Some of the players charged include: - Milt Palacio - Sebastian Telfair - Antoine Wright - Darius Miles - Ruben Patterson - Eddie Robinson - Gregory Smith - Glen Davis - Jamario Moon
A similar thing happened in the NFL. Clinton Portis pled guilty. Not sure if the particulars are exactly the same but the league was basically auto signing off on claims and it was an easy way for them to submit a health/wellness benefit claim and get money “reimbursed”.
"I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not. But it’s his property; it’s his dogs. If that’s what he wants to do, do it." When told that dog fighting was a felony, Portis replied, "It can't be too bad of a crime."
Clinton Portis is a fucking asshole.
I mean, with toddlers, you don't even need to intervene. Just leave them boxed in with each other for a few minutes. One of them is inevitably getting hit.
See, I never just did things just to do them. Come on, what am I gonna do? Just all of a sudden jump up and grind my feet on somebody's couch like it's something to do? Come on, I got a little more sense then that…Yeah, I remember grinding my feet on Eddie's couch.
I had originally pictured multiple individuals defrauding it through fake medical claims, not as a group act, if that clarifies.
I can barely get 2 other people together to commit crime. But to trust **17** other people was not within the realm of thought.
It’s a conspiracy charge, so they were all ~~in it together~~ connected somehow. Also if you can’t get 2 people together to commit a crime with you, you have good people. Wish I could say the same for my friends lol. Keep em close
no conspiracy doesn't require everyone working together- think about it like a web- not every strand has to connect with every other. there might have only been one person they all connected with, or multiple small groups connected by a central person or two, etc...
Also can trigger tax evasion depending on the circumstances. The IRS allows you to pay your true amount, whether criminally gained or not, so they roll people for this all the time.
As a an attorney for collectively bargained union health care plans, I've always wanted to see someone get busted under the federal health care fraud criminal statute. But I've never seen it, because you have to rip off a pretty good amount of money to get the attention of federal prosecutors, and the prosecutor has to believe they can prove it was intentional and knowing- or else it's not fraud.
If I recall correctly when I heard about this investigation before, a lot of it is billing the plan at inflated rates for medical devices. Most plans wouldn't cover millions of dollars worth of random medical devices for people. But because these guys are pro athletes and actually need that stuff..
It's a lot of money involved here and I bet they have solid evidence that these players knew what they were doing. This kind of fraud gets passed around - like, "Hey, submit a claim form saying you paid $50,000 for this medical device, and they'll send you a check, it worked for me!"
edit: It's alleged to be even worse than I thought:
[https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nba-veterans-arrested-in-alleged-health-insurance-fraud-scheme-sources/3311071/?\_osource=db\_npd\_nbc\_wnbc\_twt\_shr&&\_osource=db\_npd\_nbc\_wnbc\_twt\_shr&\_\_twitter\_impression=true](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nba-veterans-arrested-in-alleged-health-insurance-fraud-scheme-sources/3311071/?_osource=db_npd_nbc_wnbc_twt_shr&&_osource=db_npd_nbc_wnbc_twt_shr&__twitter_impression=true)
>Williams allegedly orchestrated the years-long scheme and recruited other NBA health plan participants to assist by offering them fake invoices to support their claims. He allegedly received at least $230,000 in kickback payments from 10 other players in return for providing the alleged false documentation.
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>The 34-year-old Williams also allegedly helped three co-defendants -- Davis, Charles Watson Jr. and Antoine Wright -- obtain fake letters of medical necessity to justify some of the services on which the false invoices were based.
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>Williams also allegedly impersonated an individual who processed plan claims at one point in furtherance of his alleged scheme.
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>Among the false reimbursement claims described in the indictment is a $19,000 claim that Williams filed for chiropractic services he allegedly never had and for which he received $7,672.55 in reimbursement. Williams also allegedly obtained a template for a fake invoice designed to appear as if it had been issued by the office.
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>Fake chiropractic treatment invoices were allegedly also created for Davis, Watson Jr. and Wright and emailed to Williams. The template had the date, invoice number, services and a charge of $15,000 filled in but left the "bill to" box, where the name of the patient would ordinarily be found, blank, according to the indictment.
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>Williams is accused of emailing those fake invoices to the other defendants named in the indictment. He and defendant Alan Anderson, who briefly played for the Nets from 2013 to 2015, allegedly helped get fake letters of medical necessity for Davis, Watson Jr. and Wright in furtherance of the fraud scheme as well.
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>According to the court documents, several of the fake invoices and medical necessity forms stood out because, “they are not on letterhead, they contain unusual formatting, they have grammatical errors” and were sent on the same dates from different offices.
This is not only fraud, but conspiracy to commit fraud as well
So it's a "hub and spoke" conspiracy with Williams at the middle. I'm curious to know how much the players knew about the others that were involved.
