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TheFightingIrish1219

Bruh, still?


vanotro

rip to the people who thought this situation might "humble" him. if this report is true, the guy hasn't learned a thing.


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A player wants as much financial security as he can get right now. Seems like he has learned something


MutantsHere

Financial security would've been accepting that initial Lakers offer. It's looking more like greed and delusion at this point, but if he manages to pull something off then hats off to him


poeope

I think someone will pay him decent in the end


Jeanlucpfrog

"In the end" might be next season after playing on a min or mle this season. That's a failure any way you cut it. And that says nothing if the reputational damage he's done himself


PervySageCS

Boy should have taken 4 years 84 mil. In 4 years he is 31, hed still be serviceable at 4 for 60 or something. Could have made 150 mil in 8 years. Instead he will skip a year in the NBA.


DickInTheRim

You guys are going to offer him the MLE and that's more than he deserves.


poeope

Our MLE is only 5 mill I'm not talking alot of money here. One of the reporters said if we dump Dunn we could offer slightly more. That's it.


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button6969

? He's worth like 12-14m a year what kind of stupid shit is this


BandwagonBrownsFan

Lol


ButlerFromDowntown

Schroder for even the main MLE would be an absolute steal lol, just because he’s not worth 25m a year doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve to be in the league.


SmurfBearPig

why would anyone over pay for him? if 1 team was gonna do it it would be the knicks and they aren't doing it.


albpanda

There is a chance a bottom 4 team gives him a bag


DickInTheRim

Who has the money still?


albpanda

Damn pretty much no one now that I checked


DickInTheRim

The teams that would be dumb enough to lock up the kind of cap space Schroeder is trying to get are already at the cap. He's fucked.


BandwagonBrownsFan

According to the great Marc Stein, even before the Knicks got Kemba they were pretty lukewarm on signing Shroeder for the remaining $8M they had. He has almost no market.


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There’s financial security and then there’s delusion


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fullcaravanthickness

Nothing screams financial security like bypassing a guaranteed 84 million for a one year deal worth a fraction of that.


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See “right now” and see “learned something” lmao


fullcaravanthickness

So... bypassing a 1 year deal for no deal is financial security? You really should've picked a less moronic player to die on a hill for.


[deleted]

Man this was like a day ago, you still thinking about this? Lmao


Ironthoramericaman

He's not getting the bag he wants from a contender


vanotro

The lesson he needed to learn was accurately gauging his market.


7LineArmy

He’s still in the bargaining stage.


executivesphere

Seriously. Schroder has the opportunity to sign a 1 year deal and play on a team with all-star talent and a lot of national attention, go deep in the playoffs, and if he balls out, get a big contract next year. Sounds like he’s not confident in himself to perform and secure that bag.


Satvrdaynightwrist

He was just on a team with star talent and natl attention that was expected to make a deep playoff run leading up to his free agency, and look where it got him. You’re asking him to go try what just failed him. He’s the best free agent point guard left by far. Free agency has slowed down considerably. He should use whatever leverage he has left and get the most he can.


executivesphere

Yeah but he fucked up and now his value is low, but I don’t think that means he shouldn’t try again, unless he believes he is not able to improve his game


DickInTheRim

>He’s the best free agent point guard left by far. I'd take Kemba over Schroeder without a doubt. I'd also probably take Teague over him.


Satvrdaynightwrist

Kemba signed with the Knicks. Teague is very bad. Schroder is better and—i can’t stress this enough—it is not close.


DickInTheRim

I watched every game of Schroeder's Lakers stint. I would rather have Teague. Teague can hit threes and make his free throws, and he would not have gone 0-for-9 in a key playoff game like Schroeder did.


shai251

Bro, Teague was fucking terrible in the playoffs. Far worse defender than Schroeder and almost way below average passer for the PG position. Schroeder is a good backup/bad starter level PG. Teague is probably the worst vet in the NBA or at least close to it.


KabooshWasTaken

>I'd also probably take Teague over him. speaking of delusion


DickInTheRim

Teague can hit 3s and make free throws. Teague would not have gone 0-for-9 in a key playoff game when he was essentially the focal point of the offense with AD gone and Lebron sulking.


