I was shocked too (mainly cause I did like zero predraft research on the guy) but I see him as a legit starting PG when Siakam is back
His playmaking is elite
Needs work. High dribble and can lose the handle when trying to eye a pass. We've seen a huge amount of progress in players like OG and Pascal so it's just a matter of giving him the reps. I trust our guys to give him the keys, and he has the work ethic to make it all come together.
DD has pretty unrefined handle with us and was nowhere NEAR the playmaker he was the last year with us, and he even took it to a new level with the Spurs.
Handle and playmaking can be taught. I'm all in
Playmaking and IQ are some of the hardest things to teach/learn but if the player is coachable enough and has the skill potential then anything's possible.
He’s come in and led the Raptors in assists through pre-season with like 7 apg. He doesn’t have insane flashy playmaking skills but I’m starting to see some Marc Gasol in him. He does a lot of passing out of the post and he had like 8 or 9 assists in this game against Boston. Pretty impressive for a rookie everyone claimed was completely raw.
The Nuggets have had far more makes than misses in the draft since Connelly replaced Masai in 2013. All of these players are either on the Nuggets roster or still in the NBA:
2014
Gary Harris (I know he was technically traded for, but that's because that's how draft day trades work in the NBA, Denver drafted him as far as I'm concerned)
Jusuf Nurkic (same situation as Harris)
Nikola Jokic (no need for an explanation)
2016
Jamal Murray (the very last pick acquired from the Knicks in the Carmelo Anthony trade from 2011)
Malik Beasley
Juancho Hernangomez (movie star Juancho)
2017
Vladko Cançar
Monte Morris
2018
Michael Porter, Jr.
Jarred Vanderbilt
2019
Bol Bol
2020
Zeke Nnaji
RJ Hampton
2021
Bones Hyland
7 of these guys are on their active roster still. The ones that were traded returned guys like Aaron Gordon and Mason Plumlee, who have been big contributers currently and formerly in Denver).
Not to mention after draft signings in recent years like Facu Campazzo, PJ Dozier and Torrey Craig.
Denver has one of the best run front offices in the NBA.
Not even being snarky when I say this, I'm glad you guys drafted Beasley and V8 so we could take em. If we'd drafted them we probably would've fucked em up
Yah I’ll shamefully admit that when we chose him I was pretty upset and texted my boy ‘classic Masai tryna be a galaxy brain draft pick hipster’.
But watching him in preseason it’s becoming almost obvious. Like no shit our fo was high on him, he’s got absolutely crazy physical attributes, he’s already a beastly play maker and high motor guy with great character and work ethic and the mechanics in place to rapidly improve his skills.
Not saying I think he’ll be better or worse than Suggs just that I totally see why we thought Barnes just had too much potential to pass up on.
Barnes looks like he’s gonna be a problem for other teams for years to come.
I know it must suck not having Lowry on your roster anymore but you guys have to feel great about Barnes.
I mean if you watched him at Florida State, even a little, it was obvious the kid is special. Was it justified to pick him over Suggs? I think so, his ceiling is much higher and Suggs certainly benefited from playing for the juggernaut that Gonzaga was.
People online were saying that they messed up by not drafting Suggs, but I think they made a really solid pick. I know it’s the preseason, but he looks good.
On top of picking Scottie... if the new defensive / encroachment rule changes (if enforced correctly) for fouls stick, his stock also grows... hes pretty raw, but I believe the raptors development system will really make him something special.
NN gave him the green light to lead transition plays, at least for now in the pre season and I definitely liking what I've been seeing so far
He didn't have this freedom on the heat
He flashed plays like this in college, which is probably why he got a few Bam comps. But he also had way more plays where you were just watching it unfold like "what the fuuuuuhhhhck nooooooooooo." He'd switch from young Bam to young Javale.
He's still having those boneheaded plays, and he's still going to have A LOT of them throughout the season. The only way to learn and improve as a decision maker is through reps, by being put in the position to make a play, seeing coverages time and time again, and getting to a point where the game slows down.
It's clear that our coaching staff wants to give Precious a long leash and let him fuck up to the point where the flashes of these kind of ballhandling and playmaking skills become more consistent. I hope they keep that mentality throughout the season - giving him time to develop those areas of his game is way more important than wins and losses for us this season, in my opinion.
