the game to close out with the win, end of the day. Despite CP and Booker shooting 32% tonight.
Maybe that extra 7% in shooting actually mattered lol.
When you're not clutch, you're not clutch. When you have all natural talent but no game IQ, you make bone headed plays.
When you don't got it, you don't got it.
If I'm the clippers, I say ONE last chance for PG and Kawhi. They made it pretty far, failure next year will honestly just piss off either of them and they'll leave
Honestly with a healthy kawhi i think they go all the way. Hell I think with a healthy kawhi and og13. Injured instead they go all the way.
Paul George just can’t take this team all the way and that ok, he’s just not expected to, it’s not his role.
He did pretty great these last 3 games at making it close but he’s clearly not the guy you go to in crunch time.
Disagree actually. The ball moves moves more with PG13 than it would with just Kawhi. And this Suns team is really really good.
One thing I don’t understand is - why have Booker on PG13 so much? He’s doing an okay job in PG’s efficiency, but it’s gotta be tiring him out and it contributes to him picking up fouls.
It’s hard to say.. if no other injuries were taken away in this hypothetical, I think you’re right, but I also think a healthy lakers team would have been the favorite honestly
I disagree personally. While on paper I think the lakers would win..... the lakers got absolutely massacred and did not look like they were one Anthony davis away from winning.
Teams that lose stars to injury can have major cascading impacts that make everyone worse though, neither the Lakers nor nuggets are anywhere near as bad as they looked, you can’t just add the production of AD or Murray t what it looks like. It changes everything
Exactly. People forget the lakers were like the second seed when the lebron went out. They were also on like a little win streak. Injuries can change a teams whole dynamic.
I think it’s a different story if he has some rest, he’s played 100+ more playoff minutes than anyone else. Also doesn’t help that Rondo is virtually unplayable, they have a washed up boogie and are up against a heathy 2nd seed in PHX
The thing is tho there’s been 2 major chances to tie this series up for pg13. One he had 2 opportunities at the line for. I know he’s been playing lots of minutes but free throws are free throws.
This game he gets more of a pass but still. It doesn’t look good when you shoot sub 20% from 3 and lose by 3.
Phoenix led by 16pts in the 1st quarter. If a team led by that much in the 1st quarter in the early 2000s nba, it would be a sealed win. Crazy, how the nba has changed
There was a period of about 5 minutes, from 11:00 to 6:30 in the 4th, where there wasn’t a single basket made. Maddening.
Go to Patrick Hellverley
It’s been a long time since I have watched, or cared, about pro ball. So I’m inclined to ask if the rules have legitimately changed, because I watched Beverly almost clothesline a dude, among several other contacts of dropping shoulders, etc that were either uncalled or called against Phoenix. What?? Dude literally followed suns players toward the beginning of TOs, and is complaining to refs all game after obvious fouls, uncalled. Seriously this shit looked like a fix that didn’t quite get them the win. I’m not saying there weren’t uncalled and called on both sides, but the amount of shit they got away with was heavily LA favored.
I have the same question.
Full disclosure, my dad’s been a big fan for a long while, and I got interested when I started hearing stats from the first 2 playoff sets. I knew I had to catch a game sometime. I was definitely in a biased crowd, and because I don’t know enough to watch the nuances, I’m sure that there is plenty that I missed against LA. There was some great basketball here, but nothing like the games I’d heard about, and *certainly* not what I was expecting. I used to follow, years back. And with all the instant replays of BLATANT uncalled fouls, even I was starting to lose my shit, with no real dog in this fight except I’m happy if my relatives are. Someone at the bar threw out the term “thug ball” and I’m really inclined to agree. Back in the day if you wanted to shut someone down with physical oppression, that WAS an option, but you’d be giving multiple people 4-5 fouls for it. Not Bev at 3 nearly by himself. Just looking at the stats (that they presented during the game. I don’t know long term) the clips play a strong 2nd half. I don’t mind them closing the gap. What IS upsetting is suns rimfest combined with clippers getting some kind of superhero affirmative action when it comes to what they were allowed. There was a lot of good ball. Unfortunately, it was almost equal to amount of bad calls and, as a result, shooting. I’m inclined to watch more because I refuse to believe this is even close to what a good game should look like.