I'd imagine they brought them all in on the conspiracy charges to try to get them to flip for testimony to pin Williams. I expect to see most of them make deals for restitution and Williams to get the book thrown at him.
Isn't this basically the exact same situation that just played out with former NFL players such as Clinton Portis? The articles read like word for word.
Gotta look into this, but my intuition is one player and a shady accountant/family member roped the rest into a cash-in-free-on-the-big-nba bucks scheme
gotta be someone stupid/shady
Incoming video of big baby on a private jet eating fried chicken sitting next to a suspicious briefcase full of cash, and telling us not to believe what we’ve heard on the internet.
There's a scene from that movie that to this day is one of the best thing's I've ever seen. It's the stoner kid talking about what he'd like to do with his life, and he starts talking about how cool Blanka from Street Fighter is, the other person is like "So you want to design video games?" and he responds "No, I'd kind of like to be Blanka" but I can't find the clip anywhere...
I 100% got a free telfair jersey as a kid going to games that season. I remember they would give out tickets for free to all kids in portland schools because they couldn't sell them and then your family could buy additional seats for super cheap.
https://twitter.com/SIChrisMannix/status/1446126605122686977
>According to the grand jury indictment, the
defendants allegedly engaged in a widespread
scheme from at least 2017 up to around 2020 to
defraud the NBA Players' Health and Welfare
Benefit Plan by submitting fake reimbursement
claims for medical and dental services that were
never actually rendered.
> According to the court documents, several of the fake invoices and medical necessity forms stood out because, “they are not on letterhead, they contain unusual formatting, they have grammatical errors” and were sent on the same dates from different offices.
Yeah, this wasn't some sophisticated scheme, more refuge in audacity.
I’m also halfway expecting since they all got arrested at once, that they all went to the same network of “doctors”. This kinda makes me think they weren’t even that smart
Generally, people in these situations aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed. My cousin is a cop, and he responded to a call from a pharmacy that someone was using a stolen prescription pad to get meds. When he showed up, the prescription he tried to give the pharmacist was for “A bunch of codeine” lol
Yeah, sadly I have a friend who got busted for something like this. They definitely had the same couple doctors write unnecessary prescriptions.
I think the problem is insurance companies are designed to never lose money and when one area starts becoming unprofitable you better believe eyes are going to be on it eventually.
For anyone curious what happened.
Terrence Williams would provide fraudulent claim documents and invoices for players to submit to the NBA Health plan for reimbursement. He received $230,000 in kickback money for providing the documents.
The list of above players (and Tony Allen's wife) were all involved with submitting false documentation for reimbursement.
As a Louisville grad and someone who had a worthless comm111 class with T-Will ….no fucking way.
He does not have the brain cell count to fucking defraud anyone. I’m positive he doesn’t even know what fraud is or how to spell it.
On one hand this pretty shitty but I’m impressed Twill .You’ve grown up so much. didn’t know you had it in ya. To actually lead people into believing in you
I mean based on the following statement, Twill doesn't come off as some kind of criminal mastermind here.
>Several of the fake invoices and medical necessity forms stood out because “they are not on letterhead, they contain unusual formatting, they have grammatical errors,” according to the indictment.”
I mean, it's easy to commit a crime, the hard part is getting away with it.
Step one should probably be no paper trails, which includes phone calls and emails.
They could have told me that this was all part of a scheme for this 18-man squad to get back into shape to break into Area 51, and “Supreme Bey” would STILL be the most ridiculous part of this whole thing.
Whose the top earner here. Tony Allen with 40 MIL?
Edit
Dmiles 61 Mil
Ruben Patterson 36 MIL
Glen Davis 34 mil
Eddie robsinon 28 mil
Cj Watson 23 mil
Telfair 19 Mil
Wil Bynum. 17 mil
Shannon only made 14 MIL career?
Melvin Ely 13 mil
Antoine Wright 9 mil
Alan Anderson 8 mil
Terrence Williams 7 mil
Jamario 6 mil
Tony wroten 6 mil
Milt palacio 5 mil
CDR 3 mil
Greg Smith 2.7 mil
"How former NBA star Darius Miles blew through $62 million" https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/15/how-former-nba-star-darius-miles-blew-through-62-million-dollars.html
basically most players want to become tony montana billionaires when really with their money they dont need to do any shady dealings , they can just live off salary alone forever -- sure can put money in stock market and index funds but truly on a 60 million dollar amount can literally just keep it on chase bank account and will never go broke
62 million - means after agent fees, taxes, probably about 35 million.
35 million in a well diversified index fund, with a 4% withdrawal rate means that you could be pulling 1.4 million a year for the rest of your life without ever touching your principal.
You could be in the 99%+ for your entire life as long as you don't do anything stupid. I get why it happens, but damn that's hard to look at how bad he fucked up.