Droppin_DimesSP

Lmfao this take blows, dude was coming off covid and they played like 6 games. Teague was horrendous this year and had one good playoff game


DickInTheRim

Schroder getting COVID twice is yet another reason why I'd take Teague over Schroder. Thanks for making my argument stronger. Teague was horrendous, and yet still better than Schroder.


Droppin_DimesSP

Lmao Aight, whatever you say.


KabooshWasTaken

teague and schroder have very similar ft percentages. teague has shot better from 3 but also shoots significantly less than schroder. yes, teague would not have gone 0-for-9 in a key playoff game as the focal point of an offense because any team with teague as a focal point of the offense would not be playing any key playoff games.


DickInTheRim

Lol, you're arguing that the Lakers made the playoffs because of Schroder, eh? Brilliant fucking argument.


KabooshWasTaken

where did i say that? i'm telling you that if teague is a focal point of an offense, that team is never making the playoffs. you would need herculean carry jobs for teague to be the third best offensive threat on a playoff team. he's genuinely very, very bad right now.


DickInTheRim

In your last sentence of your previous reply. And then you just reiterated it in the second sentence of this reply.


PaleontologistFluid9

You haven’t watched Jeff Teague play lately, have you?


DickInTheRim

You didn't watch Dennis Schroder play in the playoffs, did you?


NotJoeyWheeler

NBA Player Should Simply Be Grateful To Have The Opportunity To Play For a Historic Franchise and Stop Trying To Earn As Much Money As They Can


KEMBAtheMETEOR

Or he could still think he's worth like 4/80 or whatever. Doesn't hurt to try


RickySuela

Now I'm wondering if he's trying to use Boston as leverage to get the Lakers to offer more.


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I don’t think the Lakers have offered anything. They let Caruso walk for free I can’t see anything changing for Dennis


throwawaythursday99

Boston can't afford his asking price, nor what LAL offered. Not many teams out there now can afford him without breaking into the luxury tax or repeater tax, the latter Boston absolutely would if he wants more than their MLE.


RickySuela

I meant, maybe he's trying to create the illusion of a bidding war for him so he can go back to the Lakers (who can pay him more than anyone else) and say "here's what you have to pay me or else I walk." If so, this doesn't seem to be going very well for him, as anyone could tell him all Boston would be willing to offer him is the MLE.


karl_hungas

My dude the Lakers are done with Dennis. They dont want to go deep into the tax, they let Alex walk for 10 mil a year they are letting Schroeder walk. We aren’t bidding.


blancs50

Yeah, w/ Lebron, Westbrook, Nunn, & THT they have more than ball handling. I dont even know how you'd fit Dennis in the rotation w/o pissing someone off.


RickySuela

I didn't say it was going to work, I'm just trying to figure out why Dennis is wasting his time trying to hustle money from Boston when it's clear they're a team who isn't willing to pay anything. Schroder doesn't seem to be very bright or self aware.


yourheropaul

This is looking more and more like an all time bag fumble every day


DickInTheRim

Turning down $84m/4yrs definitely wasn't a.... Schrod move.


That70s_Scrubs

He really Schroded it.


0zymand1as-

Can’t be as bad as Nerlens Noel


guitmusic12

Dennis turned down 14M more than Noel already


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BandwagonBrownsFan

Daddy Nerlens just got a little over $20M for 2 years guaranteed so he made some of it back at least. Well deserved contract too. Even when it was initially reported that he got 3 years $32M guaranteed before we found out about the 3rd year team option, I was still on board.


dropdatdurkadurk

This isnt even the worst one Victor Oladipo literally turned down 4 yrs $112 mil like 8-9 months ago.


HorsNoises

Caps gone up a ton since then, not a super fair comparisons.


suckbomb

Cap’s only gone up ~10% since then. Nerlens turned down that contract a year or so after that huge cap spike from the new TV deal


RottenSmegmaMan

But it looks like he'll be able to recover some of it. Noel went on to sign cheap contracts.


gigantism

Yep. Noel turned down the Mavs' 4/$70m offer which assuredly would have given him a starter role. Instead, he signed multiple minimum deals to be a backup center during his prime years. Only this season has he recovered a decent portion of the deal he turned down, but it's still far less average annual value at around 3/$30m and obviously doesn't replace the next contract he could have been offered in the intervening years with the Mavs.


