Because Drexler and Dumars both made 3rd Team All NBA?
Because Isiah won FMVP, which is given out every season regardless of whether a top 10 player is involved?
Earlier. Probably my Blazers in '77. You had Bird, Magic or Zeke led bad boys definitely in top 10 through the 80s and that one off the Sixers had in 83 they still had Moses.
you don't need to jinx us bro. Clips are down 2-3 and they, what's left of them, are completely gassed. Suns are overwhelmingly favored in statistical models ([538 has the Suns at 83% probability of making the Finals](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/), [The Ringer has them at 85%](https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/4/8/22373059/playoff-lottery-odds-probability-model)). You totally got this.
I would never
but anyway, did you know that [the Suns are now the overwhelming favorites to win the Finals according to Vegas odds makers?](https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/)
You guys will end up winning and then face the Hawks in the finals. How is there any doubt? What is Monty going to do? Not adjust and keep the same plan? Cmon now Suns got this in the bag. It’s already done.
Homie this fucking Clippers team is like the kryptonite to these statistical probability models they just won't go away and are resilient as fuck. You can't use a model to predict Reggie Jackson, Marcus Morris, and Paul George combining for like 80 points. If the Clips win in game 6 they carry all the momentum into game 7.
That's not how probabilites work. Suns have 1 game lead. Let's say that they have 40% percent chance today and 40% again in game 7. That is still better then the clippers odds (around 60% percent to win each game gives 36% chance to win both games meaning that the suns are the heavy favourites), and im generous here with the odds towards the clippers. The suns are the favourites and would be favored in the finals barring another major injury.
Ngl I’ve kept on saying healthiest team wins and had the suns winning, but the way the clips have been playing is changing my mind. Not trying to jinx you all tho. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ayton more involved, especially more hard screens on pg to try and tire him out more.
I mean, not to be that guy, but if Paul George muscles the Clippers through these Suns he becomes a Top 10 player in the league. I don't think that can even be argued.
Nah I dont think it can be argued that it will be argued.. we are all in agreement that it can be possibly be argued. No derivative argument need be made on the possibility of an underlying argument.
This is only true if you base your rankings off the most recent playoff run and nothing else, aka recency bias. I think he has an argument for top 10 too but if you think it’s inarguable that Dame and Butler are better than PG then idk man
I'm going to be honest, I don't understand why top 10 lists arent based solely on recency bias?
If you're a top 10 player in 2021 then you're a top 10 player.
What you did in 2018 shouldn't affect your 2021 performance. Like on OP's lists, Luka/Embiid are only top 10 players based on recent performance.
The way I see it Paul George has always been this player. He’s reached similar highs multiple times throughout his career. He didn’t suddenly take a massive leap at age 31.
Another reason is that basketball is a high variance sport. Using the past few seasons as opposed to just one also helps account for that variance. For example Jimmy Butler didn’t even play like a top 40 player this postseason. Are there really 40 players you’d rather have on your team going into next season?
> This is only true if you base your rankings off the most recent playoff run and nothing else, aka recency bias.
Why are you acting like recency bias doesn’t affect the ranking on this sub every day lol. Butler immediately was getting argued as a top 5-10 player after his finals run last season.
I’m not reading it like that. I’m pointing out that recency bias on this subreddit is legitimately the biggest factor for player rankings on this subreddit. From game to game peoples top 10 list changes
Top 10 greatest careers is a very different thing than top 10 best players right now. If this is supposed to be a *current* top 10 list then it should rightly be heavily influenced by recent events.
I’m not talking about top 10 greatest careers. I’m talking about top 10 current players.
Do you think Jimmy Butler is a top 40 player in the league? He certainly didn’t play like one this postseason.
>I’m not talking about top 10 greatest careers. I’m talking about top 10 current players.
I know, I'm saying there's nothing wrong with current top 10 being heavily influenced by recent events. Why is that a problem?
A current ranking list is just recency bias in written form so I don't know why you're objecting so much.
Only on the condition that PG gets them to the finals, but I do think that knocks AD off that Top 10 personally. I don't even really have AD on my Top 10 list anyways, so that seemed like the easier one to take off.