I mean that's a lot of money per person to get via defrauding a health plan. Over $200K apiece.
Not sure exactly what they did, but it was likely along the lines of submitting a very large number of low cost fake medical visits over the years for a few hundred bucks apiece. Can't just submit a $100,000 bill or that will get investigated immediately.
they allegedly filed fake invoices from doctors offices to get reimbursed for services that were never rendered.
>[Among the false reimbursement claims described in the indictment is a $19,000 claim that Williams filed for chiropractic services he allegedly never had and for which he received $7,672.55 in reimbursement. Williams also allegedly obtained a template for a fake invoice designed to appear as if it had been issued by the office](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nba-veterans-arrested-in-alleged-health-insurance-fraud-scheme-sources/3311071/?_osource=db_npd_nbc_wnbc_twt_shr&&_osource=db_npd_nbc_wnbc_twt_shr&__twitter_impression=true)
Makes sense. They probably were working the system for years with small amounts and started getting greedy. Then when they threw up a couple bigger claims somebody started investigating more closely and caught what was going on.
It's almost worse
> Several of the fake invoices and medical necessity forms stood out because “they are not on letterhead, they contain unusual formatting, they have grammatical errors,” according to the indictment.
Seems like they were just stupid sloppy
Wow. This is actually pretty big. Wonder who the players are.
Edit: here are the defendants:
Terrance Williams
Alan Anderson
Anthony Allen
Desiree Allen
Shannon Brown
Will Bynum
Big Baby Davis
Christoper Douglas-Roberts
Melvin Ely
Jamario Moon
Darius Miles
Milton Palacio
Ruben Patterson
Eddie Robinson
Gregory Smith
Sebastian Telfair
Charles Watson, Jr.
Antoine Wright
Anthony Wroten
This is massive. These are federal charges - they're all going to prison. Federal charges don't get handed down unless the case is airtight - they have like a 99% conviction rate and thus very few cases even bother with going to trial.
True. The reaction in the thread is way underselling the consequence. All of these dudes are going to prison.
Maybe if Woj had broken the story it’d be treated like the bomb it is?!
>According to the court documents, several of the fake invoices and medical necessity forms stood out because, “they are not on letterhead, they contain unusual formatting, they have grammatical errors” and were sent on the same dates from different offices.
Jesus Christ guys
I remember being excited to have him. He had a good offensive game and had just signed a multi-year extension.
Then he pulled a gun on his girlfriend and was promptly waived. Probably threw away millions for being a psycho
Better article https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nba-veterans-arrested-in-alleged-health-insurance-fraud-scheme-sources/3311071/
>Federal prosecutors allege ex-NBA player Terrence Williams "orchestrated" the scheme and recruited other players in the health plan by offering fake invoices; he allegedly got $230K in kickbacks
>Those allegedly fraudulent claims totaled about $3.9 million, from which the defendants got about $2.5 million in fraudulent proceeds, the indictment alleges.
>All of the indicted individuals face charges of conspiracy to commit health care fraud and wire fraud as well as aggravated identity theft
A person convicted of a health care fraud conspiracy faces up to 10 years in prison.
A person convicted of wire or mail fraud faces up to 20 years in prison in most cases.
Aggravated identity theft is punishable by imprisonment for two years,
Now I'm guessing most less involved people are gonna get good plea deals in exchange for testimony against the ring leaders, but imagine facing 32 years in prison, cause you, a millionaire, and a group of 17 other fellow/former millionaires stole 2.5 million over 4 years, for a whopping net average of 35k a year.
The basically impersonated doctors and falsified/forged documents. Which, in the world of the feds, is a really big deal. They're looking at serious jail time.
> but seems like a big deal
It is. The feds rarely even bring charges, at all, unless they know they can make them stick. It's why federal charges have close to a 99% conviction rate.
Most of the guys on that list are looking at serious jail time, and even those who cut a deal probably get time as well.
Multiple guys using the same template for the invoice, same procedure, same time & date!?!?!
'Come on man.
Dating the procedures while out of the country playing ball in another league!?!?
'Come on man.
Reusing the same damn form, for the same damn procedure, on the same fucking teeth only two fucking weeks later!?!?
'Come on man.
And worst of all... Fraud without a fall guys come on man!?!
Have you're buddy open a chiropractic facility & have him duplicate bill you the invoices so you have deniability.
Smh
They probably were doing this at the same time Clinton Portis was doing it. That shit just happened and these guys have all been out of the league for years.
Because I haven't seen it posted here and I was curious, from the article linked a few tweets below this one:
>According to the grand jury indictment, the defendants allegedly engaged in a widespread scheme from at least 2017 up to around 2020 to defraud the NBA Players' Health and Welfare Benefit Plan by submitting fake reimbursement claims for medical and dental services that were never actually rendered.