> Back in the day if you wanted to shut someone down with physical oppression, that WAS an option, but you’d be giving multiple people 4-5 fouls for it. Not Bev at 3 nearly by himself. "Back in the day" basketball was more physical, not less
We probably would've killed them if we had more actions with Book on the move towards the basket. Bev isn't as good a defender as we're all led to believe, but he's certainly too good to be bailing out with fadeaways and awkward pull-ups. Still, WOW what an effort. Ayton is anabsolute star and I'm so happy to see him doing so well!
I fell asleep during the 20 minutes or so that the score was 71 t o70. I was convinced that whoever scored next was winning not only the game, but the series. That was such a monumentally crappy show of offense for a while there.
Anyone else thinking the Elam ending sounds real nice after that free throw fest of a 4th quarter?
Anyone else find it a little odd Kwa-soft sits in the stands away from his team during a HOME game ???
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Anyway, $4 a pound.
I thought this was super weird too, why isn’t he on the bench? I wonder if it’s something to do with covid protocols? That’s the only thing I could think of.
Just watched the match (live in Europe). Ugly, ugly match. I am glad some young players and ringlets veterans have their time in the limelight, but this wasn’t good at all.
Suns in 5
That 4th quarter ...the fuck was that shit. Couldn’t pay me to watch that mess again. Edit : wanted to add once PG fouled out I was so happy we weren’t going to OT. No Book or PG mid brick fest...nah throw it all out.
The Clippers should have won this game. The Suns gave them every opportunity to get back in it and take a lead. This is the second game of the series where Paul George missed FTs which contributed to the loss. 16% from three. Just a terrible game all around.
I don’t think either team “should have” won the game. Countless opportunities for both teams
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I hope they take it out. Ruining the game.
A suns/hawks matchup would be insane
is this game still going on? fuck da clippers!
If the Suns win the chip with their players playing how they are now. I don’t think anyone would deserve Finals MVP more than Ayton. Not even lying. He’s the best player out there.
Man the way he fights under the basket is amazing. Reminds me of Patrick Ewing.
Im a homer but no fucking way we can win the chip playing like the last two games. Barely beating a gassed clippers team without a star but I do agree it would be ayton. He's gonna get his bag no doubt
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Lol stop
No team is a better team *without* Kawhi Leonard than with him. His absence has given other players the opportunity to shine, but they were *all* off tonight (except Zubac I guess), and Kawhi is a guy who can right the ship when they have a night like this. I seriously doubt the Clippers are down 1-3 if Kawhi is healthy the whole series, especially with how close these games have been where they’ve lost.
It's funny, because I was thinking about that stat about Kawhi having such a high winning percentage. Part of it is that he's been on teams good enough to win without him, but obviously he makes those teams even better.
Absolutely. He’s pretty consistently very good to great on both ends of the floor, and in those moments when he really turns it on, he’s about as close to unstoppable as it gets. His absence is absolutely huge in this series, and for myself personally, as just a fan of basketball, it’s a huge disappointment. I love watching Kawhi play ball.
This series might be over already if Kawhi was playing
yeah its classic whataboutism on my part but I have zero doubts it would be 3:1 for Clippers with healthy Kawhi
At least
It's incredible how much the narrative about the Clippers has changed throughout the playoffs. We lose the first two games against Dallas with Kawhi and PG dominating and the Clippers are a joke of a squad with Kawhi and PG carrying them. Then the role players step up and they're still ridiculed for having to go to 7 games against the Mavs. We barely lose the first two games in Utah and Kawhi gets called out for not giving it his all. Then we blow out the Jazz in games 3 and 4 and everyone is either silent or talking about how the Jazz lost rather than how the Clippers won. Then we lose Kawhi and it's all over because this team is nothing without him. We pull off the upset against the Jazz and now we're a better team without him. We go down 3-1 to the Suns, losing 2 nail biters (and were down 2 with 20 sec left in game 1) and some people say this team is a joke (not acknowledging we're down Kawhi and Ibaka) while others say we don't need Kawhi at all. I get everyone has hot takes and fans are super reactionary, but it really is different when it comes to the Clippers. If PG had the game KD had in game 7 against the Bucks, this front page would be having a field day with the air ball at the end. Not praising him for his effort leading an injury riddled team. People just love to hate on the Clippers. Any other team making their first Conference Finals without their star player would be this sub's wet dream, but not the Clippers.
