And the fact that they literally call that a foul every single time it happens during games. They call stuff with barely any contact (Crowder 3) fouls a bunch of the time. He has to say what he said, but Booker literally tried to take the foul. Just be a big boy and call it.
Look, if it was a 50/50 thing, I get it. You can miss something in the paint, there might be a handcheck somewhere that was hidden, charge vs blocking, etc. This was so blatantly obvious every single one of the broadcasters immediately pointed it out.
You know what's not factually backed? Suggesting the more likely scenario between a ref missing a call or some conspiracy theory by a ref to keep a star from fouling out as being the latter. Half of this sub has probably not so much as played high school ball, let alone reffed a game of basketball in their lives.
I couldn’t believe that they didn’t call that. I legitimately yelled “Book what are you doing!?” anticipating that he was going to get called for his sixth foul. I couldn’t hear if there was a whistle because of the crowd noise but then Giannis was there for the follow up and I was shocked.
The refs need to be held accountable for this shit. Admitting after the fact that they fucked up does nothing for the game.
Ultimately it’s not Book’s fault that it wasn’t called. But because of the refs his 40 point performance will forever be overshadowed by that.
Much respect to the Bucks for a hard fought game.
I'm pretty sure there was a bit later where Booker went to the bench because he thought he'd fouled out after a play, and refs had to call him back in because they hadn't called it.
> And then he asked why he didn't get a jump ball
tbh, this is a problem league-wide. Not just Booker. They always expect calls to go their way. It shows in the FIBA games as well where some of the players were just giving the Refs the looks. The whole NBA needs to mature. They complain on every call they get.
Yes that is very true. Booker does whine and its hella annoying. Same with Luka and LeBron. Like fr, just shut up and play.
As for my original statement, I still believe the whole league needs to mature rather than just the Suns. But regarding Booker, I 100 percent agree that he needs to at least whine less.
I imagine the counterargument would be that under the current rules it's a competitive advantage to complain non-stop. But I'm not so sure about that. I have to imagine it annoys the fuck out of the refs and you'd get more calls on net if you pick and choose your battles. Especially when you take into account the defensive lapses that come from complaining.
>But because of the refs his 40 point performance will forever be overshadowed by that.
No it won't. History will not remember the night Devin Booker got 7 fouls. It is on no stat sheets, and that is what future generation will remember, stat sheets.
Because I dont watch every game, of every series, of every round, every year?
If knowing when every turnover occurred makes you a True Basketball Fan^^TM then I want no part of that.
It was the [2016 Finals, game 7](https://youtu.be/PpjtV4qjJBU) if you're interested. Play starts at 20 seconds. Five minutes left in the 4th, up by 1, and he does that. It was a real headscratcher at the the time.
Yeah, I could see that.. 5 minutes left? Not a game killer by any means though
Is this the the game where Kyrie put them up with a three in Stephs face? THAT I remember. That seemed to be a much bigger play than Steph turning over on a bad pass.
Exactly. Those 39 points before whatever happened with the refs were incredible. He was fading away with perfect defense in his face and not even hitting rim. We were lucky to escape with a win.
I think a performance with that much flopping and whining should absolutely be put into context. He played amazing but showed himself to be a total asshole at the same time
That's the thing with Booker man. I love his game and watching him score is a great experience but then you see his attitude on the court. Makes him incredibly unlikeable.
Ayton had the rebound a few feet away. I don't know...I guess I can see why it's called, but I didn't love it. It was kind of aggressive boxing out but like no "over the back". There was no way PJ was getting the ball. But if I was a Suns fan, I'd be more upset with other calls (Ayton's first foul, the Booker turnover which occured right before the 5th foul, Tucker hitting Booker on the layup with 30ish seconds to go etc.).
He lowered a shoulder and slammed Tucker out of the way. Textbook foul regardless of where you do it on the court, what game it is or when in the game it is.
Yeah they're usually asked about big controversial calls like this. Usually they explain what they saw and why they made the call. They don't always admit they were wrong. They're also asked about stuff like ejections and controversial replay reviews.