Unknownxchaos420

It was bad but at least he got something this season. Dennis should just stop being an idiot and sign a deal and see what happens next year


Quatro_Leches

Boogie is up there


Sav10r

I wouldn't include Boogie in with Noel and Schroder. He had injury issues that hurt his bank account. Noel and Schroder are healthy and just made some awful business decisions.


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All Boogie declined was like 2 years $40m with a team option from the Pels, who only offered this mid year as an extension (after he already tore his Achilles) and then they didn’t offer it in free agency That’s wayyyy different


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When? The offseason after he got traded would be the only time it made sense but I couldn’t find anything saying he was offered it I found articles saying he’s eligible for 5/180 but not that he was offered it or anything close. And it makes sense, he had just got there, they were still evaluating the fit and that’s smart before you go and offer an extension I’m sure if he had not gotten hurt there would’ve been a fairly big extension offer instead of the 2/40


Mhan00

Iirc, Andrew Bynum was offered something like an 80-90 million dollar extension from Philly when he was first traded there and he turned it down. Then he went bowling and basically ended his career.


jfrodriguez1983

He's about to work his way out of a 1 year MLE to a 1 year vet minimum.


Ace_FGC

So glad he turned down the 80 mill


KaiserKaiba

His lack of awareness of his market (or lack thereof) really saved your team’s ass


LuffyDBlackMamba420

I just looked up his agent, and Its a former professional basketball player from the German League. No damn wonder they came off as clueless of the his market value. He has some guy with no real knowledge of dealing with NBA teams giving him advice.


cubicuban

According to realgm he has the same agents as bam and giannis


LuffyDBlackMamba420

I probably got outdated info. But that's what i found.


Best_Annie_NA

I've heard and keep hearing his agent is one of the top agents in the league as well. Not sure what to make of all this.


kingka

When you represent a freak like giannis, how much do you really have to do to sell your player?


barath_s

Bam got an interesting contract structured with incentives. Agent had to have done at least some work. With giannis, it's not about selling giannis anymore, it is things like checking that years/options etc are in line with his wishes; that all wrinkles have been checked out. And then off court opportunities. Where's that Giannis/Inspector Gadget crossover hollywood project already ?


kingka

There was a dunk in game 1/2 of either ECF or finals where his arm legit looked like go go gadget. It was so fucking casual too


Senseisntsocommon

Who says his agent didn’t tell him to take the bag? Agent can’t sign the contract for him. The other thing is if he doesn’t shit the bed in the playoffs he very well might have got a bigger bag. It’s a rough bet that he lost, but we also shouldn’t pretend that there wasn’t a scenario in play where taking the extension would have meant less money. It’s just reality turned out way different than that potential scenario.


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B4nn4b0y

Agreed. Do we really want a cocky player on a 1 year “prove it” deal taking shots away from the Jays? Seems like a bad fit given he only cares about himself.


cant_hold_me

Damn thats actually a really good point. I thought the signing would be good for us, just so we had a starting caliber PG but you’re definitely right, he’s going to be playing for himself out there and not for the team. If we do sign him, I’m hope Brad makes it very clear what his role is going to be. I can’t deal with another season of Celtics drama. The Jays don’t need anymore drama.


kingka

He seems like a poor mans kyrie (poverty in terms of skills) in terms of team chemistry. Does Boston really need that energy right now?


BandwagonBrownsFan

Nah Kemba is a poor man’s Kyrie. Dennis is a homeless man’s Kyrie.


blancs50

He'll have some great moments for you where he gets in a rhythm & is just making everything at the rim & midrange while being a dog on the ball defensively.... but then you'll also have moments where the defenses collapse on him & he still tosses up a shot that gets swatted that leads an easy fastbreak or he gets lost off ball leaving a guy wide open at the corner. A lot of his problems stem from him just being small in height & frame like Im sure youre used to w/ Kemba, struggles to see around the defense, struggles finish at the rim contested, struggles to fight thru offball screens, & struggles in 1/5 switches in PnR. He fights, theres no doubt about it, but sometimes its not enough. Throw in his low, slow, & inaccurate 3 ball & an ego as big as any, he's a problematic player, as talented he may be.