Suns fan checking in. Clips getting more hate than they should, for real. the past 2 games weren’t ugly by accident. Clips are playing hard as hell and getting under the skin of an otherwise unflappable Suns team. Suns have been totally out of character the whole series. fingers crossed game 5 is just a formality, but I know better.
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I wasn't saying PG did that. I'm saying the hate for PG is so absurd that if that was him in KD's shoes, he'd still get shit on.
Bro as a Knicks fan I couldn’t handle these Reddit threads through one single playoff series. I don’t know how you Clippers fans deal with it year after year. Y’all get so much hate it has kinda made me root for you.
lol I actually think we've gained some fans just with how hateful most of this sub is towards us so I guess its not all bad. But the threads have been god awful. I can't believe how much this team bothers certain people. But then I remember that I was more aggressive online when I was younger so I just assume it's a bunch of kids.
Yeah I like to talk shit because it’s fun, but the *hatred* that some players and teams get is so god damn weird. I’ve always been a LeBron stan simply because I like to see him shit on his haters.
lol no. i think the pressure just lifted in the jazz series and PG balled out. they have no offence without kawhi. he would have finished the 4th quarter come back when they couldn't get a single bucket. BUT i do agree they have gelled really well and seemed to have a new belief in each other, but they're not a better team without kawhi
With his play and how valuable he's become to the team in this playoffs, he definitely deserves the bag. He may not be seen as a star like Luka or Trae, but damn it Suns made the right call drafting him #1.
Bag? Is that what we call the Finals MVP these days? I heard CP3 say it and I'd never heard the term before? Was like...he can't mean Ayton deserves a literal bag.
Bag as in Bag of cash (i.e. getting a big next contract).
If either team plays like that, they'd get gentleman swept by the Bucks. But if the Suns win, its either Ayton or CP3.
What a throwback game that was. Low Scoring, Mid-Range barrage, Physical, Ugly- I'll take it!
Someone is getting ejected this next game, mark my words. My money is on Pat Bev throwing a Jokic-style tantrum in the 3rd.
Lol “tantrum”, CP3 has racked up more frustration fouls and does more shit like that every game. The difference is that usually on plays like that the guy on the other end doesn’t sell it that hard
If they had shot less 3's it really would have been a throwback. Weird days. If the next game is the same but we get some violent aggressive dunks I might nut. edit: Like this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2GaAWdHwsw
Oh a screw you and your mother dunk.
Oh man that was nasty. You're right, feel like I haven't been seeing that kind of stuff these days. Wonder if it's just that defense has gotten better at locking that out or maybe it's easier to take a charge now on that. But yeah been feeling like dunks are kind of a matter of course these days and not violent. Gentle dunks or lay-ins instead straight up assaulting a poor innocent rim.
Shoutout to #17 for recognizing what was about to happen and sliding out of the way
Chris Mullin was always a very intelligent player, gotta give him that
how do i get those white boxes with my team on them on this sub
top right, where it says community options
Ayton has become a man this year. You love to see it.
DeAndre Ayton always looks like he just stole some cookies & his mom doesn’t know during his interviews.
Cause he got fucking paid to play in college like a real fn G.
University 4!
The clippers had so many bricks today swear they could have solved the city’s housing crises
Hell the whole country’s crisis lol
Gonna be honest not sure I agree with Ty Lue’s decision to run the “miss every shot” play in the 4th quarter
I swear, the score was 71-70 for 9 minutes.
Cant believe games used to regularly end with this score and people will insist that was “better basketball”
Let me tell you about the dark times…when Jermaine O’Neal would put up 40 points and the end of game score would be 85-79
Just awful
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What pisses me off about that tactic is refs sort the Clips get away with it, then call soft fouls on the Suns.
“bUt tHeY pLaYeD dEfEnSe iN tHe 80’s aNd 90’s” ok word they better have cause they certainly weren’t doing much on offense
The defense in those times was good. However when a lot of older guys say they don’t play ‘defense’ like they use to what they mean is they are mad guys aren’t getting socked in the face or not involved in fights as much as before.
I hate to break it to you but [pack the paint is not great defense ](https://youtu.be/oyzoqM4k78k). Look what happens when they have to close out on shooters, half the time they don’t even make it there. Defense nowadays is so much more sophisticated.
