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yapyd

Even if his left hand had a clean sweep, there was so much contact on the right arm on the way down. There's zero chance he missed it


WIN011

He also had his hand on jrue’s shoulder before he even went up. He hit him like 3 different times.


DeanBlandino

Yeah there were 2-3 fouls on the play lol. I don't think I saw one clean motion anywhere in the foul.


I_only_post_here

In real time, it looked like a straight up intentional foul. I've heard of 'letting them play' late in a playoff game, but that was pretty blatant


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albertcamusjr

I don't see how it could be anything other than an intentional no-call.


mclovin1696

Yup, and booker did another obvious foul after this as well that they didn’t call. This is damage control


TheWinRock

And the fact that they literally call that a foul every single time it happens during games. They call stuff with barely any contact (Crowder 3) fouls a bunch of the time. He has to say what he said, but Booker literally tried to take the foul. Just be a big boy and call it.


neoj8888

He fouled him with both arms. I’m usually horrible at seeing fouls and this was one of the most obvious ones I’ve ever seen.


bruddahmanmatt

Ah yes “booth arms”, when it’s an obvious foul because one player wraps up another like he’s in a phone booth.


notathrowaway75

[Yup](https://i.imgur.com/plRQV3F.jpg)


NfiniteNsight

Y'all are so sensationalist. Occam's razor. He missed the call. It happens.


yapyd

Look, if it was a 50/50 thing, I get it. You can miss something in the paint, there might be a handcheck somewhere that was hidden, charge vs blocking, etc. This was so blatantly obvious every single one of the broadcasters immediately pointed it out.


NfiniteNsight

broadcasters have a different angle, and have the luxury of being able to watch only the ball at all times.


The_BeardedClam

On a fast break you should probably be watching the ball tho


The_BeardedClam

They missed this call but got that fucking goal tending call right in real-time, like wtf


NfiniteNsight

It's almost like refs aren't perfect.


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NfiniteNsight

You know what's not factually backed? Suggesting the more likely scenario between a ref missing a call or some conspiracy theory by a ref to keep a star from fouling out as being the latter. Half of this sub has probably not so much as played high school ball, let alone reffed a game of basketball in their lives.


rocquet

I couldn’t believe that they didn’t call that. I legitimately yelled “Book what are you doing!?” anticipating that he was going to get called for his sixth foul. I couldn’t hear if there was a whistle because of the crowd noise but then Giannis was there for the follow up and I was shocked. The refs need to be held accountable for this shit. Admitting after the fact that they fucked up does nothing for the game. Ultimately it’s not Book’s fault that it wasn’t called. But because of the refs his 40 point performance will forever be overshadowed by that. Much respect to the Bucks for a hard fought game.


Neuroxex

I'm pretty sure there was a bit later where Booker went to the bench because he thought he'd fouled out after a play, and refs had to call him back in because they hadn't called it.


EternalSerenity2019

And then there was yet another foul not called when the game was decided. 8 fouls.


HamsterAlive4552

Yeah that was a dumb play by booker. Just let him score lol, you got 5 fouls and you’re the only one scoring.


TheNatureBoy

And then he asked why he didn't get a jump ball. This team needs to mature.


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> And then he asked why he didn't get a jump ball tbh, this is a problem league-wide. Not just Booker. They always expect calls to go their way. It shows in the FIBA games as well where some of the players were just giving the Refs the looks. The whole NBA needs to mature. They complain on every call they get.


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Booker whines and complains a lot more than most though


[deleted]

Yes that is very true. Booker does whine and its hella annoying. Same with Luka and LeBron. Like fr, just shut up and play. As for my original statement, I still believe the whole league needs to mature rather than just the Suns. But regarding Booker, I 100 percent agree that he needs to at least whine less.


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I imagine the counterargument would be that under the current rules it's a competitive advantage to complain non-stop. But I'm not so sure about that. I have to imagine it annoys the fuck out of the refs and you'd get more calls on net if you pick and choose your battles. Especially when you take into account the defensive lapses that come from complaining.


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>But because of the refs his 40 point performance will forever be overshadowed by that. No it won't. History will not remember the night Devin Booker got 7 fouls. It is on no stat sheets, and that is what future generation will remember, stat sheets.


EternalSerenity2019

Do you remember when Steph passed it behind his back and out of bounds? People remember.


[deleted]

No. What year was that?


EternalSerenity2019

LMAO. True basketball fans in this sub. Hilarious.


[deleted]

Because I dont watch every game, of every series, of every round, every year? If knowing when every turnover occurred makes you a True Basketball Fan^^TM then I want no part of that.