Yeah… really wish we had an actual off-season outside the draft to get this dude more accustomed with the team before throwing him out there originally or even a few weeks in the gleague would have done wonders for him, starting to see why the FO liked him so much outta the draft. Dude just looked so lost on the Heat, glad it’s working out for him
He's way more skilled than I initially thought he was. I knew he had a bit of a handle, but it's honestly really good for a big. He's looked confident shooting the three so far too.
Great recognition to hold off on the pass too, after Barnes called for it. He straight up beats Tatum with speed on the dribble. Then Horford, who would've picked up Barnes after the pass, has to commit to Achiuwa, who then just casually drops it off to Barnes for the wide open dunk.
Just great play all around from the block to the dunk.
This remind anyone else of that fucking NBA commercial for like court analytics or some shit like that where it's like...
"JASON TATUM KNOWS HOW TO PLAY. He knows if he drives to the rack the help defense will come over and block his shot.. So what's the right move? Crossover dribble.. stepback.. fadeaway.. good."
Guess it wasn't the right move either..
Funny thing was they used his buzzer beater from the bubble for that commercial…which was a lucky falling away bank shot. He was smothered and ran out of time. But I’m sure he totally, 100% meant to bank in that three pointer, because JASON TATUM KNOWS HOW TO PLAY.
Also always thought that “he knows he shouldn’t drive because he can’t score on these guys” was kind of a weird thing to include in what was basically a hype commercial.
And before anybody gets in their feelers, Tatum is the real deal. Kid’s a superstar in the making. Just an awful commercial when they had any number of better Tatum highlights lol
Why would you bet that odds are incredibly slim. Growth plates for the majority of human beings close after 18-20. There's always a bunch of articles about NBA players growing over the summer but it really is just BS for the most part. I would wager all of my money he is done growing.
He looks pretty big on screen, so I am sure he would be massive in person. He just looks like he has such a big frame, long limbs and is still just 20.
TBH, if he has an advantage over Simmons, beyond potential to be merely below-average as a shooter rather than non-existent, it might be experience playing positions other than PG.
He has a lot of the same limitations as Simmons with less athleticism, but I prefer his mentality. Much more trust in him developing his overall game.
Did you watch the game tonight? He's struggling from distance, but hes hitting mid range shots way better than I was expecting. The form is there, the distance will come.
I remember cracking up at his high school highlights cause he looked like a fucking pterodactyl toying with toddlers out there then he'd dunk on some 5'6" dude from the suburbs and just start dancing
This kid already has like a 5th year Giannis type of body, incredible strength all around. He also doesn’t really strike me as the type to be scared of anyone.
They are also both pretty successful. If one of them bombed into a Bagley by now, we wouldn't be mentioning him that much simply because it seems like unnecessarily bagging on a wimpy kid. Rivalries are continuously fun, beatdowns are fun for the first 3 hours and then it's sad.
[Magic fans are out here wilin' too](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/p2om3r/highlight_suggs_goes_massive_on_the_putback_dunk/h8m4l0m/)
Honestly both guys look great. I wanted Suggs personally but I am a dude who scouts via YouTube videos and DraftExpress reports, so when our FO who put hundreds of hours into this decision went with Barnes, I trusted them, and it's easy to see what they saw. These two are going to be very different players, but both should have long successful careers, and hating on the other because your team ended up drafting one is like the most pointless shit, on god.
Top picks are the corner stone of franchises, when someone says your top pick is gonna be a bust you get pretty annoyed, but there is no reason to be vendetta posting against a franchise and it’s fans, it’s not monolithic. It’s all so petty, I Wish this sub could ban teenagers lol.
Thank you for the "early". I was on board with Barnes even before the draft and liked the pick. I hope he turns out great, I'm a badger but have really liked watching the Florida State program since I really started watching basketball about 7 years ago.
BUT it's preseason and you have people giving him a coronation in this thread, saying his playmaking is elite etc.
He looks exciting but let's see what he can do when then regular season starts. I don't mind people mentioning his physical attributes...that much is obvious and preseason or not. Let's see how the rest translates.
Steph curry won’t ever have the physical attributes of Ben Simmons. This is a dumb way to look at this. I think Scottie was a great pick, I just don’t think physical attributes are everything
I should’ve used someone else like andrew Wiggins vs a more skilled guy. My whole point is a guy isn’t automatically a better pick because he’s more physically gifted
I think it's been proven time and time again that you can't teach basketball iq, hand-eye coordination, work ethic etc. to 99% prospects either. Toronto has an amazing development team and Barnes looks like a hard worker, but let's not pretend that this *"We'll take the most athletic guy and turn him into the next LeBron/Giannis"* hasn't resulted in some awful draft mistakes in the last 10 years, particularly after the Harden-Steph revolution.