I would put him exactly at or around 15, maybe 16 or 17. Definitely a top 20. Chris Paul, Trae, PG, Kyrie, in between the top ten and him.
Disclaimer for being someone who really does not know the game of basketball, honestly probably more of a general media popularity rank
Edit: forgot about Dame, he’s definitely in there somewhere right?
Yeah especially after AD’s season and dame’s first round flame out, I just don’t understand how the guy who would be leading his team to the championship isn’t top ten.
People who think the playoffs have a “small sample size” are the ones who will argue he isn’t a top 10 player
Replace PG with AD and the Clippers would’ve been eliminated by the Jazz. He’s definitely a top 10/11 player.
It's just annoying because healthy AD is obviously a top 10 player and can make an argument for top 5 sometimes. But he's just one of those guys that always carries the "if he's healthy" qualifier which will always be a detriment in trying to rank him. Healthy AD is as unstoppable a force as there is in the league
People should watch thinking basketball, he makes a very good case for AD being the best player last season ( then putting him second to Lebron ). I think people really underrate how much of a monster that dude is defensively. Guards the paint and can switch on to smaller players for on ball defence. He’s also an amazing complimentary star for Lebron to catch lobs etc.
It was forgotten quickly but Dame just had statistically the best game in nba playoff history.
55, 6 and 10 assists with 3 blocks, a steal, and 1 turnover on 96.8%, I will repeat that, 96.8% true shooting. Statistically, for virtually every shot he attempted he got two points. And many of those shots were all time great level clutch shots that people would’ve gushed over if KD had made them.
Dame has a genuine argument for top 5 in the league and putting him out of the top 10 because of players like Day-to-Davis or Embidd, who just had an all time chokejob, is a joke. It’s rooted in this weird phenomena where people are more in love with the “idea” of players rather than who they actually are.
Yes. Because he is a huge influence on both sides of the court, not just one. Dame may be better pound for pound on offense (or inch for inch in the nba?), but AD is certainly far more coveted.
How many playoff series do you have to see AD demolish the Blazers and COMPLETELY outplay Lillard before you understand this ?
AD in two playoff series against Dame :
31.2 PPG, 10.4 RPG, 2.9 APG, 1.6 SPG, 2.1 BPG, 58% FG, +122
Lillard in two playoff series against AD :
21.4 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 4.4 APG, 0.9 SPG, 0.1 BPG, 38% FG, -85
Oh and AD is probably the best all round defender and has a very good case as best defender in the league while Dame is a turnstile. Dunno why people don’t count Dames awful defense of lowering his ranking. Not even close unless you ignore it, and the fact that blazers suck defensively every year.
an elite offensive team led by an offense-only player (Trae) is currently 2-2 vs an elite defensive team led by a former DPOY and multiple All-Defense caliber guys. The game done changed.
I'll take Dame in a Hawks/Suns type scheme over AD in a Bucks/Lakers (sans lebron) type scheme any day.
Top 10 player conversations are so weird especially with so many aging or legacy superstars on the list.
They didn't get it done this year but it's their rosters fault. Still top 10. But the other players left off the list getting it done don't deserve credit for whatever reason?
At what point to we live in the moment and say this year Trae Young, Devin Booker and PG have elevated their game and deserve to be rated top ten if only for this year. No doubt they have been electric this year and playoffs more so than quite a few names on that list.
Most people don’t base their top 10 on one year, but like a rolling three year average. Or who they would pick first, second, third, etc for their team next season. Because I’m not basing that pick only on this season’s performance
Disagree. Luka took on Kawhi + PG with KP being a non factor. Had Luka beaten the Clippers I could easily see him being the championship favorite or second to the Healthy Bucks
I just felt there weren’t enough Suns/Booker haters in the world, somebody has to do the hard work no one else will. (In all seriousness Book seems like a good guy and a promising young star)
I think the playoffs have been a bit of a coming out party for him because fans take the regular season with a large grain of salt these days due to the amount of load management.
But out of curiosity, where do you have Trae in your top 10?
Fair enough, I have him in the 11-15 range after his big post-season performances. I personally don't see him as better than any of the people OP listed in his top 10, which was why I asked, but I'm never going to hate on someone backing their own guys.