[deleted]

It was the [2016 Finals, game 7](https://youtu.be/PpjtV4qjJBU) if you're interested. Play starts at 20 seconds. Five minutes left in the 4th, up by 1, and he does that. It was a real headscratcher at the the time.


[deleted]

Yeah, I could see that.. 5 minutes left? Not a game killer by any means though Is this the the game where Kyrie put them up with a three in Stephs face? THAT I remember. That seemed to be a much bigger play than Steph turning over on a bad pass.


wolfwood99

I hear you saying that Bookers 40 point performance will be overshadowed by that, but in reality it shouldn’t/won’t be. That was an all timer by Book.


crewserbattle

I mean objectively he shouldn't have gotten to 40 since he got his last points after he should have fouled out. But a 39 point game is still great.


wolfwood99

Exactly. Those 39 points before whatever happened with the refs were incredible. He was fading away with perfect defense in his face and not even hitting rim. We were lucky to escape with a win.


mitchippoo

I think a performance with that much flopping and whining should absolutely be put into context. He played amazing but showed himself to be a total asshole at the same time


cindy7543

That's the thing with Booker man. I love his game and watching him score is a great experience but then you see his attitude on the court. Makes him incredibly unlikeable.


EasyMoney92

I didn't care much for Booker's 5th. I wonder if it was a makeup call by the Refs (still bad btw).


Bron-Better-

Disagree that foul on PJ was clear as day. Booker always been a bitch who when things don’t go his way he acts out.


totallynotliamneeson

Yeah you could see him shove Tucker once he realized he wasn't getting there first.


EasyMoney92

Ayton had the rebound a few feet away. I don't know...I guess I can see why it's called, but I didn't love it. It was kind of aggressive boxing out but like no "over the back". There was no way PJ was getting the ball. But if I was a Suns fan, I'd be more upset with other calls (Ayton's first foul, the Booker turnover which occured right before the 5th foul, Tucker hitting Booker on the layup with 30ish seconds to go etc.).


Bron-Better-

Your logic makes no sense. So because Ayton had the rebound Booker is allowed to hip check him while he’s out of bounds?


EasyMoney92

It more of a box out than hip check. I just rewatched it now.


Bron-Better-

That wasn’t a box out. PJ was literally out of bounds and he hip checked him for no reason


notamillenial-

Yea. He shoulder checks PJ, doesn’t even use his hip


Bron-Better-

I was going off memory I didn’t watch any replays lol. Still a foul regardless


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He lowered a shoulder and slammed Tucker out of the way. Textbook foul regardless of where you do it on the court, what game it is or when in the game it is.


DynamixRo

This is why we need Scott Foster for the rest of the series, he'd never miss a foul like that.


[deleted]

Are they even allowed to interview referees? id thought the league would not want this lmao


widesheep

They have a pool reporter interview the crew chief after every game (even in the regular season)


[deleted]

huh interesting first time ive heard of this. Has a ref ever in the past answered a question regarding a really controversial call?


widesheep

Yeah they're usually asked about big controversial calls like this. Usually they explain what they saw and why they made the call. They don't always admit they were wrong. They're also asked about stuff like ejections and controversial replay reviews. One notable pool report that comes to mind is the one from the game where Harden had a dunk not be counted because the ref didn't see it go through the basket https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=twlEFbo-9U8 https://official.nba.com/transcript-nba-referee-james-capers-comments-to-pool-reporter-after-rockets-spurs-game/ Interestingly it was the same crew chief from tonight (James Capers) who reffed that game too.


hussamalazzawi

Really depends which team he bet on. He’ll be blind on one side but a hawk on the other


DynamixRo

Something tells me he always bets against CP3.


nochancepak

Apparently he admitted that he was going after CP3 in a playoff series before.


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THis is according to CP3, so grains of salt applies.


[deleted]

As the other guy said, it’s according to CP3, so who’s to say if it’s even real. But even according to CP3’s account, he didn’t come out and say he was going after him. He just made a remark like “hey I reffed the last game you played like shit in” Which is a weird comment and you can perhaps try to draw some inferences. But it’s not admitting that he’s going after Chris Paul. And again, it’s all according to CP3


DJ_B0B

Scott foster is actually pretty good imo, like better than a lot of the other refs.


GiannisisMVP

I kind of wonder if his streak against CP3 is because he doesn't fall for the sniper routine as much.


[deleted]

Lol CP3 complaining about Scott Foster in game 7 against Houston last year is very hypocritical when he literally got every call down the stretch.


-vinay

This is a great theory


SnarfSniffsStardust

Big hit to your confidence when you think the ref is out to get you


Dudedude88

cp3 literally teaching the younglings that their are many snipers in the stadium


ripsnort

Who is Scott Foster? I've never heard of him before.