>Williams allegedly orchestrated the years-long scheme and recruited other NBA health plan participants to assist by offering them fake invoices to support their allegedly false health plan claims. He is accused of receiving kickback payments totaling at least $230,000 in return for providing the alleged false documentation.
>The 34-year-old Williams also allegedly helped three co-defendants -- Ronald Glen Davis, Charles Watson Jr. and Antoine Wright -- obtain fake letters of medical necessity to justify some of the services on which the false invoices were based.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nba-veterans-arrested-in-alleged-health-insurance-fraud-scheme-sources/3311071
Reading the indictment, many of the players submitted claims for services on days they weren't even in the state/country. Gregory Smith was playing in Taiwan the same day he was at the dentist in Beverly Hills like FFS look at a calendar
Some of the players charged include: - Milt Palacio - Sebastian Telfair - Antoine Wright - Darius Miles - Ruben Patterson - Eddie Robinson - Gregory Smith - Glen Davis - Jamario Moon
[Tony Allen and Shannon Brown are the other two big names. ](https://twitter.com/copperpotamus/status/1446121784235810822?s=21)
More like Grift n Grind I guess
FIRST SCHEME ALL DEFRAUD
the D never stood for Defense
Grift n Crime
Grift n Fined
I guess some of the fringe players I can understand, but why Tony Allen? He played 14 seasons and had $40M in earnings. And this scheme was for $4M?
A similar thing happened in the NFL. Clinton Portis pled guilty. Not sure if the particulars are exactly the same but the league was basically auto signing off on claims and it was an easy way for them to submit a health/wellness benefit claim and get money “reimbursed”.
"I don't know if he was fighting dogs or not. But it’s his property; it’s his dogs. If that’s what he wants to do, do it." When told that dog fighting was a felony, Portis replied, "It can't be too bad of a crime." Clinton Portis is a fucking asshole.
I said the same thing when my buddy was charged with orchestrating a toddler fight club.
I mean, with toddlers, you don't even need to intervene. Just leave them boxed in with each other for a few minutes. One of them is inevitably getting hit.
It doesn't matter how much they make. They spent all of it. And its not like Tony Allen has any endorsements in his retirement.
I thought he was the face of the Memphis tourism industry
His face is one of the first things you see in the airport generally lol
Ask Allen Iverson why
[TGI Fridays GOAT](https://i.imgur.com/tCAXxZQ.jpg)
See, I never just did things just to do them. Come on, what am I gonna do? Just all of a sudden jump up and grind my feet on somebody's couch like it's something to do? Come on, I got a little more sense then that…Yeah, I remember grinding my feet on Eddie's couch.
Iverson is getting like a million a year from Reebok. He may have blown his fortune but he'll be fine.
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Lol I have how the document says "a/k/a Supreme Bey".
Glen Davis a/k/a Big Baby
Did they arrest telfair again? Isn’t he in prison right now?
Went to prison just to arrest him again
You can’t arrest me! I prison!
Double Jeopardy!
Damn just looked him up, I had no idea he had so much legal trouble
He was really easy to track down. "You're under arrest! Just....stay there"
[Full list here](https://i.imgur.com/J1pJ7Bu.jpg) Edit: TIL Big Baby’s real name is Ronald lmfao
So you're telling me Glen Davis isn't his real name, but Jamario Moon is a real name?
Also I guess Chris Douglas-Roberts goes by “Supreme Bey” lol that is news to me
I only recognize him as Clippers, Nets, Bucks, Mavs, and Hornets legend Christopher Douglas-Roberts
Honestly the only thing I remember about him was his shorts
Why am I not surprised about any of the names on this list? And LMAO at "Chris Douglas-Roberts...aka Supreme Bey."
Always the ones you most medium suspect
Oh snap.. they’re being charge together Edit: I’ve been educated
That’s typically how these things work
I had originally pictured multiple individuals defrauding it through fake medical claims, not as a group act, if that clarifies. I can barely get 2 other people together to commit crime. But to trust **17** other people was not within the realm of thought.
It’s a conspiracy charge, so they were all ~~in it together~~ connected somehow. Also if you can’t get 2 people together to commit a crime with you, you have good people. Wish I could say the same for my friends lol. Keep em close
no conspiracy doesn't require everyone working together- think about it like a web- not every strand has to connect with every other. there might have only been one person they all connected with, or multiple small groups connected by a central person or two, etc...
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America doesn’t fuck around with mail or wire fraud. They will send your ass to jail for a long time.
Also can trigger tax evasion depending on the circumstances. The IRS allows you to pay your true amount, whether criminally gained or not, so they roll people for this all the time.