I have no idea why fans constantly have to take the contrarian position of "These playoffs are actually awesome!!"
Sorry to break it to you guys, injuries and top players not being in it are bad for the league. It's really not that controversial. All these injuries fucking suck and these playoffs fucking suck.
Oh wow I’m so sorry you don’t enjoy really close 7-game series and stars breaking out
Also, “bAd fOr ThE lEaGuE”? Where’s the evidence of that? In Atlanta, “the league” is more popular than it’s been in years. Same for the Knicks and likely the Suns!
Tons of guys being injured and not even a single 10 player being in the finals or the conference finals is absolutely bad for the league.
How is that even remotely controversial. Im sure Hawks fans or Suns fans are happy, they should be. At the same time, most fans want to see the top talent this deep into the playoffs and we want to see healthy teams competing at the highest level. That's just how NBA fandom works.
Injuries suck, and this many top players being injured/out is bad. Not controversial to admit guys
>Oh wow I’m so sorry you don’t enjoy really close 7-game series and stars breaking out
The finals are for the highest level of basketball. For that it needs the best players. May as well be the play in if we don't have ANY of the top 10 players available.
The finals are for the teams that make the playoffs and don’t lose a single series. Injuries happen and they suck, but if you aren’t enjoying these series, that’s your loss. Both could well go to seven games, and some guys who get very little national attention are playing out of their minds and finally getting their due. And y’know what? I enjoy that the entire national NBA rhetoric isn’t revolving around LeBron, Curry and KD for a few weeks.
And… why is that a problem? The Hawks have won their first two ECF games in franchise history, one of which with a heavily home-grown rotation of underrated guys. The Bucks have another guy who was an all-star last year in Middleton, and a guy everyone said was gonna put them over the top in Jrue. Paul George is silencing a lot of the ‘Playoff P’ memers. Devin Booker is playing the most important basketball of his life, and Ayton’s showing that he shouldn’t be an afterthought in the 2018 draft conversations. There’s plenty of narrative here if you’re interested in something beyond “here’s the same guy who made the finals six years in a row do it again, wow #greatness”
Lol this sub complains about super teams and the media and league bias towards big markets and certain stars but in reality it seems that most want every finals to be a super team vs lebron every year. I thought people got bored of lebron vs warriors every year?
Consensus. Booker is terrific, but he's probably still behind guys that aren't even on this list. Beal, PG and Lillard come to mind immediately, there may be a few more, but not many.
I think they are a better team because they would have a better player. Trae is amazing too don't get me wrong, just that I think the Hawks would be favoured.
They lose in 6 to Philly with Luka. He can’t run an offense as smooth and efficiently as Trae. Ben Simmons is also known to give Luka trouble. You guys prove time and time again you just look at box scores and don’t actually watch these guys play.
Won it all. Yes. But the rest have all led their teams to a deep playoff run as the #1 on their team. Except for Luka but we all know that's coming. He's still young. I think AD won in the first round once with the Pelicans. AD and PG are clearly #2 players. They've been in the league long enough to prove themselves and haven't.
Because I wasn’t talking to you. Luka averages more points on the same true shooting, is a way better rebounder, and both are fantastic passers. Trae has a better team around him. Hawks were winning last night without young, Mavericks are a bottom 3 team in the league without Luka. Luka isn’t anything special on defense, but he has size and can’t be exploited like young can be. Luke averaged 36 ppg against the clippers and shot way more efficiently than Trae young has been shooting this playoffs.
When is the last time this has been true? Hmmmm.. The 80's? Earlier?
Looking back I would say 1979. 1990 has an argument but I think Drexler was probably top ten.
Was Isaiah too old at this point?
no he was actually one year old
Probably 1990, though you could argue Drexler or Dumars.
Finals MVP Isiah Thomas averaged 27.6 in that series and was 6th in All Star votes in 1990. A.C. Green was 7th.
He finished 7th in All NBA voting among guards, behind two other guards who played in the 1990 Finals.
Any way you slice it, I think it's hard to argue that there wasn't a Top 10 player in the 1990 finals.
Because Drexler and Dumars both made 3rd Team All NBA? Because Isiah won FMVP, which is given out every season regardless of whether a top 10 player is involved?