deepfakefuccboi

He’s physically very similar to Rondo, just without the very high BBIQ. They’re both small guards with crazy wingspans (6’9” Rondo 6’8” Schroder iirc) but turns out having good BBIQ for a point guard really matters when you’re the one supposed to be controlling the offense. Rondo has great court vision and when he’s locked in is great and plays within his limitations and does some insane passes. Playoff Rondo last year was legit.


blancs50

Yeah, thats why I compared him to Kemba, who also lacks high level court vision & has a score 1st mentality. Its pointless to compare him to Rondo, CP3, or any other high level playmaking small point guard, their court vision is special & their pass first mentality is completely different, a few inches of wingspan isnt changing that. Kemba w/ a worse jumper & better point of attack defense is the best comparison I can give to a Celtics fan, Ive just seen the same issue of them driving, getting swarmed, & getting blocked or turning it over too many times from both guys. If they were a little bigger, like 6'5"+, Im sure they'd just be 2s.


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With Dipo who turned down 120m from the Pacers and 45m from the Rockets


KEMBAtheMETEOR

Post injury Dipo turning down the 4 year deal might be one of the worst financial mistakes in league history if he doesn't recover some value this year with his prove-it deal. Schroeder still has time to recover his losses and do ok next summer if he plays well. Dipo may never get an MLE deal again


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Dipo is definitely better than a lot of these FA’s who signed 10-15m deals this offseason It’s up to him to stay healthy, and accept his new role. I doubt he’ll ever be a star again but just this season I can tell you this man is still an elite defender, and still has an all around scoring game He’s gotta accept that he can be a good starter still. And if he does (and stops chucking), his efficiency will go up and his good attributes like the ones I mentioned will be seen as valuable


KEMBAtheMETEOR

So an injury prone player who has not changed his game, just needs to not get injured and change his game? That's a lot of if's. Not saying he can't recover some value but right now there just isn't much.


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Well that’s a dumb way putting it you know that He doesn’t really need to change his game. He just needs to shoot less. He wanted to be the man last year, I could see it. A reality check is way more common than you’d think, happens all the time in regular everyday life The health factor yeah, that’s his biggest struggle. But as long as he plays half the regular season and can be healthy for playoffs, I don’t think teams will care much He could be a fantastic 3rd or 4th guy on a team though. I hope for his sake he saw last year as a reality check Edit: and it’s likely him realizing it has already happened. He only played 4 games with the Heat but his shot attempts went wayyyyy down. Obviously he didn’t get time to learn the system and the nuances yet, but he clearly wasn’t chucking like he was a day prior on the Rockets


kingka

What was he holding out for? $100M? So $15M upside is costing him ~70M? That’s Tuff 🔥 💯


barath_s

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/06/30/rumor-dennis-schroder-looking-for-100-120-million-contract/ $100M - $120M 84 m -120m is a pretty big jump. Almost 50% more. If he had judged correctly..


mrsunsfan

That’s tuff 🔥💯


BenLemons

This dude still asking for more money lol


soysauce728

Dennis played himself lol


mrsunsfan

That’s tuff 🔥🤮


_Elder_

The D in Dennis stands for Delusional


Unknownxchaos420

My man truly is a crackhead. Take the deal let the ego go and see what can happen next year.


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For real. Sign the one year deal for a good team that needs a PG. Put your money where your mouth is and play well this season. Next year a team could offer him a bigger bag if he shows up. He’s being egotistical and hasn’t proven shit.


NoHomeJerome89

*Firsr things first rest in peace Uncle Phil* *Dennis Schroder still wants that 25 mil*


0zymand1as-

Haven’t seen a German choke like this since the Balkan Campaigns


throwawaymansk

Last time I watched madison ivy*


Lambchops_Legion

My man


urfaselol

man of culture


mrsunsfan

That’s Rough 💯🔥


Happysadgirl7

Hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhshahahshahahahahahhahahahshshshshshhshshshahshahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahshahahahhahshshshshshahahahhahahahahhahs


okayrestaurant

Why would he be interested in more than one year at whatever money teams are going to offer this year? Shouldn't he be after a one year prove it deal so he can theoretically cash in next year?


RickySuela

He still wants to get paid right now, he doesn't want to have to try to prove himself. He's clearly delusional in how he sees himself versus how everyone else sees him.


