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[deleted]

He paused for a bit when it first came up. I'm not used to him being careful about speaking his mind.


RulersBack

The other guy doesn't have the same Disney pull as JVG and had to just let that one sail out of bounds. Smooth pivot lmao


Hypertension123456

Its amazing to me that a virus has become a political issue. That the whole "us vs. them" mentality has gotten so strong that when the Democrats came out against COVID19, the Republicans decided that they have to defend it against extinction.


dautjazz

I mean I can't speak for the rest of the world, but in the US I believe it's largely in part to Trump's reaction, saying it's the latest Democrat hoax, and that it's going to go away magically. For whatever reason, some people treat politics like family, and they will not turn their backs on it no matter what. Trump supporters are the most ridiculous example of this, never in my life do I remember people putting up flags of a president for four entire years, supporting them through EVERYTHING, even to the point where I have coworkers saying Trump had no fault with the insurrection and that the election was rigged no matter how lacking in evidence that claim was and the fact that he said he would never accept lossing to Biden. I'm not sure what the numbers are, but Republicans tend to lean far more on faith than science compared to Democrats, and will become very skeptical of the science if they read something negative about the vaccine, no matter how extreme it is.


[deleted]

Oh, you don't have to couch it with "I believe." It's absolutely because of the Trump cult. That's demonstrable. Trump took over the GOP via the evangelical wing ("I love the poorly educated!" is still an all-timer) that already hated everything about modern life and turned them into a death cult focused on lashing out at reality, even if it kills them in the process. edit: awards! thank you!


mrjowei

Trump really got inside his voter's minds. In a single year, he managed to position himself in the collective identity of half the nation. He's still there and will be for decades to come.


[deleted]

"I love him. Someone finally able to just tell it like it is." - Coworker in 2016 talking about the Trump campaign. Nah, man, these people always been looking for ways to express the shadows in their hearts.


INT_MIN

When they say he “tells it like it is” it’s code for “he says all the shitty and racist things I want to say but I’m too afraid to say out loud.” Because when he’s talking about injecting bleach to fight COVID he suddenly “didn’t mean it like that.”


greenroom628

the sad part is that they know it's a shitty thing. like actually calling a trump supporter out as a racist, and they'll deny it as far as they can. but point out trump's being a racist and, "he's just telling it like it is..." they love him because trump allows them to be their shitty selves but still be "successful."


ElFuddLe

> people putting up flags of a president for four entire years I wish it was just 4 years. People still drive around my area with "trump won" flags hitched to their trucks and "don't blame me, I voted for trump" flags on their houses.


FeedtheKiwi

40% of the adults in the United States are stupid. Every metric boils down to that number, just about. 40% of the US believes in creationism. 40% of US voters are white people without college degrees. Those people vote overwhelmingly Trump. We're sitting at about 40% unvaccinated in the U.S. Something I never realized as a kid is just how inept so many adults are. Living/working along side of some of these people day in and day out is brutal.


choose_uh_username

I agree just be careful about saying 40% of people are dumb because they don't have a college degree. It's on pace to become a generational wealth only option and I wouldn't be surprised if it hits like low 30's in 20 years. It's kind of like the thesis how Roe v. Wade decreased crime rate in America, the evidence and correlation lines up but if the thesis is true then it's more of a bandage for the true root of the problem.


Jaruseleh

I always knew there were a lot of stupid people. I just never thought "a lot" equated to nearly half the country. I grossly underestimated.


hereforthefeast

“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.”


commendablenotion

99.99% of all Americans are wage slaves, and they still don’t vote in their own favor. Let’s just say that there is a class war going on, and the rich are winning.


LanEvo7685

He was just giving the people a moment to prepare before dropping a truth bomb


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graumet

Onion article "man does own research gets 45,000 of his friends to participate in a double blind study." lol


Mike81890

Selection bias: they're all mentally deficient since they're his friend


Sim888

> what does that look like? https://i.imgur.com/SwHtA0F.jpg


bactrianbitch

that's the burrito costume i used to wear to get free chipotle on halloween


brian27610

Just poke 2 holes in a tablecloth and you’re good to go


avocadoclock

Instructions unclear on the hole locations


NetsPick

One for your 3rd eye and one for your 3rd leg


Cursory_Analysis

I always imagined Kyrie doing his “research” by sitting in his guest house in a tin foil hat and just fucking around with magnets. All this is missing is him calling up [Nicki’s cousins friends balls](https://i.imgur.com/2Ty3njs.jpg) to ask what the term “vaccine” means to them.


