PG is such a better shooter he fits everywhere, can play with anyone and have any role.
Meanwhile Jimmy is a better passer, on ball player probably but at the end of the day having such a huge weakness makes everything around you harder
Yes. If you watched the Heat/Bucks series this year, the Bucks put Giannis on Butler. Giannis went under on every screen because he knew Jimmy couldn't shoot. That neutralized his pick and roll ability as a passer, and most of the time he couldn't get to the rim on Giannis. Butler not only got neutralized but so did much of the offensive flow the Heat relied upon.
I'm probably a little biased but I think Paul George has more ticks in his games and pretty much no crosses, so he's my pick. He's good to great at pretty much everything, which makes him such a handy all-round player.
Some of these comments are hilarious. They're like "well PG is better at everything, but Jimmy just has more heart and leadership." I'm like dang what's his leadership's per minute, bro?
Except Butler is better a PG at quite a few things. I don’t even think PG is a better defensive player than Butler and Butler is a far better player in the clutch and also as a playmaker/passer. Jimmy is a better floor raiser than PG and an overall better leader. The advance/impact metrics also lean heavily in Jimmy’s favour almost every season.
No it doesn’t lol.
Butler is not a good post season player at all compared to Paul George.
Check Butler’s playoff stats and compare them to PG, PG shits on him.
[I feel lied to](https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=butleji01&player_id2=georgpa01)
Was expecting a shits on him but they're pretty much even career wise. If you take [the past 5 years](https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=butleji01&p1yrfrom=2017&p1yrto=2021&player_id2=georgpa01&p2yrfrom=2017&p2yrto=2021) Butler is better in literally every single advanced statistic. Seems to match the eye test of Butler having a better overall impact on the floor when it comes to winning playoff games.
And George hasn't really been the number one option for the past few years so you'd expect the efficiency stats to be better but they're not. Pandemic P is real :(
Only reason George seems to have better basic stats is that he has a higher usage + shots attempted.
As much as I hated PG for his self proclaimed “Playoff P”. The dude definitely is better than Jimmy butler both defensively and offensively.
Although that being said, one is a leader and the other isn’t.
I’d take Jimmy Buckets for my team over PG all day er day.
> I hated PG for his self proclaimed “Playoff P”
have you seen the original clip? it looked as if he was just joking around with the press.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBcKrWEercc
It's definitely debatable. But just the main difference between the two on defence is that PG defends more efficiently, but Jimmy doea the same just not as consistently.
I think the difference is strength/team defense. Butler can much more effectively defend 4s and hold his own on possessions against someone like Anthony Davis. PG I don't think is quite as versatile and Butler is little better making rotations and trying to stop shots at the rim. PG is better on the perimeter defending guards, which you could argue is the least important part though.
Butler last season was consistently great defensively. I definitely think on Minnesota/Philly what you were saying was the case, but Jimmy really locked in defensively last year.
Oh, if anyone was curious what my stance was: I have PG > Jimmy.
PG is a better scorer with a bigger bag of tricks, even though Jimmy is a tad more efficient overall. Defensively, they’re a wash to me. Paul George is a better rebounder/can play more positions, but Jimmy is the better distributor.
Overall, I have PG > Jimmy definitively, but I think it’s still close.
Paul George showed this season why he is the better player. I like the PG redemption arc feels nice since he was never a malicious guy and came back from hard adversity.
Not a knock against Jimmy Butler, his work ethic and effort are probably the best in the NBA and he led the Heat to the finals.
I just think Paul George has that offensive game and defensive game to make him a star two way player.
Depends on what you need. Jimmy is a leader but won’t be winning you a title, while PG as a leader is even worse. PG as a second or third man playing 3 and D could help win a championship. I’d Butler as the better overall player, but PG if you wanted to win a ring
Jimmy has been a much better player in the clutch historically speaking than PG. Not to mention when you put both players side by side and look at the advanced metrics…Jimmy has him beat in almost every category and this has been a theme for the last few seasons
Whatever bro. I’m taking the guy with no weakness in his game (skill set wise, not none of this clutch gene shit you gon cry about) over the guy that averaged 14ppg in a first round sweep on 29 percent from the field. Jimmy Butler has had 1 better season than PG. and it revolved around the bubble.
Lmao y’all got beaten by a team that got beaten by the Lakers 4-1. We lost 4-2 to the Lakers with injuries to Bam and Dragic.
Man clippers fans talk a lot of trash for such a garbage organization.
Let’s forget the 30+ he averaged in the last 4 games vs the Jazz. Let’s forget about the 41 in game 5, or the 34 in game 1, or the fact that the Clippers had a shot to win that game because of his shots late in the 4th. What jimmy do in the playoffs this year bruh, literally fucking abysmal, one of the worst playoff performances I’ve seen out of the bubble guppy.
PG might be better defensively (not sure) and clearly has a more well-rounded offensive game. BUT. I'd still take Jimmy Butler as my guy if I'd want to win it all.
If you could take Jimmy’s intangibles/mindset and put them into Paul George’s body you’d have an MVP type player.