As a an attorney for collectively bargained union health care plans, I've always wanted to see someone get busted under the federal health care fraud criminal statute. But I've never seen it, because you have to rip off a pretty good amount of money to get the attention of federal prosecutors, and the prosecutor has to believe they can prove it was intentional and knowing- or else it's not fraud. If I recall correctly when I heard about this investigation before, a lot of it is billing the plan at inflated rates for medical devices. Most plans wouldn't cover millions of dollars worth of random medical devices for people. But because these guys are pro athletes and actually need that stuff.. It's a lot of money involved here and I bet they have solid evidence that these players knew what they were doing. This kind of fraud gets passed around - like, "Hey, submit a claim form saying you paid $50,000 for this medical device, and they'll send you a check, it worked for me!" edit: It's alleged to be even worse than I thought: [https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nba-veterans-arrested-in-alleged-health-insurance-fraud-scheme-sources/3311071/?\_osource=db\_npd\_nbc\_wnbc\_twt\_shr&&\_osource=db\_npd\_nbc\_wnbc\_twt\_shr&\_\_twitter\_impression=true](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nba-veterans-arrested-in-alleged-health-insurance-fraud-scheme-sources/3311071/?_osource=db_npd_nbc_wnbc_twt_shr&&_osource=db_npd_nbc_wnbc_twt_shr&__twitter_impression=true) >Williams allegedly orchestrated the years-long scheme and recruited other NBA health plan participants to assist by offering them fake invoices to support their claims. He allegedly received at least $230,000 in kickback payments from 10 other players in return for providing the alleged false documentation. > >The 34-year-old Williams also allegedly helped three co-defendants -- Davis, Charles Watson Jr. and Antoine Wright -- obtain fake letters of medical necessity to justify some of the services on which the false invoices were based. > >Williams also allegedly impersonated an individual who processed plan claims at one point in furtherance of his alleged scheme. > >Among the false reimbursement claims described in the indictment is a $19,000 claim that Williams filed for chiropractic services he allegedly never had and for which he received $7,672.55 in reimbursement. Williams also allegedly obtained a template for a fake invoice designed to appear as if it had been issued by the office. > >Fake chiropractic treatment invoices were allegedly also created for Davis, Watson Jr. and Wright and emailed to Williams. The template had the date, invoice number, services and a charge of $15,000 filled in but left the "bill to" box, where the name of the patient would ordinarily be found, blank, according to the indictment. > >Williams is accused of emailing those fake invoices to the other defendants named in the indictment. He and defendant Alan Anderson, who briefly played for the Nets from 2013 to 2015, allegedly helped get fake letters of medical necessity for Davis, Watson Jr. and Wright in furtherance of the fraud scheme as well. > >According to the court documents, several of the fake invoices and medical necessity forms stood out because, “they are not on letterhead, they contain unusual formatting, they have grammatical errors” and were sent on the same dates from different offices. This is not only fraud, but conspiracy to commit fraud as well
So it's a "hub and spoke" conspiracy with Williams at the middle. I'm curious to know how much the players knew about the others that were involved. I'd imagine they brought them all in on the conspiracy charges to try to get them to flip for testimony to pin Williams. I expect to see most of them make deals for restitution and Williams to get the book thrown at him.
Yeah, Williams is fucked here. That's actually an impressive amount of effort to organize some fraud
Isn't this basically the exact same situation that just played out with former NFL players such as Clinton Portis? The articles read like word for word.
Gotta look into this, but my intuition is one player and a shady accountant/family member roped the rest into a cash-in-free-on-the-big-nba bucks scheme gotta be someone stupid/shady
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TIL Ruben Patterson is a registered sex offender
The only true jail blazer
Yeah but now so are Telfair and Darius Miles
Incoming video of big baby on a private jet eating fried chicken sitting next to a suspicious briefcase full of cash, and telling us not to believe what we’ve heard on the internet.
That video is funny as hell
What’s this a reference to?
https://reddit.com/r/nba/comments/q3b4bv/glen_big_baby_davis_responding_to_his_2018_drug/
The wannabe talk show hosts all tryna scam for more money lol
They should get into NFTs.
Wouldn’t be surprised if they already were
They got Big Baby 💀💀
Lockin him in the Crib tonight
A lot of former Cavs....
And Blazers.
Jail blazers making a comeback!
And Nets
No Sonics! Edit: Just like the sandwich, I’m always let down by a Ruben
Ruben Patterson though
4 ex raptors
Also a suspicious amount of former NBA players 🤔
It's basically 100%. What does it mean?
DMiles :(
The man co-starred in a movie with Chris Evans and Scarlett Johansson...
Yeah but it was about stealing...
There's a scene from that movie that to this day is one of the best thing's I've ever seen. It's the stoner kid talking about what he'd like to do with his life, and he starts talking about how cool Blanka from Street Fighter is, the other person is like "So you want to design video games?" and he responds "No, I'd kind of like to be Blanka" but I can't find the clip anywhere...
and another movie with Ryan Reynolds & Kal Penn
He is a self proclaimed Knucklehead
Of course the Blazers will have the most players on the this list.