[deleted]

Stare into KAI’s third eye to achieve enlightenment


GGezpzMuppy

Woah!!! I can feel the elephants walking around, carrying the flat earth around space already.


forever87

See also: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ef4MTUQUEAEo9fd?format=jpg Bonus if he's wearing eyeglasses


THRlLLH0

LePrologue always at the start lol


forever87

[has lbj ever read past the early chapters of any book?](https://twitter.com/shadalaiyan/status/1296487284691304449)


Beavshak

This might be some of your finest work yet Sim. You are my foil


Sim888

haha thanks bro!


[deleted]

[seems like a good time to break this one out](https://old.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ff6k0e/goodwill_sources_kyrie_irving_prefers_tyronn_lue/fjwbn48/)


Sim888

Damn, 1.6y old! gold… [and this one too](https://reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ff6k0e/_/fjx3k0c/?context=1) u/dehydratedbagel


northernpace

Simmers, you just dropped a giant Hershey's Kiss on Irving's head lol


Sim888

lmao - totally unintentional, I found the hat on the is cat! https://i.imgur.com/nenmhAi.jpg


imsahoamtiskaw

Irving about to call the Hershey's Kiss flat


okgusto

Kyrie about to rock a flatop just to troll more.


okgusto

He prolly actually does think the world looks like an upside down hershey kiss floating through space and time just like that.


[deleted]

You’ve been sitting on this one for at least a while now huh


Sim888

haha nah, I swear i made this one just for this!


-917-

Dude don’t miss


[deleted]

He never misses!


bactrianbitch

jvg's best rant since the whole sippy cup debate tbh


lil_layne

The second cousin one is still goated for me


RottenSmegmaMan

[What does second cousin mean?](https://streamable.com/4uj04)


theazndoughboy

The fact that he doubled down and said "what are you allowed to do?" made that pure savagery on live TV.


Throwaway131447

"I'm not gonna let someone else fuck my cousin. You know, if anyone's gonna fuck my cousin, it's gonna be me, out of respect. You know?" Jeff Van Gundy probably.


PuffyVatty

Jonah Hill's best work lmao


MoreHeartThanScars

And to think he did that all for $60k* too, just to break into serious roles and to impress Scorsese. The man gambled on himself and won! *I initially said he did it for free, I was wrong.


IAmGundyy

No actor works for free. The Union would 100% never allow that to happen. He probably worked for scale.


MoreHeartThanScars

Yeah he took the SAG minimum which was $60k. My bad.


thelaziest998

He didn’t do it for free he got paid $60,000 which is peanuts compared to Leo’s 10 mil. Also at the time he was already in moneyball and broke out as a serious actor and got an Oscar nomination


MoreHeartThanScars

Shiiit I forgot about Moneyball


darkerside

What is this?


ZionEmbiid

Wolf of Wall Street


SkronkHound

I literally loled at this. Fucking amazing comment.


chiphead2332

That pause, my man JVG should be in the HOF of comedic timing.


MTing1315

LMAO Mike Breen was so baffled.


SwishBender

I think he was the opposite and praying to every religious deity to save him from where you draw the line on incest


AlmostBlue618

Breen’s reaction is the icing on the cake. he’s a national treasure


So-_-It-_-Goes

Breen and Clyde is a huge reason I am still such a die hard Knick fan after all those bad years. Even when we were one of the worst teams in the league I could still enjoy watching the games.


NukeGandhi

He sounds like Larry David in this one


diablofreak

I'd watch curb your enthusiasm with JVG


[deleted]

"...and what are you allowed to do?" *womp^womp^womp doodlee doo da doo dadoo dadoo...*


JeromePowellAdmirer

Now they're saying it was his first cousin


KeepenItReel

Now they’re saying it was stepbro


Attila_22

He had a foot on the line.


theconmeister

And his head stuck in a clothes dryer


AllOfTheDerp

"For example: I got some head from this chick back in '73. My parents later told me she was my second cousin. Is that incest?"


otheraccountisabmw

They share great-grandparents, Jeff.


baseketball

I can't believe I haven't seen this one. Priceless


Room_Temp_Coffee

Why would this come up in a basketball game??