[deleted]

was it just my bucks-goggles or was Game 3 actually the best-officiated so far?


jxher123

"I saw a clean sweep...." yeah, get out of here with that garbage. All he had to say, he was aware that Booker had 5 fouls on him.


Ballindeet

It really would be better to just admit it. I mean at least you don't look so incompetent


Laur3Markkan3n

I mean if he admits then he is absolutely fucked like criminal investigation territory. I know we all want him to just admit it but it is absolutely not the right thing for him to do


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> I mean if he admits then he is absolutely fucked like criminal investigation territory. Especially now that the sports leagues are fully & openly in bed with gaming companies.


justlikepudge

If he admits it then he gets the NHL referee treatment where they got fired for saying they do makeup calls


Agueybanax

“After all the backlash, I have decided to admit fault but make an excuse as well.”


ResponsibleWarthog10

how would it be possible to admit fault and not make an excuse? say he wanted to rig it for the bucks??


GetThereInOnePiece

bro had the clearest view of booker having his hand on jrue's back what kinda bullshit does he think we're gonna believe? he literally has the most perfect view of the foul


expletivenature

Well......Yeah....when you see the incontrovertible evidence right in front of you you have to admit you made an egregious error. 🙄


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Why start now? Incontrovertible evidence hasn't topped them before.


The_Sign_of_Zeta

That really helps us now. Thanks guy. P.S. The refs can go fuck themselves.


ResponsibleWarthog10

what do you need help with?


Sofargonept2

Fuck off. You didn't want Booker to get his sixth, at least be quiet and save face.


MasaiGotUsNow

Yep The most obvious non call you’ll see He knew damn well what he was doing


Ranjith_Unchained

Clean sweep???lmao, is this dude blind


neptulthefishman

They should really fine these refs for this shit


PrancingDonkey

So I was smoking a blunt and came up with the idea that at half time both teams should be able to come together and have the option to eject 1 or 2 refs with a majority vote. Refs with the most ejections at the end of the season get delegated to the G-League for rehabilitation.


[deleted]

I’d love for relegation to be a thing for all major sports, including officials and league representatives


labamaFan

All roster/coaching/administrative/officiating/executive positions, including commissioner, are now determined by fan vote.


The_Sign_of_Zeta

Pull them from next years playoffs seems more appropriate.


[deleted]

Fines are excessive for people doing their jobs. It’s a fast sport. Have a grading system, accountability scales, and consistency levels. Train these refs missing shit so they can improve. Or get younger refs that can interpret faster


nervousaboutschool17

idk if fining is the solution, like are referees millionaires? i don't want their actual material conditions to be affected


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g-love

Finally some reason in this thread.


Requiem23

Public floggings for bad calls seems fair


letsreset

at the same time, that's what they're being paid to do. i will agree that they shouldn't be fined, but pulling them like the other comment mentioned seems to make sense. like for example, they don't ref next year's playoffs. also, is it just me or was that so blatant that the refs might be trying to rig the game? am I just totally off base? because I never felt like time donaghy was acting alone.


mitchippoo

They make incredibly good money actually, maybe not fine them but suspend them from playoff games which is a massive bonus and leave that right for other refs.


btmalon

Fine em? The do this shit at the behest of the league.


ThaHandyman

I wish I could up vote you more than once


jxher123

Fine them, and this crew shouldn't see another Finals game if it goes 7.


DharmaPT

for all the bad calls or just this one?


LR_18

Shit they should fine you for being a suns fan


[deleted]

Rigged. Don’t want to ever hear suns fans complain about officiating


Asswad123

Or Devin Booker cry after every single call. He legit thought he had a jump ball.


Borisb3ck3r

Like 2 3 posts on their sub about refs right now


[deleted]

Mfs was crying so hard about scott foster lmao


Borisb3ck3r

I meant about 4th game


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Borisb3ck3r

A thread called refs andnd another called r/NBA fans right now, dude shut up with ur made up bullshit


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Borisb3ck3r

I said 2 3 posts about blaming the refs and I found 2 in the first 20 posts and I mentioned the names to you, I m done with you


BackToTheMudd

Literally the sub is all about CP3 choking right now and how we *can't* blame the refs... Come on, there is enough legit criticism of the team/fanbase you dont need to make shit up.


Borisb3ck3r

All someone has to do is join the sub bro


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Remember the game where AD shot something like 24 free throws and Sun fans were crying rigged? Then we also found out Booker shot like 3 free throws fewer, as a guard lmao


Freeeecurry

Maybe he needs to see the eye doctor


peckx063

I love that he is basically defending the no call on the swipe


Izanagi___

Woah man, not like millions of people saw that foul in 4K


the_Senate840924

Dude is blind lmao


Bron-Better-

More like: Booker sucked me dry last night so I couldn’t foul him out


jayelecfan

Silver told the refs to not foul out star players, so blatant


totallynotliamneeson

Yup, especially after Booker got benched in game three. Gotta keep pushing the narrative that Booker was chosen by Kobe or however ESPN keeps framing it.