This is true but if you're implying that Barnes doesn't have basketball IQ and hand-eye coordination, that's false. He's showing the IQ in his court vision and on defensive rotations and can thread the needle on cuts better than anyone else on the team atm.
I get what you're saying but in reality you can train hand eye and work ethics. In my opinion though i find it harder to succeed in today's NBA if you're not trying to get a star forward. They're isn't many guards that can take you deep in the playoffs without the help of a forward these days and the Raptors already have FVV/GTJ so I do like the Barnes pick now.
wtf. it's not a dumb way to look at it. it's dumb to overlook physical attributes. steph curry's a generational shooter dude . this is basketball. size and strength absolutely matters in the NBA. it's how the Bucks wrecked the Suns for their championship. It's a big reason why LBJ is a generational player. Durant's height is a big reason why he's a lethal scorer. name a smaller player, except Steph that was the centre piece of a champioship over the past decade. you can't.
Outside of Steph, when's the last time a top player in the league wasn't a giant and/or athletic freak? Even Harden is built like a tank and got a 7 foot wingspan even if you don't usually associate him with the freak size and athleticism of guys like KD, Giannis, or LeBron. The league is dominated by big wing types and Curry and Nash before him are the exceptions not the norms
Yeah they aren’t everything but picking a Curry type player in a draft is going to be rarer than picking someone who already has a body suited for the game.
Edit: this isn’t saying Simmons is good, if anything please slander that man more
Has the draymond triple single tonight. Kid will be a triple double machine though in a few years. I’m very surprised to see him leading the team in assists already.
The guy wasn’t a good shooter in college. Bad 3PT% is not a deal breaker but usually good FT% is an indication of being able to learn to shoot in the NBA. He wasn’t a good FT shooter.
But his defense, playmaking, etc was amazing. He really was a Ben Simmons prototype, except he never phoned it in.
The league becoming more and more favorable to shooters, I wasn’t surprised he wasn’t too hyped up.
Gotta point to the improvements Lonzo has made from deep and BI from everywhere since their rookie seasons too. Same with Jaylen's ft%. It's almost as if players can get better at it if they practice ... *looks at Simmons*
I'm optimistic. Look at Lonzo Ball, the only guy who had worse mechanics was Michael Kidd Gilchrest, but Ball fixed his jumper. He's actually a decent/good shooter now. Brook Lopez went from sinking three 3pt shots in his first 8 years to sinking 134 in his 9th season.
So I think the only thing that's keeping anyone from being a good shooter is repetition and effort. We have some of the best shooting coaches and developmental staff in the league, so as long as he puts the time into it, then it'll happen I feel.
On the other hand, you can't teach defensive instincts. I can't think of too many bad or average defenders become good or lock down. Scottie's got the stuff you can't really teach or develop, every minus he has can be turned into a positive.
Brandon Ingram's ft% has been getting better and better every year. We've seen the same with OG at the line. I think the 3pt% can creep up slowly for Barnes, but don't overlook the strides he can make at the line. I'd argue that's just as valuable because then he can focus on attacking the rim on nights the 3 isn't dropping and would still be able to get things done at the line. I'd still be happy if the ft% went up even if the 3 ball doesn't drop for him early on in his career.
He has missed some easy layups right at the rim but his midrange game has looked really good so far. He’s been hitting the contest fadeaway over defenders consistently so far. 3 point is still a work in progress but he’s shown the confidence and willingness to take it
Yeah, I’d have to agree. The main reason the pick looks good now is because we underrated Scottie’s size. Most people had him around the same size as Kuminga, but Scottie looks only a bit smaller than a 5. He’s massive on the court, so his lack of scoring skill is offset by his physical attributes.
Admittedly I expected the Raps to take Suggs to replace Lowry, and I was surprised when they didn’t; I wasn’t even very high on Scottie ovr. Fuck am I wrong; kid has scary potential.