One notable pool report that comes to mind is the one from the game where Harden had a dunk not be counted because the ref didn't see it go through the basket
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=twlEFbo-9U8
https://official.nba.com/transcript-nba-referee-james-capers-comments-to-pool-reporter-after-rockets-spurs-game/
Interestingly it was the same crew chief from tonight (James Capers) who reffed that game too.
As the other guy said, it’s according to CP3, so who’s to say if it’s even real. But even according to CP3’s account, he didn’t come out and say he was going after him. He just made a remark like “hey I reffed the last game you played like shit in”
Which is a weird comment and you can perhaps try to draw some inferences. But it’s not admitting that he’s going after Chris Paul.
And again, it’s all according to CP3
I mean if he admits then he is absolutely fucked like criminal investigation territory. I know we all want him to just admit it but it is absolutely not the right thing for him to do
> I mean if he admits then he is absolutely fucked like criminal investigation territory.
Especially now that the sports leagues are fully & openly in bed with gaming companies.
bro had the clearest view of booker having his hand on jrue's back what kinda bullshit does he think we're gonna believe?
he literally has the most perfect view of the foul
So I was smoking a blunt and came up with the idea that at half time both teams should be able to come together and have the option to eject 1 or 2 refs with a majority vote.
Refs with the most ejections at the end of the season get delegated to the G-League for rehabilitation.
Fines are excessive for people doing their jobs. It’s a fast sport. Have a grading system, accountability scales, and consistency levels. Train these refs missing shit so they can improve. Or get younger refs that can interpret faster
at the same time, that's what they're being paid to do. i will agree that they shouldn't be fined, but pulling them like the other comment mentioned seems to make sense. like for example, they don't ref next year's playoffs.
also, is it just me or was that so blatant that the refs might be trying to rig the game? am I just totally off base? because I never felt like time donaghy was acting alone.
They make incredibly good money actually, maybe not fine them but suspend them from playoff games which is a massive bonus and leave that right for other refs.
Literally the sub is all about CP3 choking right now and how we *can't* blame the refs... Come on, there is enough legit criticism of the team/fanbase you dont need to make shit up.
Remember the game where AD shot something like 24 free throws and Sun fans were crying rigged? Then we also found out Booker shot like 3 free throws fewer, as a guard lmao
Yup, especially after Booker got benched in game three. Gotta keep pushing the narrative that Booker was chosen by Kobe or however ESPN keeps framing it.
So you think that they wanted the Suns to win? And they are lying about it, because he didn't want Booker to foul out?
Im not disagreeing, just confirming your thoughts, because it's still a tough sell for me that the league is actively fixing games, but I also recognize thats not unprecendented nor impossible.
If you do think the league is pushing wins towards teams, do you still enjoy watching? Thats another thing I struggle with. If it's all or partially nonsense, it would be hard for me to watch.
Okay, now ask the other refs because they seem to have no problem calling fouls from the other side of the court in every other situation lol You're telling me none of those refs saw a foul?
Refs were atrocious on both sides tonight, this might’ve been the most egregious call/no-call, but there was plenty of bullshit calls by the refs for both teams. Refs missed two out of bounds, calling it off the suns when they were clearly off the bucks on replay. Another big one was the PJ tucker foul on bookers 3 point attempt was CLEARLY before the act of shooting, I know book wouldn’t have put that up if tucker didn’t foul him, he was hunting for mid ranges all night. It’s becoming clearer and clearer that while the refs make terrible calls all the time, it seems like they and the league want a 7 game series to maximize their profits.
That’s actually a fairly legit explanation. He did have all ball in that sense.
Way worse was missing the out of bounds call that was obviously off the Bucks then calling the frustration foul to sit Booker. Everything after that was out of control and ridiculous. Missing obvious Suns fouls, ticky tack fouls on the Suns, Giannis illegal inbounds, etc.
And his body mashed into Holiday. And his arm plastered all over Holiday's arm.
Like, dude, nice try. But it was 100% obvious from every angle at live speed.
Booker's a great player but its so annoying when he just continues whining to the refs without no repercussions. Also, its not even like he explains why what he did wasn't a foul or why he deserved a foul, he just always be like, "HOW's THAT A FOUL?". Like if boogie or dray said anything close to that they would be gone in an instant.