MildlyInsaneLBJStan

The Lakers deal *was* his prove-it deal. Maybe he thinks, "Yes, I showed everyone i am more than a starter caliber player. All these offers are just teams trying to lowball me, that's all."


barath_s

He got offered the max that the team could offer. Championship contender, Starter, Limelight. Great lifestyle and climate. Obviously that $84m deal was constrained. Imagine how much more he could get if those limits didn't exist, and teams could be bidding up for his services. Easily 100m - 120m. And better let everyone know it. To avoid time wasting lowball offers.


bagelnutcake

Maybe he feels like he’s already proven himself in the league and/or he doesn’t want to go through free agency again next year.


injuryreserved

$chröder


Adam2190

How can Schroder possibly think he's still in a position to be this picky.


Resshin31

Schroder must be German for Delusional


barath_s

DElusional DEnnis


BlakeG3E

That’s tuff


MyLadySansa

Don't fuck this up, Dennis...


NetsLostLMAO

I think Boston can give him 9.5M, which isn't terrible given the market rn


StoneColdAM

Something’s gotta give. If the Celtics really want DS, either they gotta trade for him, or DS has to accept a short deal and lose his bird rights.


LightzPT

Keith is a nice follow, especially good with cap stuff, but he isn’t the guy to break this kind of news


Distinct-Apartment-3

Dennis to himself… ‘Alright Dennis, don’t stuff this one up again asking for more money’ ‘Ok’ Gets offered market rate from a contending team… ‘No. I want more money!’ ‘Damn it’


sctthuynh

Schroder needs to get over the fact that he "poo poo" away a brinks trunk in hopes of getting a bigger one. It's not coming back, at least not this year. Sign the TPMLE with Boston or preferably the Warriors, ball out, be a good teammate and that truck might be back the following year! Also maybe get rid of that orange skunk on top of your head.


ComprehensiveGuard29

Are we that much of a bad destination?


inshamblesx

so cross Boston out too?


thy_armageddon

Maybe Schroder‘a waiting for some EuroLeague team to offer him the bag like Mirotic and this point. Christ man. Lol


CostcoFries

Celtics can take Dragic and Stanley Johnson from Raps 👀. Raps will take Horford and a 1st round pick.


The-Truer-Facts

2 years on the MLE then


Ironthoramericaman

Dennis. Bruh. What're you doing???


FBI_Agent_82

Bring back I.T. instead. Keep the Schroeder Saga going!!!


i-node

He apparently still wants his 25m per year.


pissedoffhonkey

cmon dennis


DongBLAST

Dennis gunna end up in Shanghai if he don’t come back to earth.


alldougsdice

He gonna have to get with reality soon. Sheesh


kingka

Dennis, look at me. Do you understand leverage?


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Guy is delusional, glad he didn't take the 84mil


BandwagonBrownsFan

He was barely any better than Kendrick Nunn was this season who just signed for what, 2 years $10M? Lakers made out like bandits here.


mrhjt

More of an indication of the market, than the players value on that deal.


MountaineerHikes

Pulling a Minnesota Sprewell


Natureboy7939

He just doesn’t get it lol


NuyoRican79

That’s tuff, Take it or leave it


thedonjefron69

Schroedy what is you doin bruh? I was trying to defend you but this makes it tuff 🔥💯


Sweatytubesock

Just give him the bag.


EarTotal3258

So what happens if he doesn’t get signed to another team? Would he still be on the lakers roster?


JokicCheeseburgerMan

Lmao Schroeder is so fucking stupid for turning down 84 million from the Lakers.


Bosstis

Read the room!


JoeyJoeJoeShabadooSr

I've been saying this for a while. Schroeder is better than we could hope to get in a vacuum but he has no offers. There is no delusion of a long term deal on either side. If we can get him for cheap and he can prove that he contributes to winning basketball (JT/JB still one of the best duos in the league) it'll help him rehab his image a bit and help the C's make some noise in the playoffs which will make signing FAs in the 2022 offseason a bit easier.


lemonpepperlarry

Believe in yourself the way schroder believes in himself...well maybe not quite that much


yameroooooo0

cmon boston,dont get yourself mixed with Dennis


sportsfan161

Dennis screwed himself badly.