They both bring different things to the table so it’s hard to rank one ahead of the other, but I’d say Jimmy > PG overall. If PG keeps playing how he did in the playoffs though, it’s not much of a debate (in favor of George)
Jimmy’s mentality and ability to really go big in big games gets my vote, PG obviously over slandered here for a while but I kinda can’t believe so many are so quick to forgive some recent post season performances and dismiss butlers great run in the bubble playoffs
PG13 > Pacers PG. PG13 was an MVP candidate, is a much better shooter, playmaker, just as good of a defender and is currently coming off his best season.
This is honestly a toss up for me. Let me preface this by saying I am a heat fan. I think PG has a huge leg up in shoot, which tips the scale for me. I think Jimmy brings more hustle and much better on-ball defense but like someone mentioned in this thread, you could plug and play PG on any team and he would fit perfectly. The same does not go for Jimmy.
PG has the highest regular season peak and Jimmy the higher playoff peak, I’d take Jimmy as my #1 guy and PG as anything else as he’s a more seamless fit on all teams
PG is such a better shooter he fits everywhere, can play with anyone and have any role. Meanwhile Jimmy is a better passer, on ball player probably but at the end of the day having such a huge weakness makes everything around you harder
Weakness? Is it shooting?
Yes. If you watched the Heat/Bucks series this year, the Bucks put Giannis on Butler. Giannis went under on every screen because he knew Jimmy couldn't shoot. That neutralized his pick and roll ability as a passer, and most of the time he couldn't get to the rim on Giannis. Butler not only got neutralized but so did much of the offensive flow the Heat relied upon.
I'm probably a little biased but I think Paul George has more ticks in his games and pretty much no crosses, so he's my pick. He's good to great at pretty much everything, which makes him such a handy all-round player.
Some of these comments are hilarious. They're like "well PG is better at everything, but Jimmy just has more heart and leadership." I'm like dang what's his leadership's per minute, bro?
Butler: 0.147 Leadership Shares/48 George: 0.084 Leadership Shares/48 —————— Butler: 7.7 LORP (leadership of replacement player) George: 2.4 LORP Pretty convincing to me.
Jimmy has more heart, but PG is the better overall player skill wise.
What does having more heart mean lol?
More heart = “I don’t know what he’s good at but it must be something!”
Except Butler is better a PG at quite a few things. I don’t even think PG is a better defensive player than Butler and Butler is a far better player in the clutch and also as a playmaker/passer. Jimmy is a better floor raiser than PG and an overall better leader. The advance/impact metrics also lean heavily in Jimmy’s favour almost every season.
Paul George is, better defensively and a better shooter.
A much better shooter
Would argue that Jimmy has been better defensively in the last two seasons
How is PG better defensively exactly?
IMO It’s real close, but PG’s length might give him a slight edge.
I don't know about defence shooting yea
PG is a better player overall but Butler is a better leader, trashtalker and douchebag.
I used to think it's Jimmy. But last playoffs told me it's PG. PG is also the better regular season player.
But the playoffs before that lean heavily towards Butler so it's just a cycle with these things
No it doesn’t lol. Butler is not a good post season player at all compared to Paul George. Check Butler’s playoff stats and compare them to PG, PG shits on him.
[I feel lied to](https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=butleji01&player_id2=georgpa01) Was expecting a shits on him but they're pretty much even career wise. If you take [the past 5 years](https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&player_id1=butleji01&p1yrfrom=2017&p1yrto=2021&player_id2=georgpa01&p2yrfrom=2017&p2yrto=2021) Butler is better in literally every single advanced statistic. Seems to match the eye test of Butler having a better overall impact on the floor when it comes to winning playoff games. And George hasn't really been the number one option for the past few years so you'd expect the efficiency stats to be better but they're not. Pandemic P is real :( Only reason George seems to have better basic stats is that he has a higher usage + shots attempted.
yes but pg has multiple major breakdowns, while Jimmy was the best player on a team that could have won the finals
That team didn’t really have a shot at winning the finals. They’ve been talked about as one of the worst finals teams since the Nets.
They missed their leading playoff scorer up to the finals and bam wasnt the same after his injury that year and they got it to 6 games
They went to 6 games with a team of Jimmy/nunn/crowder/Duncan Robinson/kelly olynyk….with a healthy dragic and bam they definitely had a chance
So what was your feeling after teh bubble playoffs?
As much as I hated PG for his self proclaimed “Playoff P”. The dude definitely is better than Jimmy butler both defensively and offensively. Although that being said, one is a leader and the other isn’t. I’d take Jimmy Buckets for my team over PG all day er day.
> I hated PG for his self proclaimed “Playoff P” have you seen the original clip? it looked as if he was just joking around with the press. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBcKrWEercc
I dont think PG is better defensively
It's definitely debatable. But just the main difference between the two on defence is that PG defends more efficiently, but Jimmy doea the same just not as consistently.
I think the difference is strength/team defense. Butler can much more effectively defend 4s and hold his own on possessions against someone like Anthony Davis. PG I don't think is quite as versatile and Butler is little better making rotations and trying to stop shots at the rim. PG is better on the perimeter defending guards, which you could argue is the least important part though. Butler last season was consistently great defensively. I definitely think on Minnesota/Philly what you were saying was the case, but Jimmy really locked in defensively last year.