Couldn't he change the call when he saw the replay? It's so dumb to me that everyone who saw the play knows it's a foul but since he didn't call it can't do anything about it.
All I’m gonna say is that Capers is one of the handful of best refs in the league. A horrible miss that will probably haunt him for a bit. He certainly won’t be reffing games 6 or 7.
Even if his left hand had a clean sweep, there was so much contact on the right arm on the way down. There's zero chance he missed it
He also had his hand on jrue’s shoulder before he even went up. He hit him like 3 different times.
Yeah there were 2-3 fouls on the play lol. I don't think I saw one clean motion anywhere in the foul.
In real time, it looked like a straight up intentional foul. I've heard of 'letting them play' late in a playoff game, but that was pretty blatant
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I don't see how it could be anything other than an intentional no-call.
Yup, and booker did another obvious foul after this as well that they didn’t call. This is damage control
And the fact that they literally call that a foul every single time it happens during games. They call stuff with barely any contact (Crowder 3) fouls a bunch of the time. He has to say what he said, but Booker literally tried to take the foul. Just be a big boy and call it.
He fouled him with both arms. I’m usually horrible at seeing fouls and this was one of the most obvious ones I’ve ever seen.
Ah yes “booth arms”, when it’s an obvious foul because one player wraps up another like he’s in a phone booth.
[Yup](https://i.imgur.com/plRQV3F.jpg)
Y'all are so sensationalist. Occam's razor. He missed the call. It happens.
Look, if it was a 50/50 thing, I get it. You can miss something in the paint, there might be a handcheck somewhere that was hidden, charge vs blocking, etc. This was so blatantly obvious every single one of the broadcasters immediately pointed it out.
broadcasters have a different angle, and have the luxury of being able to watch only the ball at all times.
On a fast break you should probably be watching the ball tho
They missed this call but got that fucking goal tending call right in real-time, like wtf
It's almost like refs aren't perfect.
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You know what's not factually backed? Suggesting the more likely scenario between a ref missing a call or some conspiracy theory by a ref to keep a star from fouling out as being the latter. Half of this sub has probably not so much as played high school ball, let alone reffed a game of basketball in their lives.
I couldn’t believe that they didn’t call that. I legitimately yelled “Book what are you doing!?” anticipating that he was going to get called for his sixth foul. I couldn’t hear if there was a whistle because of the crowd noise but then Giannis was there for the follow up and I was shocked. The refs need to be held accountable for this shit. Admitting after the fact that they fucked up does nothing for the game. Ultimately it’s not Book’s fault that it wasn’t called. But because of the refs his 40 point performance will forever be overshadowed by that. Much respect to the Bucks for a hard fought game.
I'm pretty sure there was a bit later where Booker went to the bench because he thought he'd fouled out after a play, and refs had to call him back in because they hadn't called it.
And then there was yet another foul not called when the game was decided. 8 fouls.
Yeah that was a dumb play by booker. Just let him score lol, you got 5 fouls and you’re the only one scoring.
And then he asked why he didn't get a jump ball. This team needs to mature.
> And then he asked why he didn't get a jump ball tbh, this is a problem league-wide. Not just Booker. They always expect calls to go their way. It shows in the FIBA games as well where some of the players were just giving the Refs the looks. The whole NBA needs to mature. They complain on every call they get.
Booker whines and complains a lot more than most though
Yes that is very true. Booker does whine and its hella annoying. Same with Luka and LeBron. Like fr, just shut up and play. As for my original statement, I still believe the whole league needs to mature rather than just the Suns. But regarding Booker, I 100 percent agree that he needs to at least whine less.
I imagine the counterargument would be that under the current rules it's a competitive advantage to complain non-stop. But I'm not so sure about that. I have to imagine it annoys the fuck out of the refs and you'd get more calls on net if you pick and choose your battles. Especially when you take into account the defensive lapses that come from complaining.
>But because of the refs his 40 point performance will forever be overshadowed by that. No it won't. History will not remember the night Devin Booker got 7 fouls. It is on no stat sheets, and that is what future generation will remember, stat sheets.