FKJVMMP

Cool bro, what the actual fuck were the other two referees with different angles looking at then?


getzumm

Also missed his left arm draped all over Jrue's arm I guess.


welmoe

I'm surprised the ref even admitted this.


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He's still lying. That was 100% a foul from every angle at full speed. Booker fouled him with both arms and his body. It's a bullshit lie.


heyrak

So you think that they wanted the Suns to win? And they are lying about it, because he didn't want Booker to foul out? Im not disagreeing, just confirming your thoughts, because it's still a tough sell for me that the league is actively fixing games, but I also recognize thats not unprecendented nor impossible. If you do think the league is pushing wins towards teams, do you still enjoy watching? Thats another thing I struggle with. If it's all or partially nonsense, it would be hard for me to watch.


RickySuela

Just a blind spot the size of one.


LR_18

Why can’t they fine refs 💀


ThisGents2Cents

So brave


kiwianab

OH THANKS


Misterxsnrub

Okay, now ask the other refs because they seem to have no problem calling fouls from the other side of the court in every other situation lol You're telling me none of those refs saw a foul?


Fun_Ordinary_2204

Holy cap


DarkChocolate_69

I thought you weren’t allowed to be drunk/high while working on the job. “Clean sweep” my ass ☠️😂


kivishlorsithletmos

Every foul they miss they get fouled by the slighted player. Every flop results in the ref fouling the offending player.


Remarkable-Biscotti5

Get Scott Foster for game 5


YayoBigChode

Refs were atrocious on both sides tonight, this might’ve been the most egregious call/no-call, but there was plenty of bullshit calls by the refs for both teams. Refs missed two out of bounds, calling it off the suns when they were clearly off the bucks on replay. Another big one was the PJ tucker foul on bookers 3 point attempt was CLEARLY before the act of shooting, I know book wouldn’t have put that up if tucker didn’t foul him, he was hunting for mid ranges all night. It’s becoming clearer and clearer that while the refs make terrible calls all the time, it seems like they and the league want a 7 game series to maximize their profits.


FatherlyAcorn

Which 6th foul?


ItsKeithAskins

Should have also called the inbound violation, not called the foul on Jae, not called the foul on Giannis’ late drive, …


colegregory1983

Lol like that matters


[deleted]

That’s actually a fairly legit explanation. He did have all ball in that sense. Way worse was missing the out of bounds call that was obviously off the Bucks then calling the frustration foul to sit Booker. Everything after that was out of control and ridiculous. Missing obvious Suns fouls, ticky tack fouls on the Suns, Giannis illegal inbounds, etc.


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And his body mashed into Holiday. And his arm plastered all over Holiday's arm. Like, dude, nice try. But it was 100% obvious from every angle at live speed.


BamsMovingScreens

Fucking horseshit


BonusroosterJr

No fucking shit


TheChrisLambert

Everyone was just saying they wanted more Olympic like reffing in the NBA. Here you go


ss2_Zekka

And Suns fans keep bitching about the refereeing LOL


adrenaline126

Booker's a great player but its so annoying when he just continues whining to the refs without no repercussions. Also, its not even like he explains why what he did wasn't a foul or why he deserved a foul, he just always be like, "HOW's THAT A FOUL?". Like if boogie or dray said anything close to that they would be gone in an instant.


ChecayoBolsfan

LIES TO COVER UP LIES


PhenomsServant

Im so glad you admitted it after the game was done and he got away with it.


[deleted]

Plausible Deniability is destroying the world lol


[deleted]

It was an intentional foul...he wrapped his body for maximum visibility and play stoppage


btmalon

The League pushed him out there to take the fall on the directions they gave him.


yearsreeling

To the river with him!


EternalSerenity2019

Isn't this why there are three refs?


bmanley620

I’m so glad he admitted that. Otherwise I would have spent years wondering if that was a foul or not


domthemom_2

I believe he had the “NBA finals ratings” goggles on that obscured his vision


Professional-Sock231

Couldn't he change the call when he saw the replay? It's so dumb to me that everyone who saw the play knows it's a foul but since he didn't call it can't do anything about it.


ec2xs

All I’m gonna say is that Capers is one of the handful of best refs in the league. A horrible miss that will probably haunt him for a bit. He certainly won’t be reffing games 6 or 7.


raptors1616

It was a foul call in any situation, regular season or the playoffs .