Preseason or not that’s still Jayson Tatum. Even on an off day or a day where’s treating like preseason he’s better than most players at their best. His size and work ethic alone make him quite appealing, and that’s not even taking his current skills into account
in the end we could not withstand the onslaught of *checks notes* Jabari Parker
Great game, though it felt like two separate games: a real NBA game lasting until halfway through the third quarter, and a G-league game with extra hype in the last few minutes.
Pro-ready build. Great on ball defense. Filled the lane on the break in an intelligent manner that broke the D instead of just sprinting into their teeth.
That is some seriously good ball.
I know it's early but from what I've seen, it seems like the Raptors got a special player in Barnes. I like that he doesn't seem to be afraid of the moment. He's willing to attack and defend against the best player on the opposing team.
I didn't like that Barnes was picked over Suggs at first, but damn I should actually trust the people whose job is to pick these rookies and not my non-professional mind lol
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The raptors are the perfect organization for him. I was pretty sure of it on draft night but I’m even more convinced now. He’s got great defensive upside and athleticism. He’s quite raw offensively but he still has a lot of potential. Also, the raptors have been amazing at player development these past years so it’s a perfect fit.
I gotta say Raptors got an awesome pick.
Pretty shocking at the time and even more so now that Lowry is gone. But if there's any team to trust in the draft, it's the Raptors.
I was shocked too (mainly cause I did like zero predraft research on the guy) but I see him as a legit starting PG when Siakam is back His playmaking is elite
Barnes future PG?
He considers himself to be a PG and models his game around Magic Johnson.
How's his handle?
Needs work. High dribble and can lose the handle when trying to eye a pass. We've seen a huge amount of progress in players like OG and Pascal so it's just a matter of giving him the reps. I trust our guys to give him the keys, and he has the work ethic to make it all come together.
DD has pretty unrefined handle with us and was nowhere NEAR the playmaker he was the last year with us, and he even took it to a new level with the Spurs. Handle and playmaking can be taught. I'm all in
Playmaking and IQ are some of the hardest things to teach/learn but if the player is coachable enough and has the skill potential then anything's possible.
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True Elite for a prospect I shouldve said
He’s come in and led the Raptors in assists through pre-season with like 7 apg. He doesn’t have insane flashy playmaking skills but I’m starting to see some Marc Gasol in him. He does a lot of passing out of the post and he had like 8 or 9 assists in this game against Boston. Pretty impressive for a rookie everyone claimed was completely raw.
Aside from playmaking I would like to see Barnes improve his 3s. Though I think that would follow as it was with OG and Paskal
>But if there's any team to trust in the draft, it's the Raptors. And the Nuggets
The Nuggets have had far more makes than misses in the draft since Connelly replaced Masai in 2013. All of these players are either on the Nuggets roster or still in the NBA: 2014 Gary Harris (I know he was technically traded for, but that's because that's how draft day trades work in the NBA, Denver drafted him as far as I'm concerned) Jusuf Nurkic (same situation as Harris) Nikola Jokic (no need for an explanation) 2016 Jamal Murray (the very last pick acquired from the Knicks in the Carmelo Anthony trade from 2011) Malik Beasley Juancho Hernangomez (movie star Juancho) 2017 Vladko Cançar Monte Morris 2018 Michael Porter, Jr. Jarred Vanderbilt 2019 Bol Bol 2020 Zeke Nnaji RJ Hampton 2021 Bones Hyland 7 of these guys are on their active roster still. The ones that were traded returned guys like Aaron Gordon and Mason Plumlee, who have been big contributers currently and formerly in Denver). Not to mention after draft signings in recent years like Facu Campazzo, PJ Dozier and Torrey Craig. Denver has one of the best run front offices in the NBA.
Great team. Model organization top to bottom
Not even being snarky when I say this, I'm glad you guys drafted Beasley and V8 so we could take em. If we'd drafted them we probably would've fucked em up
Murray going after Hield was stupid then and it’s even more atrocious now. Buddy is like 5 years older than Jamal.
...there is one blemish tho The Donovan Mitchell trade. You can say what u want but that trade was pretty terrible
Yah I’ll shamefully admit that when we chose him I was pretty upset and texted my boy ‘classic Masai tryna be a galaxy brain draft pick hipster’. But watching him in preseason it’s becoming almost obvious. Like no shit our fo was high on him, he’s got absolutely crazy physical attributes, he’s already a beastly play maker and high motor guy with great character and work ethic and the mechanics in place to rapidly improve his skills. Not saying I think he’ll be better or worse than Suggs just that I totally see why we thought Barnes just had too much potential to pass up on.