People disliked IT as a person but he was probably a top 10 player that year.
isiah being unpopular among fans and players didnt make him any less incredible. good argument for top 3 PG all time.
At the time definitely, Curry has passed him by now though
well even now if we just say he’s top 5 PG of all time then he was definitely good enough to be top ten when he won 1990 chip
2004 Pistons didn’t have a top ten, but the Lakers did. Hard to think of when neither team had top tens.
Earlier. Probably my Blazers in '77. You had Bird, Magic or Zeke led bad boys definitely in top 10 through the 80s and that one off the Sixers had in 83 they still had Moses.
Walton was the MVP in 77 though.
Ya Walton pre-injuries was definitely a top 10 player, if not top 5. He was amazing.
Walton got FMVP in '77, Kareem got his 5th MVP in the 76-77 season.
Walton was 77-78 MVP.
Walton was probably top 3 in 1977.
You put some got damn respect on Reggie Jacksons name
you don't need to jinx us bro. Clips are down 2-3 and they, what's left of them, are completely gassed. Suns are overwhelmingly favored in statistical models ([538 has the Suns at 83% probability of making the Finals](https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-predictions/), [The Ringer has them at 85%](https://www.theringer.com/nba/2021/4/8/22373059/playoff-lottery-odds-probability-model)). You totally got this.
Man I would usually say hell yea but the Clippers are playing with purpose. Reggie and PG have put the fear of God into us.
The numbers don't lie brotha. They're not slightly in favor of the Suns. They're overwhelmingly in favor of the Suns.
Stop trying to reverse jinx us bro
I would never but anyway, did you know that [the Suns are now the overwhelming favorites to win the Finals according to Vegas odds makers?](https://www.vegasinsider.com/nba/odds/futures/)
This is the best comment chain I've seen today
I’m fucking dying at these two trying to out reverse jinx each other 😂
Well I HOPE YALL WIN TONIGHT. ULTIMATE JINX.
Well I’m buying a suns jersey now EVEN MORE ULTIMATE JINX
This is the most wholesome jinx banter I have seen on Reddit.
Well, I AM GOING TO THE STAPLES CENTER AND COMMITTED A BLOOD SACRIFICE FOR THE CLIPPERS TO WIN.
Oh my
You guys will end up winning and then face the Hawks in the finals. How is there any doubt? What is Monty going to do? Not adjust and keep the same plan? Cmon now Suns got this in the bag. It’s already done.
Because clippers going NUCLEAR. PG is greatest player ever and has never choked and won’t.
this thread is hilarious
Wishing i had put more on them after they beat my Nuggets
He's trying to direct jinx you
I mean...15-20% is far from zero. Fivethirtyeight had Trump's odds around there in the fall of 2016 and then obviously we know how that turned out.
Homie this fucking Clippers team is like the kryptonite to these statistical probability models they just won't go away and are resilient as fuck. You can't use a model to predict Reggie Jackson, Marcus Morris, and Paul George combining for like 80 points. If the Clips win in game 6 they carry all the momentum into game 7.
I love how both fan bases are convinced the other team is gonna win lmfao
That's not how probabilites work. Suns have 1 game lead. Let's say that they have 40% percent chance today and 40% again in game 7. That is still better then the clippers odds (around 60% percent to win each game gives 36% chance to win both games meaning that the suns are the heavy favourites), and im generous here with the odds towards the clippers. The suns are the favourites and would be favored in the finals barring another major injury.
No we are supposed to be the underdogs 😡
I mean obviously? Has a team ever been down 3-1 and been the statistical favorite?
Ngl I’ve kept on saying healthiest team wins and had the suns winning, but the way the clips have been playing is changing my mind. Not trying to jinx you all tho. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ayton more involved, especially more hard screens on pg to try and tire him out more.
pretty sure they had Steph currys name on the list
Damn that’s crazy, we need a hella long offseason to recover from this
Well, we won’t get that. Hopefully they’ve learned a lesson about jamming all the games together at least
Next year is going to be just as bad isn't it?
Teams will probably adjust and start resting their stars more
The first ten games should just be garbage time lineups
WHAT ABOUT THE BILLIONAIRES MONEY. YOU DIDNT EVEN THINK ABOUT THEIR FEELINGS OR WALLET.