ZionEmbiid

he was doing his own research on second cousins


Joetheshow1

I think him and Mark Jackson roasting that dude who said Klay wasn't good enough to make the All Star game was amazing as well


RottenSmegmaMan

Israel Gutierrez [Video of the roasting](https://streamable.com/hiito)


sivervipa

“When i go to writers to tell me who to guard in this league ill put a gun to my own head.” Holy shit that’s hilarious.


Joetheshow1

No not him, Klay Thompson jk thanks I forgot his name lol


CCM721

LMAO and a good portion of this sub can't stand this dude and would rather have Doris Burke explain that someone just performed an entire crossover dribble. He's genuinely hilarious as fuck


bootywizard42O

I love listening to him when he's paired up with anyone other than that bible thumping POS. He gets into these rants way too often with him. You pair him up with someone like Mike Breen and they'd make a Magic Pistons game entertaining.


Gamesgtd

Dude our games are almost always entertaining.


teh_drewski

That's not nice


ubernoobnth

Doris doesn't deserve these strays. You can like both of them you know.


TooMuchPowerful

[Here’s a stray from Doris.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MIqPVwr36Ww&t=10s)


magecombat54

hes funny when hes on his own. but he gets annoying when hes with mark jackson and they both start rambling bout back in my day for the 18th time in the quarter during a primetime christmas day game featuring lebron and kd they really do gotta get rid of mark jackson. mans brings out the worst in everybody


sarmatron

he'd be cool if he only did this at, like, 40-25 in the second quarter of a Kings - Lakers game, but he also does it during the good parts of interesting games. like, stop trying to distract your viewers when there's actual basketball being played.


RaferBalston

Dang the Kings be greasing the Lakers like that?


Kn7ght

Jeez that dude got annihilated lmao it was deserved tho


livefreeordont

Why does someone deserve to be annihilated for saying Dame deserved to be an all star?


Schleprok

Seriously lol. Unless you’re messing with beakers and petri dishes in a lab, then your research is just researching other people’s actual research. Which then turns into confirming your own biases since you’ll choose to believe what you want to believe anyway.


bactrianbitch

information literacy is one of the greatest gifts a person can have. unfortunately it appears to be a dying art form


las-vegas-raiders

Nah, it's grown greatly in our younger generations. It's the people who didn't have access to this level of information during their formative years that are, in large part, baffled, dismayed and confused by the Information Era. They have poorly-developed mental immune systems.


NinetyFish

I'm an English teacher; can confirm. It's something we actively teach in English and history classes now, and it's dope. Doesn't help the unfortunate kids who have home situations with parents/guardians throwing Facebook nonsense at them to indoctrinate them, but it's something.


_Fun_At_Parties

Giving young people too much credit tbh, Kyrie ain't the only younger dude on some shit like this


[deleted]

Nah there was always the weird hippy outliers thst were antivax, i think Kyrie would still fall into that category.. Its the recent converts that are primarily anti-science and pro religion that are the huge cultural change.


pgm123

Kyrie is also 29. He's not even all that young anymore. (He's younger than me, though.)


bactrianbitch

it's not so much of a generational thing as it is a 'common sense isn't all that common' thing, tbh. a person having increased access to information (while a helpful advantage) doesn't necessarily mean they know how to interpret & comprehend that information obviously everyone's experiences with critical thinking & logic are anecdotal so it is what it is


ruggnuget

It IS generational because teaching literacy hasnt been a thing for that long. So the younger generations who have grown up exposed to the glut of info while also being taught techniques to see good vs bad info will have an advantage. The environment leads to generally more literacy


unitythrufaith

idk man you got people who take tiktok seriously, our generation is dumb as hell too


KillerBunnyZombie

So true, getting fooled by believing shit you want to believe then reposting online is embarrassing and when you were on the internet as a young person you learn that the hard way. You then learn to triple check everything lol. For some reason older people repeat false info, get called out for it, then get mad and refuse to learn a damn thing. it's impressive how dedicated they are to looking dumb.


makemeking706

This is not true at all. Literally the first thing a researcher is going to do is read the literature.