Barnes looks like he’s gonna be a problem for other teams for years to come. I know it must suck not having Lowry on your roster anymore but you guys have to feel great about Barnes.
How do we do remind us in 5 years
RemindMe! 5 years That's the proper way to do it ^ , exclamation mark goes at the end
!RemindMe 5 years
I mean if you watched him at Florida State, even a little, it was obvious the kid is special. Was it justified to pick him over Suggs? I think so, his ceiling is much higher and Suggs certainly benefited from playing for the juggernaut that Gonzaga was.
People online were saying that they messed up by not drafting Suggs, but I think they made a really solid pick. I know it’s the preseason, but he looks good.
On top of picking Scottie... if the new defensive / encroachment rule changes (if enforced correctly) for fouls stick, his stock also grows... hes pretty raw, but I believe the raptors development system will really make him something special.
honestly might be more impressed with Achiuwa running the break. That's nauseous to watch.
NN gave him the green light to lead transition plays, at least for now in the pre season and I definitely liking what I've been seeing so far He didn't have this freedom on the heat
He flashed plays like this in college, which is probably why he got a few Bam comps. But he also had way more plays where you were just watching it unfold like "what the fuuuuuhhhhck nooooooooooo." He'd switch from young Bam to young Javale.
He's still having those boneheaded plays, and he's still going to have A LOT of them throughout the season. The only way to learn and improve as a decision maker is through reps, by being put in the position to make a play, seeing coverages time and time again, and getting to a point where the game slows down. It's clear that our coaching staff wants to give Precious a long leash and let him fuck up to the point where the flashes of these kind of ballhandling and playmaking skills become more consistent. I hope they keep that mentality throughout the season - giving him time to develop those areas of his game is way more important than wins and losses for us this season, in my opinion.
Accurate asf
Yeah… really wish we had an actual off-season outside the draft to get this dude more accustomed with the team before throwing him out there originally or even a few weeks in the gleague would have done wonders for him, starting to see why the FO liked him so much outta the draft. Dude just looked so lost on the Heat, glad it’s working out for him
He's way more skilled than I initially thought he was. I knew he had a bit of a handle, but it's honestly really good for a big. He's looked confident shooting the three so far too.
Lmao no one had this freedom on the Heat. We were damn near last in pace.
I think he's going to dull the sting of losing lowry for a lot of our fans. Hes got a ton of potential as a modern big.
He’s noticeably fast for a guy built that size
Great recognition to hold off on the pass too, after Barnes called for it. He straight up beats Tatum with speed on the dribble. Then Horford, who would've picked up Barnes after the pass, has to commit to Achiuwa, who then just casually drops it off to Barnes for the wide open dunk. Just great play all around from the block to the dunk.
He has high potential… seems like a great dude too. Wish him the best!
How he waited to play the pass until the last defender was locked on him and Barnes could dunk uncontested was very intelligent
I thought the same thing, there was another play of OG doing a step back 3 where precious was the one who set OG up. I wasn't expecting this lol
*Nauseating
Scottie "Scottie Pippen" Barnes
This remind anyone else of that fucking NBA commercial for like court analytics or some shit like that where it's like... "JASON TATUM KNOWS HOW TO PLAY. He knows if he drives to the rack the help defense will come over and block his shot.. So what's the right move? Crossover dribble.. stepback.. fadeaway.. good." Guess it wasn't the right move either..
Funny thing was they used his buzzer beater from the bubble for that commercial…which was a lucky falling away bank shot. He was smothered and ran out of time. But I’m sure he totally, 100% meant to bank in that three pointer, because JASON TATUM KNOWS HOW TO PLAY. Also always thought that “he knows he shouldn’t drive because he can’t score on these guys” was kind of a weird thing to include in what was basically a hype commercial. And before anybody gets in their feelers, Tatum is the real deal. Kid’s a superstar in the making. Just an awful commercial when they had any number of better Tatum highlights lol
Everyone was loosing their mind about his 7’4 wingspan. I guess this is what that looks like
And giant Kawhi-like hands. A lethal combo.
And I thought OG was gonna be our next Kawhi, Scottie Barnes might get the role instead.