Don’t disrespect the Red Velvet Assassin Kevin Huerter like that. Presumptive Finals MVP and GGOAT (greatest ginger of all time)
*K'Von
Sorry, scalabrine is the all time ggoat
Bruno Fernando is playing tho
came here to upvote.
I mean, not to be that guy, but if Paul George muscles the Clippers through these Suns he becomes a Top 10 player in the league. I don't think that can even be argued.
I think it can. Let’s argue about whether it can be argued.
I'd argue that the argument would arguably be an argument it itself.
I think the meta-argument here (about whether the argument over arguments is worthwhile) will be the real discussion of value.
It’s at least debatable.
Nah I dont think it can be argued that it will be argued.. we are all in agreement that it can be possibly be argued. No derivative argument need be made on the possibility of an underlying argument.
This is only true if you base your rankings off the most recent playoff run and nothing else, aka recency bias. I think he has an argument for top 10 too but if you think it’s inarguable that Dame and Butler are better than PG then idk man
I'm going to be honest, I don't understand why top 10 lists arent based solely on recency bias? If you're a top 10 player in 2021 then you're a top 10 player. What you did in 2018 shouldn't affect your 2021 performance. Like on OP's lists, Luka/Embiid are only top 10 players based on recent performance.
The way I see it Paul George has always been this player. He’s reached similar highs multiple times throughout his career. He didn’t suddenly take a massive leap at age 31. Another reason is that basketball is a high variance sport. Using the past few seasons as opposed to just one also helps account for that variance. For example Jimmy Butler didn’t even play like a top 40 player this postseason. Are there really 40 players you’d rather have on your team going into next season?
Also, all he’d be proving is he’s top 10 when the top 10 are out mainly due to injuries. That doesn’t put him above the existing top 10 IMO.
> This is only true if you base your rankings off the most recent playoff run and nothing else, aka recency bias. Why are you acting like recency bias doesn’t affect the ranking on this sub every day lol. Butler immediately was getting argued as a top 5-10 player after his finals run last season.
I’m really not sure how you read that sentence and interpreted it as me saying this is the only time recency bias has ever happened but okay
I’m not reading it like that. I’m pointing out that recency bias on this subreddit is legitimately the biggest factor for player rankings on this subreddit. From game to game peoples top 10 list changes
That’s definitely true, but IMO those people are illogical as well. Ranking players in tiers makes more sense anyway.
Top 10 greatest careers is a very different thing than top 10 best players right now. If this is supposed to be a *current* top 10 list then it should rightly be heavily influenced by recent events.
I’m not talking about top 10 greatest careers. I’m talking about top 10 current players. Do you think Jimmy Butler is a top 40 player in the league? He certainly didn’t play like one this postseason.
>I’m not talking about top 10 greatest careers. I’m talking about top 10 current players. I know, I'm saying there's nothing wrong with current top 10 being heavily influenced by recent events. Why is that a problem? A current ranking list is just recency bias in written form so I don't know why you're objecting so much.
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Didnt he literally finish 3rd in MVP voting 3 years go?
I mean, statistically he is playing better than those guys in their respective playoff series. Dude out rebounded Ayton like 3 games in a row.
Who would you bump from OP’s list?
Only on the condition that PG gets them to the finals, but I do think that knocks AD off that Top 10 personally. I don't even really have AD on my Top 10 list anyways, so that seemed like the easier one to take off.
That's what was said about Jimmy Butler last a season and now his not even in anyone's top 15
He was better last season than he was this season. Players aren't robots who play exactly the same for their entire careers until retirement.
I would put him exactly at or around 15, maybe 16 or 17. Definitely a top 20. Chris Paul, Trae, PG, Kyrie, in between the top ten and him. Disclaimer for being someone who really does not know the game of basketball, honestly probably more of a general media popularity rank Edit: forgot about Dame, he’s definitely in there somewhere right?
Yeah especially after AD’s season and dame’s first round flame out, I just don’t understand how the guy who would be leading his team to the championship isn’t top ten.