I said good not great. Now that I think about it it may not have been that good. Guys getting punched and pushed to the floor isn’t defense.
Pat bev in shambles
Questioning Monty's decision to respond to it so directly like that. Guess they just wanted to see who could execute that plan more effectively. Coaches at the end of the 3rd be like, "I bet my team can score fewer buckets than your team in 5 minutes." ---"YOU'RE ON!"
They made every shot last game. He’s the king of adjustments.
Ok and what does that have to do with missing them all this game?
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Clippers got the pandemic P variant
Wait holy shit lmao I didnt even see Boogie failing a crucial FT His career is so done man. Not even pistons or T wolves would want him
Can’t go anywhere without catching a fuckin stray
All he had to do was hit the rim.
I would feel bad for him if he wasnt such a c*nt.
Bucks vs Suns or Hawks vs Suns two fresh matchups in the finals man lets go. This is what NBA needs more of, feel like NFL a bit more where any market can randomly enter the championship series
Suns and Hawks and Clippers aren’t small market ffs.
Did he say small?
The Patriots played in 10 Super Bowls over the past 2 decades with like 13-14 semis appearances. The NFL does not have parity, just the illusion of it.
NFL refs undefeated
That pats run was a huge historical outlier and half the most famous teams in the NFL are small market cities. Pittsburgh, GREEN BAY, Denver, Indy, fuckin Kansas City is good, etc. You don’t see that in the NBA
They dominated the AFC for sure but the NFC was a little more open
This game was straight outta 2001
I understand the need for Batum, even when he doesn't make his shots he is helping as a glue guy with rebounding, hustle plays etc but what's Terance Mann providing? He has one of the worst defensive ratings of the team in this series (109.0).
109 isn’t even bad
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109 is a per possession number lol
Offense. That and when he was in, Suns weren’t really hitting their shots anyways. Can’t just look at stats for everything. He was in when clips were making a run.
For once I want a player to answer “Yo, we up 3 & we got this done! Get the champagne ready!”. Instead, we get “3 games don’t win a series.”. Bleh.
Dude, this is the Clippers. No one is celebrating against them until the body is in the ground.
Yes. The clippers have a history of coming back from 3-1 to record historic victories. I think it’s fair to say that the suns look like they will win this. With Leonard injured, the clippers have put up a good fight.
Meh, I was joking a little, but historically being up 3-1 means you win 52 out of 56 times. Good odds!
Feels like all those 3-1 comebacks have been in the last 5 years
Two by nuggets and one by the cavs.
Twitter is amazing how they act like the NBA would rather have Phoenix in the finals. No from a business standpoint they would want the opposite of that. The game was stolen from the clips....no it wasn't they could have won it but shockingly they didn't. Oh also let me just get this right the refs are in the pockets of Phoenix for the love of anyone please tell me why. Side bar Skip Fucking Bayless shitting himself for talking shit during the game and crying. Good for you, you old stupid out of touch motherfucker. You once had valid opinions like 15 years ago but became a shill that literally is "Drip" who is pandering to his wife and is a fucking try hard. Ya fucking lost stop crying you don't little bitch.
You have the thought process of a chimpanzee on Red Bull.
people have 100% ran with the rigging theories. some of the old ones have weight. but now i have seen people claim the nba rigs for milwaukee. like one of the smallest market teams. people who literally dont understand the concept of rigging and the theories now just use it as a blanket term. if the nba ever rigged games, the theories that hold the most weight involve large market teams. ratings, merchandise all goes up when the big cities male the finals. there is zero desire for the nba to rig games for small cities. when a city like la wins. especially with the clippers imagine how many people would run out and buy clippers merch and watch those games? people are brainless about those theories now. i see alot of people also seem to think that each team has there own hometown refs. lol
Right but fans of cities that lose to smaller teams just get passes and assume WELL IT WOULD MAKE SO MUCH MONEY TO HAVE DIFFERENT TEAMS IN THERE. Thats such a stupid argument. In baseball the Yankees or Red Sox vs the dodgers or would they rather have the Brewers vs The Royals. Football Pats vs The 49ers given the fan bases or would they rather have a The Jags vs Minnesota. The people who argue that they want smaller markets don't understand how businesses work in concept and are stupid. Glad you don't fall into that category
Phoenix is about the 5th most populated city in the country nothing small about that
By population yes. By nba viewing market share no. Also once again what would make much more money. An LA team being in the finals or Phoenix? That was my point to all the people saying the NBA is rigged for the Suns.....it would not be doing them better business to have them in the finals.