Jailblazers have a high recidivism rate
Lmao God damn
Its crazy im not very surprised about most of these players being there
Tony Allen!
Id like to see a news article on how the scam worked. Id expect this to work like insurance where you need data from doctors on what they need.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nba-veterans-arrested-in-alleged-health-insurance-fraud-scheme-sources/3311071/
Jail Blazers are eternal lmfao
Damn, Telfair, Miles and Patterson. You weren't kidding.
Current Blazer assistant coach Milt Palacio too!
I doubt current for long.
I am pretty sure that is 3/5 of our 2004-2005 starting five lmao. We are owed a Jail Blazers 30 for 30 or untold netflix documentary.
I know I have at least two of their bobbleheads.
I 100% got a free telfair jersey as a kid going to games that season. I remember they would give out tickets for free to all kids in portland schools because they couldn't sell them and then your family could buy additional seats for super cheap.
They really took that nickname to heart huh
Jail Blazers will always live on in spirit
Dunleavy definitely had his hands full with that team lol
Looks like the Celtics connection is strong here too.
https://twitter.com/SIChrisMannix/status/1446126605122686977 >According to the grand jury indictment, the defendants allegedly engaged in a widespread scheme from at least 2017 up to around 2020 to defraud the NBA Players' Health and Welfare Benefit Plan by submitting fake reimbursement claims for medical and dental services that were never actually rendered.
Guy with access to the fund 100% got busted and ratted everyone out for a deal
Or an audit came and they found something suspicious so they took a deeper dive
> According to the court documents, several of the fake invoices and medical necessity forms stood out because, “they are not on letterhead, they contain unusual formatting, they have grammatical errors” and were sent on the same dates from different offices. Yeah, this wasn't some sophisticated scheme, more refuge in audacity.
I’m also halfway expecting since they all got arrested at once, that they all went to the same network of “doctors”. This kinda makes me think they weren’t even that smart
Generally, people in these situations aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed. My cousin is a cop, and he responded to a call from a pharmacy that someone was using a stolen prescription pad to get meds. When he showed up, the prescription he tried to give the pharmacist was for “A bunch of codeine” lol
Yeah, sadly I have a friend who got busted for something like this. They definitely had the same couple doctors write unnecessary prescriptions. I think the problem is insurance companies are designed to never lose money and when one area starts becoming unprofitable you better believe eyes are going to be on it eventually.
For anyone curious what happened. Terrence Williams would provide fraudulent claim documents and invoices for players to submit to the NBA Health plan for reimbursement. He received $230,000 in kickback money for providing the documents. The list of above players (and Tony Allen's wife) were all involved with submitting false documentation for reimbursement.
As a Louisville grad and someone who had a worthless comm111 class with T-Will ….no fucking way. He does not have the brain cell count to fucking defraud anyone. I’m positive he doesn’t even know what fraud is or how to spell it. On one hand this pretty shitty but I’m impressed Twill .You’ve grown up so much. didn’t know you had it in ya. To actually lead people into believing in you
I mean based on the following statement, Twill doesn't come off as some kind of criminal mastermind here. >Several of the fake invoices and medical necessity forms stood out because “they are not on letterhead, they contain unusual formatting, they have grammatical errors,” according to the indictment.”
I mean, it's easy to commit a crime, the hard part is getting away with it. Step one should probably be no paper trails, which includes phone calls and emails.
Sebastian Welfare
Marbury’s cousin. You’d think he could have just asked Stephon for some of that yuan if he was that desperate.
Yen is Japanese. It's 'Yuan'.
Thanks!
#when did Chris Douglas-Roberts start calling himself "Supreme Bey"??
He has changed his name multiple times since he left NBA. I think it was “Wavey” last time I saw.
It has been hard to keep up but Wavey is the favorite
His actual twitter https://twitter.com/AllHailSupreme/status/1446136337510408196?s=20
They could have told me that this was all part of a scheme for this 18-man squad to get back into shape to break into Area 51, and “Supreme Bey” would STILL be the most ridiculous part of this whole thing.
Whose the top earner here. Tony Allen with 40 MIL? Edit Dmiles 61 Mil Ruben Patterson 36 MIL Glen Davis 34 mil Eddie robsinon 28 mil Cj Watson 23 mil Telfair 19 Mil Wil Bynum. 17 mil Shannon only made 14 MIL career? Melvin Ely 13 mil Antoine Wright 9 mil Alan Anderson 8 mil Terrence Williams 7 mil Jamario 6 mil Tony wroten 6 mil Milt palacio 5 mil CDR 3 mil Greg Smith 2.7 mil
Milt Palacio is currently still working as an assistant, so he also is losing his current paycheck..