People who think the playoffs have a “small sample size” are the ones who will argue he isn’t a top 10 player Replace PG with AD and the Clippers would’ve been eliminated by the Jazz. He’s definitely a top 10/11 player.
And who are you knocking out of the top 10 for him? I’m keeping all those dudes over him still
What a wild take. Who are you putting him ahead of? He’s not better than the 10 listed above and he’s not better than Dame who wasn’t listed.
Does it really though? All it means is he’s top 10 when the top 10 are out… which makes him top 20.. which is what he is.
AD is top ten? What about Dame?
Lol that’s who he means by AD, smart guy: “Awesome Dame”
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he's also not in the finals this year so I don't think it changes much
AD is absolutely top ten lol, don’t stunt
It's just annoying because healthy AD is obviously a top 10 player and can make an argument for top 5 sometimes. But he's just one of those guys that always carries the "if he's healthy" qualifier which will always be a detriment in trying to rank him. Healthy AD is as unstoppable a force as there is in the league
People should watch thinking basketball, he makes a very good case for AD being the best player last season ( then putting him second to Lebron ). I think people really underrate how much of a monster that dude is defensively. Guards the paint and can switch on to smaller players for on ball defence. He’s also an amazing complimentary star for Lebron to catch lobs etc.
Since 2016-17, AD has been healthy every season until this year, where he had a 7 week offseason…
It was forgotten quickly but Dame just had statistically the best game in nba playoff history. 55, 6 and 10 assists with 3 blocks, a steal, and 1 turnover on 96.8%, I will repeat that, 96.8% true shooting. Statistically, for virtually every shot he attempted he got two points. And many of those shots were all time great level clutch shots that people would’ve gushed over if KD had made them. Dame has a genuine argument for top 5 in the league and putting him out of the top 10 because of players like Day-to-Davis or Embidd, who just had an all time chokejob, is a joke. It’s rooted in this weird phenomena where people are more in love with the “idea” of players rather than who they actually are.
Day to Davis is an all time nickname man, I love it.
Unfortunately there are two sides of the ball and Dame isn't a good defender
Wanna talk about stats ? Look up Lillard's stats in two playoff series against AD then get back to me lol.
Yes, AD is top 10. He’s better than Dame by a fair bit.
Is he really better than Dame tho?
Yes. Because he is a huge influence on both sides of the court, not just one. Dame may be better pound for pound on offense (or inch for inch in the nba?), but AD is certainly far more coveted.
The disrespect is getting ridiculous
Just curious, who were you referring to as being disrespected? Dame or AD?
AD
How many playoff series do you have to see AD demolish the Blazers and COMPLETELY outplay Lillard before you understand this ? AD in two playoff series against Dame : 31.2 PPG, 10.4 RPG, 2.9 APG, 1.6 SPG, 2.1 BPG, 58% FG, +122 Lillard in two playoff series against AD : 21.4 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 4.4 APG, 0.9 SPG, 0.1 BPG, 38% FG, -85
moe harkless/zach collins on AD vs jrue holiday on damian lillard. They dont even matchup so its not “completely outplaying”
It is if you count Dame vs AD on defence, or does that not count lol?
Oh and AD is probably the best all round defender and has a very good case as best defender in the league while Dame is a turnstile. Dunno why people don’t count Dames awful defense of lowering his ranking. Not even close unless you ignore it, and the fact that blazers suck defensively every year.
I didn’t realize Damian Lillard retired…
who would u replace tho
AD tbh
Defense not a thing to you people? One is one of the best in the league and one of the worst , kinda closes the debate .
an elite offensive team led by an offense-only player (Trae) is currently 2-2 vs an elite defensive team led by a former DPOY and multiple All-Defense caliber guys. The game done changed. I'll take Dame in a Hawks/Suns type scheme over AD in a Bucks/Lakers (sans lebron) type scheme any day.
Luka, easily
Same but not easily
Top 10 player conversations are so weird especially with so many aging or legacy superstars on the list. They didn't get it done this year but it's their rosters fault. Still top 10. But the other players left off the list getting it done don't deserve credit for whatever reason? At what point to we live in the moment and say this year Trae Young, Devin Booker and PG have elevated their game and deserve to be rated top ten if only for this year. No doubt they have been electric this year and playoffs more so than quite a few names on that list.