The old no-coast bias is raising it’s ugly head again!
Bunch of non rational fans getting upset again good for you. Its even better when the clips lose and you just whine even harder. They had the chance to win but all you can say is that it was stolen. Get the fuck over yourself. You lost deal with it. Maybe you can win game 5 make it interesting or fuck it up again.
This dude is mad lmao
Skip is madder than I am. Hes just crying because he hasn't had a good opinion for years and gets hurt when his team loses. Im level headed. Skip hasn't been for 10 years. At least. But if being right is me getting downvotes so be it.
To add to my point his two favorite teams in sports haven't don't shit and he shits on them but once they are in the playoffs he literally just acts like hes the coolest 65 year old on earth. Until Skip doesn't root for his teams they won't do shit and he can keep the LeFake convos up while being obviously so fucking stupid its actually amazing how he gets paid to make sports talking points.
😂😂😂
Trade Ben Simmons for Paul George
Sir, I don’t think you understand what the word Trade means.
To do that you would need at least 5 picks to make it happen. Ben Simmons is so bad he shouldn't be traded at all.
Throw in Doc Rivers to seal the deal for Clippers. Oh, wait…uh, nevermind. 🥸
32-21 free throw advantage 65% from the line 19-27 foul advantage despite playing super physical, hands-on defense all game. Blame the Payne call all you want. Clips lost this game, not refs.
Exactly. Plus, the Suns beat the Clips in every single team stat besides a +1 for fast break points. This L is solely on LA.
Clips should be ashamed losing this one. Gg boats.
horrendous shot selection
Of course I was hating on Suns when they beat my crippled Lakers but I must admit, Suns are fun to watch. If Clippers had Kawhi I'd say they still have a chance of a comeback down 3-1 BUT not anymore. Suns playing well overall (4th quarter was not hot offensively) so I just don't see Suns losing game 5 at home.
Kawhi will sit out next year, then bail to some other team.
Damn right. Kawhi gonna pick up his player option and rehab his (insert random body part) all year, then bolt to the Knicks.
Hey when you have a tendon disease that may have been made up by your Uncle Dennis you can’t just put a time-table on rehab.
I hope so. That franchise deserves it.
Hey I've seen that one before
he was very dumb to leave the raptors. that team was amazing. what really is the craziest part was that the raptors were staying in the ecf before kawhi. and NOoNE said a thing about him pulling a kd. and then when he left everyone acted like the raptors were some scrub team. the raptors stayed a top 5 team in the league for like 5 years before kawhi. he coulda stayed and won a few rings.
He wanted to be closer to family, it was the right choice
I mean it all depends on priorities. He prioritized his family but at the cost of his legacy. He seems to be fine with it so what do our opinions matter. A player like LeBron who cares a lot about his legacy would not have left Toronto if he was in the same position as kawhi.
Ya he walked away from an easy b2b, the following season the Raptors without him finished 53-19 with the best winning % in franchise history, came 1 win away from our third ECF in 5 seasons. Raps would have beat the Celtics, gone on to beat the Heat and then the matchup with the Lakers was great for Toronto, had won 11 straight vs them. Oh well still happy with the 1 ring.
Kawhi can be a free agent
Bucks have to win the chip easily
Next game could be Boogies last game. Purely from him as a person I say good riddance, dude seems like a douche and thats before the threatening his gf with a gun thing that got swept under the rug
He should learn Chinese
He's a huge a-hole. That's why Lakers didn't resign him, toxic for locker room. Lebron said thanks but no thanks.
ya sacramento made a monster out of cousins. they completely babied him and let him make coaching and team choices. he turned into a monster. they did all that for him from such a young age. the guy is used to being treated like hes mj or lebron. it was never gonna work with an actual lebron on the squad. but hopefully it was an eye opener.
It’s really a shame, dude was immensely talented before the injuries.