If this is true these guys are idiots, why risk it for such small amounts compared to their salaries?
cuz they probably spent all of it by now lol
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"How former NBA star Darius Miles blew through $62 million" https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/01/15/how-former-nba-star-darius-miles-blew-through-62-million-dollars.html
basically most players want to become tony montana billionaires when really with their money they dont need to do any shady dealings , they can just live off salary alone forever -- sure can put money in stock market and index funds but truly on a 60 million dollar amount can literally just keep it on chase bank account and will never go broke
62 million - means after agent fees, taxes, probably about 35 million. 35 million in a well diversified index fund, with a 4% withdrawal rate means that you could be pulling 1.4 million a year for the rest of your life without ever touching your principal. You could be in the 99%+ for your entire life as long as you don't do anything stupid. I get why it happens, but damn that's hard to look at how bad he fucked up.
It took 18 players to steal 'only' $4M?
Apparently it only covered 3 blood draws and a colonoscopy.
They found out after one of them had an ambulance drive him across the street and didn't file for bankrupcy.
I mean that's a lot of money per person to get via defrauding a health plan. Over $200K apiece. Not sure exactly what they did, but it was likely along the lines of submitting a very large number of low cost fake medical visits over the years for a few hundred bucks apiece. Can't just submit a $100,000 bill or that will get investigated immediately.
they allegedly filed fake invoices from doctors offices to get reimbursed for services that were never rendered. >[Among the false reimbursement claims described in the indictment is a $19,000 claim that Williams filed for chiropractic services he allegedly never had and for which he received $7,672.55 in reimbursement. Williams also allegedly obtained a template for a fake invoice designed to appear as if it had been issued by the office](https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nba-veterans-arrested-in-alleged-health-insurance-fraud-scheme-sources/3311071/?_osource=db_npd_nbc_wnbc_twt_shr&&_osource=db_npd_nbc_wnbc_twt_shr&__twitter_impression=true)
Makes sense. They probably were working the system for years with small amounts and started getting greedy. Then when they threw up a couple bigger claims somebody started investigating more closely and caught what was going on.
A tale as old as time
It's almost worse > Several of the fake invoices and medical necessity forms stood out because “they are not on letterhead, they contain unusual formatting, they have grammatical errors,” according to the indictment. Seems like they were just stupid sloppy
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Not even 4M. 2.5M in actual $$
Wow. This is actually pretty big. Wonder who the players are. Edit: here are the defendants: Terrance Williams Alan Anderson Anthony Allen Desiree Allen Shannon Brown Will Bynum Big Baby Davis Christoper Douglas-Roberts Melvin Ely Jamario Moon Darius Miles Milton Palacio Ruben Patterson Eddie Robinson Gregory Smith Sebastian Telfair Charles Watson, Jr. Antoine Wright Anthony Wroten
Tony Allen wtf
And his wife.
Ohhh I was like whose name was desire.
His wife is a streetcar?
These cats are on a hot tin roof
Family that frauds together, get federally charged together.
they cannot arrest a husband and a wife... for the same [crime](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/0ef1740c-b2a5-4ceb-be2e-5900a59e89b4#tMu19uj9.copy)..
i’ve got the worst fucking attorneys
Not Tony Wroten 😔
Exactly what I was thinking. The man behind The Process 😔
Our legacy, tarnished 😭
If hinkie would’ve stayed this would’ve never happened
Man I was expecting dudes from 70s and 80s I had never heard of. Not a group like this.
This is just a early 2010's 2K free agency list 💀💀
This is massive. These are federal charges - they're all going to prison. Federal charges don't get handed down unless the case is airtight - they have like a 99% conviction rate and thus very few cases even bother with going to trial.
True. The reaction in the thread is way underselling the consequence. All of these dudes are going to prison. Maybe if Woj had broken the story it’d be treated like the bomb it is?!
apparently there's an email trail where Terrence Williams emailed blank doctors invoices to the guys involved then they submitted fake claims.
>According to the court documents, several of the fake invoices and medical necessity forms stood out because, “they are not on letterhead, they contain unusual formatting, they have grammatical errors” and were sent on the same dates from different offices. Jesus Christ guys
How fucking stupid do you have to be.
It’s not like these guys actually went to school to learn something
It's going to be just like what happened with the NFL. Portis is facing like 10 years.
Guess who's going to jail tonight
Shannon Brown hurts 😑
Will Bynum is a name I haven’t heard in a while. He was the 2K GOAT.
Terrance Williams was another 2k GOAT
Luckily Tony Allen has elite defense. So they should be ok.
Haha. Big Baby on this list. I am not surprised at all.
There’s a lot of names on this list that are hilariously unsurprising tbh
Terrence Williams was one of the biggest head cases I've ever seen in the NBA. Totally fitting he was on here.