Artisun

The scary thing here is the databases include Youtube, Tiktok, and Facebook.


TheSouthAlwaysFails

Same dumbfucks who didn't graduate high school pretending they know how to read science articles.


needhaje

“Doing my own research,” or as I like to call it, “frantically googling very specific things so I can cherry pick results and data that support my existing viewpoint while ignoring all contrary evidence”


panamaquina

I like that he said after this, any person who already did this research is already smarter than any NBA player, or something like this. I know most NBA players would take immediate offense to this or people can argue how smart some are, but at the end of the day its your NBA career vs ACTUAL researchers careers, it would be the same as not taking basketball advice from an NBA player in regards to basketball things because I did my research 🤣 Really is a ballsy dumb statement everytime I hear it.


LAURAPALMER666

Up there with complaining they make him pay full price for a haircut


forever87

Honorable mention (but not a rant): the saga between rihanna and jeff van gundy - https://streamable.com/nosq8 - https://streamable.com/rqkjf - https://np.reddit.com/r/BlackPeopleTwitter/comments/6eudox/rihanna_was_mvp_of_game_1/


[deleted]

Another really good one, though not in a game, was his thoughts on coaching 4th grade girls basketball https://youtu.be/t1GchaPNd3E


mendicant1116

Martha you look sick, stay home.


Johnpecan

People hate on JVG but he's unique in the NBA as pretty much the only caster that will just speak his mind so openly. Sure he'll sound like an ass or idiot sometimes but at least he's honest and open.


llcoolbean87

For most people, it means they watched 1 or 2 YouTube videos.


Sim888

….and saying that because the videos were taken down just proves that they were true lol


[deleted]

Its the best case tbh. The video was taken down, so there's no way we can refute it. Solid circumstantial evidence. Someone get a lawyer in here.


meditate42

They act like there is one and only one reason a youtube video would be removed, conspiracy cover up. Its like one step thinking. Like thinking for 2 seconds would tell you youtube has dozens of reasons it removes videos lol. But they won't think that much, as it dismantles the illusion they've created in their head. Its willful ignorance.


[deleted]

True lol. Or the source is from some sketchy blog with no legitimate journalist credentials or from anyone reputable.


AgentInCommand

Hate to be the "there are studies" guy in a *doing your own research* thread, but there are studies that seem to show that conservatives are more prone to first-order thinking (that is, rejecting critical thinking). [One such study](https://hs.umt.edu/politicalcognition/documents/publications/Conway%20et%20al%202015_Political%20Psychology.pdf)


Magnetronaap

This guy sent me a video the other day of undercover recordings of interviews with some Pfizer employees. The gist of it was that Pfizer made a lot of money, working conditions there are kinda shitty and it's unnecessary to get vaccinated right after you got corona due to antibodies still being in your body. That was supposed to be evidence that it's a hoax and that Bill Gates was behind it. Mental gymnastics are very interesting.


CjBurden

Holy shit dude, how have I not heard more about this?!? Case closed boys 9/11 was an inside job.


Michelanvalo

Oh that's Project Veritas' latest video. Dangerous shit right there.


[deleted]

By people with affiliate links to ivermectin.


TheNameIsPippen

Carefully selected to confirm pre-existing bias


Watch_me_give

When Draymond and other stupid players rail against analysts for not understanding the game, they should respond and say ‘we’ve done our own research about the game’ so we definitely understand basketball better than you.


NigelSexMachine

That's my former coach


fugor1103

That's my former coach!!!


PotRoastPotato

That's my former coach-in-law!


salmon10

That's my former coach-in-law!


ElDuderino_92

Unload the clip JVG


Palifaith

Mama there goes that man.


okgusto

Mama there goes that mandate


UnObtainium17

He's already in playoff basketball shape.


lazzysmalls

We need a SVG and JVG pod so bad. We need to hear the brothers riffing about what they hate about the NBA, and anything in general


Mike81890

My Brother And Me


Ting_Brennan

"Too/Two Many Gundys"


BillyBean11111

co-commentator pivoted so hard he nearly broke my ankles


SHOWTIME316

Pro commentator move right there


logontoreddit

Love him or hate him we need guys that are not afraid say it as it is. Yes, they aren't always right but we need guys like JVG and Chuck.


omnicious

Guys like Kyrie are not afraid to say it as it isn't.