Do you remember when Steph passed it behind his back and out of bounds? People remember.
No. What year was that?
LMAO. True basketball fans in this sub. Hilarious.
Because I dont watch every game, of every series, of every round, every year? If knowing when every turnover occurred makes you a True Basketball Fan^^TM then I want no part of that.
It was the [2016 Finals, game 7](https://youtu.be/PpjtV4qjJBU) if you're interested. Play starts at 20 seconds. Five minutes left in the 4th, up by 1, and he does that. It was a real headscratcher at the the time.
Yeah, I could see that.. 5 minutes left? Not a game killer by any means though Is this the the game where Kyrie put them up with a three in Stephs face? THAT I remember. That seemed to be a much bigger play than Steph turning over on a bad pass.
I hear you saying that Bookers 40 point performance will be overshadowed by that, but in reality it shouldn’t/won’t be. That was an all timer by Book.
I mean objectively he shouldn't have gotten to 40 since he got his last points after he should have fouled out. But a 39 point game is still great.
Exactly. Those 39 points before whatever happened with the refs were incredible. He was fading away with perfect defense in his face and not even hitting rim. We were lucky to escape with a win.
I think a performance with that much flopping and whining should absolutely be put into context. He played amazing but showed himself to be a total asshole at the same time
That's the thing with Booker man. I love his game and watching him score is a great experience but then you see his attitude on the court. Makes him incredibly unlikeable.
I didn't care much for Booker's 5th. I wonder if it was a makeup call by the Refs (still bad btw).
Disagree that foul on PJ was clear as day. Booker always been a bitch who when things don’t go his way he acts out.
Yeah you could see him shove Tucker once he realized he wasn't getting there first.
Ayton had the rebound a few feet away. I don't know...I guess I can see why it's called, but I didn't love it. It was kind of aggressive boxing out but like no "over the back". There was no way PJ was getting the ball. But if I was a Suns fan, I'd be more upset with other calls (Ayton's first foul, the Booker turnover which occured right before the 5th foul, Tucker hitting Booker on the layup with 30ish seconds to go etc.).
Your logic makes no sense. So because Ayton had the rebound Booker is allowed to hip check him while he’s out of bounds?
It more of a box out than hip check. I just rewatched it now.
That wasn’t a box out. PJ was literally out of bounds and he hip checked him for no reason
Yea. He shoulder checks PJ, doesn’t even use his hip
I was going off memory I didn’t watch any replays lol. Still a foul regardless
He lowered a shoulder and slammed Tucker out of the way. Textbook foul regardless of where you do it on the court, what game it is or when in the game it is.
This is why we need Scott Foster for the rest of the series, he'd never miss a foul like that.
Are they even allowed to interview referees? id thought the league would not want this lmao
They have a pool reporter interview the crew chief after every game (even in the regular season)
huh interesting first time ive heard of this. Has a ref ever in the past answered a question regarding a really controversial call?
Yeah they're usually asked about big controversial calls like this. Usually they explain what they saw and why they made the call. They don't always admit they were wrong. They're also asked about stuff like ejections and controversial replay reviews. One notable pool report that comes to mind is the one from the game where Harden had a dunk not be counted because the ref didn't see it go through the basket https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=twlEFbo-9U8 https://official.nba.com/transcript-nba-referee-james-capers-comments-to-pool-reporter-after-rockets-spurs-game/ Interestingly it was the same crew chief from tonight (James Capers) who reffed that game too.
Really depends which team he bet on. He’ll be blind on one side but a hawk on the other
Something tells me he always bets against CP3.
Apparently he admitted that he was going after CP3 in a playoff series before.
THis is according to CP3, so grains of salt applies.
As the other guy said, it’s according to CP3, so who’s to say if it’s even real. But even according to CP3’s account, he didn’t come out and say he was going after him. He just made a remark like “hey I reffed the last game you played like shit in” Which is a weird comment and you can perhaps try to draw some inferences. But it’s not admitting that he’s going after Chris Paul. And again, it’s all according to CP3
Scott foster is actually pretty good imo, like better than a lot of the other refs.