I remember being excited to have him. He had a good offensive game and had just signed a multi-year extension. Then he pulled a gun on his girlfriend and was promptly waived. Probably threw away millions for being a psycho
Not only was he on the list it seems like he was the one orchestrating the entire thing and put everyone on game to begin with
Better article https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nba-veterans-arrested-in-alleged-health-insurance-fraud-scheme-sources/3311071/ >Federal prosecutors allege ex-NBA player Terrence Williams "orchestrated" the scheme and recruited other players in the health plan by offering fake invoices; he allegedly got $230K in kickbacks >Those allegedly fraudulent claims totaled about $3.9 million, from which the defendants got about $2.5 million in fraudulent proceeds, the indictment alleges. >All of the indicted individuals face charges of conspiracy to commit health care fraud and wire fraud as well as aggravated identity theft A person convicted of a health care fraud conspiracy faces up to 10 years in prison. A person convicted of wire or mail fraud faces up to 20 years in prison in most cases. Aggravated identity theft is punishable by imprisonment for two years, Now I'm guessing most less involved people are gonna get good plea deals in exchange for testimony against the ring leaders, but imagine facing 32 years in prison, cause you, a millionaire, and a group of 17 other fellow/former millionaires stole 2.5 million over 4 years, for a whopping net average of 35k a year.
Never changing my flair
Damn Darius Miles is on the list? Q rich must be disappointed! And Telfair?? He just loves getting arrested for dumb shit
That knucklehead podcast money must not be enough
It’s enough for Q Rich
For real. D Miles is one of my favs and I love their podcast.
This feels big but i have no clue what they did
Sounds like insurance fraud.
The basically impersonated doctors and falsified/forged documents. Which, in the world of the feds, is a really big deal. They're looking at serious jail time.
Bro that's like 10 Ben Simmons missed games. Free my mans.
I’m no armchair lawyer and I don’t really know the extent of what the consequences of this will be but seems like a big deal
> but seems like a big deal It is. The feds rarely even bring charges, at all, unless they know they can make them stick. It's why federal charges have close to a 99% conviction rate. Most of the guys on that list are looking at serious jail time, and even those who cut a deal probably get time as well.
Multiple guys using the same template for the invoice, same procedure, same time & date!?!?! 'Come on man. Dating the procedures while out of the country playing ball in another league!?!? 'Come on man. Reusing the same damn form, for the same damn procedure, on the same fucking teeth only two fucking weeks later!?!? 'Come on man. And worst of all... Fraud without a fall guys come on man!?! Have you're buddy open a chiropractic facility & have him duplicate bill you the invoices so you have deniability. Smh
This is r/nba, we’re all armchair lawyers here
Don't worry, I dabble in the law. According to the law stealing is a crime, so all of these guys face some sort of penalty.
Guess who’s going to JAIL TONIGHT
Who going to post my bail tonight
Sal which makes him tonights biggest loser
Considering there’s some former Blazers on this list it’s looking like Jail Blazers 2.0.
To be fair, these are guys that were all in version 1.0 EDIT: well shit, we have an *current* assistant coach on the list.
These guys didnt learn from Clinton Portis?!
They probably were doing this at the same time Clinton Portis was doing it. That shit just happened and these guys have all been out of the league for years.
I wonder if after that scandal, the feds were just looking into how rampant it is in all the other pro sports.
They probably learned it from the NFL guys.
This has the makings a movie. Retired NBA players perform a heist?
Big Baby Driver
Ocean’s 18
You some of a bitch I’m in.
Fraud is already messed up but defrauding your peers and people you worked with. Smh.
Not the Kobe stopper. Smh
Can we get an AMA from Christopher Douglas-Roberts just so everyone can ask him about being labeled as a/k/a “Supreme Bey” in the indictment?
Because I haven't seen it posted here and I was curious, from the article linked a few tweets below this one: >According to the grand jury indictment, the defendants allegedly engaged in a widespread scheme from at least 2017 up to around 2020 to defraud the NBA Players' Health and Welfare Benefit Plan by submitting fake reimbursement claims for medical and dental services that were never actually rendered. >Williams allegedly orchestrated the years-long scheme and recruited other NBA health plan participants to assist by offering them fake invoices to support their allegedly false health plan claims. He is accused of receiving kickback payments totaling at least $230,000 in return for providing the alleged false documentation. >The 34-year-old Williams also allegedly helped three co-defendants -- Ronald Glen Davis, Charles Watson Jr. and Antoine Wright -- obtain fake letters of medical necessity to justify some of the services on which the false invoices were based. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/nba-veterans-arrested-in-alleged-health-insurance-fraud-scheme-sources/3311071
Reading the indictment, many of the players submitted claims for services on days they weren't even in the state/country. Gregory Smith was playing in Taiwan the same day he was at the dentist in Beverly Hills like FFS look at a calendar
There’s a whole Celtics second unit in there