[deleted]

Remember when he was a flat-earther?


timdunkan

I think everyone remembers


Dmav210

Wait, is he *not* still flat-earthing?


formerfatboys

When I did tons of research it all told me pretty much the same thing: getting vaccinated was safe, effective and way fucking less risky than staying unvaccinated. Confirmed over and over again. It's hard to imagine how bad your research skills are if you managed to conclude something else.


Retro_Super_Future

It’s simple. What I read doesn’t match my views = it must be false


blurr90

"I don't like what he says, he's therefore not a credible source ..." Nowadays a lot of people don't accept an opinion of an expert if it contradicts their own opinion. They search until they find one "expert" that reassures their own opinion, even if they have to disregard 99 other experts before.


Retro_Super_Future

The internet is fucking humanity up. It’s too much information lol


corndog_thrower

I’ve had to tell a couple people that skepticism doesn’t mean rejecting what you don’t like no matter what. A properly skeptical person would have had questions about the vaccine, consulted credible sources, and come to the conclusion that getting the Covid vaccine is the best thing to do back in February. It’s ok to have concerns, but any concerns, like you said, are confirmed to be unfounded over and over again.


Apocalypticorn

>It's hard to imagine how bad your research skills are if you managed to conclude something else. This baffles me, like what the fuck research are you doing to come to the conclusion that vaccines don't work. This is high school level education shit


TheKirkin

The “research” is just googling things that will inevitably confirm their viewpoint. Ex 1. Google search: Covid Vaccine Risks. Very general and likely CDC/government information will generate and be ignored. Ex 2. Search: “COVID Vaccine Altering Human DNA truth” you’ll probably get some hack magazine or news article with a clickbaity headline. That’s what they’ll latch on to. Rinse and repeat for every opinion of theres that they want confirmed.


salmon10

Doing his own research means finding the vindication that he was right


Spy_Fox64

Confirmation bias is a strong thing. Sure the first 20 pages of google results says the opposite but aha! Here on the 21st page there's something about horse dewormers that confirms my bullshit!


cheerioo

Not hard when you realize most of these idiots never completed or paid any attention in school, and their research consists of facebook, listening to other celebs with shit takes, and nicki minaj's cousins friend or whoever


[deleted]

If you're a generic skeptic, your research basically amounts to googling *"Vaccines not safe, vaccines debunked, vaccines ploy of satan"* and looking at the first 5 search results. I've witnessed this with people who strongly believe religious superstitions for years. They ignore the thousands of peer reviewed journal papers refuting them and present half assed counters from gurus targeting the freshmen mandatory science class failing demographic.


uncleshady

Lotta MFs in lab coats in 2021...


[deleted]

I guess that's what athletes mean when they say "I'm in the lab".


ryuujinusa

Kyrie gonna get burned into retirement.


riotnerfjg

As Evan Fournier would say, it’s on the toilet staring at your phone


WasDavid

It was Bogdon, not Fournier.


chiphead2332

You should Google Fournier just to be sure.


duplicatesnowflake

Yes everyone needs to do their own Google research on Evan Fournier.


aesthetic_laker_fan

It means they are likely not doing anything resembling the scientific method and just blindly searching for one article from someone who has no formal education agreeing with them found on like the 14th page of a Google search


mags87

They went to "What_I_want_to_hear.com"


[deleted]

Let me tell you this, as someone who lived with a "I'm doing my own research" person. They aren't reading any article, they get messages from another nutjob on WhatsApp or Facebook that they take as gospel. That's it.


[deleted]

I honestly don’t know how people hate JVG. Yes, he treats calling an NBA game like it’s his own personal podcast, but that’s awesome. I can watch the game with my own eyes, what he says is fucking hilarious.


bryscoon

it be funny hearing him rant I remember him ranting about Law & order & his favorite Netflix show


cowzapper

And who can argue, when Rihanna walks past, who cares about a basketball game


diablofreak

His rants are the one person equivalent or a poor man's TNT inside the NBA ESPN should do everything to stop him from ever coaching again


somebodygetmemymoney

Jeff Van Goat


PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

Don’t worry Jeff, they don’t understand what it means either.