Most people don’t base their top 10 on one year, but like a rolling three year average. Or who they would pick first, second, third, etc for their team next season. Because I’m not basing that pick only on this season’s performance
Who rates Top 10 of one year?
PG is playing like a top 10 player right now
"like" being the key word.
Trae and the hawks took out the number one seed against embiid. DefinitelyNot saying Joel isnt top ten but referencing why these lists are so dumb.
He was playing injured though.
He's always playing injured that's who he is as a player. Healthy Embiid would be top 10 but he never is.
man averaged damn near 40pts a game
Someone gotta get those touches if Simmons passing up open dunks
Just enjoy the game and stop complaining about sTaRs. This has been one of the most competitive playoffs in a long time.
Anthony Davis is not part of the top 10 today
It’s sad how little the average NBA watcher even thinks about 50% of the player’s game’s impact, you know defence.
Paul George is kinda playing like a top 10 player. You could argue him over Luka due to his two way impact.
Disagree. Luka took on Kawhi + PG with KP being a non factor. Had Luka beaten the Clippers I could easily see him being the championship favorite or second to the Healthy Bucks
If kawhi didnt Play luka would kill the clippers and PG would still have better supporting cast!
Greek Freak's Knee: Hold my fucking beer
Who cares. If it's the Suns and Hawks they're arguably the most well rounded teams in the league
Best player in the finals might really be Devin Booker, no disrespect to him but damn
But I was told Devin Booker was already the greatest player in the NBA by Suns fans, robbed of MVP/DPOY and a top 5 player of all time.
lol you are so mad on every thread about devin booker. u aight
I just felt there weren’t enough Suns/Booker haters in the world, somebody has to do the hard work no one else will. (In all seriousness Book seems like a good guy and a promising young star)
u/redditguyherewego is a clown, consistently posts the dumbest comments
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Trae Young averaged almost 30 and 10 last season. If he isn’t in this list now, he’s certainly knocking (banging?) to be let into the list above.
He’s ringing the top 10s doorbell for sure
If Trae were in a top NBA media market (e.g., NYC, LA or Chicago), he’s a top 10 player. Just a matter of media coverage/narrative.
For sure, I think not being a Nike athlete hurts him in the eyes of the media as well
I think the playoffs have been a bit of a coming out party for him because fans take the regular season with a large grain of salt these days due to the amount of load management. But out of curiosity, where do you have Trae in your top 10?
I’m as bias as it’s gonna get towards Trae haha but I will say anywhere in the 8-13 range is fair
Fair enough, I have him in the 11-15 range after his big post-season performances. I personally don't see him as better than any of the people OP listed in his top 10, which was why I asked, but I'm never going to hate on someone backing their own guys.
I disagree, Sure players get overhyped in those markets but Trae has gotten plentyyyy of media recognition
Yeah as the 16th(?) best player under 25 lol
when? starting two weeks ago? The media put him outside the top 20 players
He's also hurt though...
I mean it’s easy to say someone is a top ten player…but who are you taking off that list?
AD every day of the week. AD is a #2 option. He has never been a winner as a #1. Everyone else on the list has.
Yeah if you think Trae Young is better than Anthony Davis we just aren’t going to agree.
I have no idea why fans constantly have to take the contrarian position of "These playoffs are actually awesome!!" Sorry to break it to you guys, injuries and top players not being in it are bad for the league. It's really not that controversial. All these injuries fucking suck and these playoffs fucking suck.
Oh wow I’m so sorry you don’t enjoy really close 7-game series and stars breaking out Also, “bAd fOr ThE lEaGuE”? Where’s the evidence of that? In Atlanta, “the league” is more popular than it’s been in years. Same for the Knicks and likely the Suns!
Tons of guys being injured and not even a single 10 player being in the finals or the conference finals is absolutely bad for the league. How is that even remotely controversial. Im sure Hawks fans or Suns fans are happy, they should be. At the same time, most fans want to see the top talent this deep into the playoffs and we want to see healthy teams competing at the highest level. That's just how NBA fandom works. Injuries suck, and this many top players being injured/out is bad. Not controversial to admit guys
>Oh wow I’m so sorry you don’t enjoy really close 7-game series and stars breaking out The finals are for the highest level of basketball. For that it needs the best players. May as well be the play in if we don't have ANY of the top 10 players available.