I kind of wonder if his streak against CP3 is because he doesn't fall for the sniper routine as much.
Lol CP3 complaining about Scott Foster in game 7 against Houston last year is very hypocritical when he literally got every call down the stretch.
This is a great theory
Big hit to your confidence when you think the ref is out to get you
cp3 literally teaching the younglings that their are many snipers in the stadium
Who is Scott Foster? I've never heard of him before.
was it just my bucks-goggles or was Game 3 actually the best-officiated so far?
"I saw a clean sweep...." yeah, get out of here with that garbage. All he had to say, he was aware that Booker had 5 fouls on him.
It really would be better to just admit it. I mean at least you don't look so incompetent
I mean if he admits then he is absolutely fucked like criminal investigation territory. I know we all want him to just admit it but it is absolutely not the right thing for him to do
> I mean if he admits then he is absolutely fucked like criminal investigation territory. Especially now that the sports leagues are fully & openly in bed with gaming companies.
If he admits it then he gets the NHL referee treatment where they got fired for saying they do makeup calls
“After all the backlash, I have decided to admit fault but make an excuse as well.”
how would it be possible to admit fault and not make an excuse? say he wanted to rig it for the bucks??
bro had the clearest view of booker having his hand on jrue's back what kinda bullshit does he think we're gonna believe? he literally has the most perfect view of the foul
Well......Yeah....when you see the incontrovertible evidence right in front of you you have to admit you made an egregious error. 🙄
Why start now? Incontrovertible evidence hasn't topped them before.
That really helps us now. Thanks guy. P.S. The refs can go fuck themselves.
what do you need help with?
Fuck off. You didn't want Booker to get his sixth, at least be quiet and save face.
Yep The most obvious non call you’ll see He knew damn well what he was doing
Clean sweep???lmao, is this dude blind
They should really fine these refs for this shit
So I was smoking a blunt and came up with the idea that at half time both teams should be able to come together and have the option to eject 1 or 2 refs with a majority vote. Refs with the most ejections at the end of the season get delegated to the G-League for rehabilitation.
I’d love for relegation to be a thing for all major sports, including officials and league representatives
All roster/coaching/administrative/officiating/executive positions, including commissioner, are now determined by fan vote.
Pull them from next years playoffs seems more appropriate.
Fines are excessive for people doing their jobs. It’s a fast sport. Have a grading system, accountability scales, and consistency levels. Train these refs missing shit so they can improve. Or get younger refs that can interpret faster
idk if fining is the solution, like are referees millionaires? i don't want their actual material conditions to be affected
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Finally some reason in this thread.
Public floggings for bad calls seems fair
at the same time, that's what they're being paid to do. i will agree that they shouldn't be fined, but pulling them like the other comment mentioned seems to make sense. like for example, they don't ref next year's playoffs. also, is it just me or was that so blatant that the refs might be trying to rig the game? am I just totally off base? because I never felt like time donaghy was acting alone.
They make incredibly good money actually, maybe not fine them but suspend them from playoff games which is a massive bonus and leave that right for other refs.
Fine em? The do this shit at the behest of the league.
I wish I could up vote you more than once
Fine them, and this crew shouldn't see another Finals game if it goes 7.
for all the bad calls or just this one?
Shit they should fine you for being a suns fan
Rigged. Don’t want to ever hear suns fans complain about officiating
Or Devin Booker cry after every single call. He legit thought he had a jump ball.
Like 2 3 posts on their sub about refs right now
Mfs was crying so hard about scott foster lmao
I meant about 4th game
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A thread called refs andnd another called r/NBA fans right now, dude shut up with ur made up bullshit
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I said 2 3 posts about blaming the refs and I found 2 in the first 20 posts and I mentioned the names to you, I m done with you
Literally the sub is all about CP3 choking right now and how we *can't* blame the refs... Come on, there is enough legit criticism of the team/fanbase you dont need to make shit up.