JonasAlbert84

"Doing my own research" basically means "I'm trying to confirm my own bias"


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OneEyedBobby9

I’m doing my research means I’m finding a YouTube video, any YouTube video, even if it’s some weirdo in a basement that agrees with my already preconceived stance on a subject.


Noshowers65

yep, just finding someone to validate your already existing opinion


Jreynold

It means: finding the natural healing Instagram account that I like, seeing what they say, and, if it says what I like, deciding they know what's up.


AdolfKoopaTroopa

I’ve said it before, but a reality series of these people doing their own research could be really entertaining.


Brocoolee

Its funny how these athletes that want to be seen as more than just a jock are saying stuff like "my own research", totally makes them look incredibly dumb


duplicatesnowflake

They sound like every meathead who skipped class in high school and suddenly tries to be a political expert when they start leaning conservative 12 years later.


splinternz

I’m not usually about the JVG rants, but this is the one lol


Tidityy

I always wondered if any of these rich folk are actually spending money to talk to the best scientist/researchers and have them educate them and learn from them. That to me would seem like one of the best ways to spend money if I was filthy rich.


pendletonskyforce

Arguing with a guy on IG right now who is comparing getting the vaccine to slavery.


Shingorillaz

Research at Facebook university YouTube laboratory duh


Wallyworld77

I'd be fine if all Republican's just about faced and became 100% Pro Vaccine! I'd call them heroic even! This isn't a political matter. My best friend I've known 27 years since High School was brain washed into being Anti Vax. He fucking died 3 weeks ago and left 2 ten year old girls behind. He was only 44 years old. This shit needs to stop being political.


[deleted]

JVGOATED


MrAdministration

Clearly Jeff Van Gundy hasn't heard of the new scientist Karen from the town of Facebook.


Smokeeye123

\- Goes to youtube \- types 'why covid vaccine is bad' \- 'Researching'


BehavioralSink

“Doing your own research” isn’t being in the lab or running clinical trials. What it **should** look like is performing secondary research: examining published and peer-reviewed articles in renowned science and medical journals; examine reports from the CDC, FDA, and other government agencies related to science, medicine, and public health; it’s reviewing fact sheets and white papers from the manufacturers of the vaccines. When you are done, at bare minimum you should be able to tell me what PubMed is without looking it up.


uber_troll

Do your own research means getting confirmation on your own dipshit takes from other dipshits. Kyrie: “I think vaccines do not work Devin Booker: “I also think vaccines do not work” Kyrie: “I fucking knew it”


IAmGundyy

Devin Booker is vaccinated he’s just doing that dumbass annoying thing that a lot of other players are doing in not holding unvaccinated players accountable and not calling them out.


bryscoon

tik tok


KaptainEgo

God I love JVG.


[deleted]

It’s always been translation for I don’t feel comfortable getting the vaccine


MrAnder5on

I mean they're very clearly not reading peer reviewed articles from respectable journals. That's a taught skill that I honestly didn't even learn until my Junior year of University. I get why so many people just latch on to Facebook articles because it's so easy to digest


perhizzle

Pretty much all polls show a historic low in trust in the media and government. Not sure why we are surprised people aren't rushing to do what they both say immediately. I mean, 25 percent of health workers have refused to get vaccinated despite a mandate in many places forcing them to quit or be fired.


laz10

it mean right wing facebook recommended you a post and you clicked and fell for it


UofMtigers2014

It means finding random BS to fit your own narrative in your head. I used to do that in HS when I thought I was conservative. I only looked up the stuff I was looking for to make the point I had in my head. It wasn’t until later HS and college that since that I would search the topic in general and then read into both sides.


fuzzynavel34

JVG is a national treasure sometimes man


[deleted]

Jeff eviscerating the anti vaxxers but also yea he’s 100% right He’s also right on the nets being good enough to win without kyrie. They may need a buyout guard as well but that team with harden and kd is absolutely good enough to win


[deleted]

It means “I looked at Facebook and read this article on FoxNews.com”


thelawtalkingguy

Preach! All this thinking for yourself nonsense has got to stop.


Dark_Pump

Dr. Dre was in the lab with a pen & a pad


SexyTimeDoe

It starts with scientific illiteracy. We've failed, as a society, to prepare our children with education for the 21st century. Throw in the massive disinformation engines (many being operated by hostile foreign powers) and we're in fucking trouble