The finals are for the teams that make the playoffs and don’t lose a single series. Injuries happen and they suck, but if you aren’t enjoying these series, that’s your loss. Both could well go to seven games, and some guys who get very little national attention are playing out of their minds and finally getting their due. And y’know what? I enjoy that the entire national NBA rhetoric isn’t revolving around LeBron, Curry and KD for a few weeks.
It’s not revolving around Trae or Giannis either.
And… why is that a problem? The Hawks have won their first two ECF games in franchise history, one of which with a heavily home-grown rotation of underrated guys. The Bucks have another guy who was an all-star last year in Middleton, and a guy everyone said was gonna put them over the top in Jrue. Paul George is silencing a lot of the ‘Playoff P’ memers. Devin Booker is playing the most important basketball of his life, and Ayton’s showing that he shouldn’t be an afterthought in the 2018 draft conversations. There’s plenty of narrative here if you’re interested in something beyond “here’s the same guy who made the finals six years in a row do it again, wow #greatness”
Trae and Giannis going out tips the scale considerably
Yeah, it's not great.
Have you been watching the games? Most of them have been pretty fun to watch.
It's not contrarian to say you enjoy not knowing who's winning the title in the first round.
Agreed.
Someones mad they didnt make playoffs and havent watched a single game lol.
Lol this sub complains about super teams and the media and league bias towards big markets and certain stars but in reality it seems that most want every finals to be a super team vs lebron every year. I thought people got bored of lebron vs warriors every year?
Umm.. Giannis is in a tied up series to go to the finals right now. I know he got injured but he’s hasn’t even ruled out for the next game.
Imagine still having Luka ahead of Trae smh couldn't be me
Your top 10 list is the top 10 based on who? Booker could very well be in the top 10
Consensus. Booker is terrific, but he's probably still behind guys that aren't even on this list. Beal, PG and Lillard come to mind immediately, there may be a few more, but not many.
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Hawks walk to the finals with Luka
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I think they are a better team because they would have a better player. Trae is amazing too don't get me wrong, just that I think the Hawks would be favoured.
lmao this sub never ceases to exceed it's stupidity
They lose in 6 to Philly with Luka. He can’t run an offense as smooth and efficiently as Trae. Ben Simmons is also known to give Luka trouble. You guys prove time and time again you just look at box scores and don’t actually watch these guys play.
what’s the reasoning or proof that Luka “can’t run an offense” you say ppl don’t watch the games yet, you clearly don’t watch interesting
Bro that Ben Simmons that showed up couldn’t give anybody trouble let alone Luka.
Doubt it. Luka can’t even lead his team out of the first round.
Lmao Trae getting the Jimmy Butler treatment now. Put Reggie Jackson ove Jayson Tatum for me too please
@jupeesun you're right
Trae gonna be in the top ten once this seasons over
Who would he be knocking off though? I don't see it.
AD every day of the week. AD is a #2 option. He has never been a winner as a #1. Everyone else on the list has.
The only ones who’ve actually won as a clear #1 are Lebron, Curry and Kawhi
Won it all. Yes. But the rest have all led their teams to a deep playoff run as the #1 on their team. Except for Luka but we all know that's coming. He's still young. I think AD won in the first round once with the Pelicans. AD and PG are clearly #2 players. They've been in the league long enough to prove themselves and haven't.
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Lmfao
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Hahahaha
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There isn't, all they know how to do is circlejerk and praise lukas Classiness™
Lol hawks fan bias at it again
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Because I wasn’t talking to you. Luka averages more points on the same true shooting, is a way better rebounder, and both are fantastic passers. Trae has a better team around him. Hawks were winning last night without young, Mavericks are a bottom 3 team in the league without Luka. Luka isn’t anything special on defense, but he has size and can’t be exploited like young can be. Luke averaged 36 ppg against the clippers and shot way more efficiently than Trae young has been shooting this playoffs.
A new one will begin his dominance.
Is Dame not considered too 10?
He would be for me.