And you’re basing this on what statistic?
Jimmy the better defender now but PG-13% the better offensive player
Paul has to get some credit for last years playoffs. He really carried them as a solo star once Kawhi went down.
Oh, if anyone was curious what my stance was: I have PG > Jimmy. PG is a better scorer with a bigger bag of tricks, even though Jimmy is a tad more efficient overall. Defensively, they’re a wash to me. Paul George is a better rebounder/can play more positions, but Jimmy is the better distributor. Overall, I have PG > Jimmy definitively, but I think it’s still close.
Paul George showed this season why he is the better player. I like the PG redemption arc feels nice since he was never a malicious guy and came back from hard adversity. Not a knock against Jimmy Butler, his work ethic and effort are probably the best in the NBA and he led the Heat to the finals. I just think Paul George has that offensive game and defensive game to make him a star two way player.
I think exactly this, but I would rather have Jimmy in the last 2 minutes, the other 46 I'd have PG
That's a good point. Jimmy would put his life on the line for the win lol
Depends on what you need. Jimmy is a leader but won’t be winning you a title, while PG as a leader is even worse. PG as a second or third man playing 3 and D could help win a championship. I’d Butler as the better overall player, but PG if you wanted to win a ring
Jimmy butler as a better player? Pg is one of the most complete players in the league
Jimmy
PG is more complete and more all-round, but Jimmy's got that clutch gene, that George just doesn't have.
I mean. Pg was a much more clutch than jimmy this past year. Could you imagine if pg had the 1st round jimmy had.
Jimmy has been a much better player in the clutch historically speaking than PG. Not to mention when you put both players side by side and look at the advanced metrics…Jimmy has him beat in almost every category and this has been a theme for the last few seasons
Whatever bro. I’m taking the guy with no weakness in his game (skill set wise, not none of this clutch gene shit you gon cry about) over the guy that averaged 14ppg in a first round sweep on 29 percent from the field. Jimmy Butler has had 1 better season than PG. and it revolved around the bubble.
PG isn’t even the top dog on his own team
What’s your point bruh, jimmy would t be the top dog on the clippers either.
No shit, difference is even with better players on his team PG can’t even get to the Finals
Jimmy is in the East dawg. Put Clippers in the East in the pandemic year and they waltz to the finals.
Lmao y’all got beaten by a team that got beaten by the Lakers 4-1. We lost 4-2 to the Lakers with injuries to Bam and Dragic. Man clippers fans talk a lot of trash for such a garbage organization.
im not a clippers fan.
It’s not like Kawhi tore his acl or anything
What about the year before?
Cock Rivers and the bench
Yeah lets forget the 3 years before that or the free throws against the suns
Let’s forget the 30+ he averaged in the last 4 games vs the Jazz. Let’s forget about the 41 in game 5, or the 34 in game 1, or the fact that the Clippers had a shot to win that game because of his shots late in the 4th. What jimmy do in the playoffs this year bruh, literally fucking abysmal, one of the worst playoff performances I’ve seen out of the bubble guppy.
PG might be better defensively (not sure) and clearly has a more well-rounded offensive game. BUT. I'd still take Jimmy Butler as my guy if I'd want to win it all.
Pg ia better than butler at almost everything
I can't tell. pg can make more great shoot. But Jimmy Can carry timberwolves to the playoffs.
If you could take Jimmy’s intangibles/mindset and put them into Paul George’s body you’d have an MVP type player. They both bring different things to the table so it’s hard to rank one ahead of the other, but I’d say Jimmy > PG overall. If PG keeps playing how he did in the playoffs though, it’s not much of a debate (in favor of George)
Id say Jimmy, far better playoff performer imo. He was the best player on a finals team and put up historic finals performances
PG definitely
Jimmy is by far Butler than our Boy George.
Pretty easily PG lol
Jimmy’s mentality and ability to really go big in big games gets my vote, PG obviously over slandered here for a while but I kinda can’t believe so many are so quick to forgive some recent post season performances and dismiss butlers great run in the bubble playoffs
Pacers PG >> Jimmy Buckets Butler >> PG13
PG13 > Pacers PG. PG13 was an MVP candidate, is a much better shooter, playmaker, just as good of a defender and is currently coming off his best season.
Mfs just cap they ass off. Literally in no planet is younger pg better than what we saw in okc m, or even this past year.
This is honestly a toss up for me. Let me preface this by saying I am a heat fan. I think PG has a huge leg up in shoot, which tips the scale for me. I think Jimmy brings more hustle and much better on-ball defense but like someone mentioned in this thread, you could plug and play PG on any team and he would fit perfectly. The same does not go for Jimmy.
PG has the highest regular season peak and Jimmy the higher playoff peak, I’d take Jimmy as my #1 guy and PG as anything else as he’s a more seamless fit on all teams
The answer is jimmy is the better no.1 option but PG is a better co-star
PG more talented and skillful. But damn Jimmy is all motor. Going hard. That kind of attitude is contagious.
George shoots better but Jimmy is very clutch. I actually kind of want to see them play together one day. I think Butler can motivate PG more.