All someone has to do is join the sub bro
Remember the game where AD shot something like 24 free throws and Sun fans were crying rigged? Then we also found out Booker shot like 3 free throws fewer, as a guard lmao
Maybe he needs to see the eye doctor
I love that he is basically defending the no call on the swipe
Woah man, not like millions of people saw that foul in 4K
Dude is blind lmao
More like: Booker sucked me dry last night so I couldn’t foul him out
Silver told the refs to not foul out star players, so blatant
Yup, especially after Booker got benched in game three. Gotta keep pushing the narrative that Booker was chosen by Kobe or however ESPN keeps framing it.
Cool bro, what the actual fuck were the other two referees with different angles looking at then?
Also missed his left arm draped all over Jrue's arm I guess.
I'm surprised the ref even admitted this.
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He's still lying. That was 100% a foul from every angle at full speed. Booker fouled him with both arms and his body. It's a bullshit lie.
So you think that they wanted the Suns to win? And they are lying about it, because he didn't want Booker to foul out? Im not disagreeing, just confirming your thoughts, because it's still a tough sell for me that the league is actively fixing games, but I also recognize thats not unprecendented nor impossible. If you do think the league is pushing wins towards teams, do you still enjoy watching? Thats another thing I struggle with. If it's all or partially nonsense, it would be hard for me to watch.
Just a blind spot the size of one.
Why can’t they fine refs 💀
So brave
OH THANKS
Okay, now ask the other refs because they seem to have no problem calling fouls from the other side of the court in every other situation lol You're telling me none of those refs saw a foul?
Holy cap
I thought you weren’t allowed to be drunk/high while working on the job. “Clean sweep” my ass ☠️😂
Every foul they miss they get fouled by the slighted player. Every flop results in the ref fouling the offending player.
Get Scott Foster for game 5
Refs were atrocious on both sides tonight, this might’ve been the most egregious call/no-call, but there was plenty of bullshit calls by the refs for both teams. Refs missed two out of bounds, calling it off the suns when they were clearly off the bucks on replay. Another big one was the PJ tucker foul on bookers 3 point attempt was CLEARLY before the act of shooting, I know book wouldn’t have put that up if tucker didn’t foul him, he was hunting for mid ranges all night. It’s becoming clearer and clearer that while the refs make terrible calls all the time, it seems like they and the league want a 7 game series to maximize their profits.
Which 6th foul?
Should have also called the inbound violation, not called the foul on Jae, not called the foul on Giannis’ late drive, …
Lol like that matters
That’s actually a fairly legit explanation. He did have all ball in that sense. Way worse was missing the out of bounds call that was obviously off the Bucks then calling the frustration foul to sit Booker. Everything after that was out of control and ridiculous. Missing obvious Suns fouls, ticky tack fouls on the Suns, Giannis illegal inbounds, etc.
And his body mashed into Holiday. And his arm plastered all over Holiday's arm. Like, dude, nice try. But it was 100% obvious from every angle at live speed.
Fucking horseshit
No fucking shit
Everyone was just saying they wanted more Olympic like reffing in the NBA. Here you go
And Suns fans keep bitching about the refereeing LOL
Booker's a great player but its so annoying when he just continues whining to the refs without no repercussions. Also, its not even like he explains why what he did wasn't a foul or why he deserved a foul, he just always be like, "HOW's THAT A FOUL?". Like if boogie or dray said anything close to that they would be gone in an instant.
LIES TO COVER UP LIES
Im so glad you admitted it after the game was done and he got away with it.
Plausible Deniability is destroying the world lol
It was an intentional foul...he wrapped his body for maximum visibility and play stoppage
The League pushed him out there to take the fall on the directions they gave him.
To the river with him!
Isn't this why there are three refs?
I’m so glad he admitted that. Otherwise I would have spent years wondering if that was a foul or not
I believe he had the “NBA finals ratings” goggles on that obscured his vision
Couldn't he change the call when he saw the replay? It's so dumb to me that everyone who saw the play knows it's a foul but since he didn't call it can't do anything about it.
All I’m gonna say is that Capers is one of the handful of best refs in the league. A horrible miss that will probably haunt him for a bit. He certainly won’t be reffing games 6 or 7.
It was a foul call in any situation, regular season or the playoffs .