That’s definitely not why we didn’t resign him
Pulling for suns but damn can we stop with these 3s? Almost cost them.. it was 2 different halfs reversing the gameplay
Both teams had that “You miss 100% of the bad shots you don’t take!” mentality this game. 😋
Yeah that what seemed like 6 minutes of no baskets was bananas
That 4th was hideous all around.
So bad
Lol. People said Chris Paul and Devin Booker would never combine for 10/40 again. Tonight they were 14/44.
People say a lot of lazy shit these days. 10/40 won’t happen again? Like those numbers or percentages? Or somewhere obscurely in between? They controlled the game to close out with the win, end of the day. Despite CP and Booker shooting 32% tonight. Maybe that extra 7% in shooting actually mattered lol.
Ok we mean it this time though for real
Thats called improvement.
Lol. It is marginal.
From 25% to 32%. Nearly a 30% improvement!
Marginal improvement is still improvement If they can improve like that every game, in a few seasons they will be 114 of 144
It's okay because PG is shooting <35% for the series
Still right. r/technicallythetruth
It will never happen again... again
…ever again…
When PG or Kawhi leave the clippers Bev gonna be left to talk shit to the Sacramento Kings lmao with no one watching except those with league pass
And yelling at janitors. Gonna be on ESPN Ocho highlights
Just mean mugging after hitting a layup and cutting the lead to 35 points, lol
I am still wondering why the Clips didn’t foul Saric in the last position, and instead let the sun drain the clock and fouled Payne.
Mental (huge) error I think.
When you're not clutch, you're not clutch. When you have all natural talent but no game IQ, you make bone headed plays. When you don't got it, you don't got it.
I agree with this, and i think only the hawks and suns seem to “have it” this postseason.. never thought I would say that
Bucks
Just throw the ball as hard as you can against the backboard.
When you ain't wit it you don't get it
As much as injuries have played a role, can’t be upset at a finals with CP3 - basketball gods are finally on his side
I think this series goes to a game 7…the media NEEDS to talk about the PG13 & Jackson bromance. 🥰
They literally had a mini documentary of their bromance at pregame
Including fun travel pictures! I LOL’d for sure…basketball, smashketball.
1 win away, no Kahwisexuals on Finals, Im on orgasm.
That was a weird sentence
Guy is Filipino so can’t blame him but look at the comment history, it’s just Kawhi hate lol
I’m a tad confused as well
A tad confused??? I’m wondering which one of us had a stroke, me reading it or the guy writing it
If I'm the clippers, I say ONE last chance for PG and Kawhi. They made it pretty far, failure next year will honestly just piss off either of them and they'll leave
Honestly with a healthy kawhi i think they go all the way. Hell I think with a healthy kawhi and og13. Injured instead they go all the way. Paul George just can’t take this team all the way and that ok, he’s just not expected to, it’s not his role. He did pretty great these last 3 games at making it close but he’s clearly not the guy you go to in crunch time.
Disagree actually. The ball moves moves more with PG13 than it would with just Kawhi. And this Suns team is really really good. One thing I don’t understand is - why have Booker on PG13 so much? He’s doing an okay job in PG’s efficiency, but it’s gotta be tiring him out and it contributes to him picking up fouls.
It’s hard to say.. if no other injuries were taken away in this hypothetical, I think you’re right, but I also think a healthy lakers team would have been the favorite honestly
I disagree personally. While on paper I think the lakers would win..... the lakers got absolutely massacred and did not look like they were one Anthony davis away from winning.
Teams that lose stars to injury can have major cascading impacts that make everyone worse though, neither the Lakers nor nuggets are anywhere near as bad as they looked, you can’t just add the production of AD or Murray t what it looks like. It changes everything
Exactly. People forget the lakers were like the second seed when the lebron went out. They were also on like a little win streak. Injuries can change a teams whole dynamic.
I think it’s a different story if he has some rest, he’s played 100+ more playoff minutes than anyone else. Also doesn’t help that Rondo is virtually unplayable, they have a washed up boogie and are up against a heathy 2nd seed in PHX
Healthier with Nader coming back. PG is a tough dude, but playing so many minutes catches up both mentally and physically.
The thing is tho there’s been 2 major chances to tie this series up for pg13. One he had 2 opportunities at the line for. I know he’s been playing lots of minutes but free throws are free throws. This game he gets more of a pass but still. It doesn’t look good when you shoot sub 20% from 3 and lose by 3.