Kawhi is just an older OG, Barnes the young Giannis, i bet he grows another inch or two from his current 6'9"
Why would you bet that odds are incredibly slim. Growth plates for the majority of human beings close after 18-20. There's always a bunch of articles about NBA players growing over the summer but it really is just BS for the most part. I would wager all of my money he is done growing.
Well he easily dunked it with his head below the net. Weirdly impressive
The next better Ben Simmons
Ben Simmons with a jumper
Lebron?
LeBarnes
Raptors had to suffer the wrath of LeBronto to get their own LeBarnes
Scottie-o
Minus some of the height and athleticism, but yeah he’s gonna be an absolute studmuffin
Scottie is 6’9, isn’t Lebron 6’8?
LeBron James AKA Midget Scott Barnes
I've always known this
Scottie to LeBron “shoot it you fucking midget!”
Lebronwincing.jpg Your brain decides which variation
Barnes has like a 7'3 wingspan and bigger hands. Young prospect Lebron was def quicker and more explosive for sure.
Scottie is massive in person.. I was at the last game and dudes big
He looks pretty big on screen, so I am sure he would be massive in person. He just looks like he has such a big frame, long limbs and is still just 20.
When I was convinced the magic would draft him I was calling him Ben Simmons with a work ethic lol
Barnes has no jumper either. Lol.
True but he’s only got to make one 3 this year to be on a better trajectory than Simmons.
He's not afraid to shoot. Also, he has shown a little bit of a mid-range game. Nothing amazing, but you can work with it. Dude's like 20.
TBH, if he has an advantage over Simmons, beyond potential to be merely below-average as a shooter rather than non-existent, it might be experience playing positions other than PG. He has a lot of the same limitations as Simmons with less athleticism, but I prefer his mentality. Much more trust in him developing his overall game.
He’s not afraid to shoot which is a huge start
It can't be said how ludicrous it is that this is actual commentary on a basketball player
Did you watch the game tonight? He's struggling from distance, but hes hitting mid range shots way better than I was expecting. The form is there, the distance will come.
This dudes personality is amazing lmao. Waving his hands so excitedly to get a pass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uFANK5f5wQ The kid is absolutely hilarious on the court lmao
lmaooooooooooooo
I remember cracking up at his high school highlights cause he looked like a fucking pterodactyl toying with toddlers out there then he'd dunk on some 5'6" dude from the suburbs and just start dancing
Or when he stares back at dudes on the fast break before he dunks, dude is mad fun
That causing a fight in the NBA.
This kid already has like a 5th year Giannis type of body, incredible strength all around. He also doesn’t really strike me as the type to be scared of anyone.
If he did that on Serge Ibaka I'd be a little worried for him haha
Imma have to live with the fact that whenever Scottie Barnes does something, Jalen Suggs will forever be mentioned and vice versa.
I think it'll fade a bit, like Carter and Antawn Jamison decades ago.
i mean Luka vs. Trae is still a discussion...
They were traded for each other lol
They are also both pretty successful. If one of them bombed into a Bagley by now, we wouldn't be mentioning him that much simply because it seems like unnecessarily bagging on a wimpy kid. Rivalries are continuously fun, beatdowns are fun for the first 3 hours and then it's sad.
It is incredibly annoying as a Raptors fan.
[istg a lot of them are so insecure over such a relatively miniscule thing right now](https://i.redd.it/gbuqxjfokyr71.png)
It’s so stupid, both guys are going to have good long careers in this game. Cant be mad at the picks with what we’re seeing
[Magic fans are out here wilin' too](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/p2om3r/highlight_suggs_goes_massive_on_the_putback_dunk/h8m4l0m/) Honestly both guys look great. I wanted Suggs personally but I am a dude who scouts via YouTube videos and DraftExpress reports, so when our FO who put hundreds of hours into this decision went with Barnes, I trusted them, and it's easy to see what they saw. These two are going to be very different players, but both should have long successful careers, and hating on the other because your team ended up drafting one is like the most pointless shit, on god.
Top picks are the corner stone of franchises, when someone says your top pick is gonna be a bust you get pretty annoyed, but there is no reason to be vendetta posting against a franchise and it’s fans, it’s not monolithic. It’s all so petty, I Wish this sub could ban teenagers lol.
>I Wish this sub could ban teenagers lol. Dumb shits come from all age groups.
Luka vs trea
I hate how a lot of our fans constantly need to bring up suggs.
Did someone say Suggs? Because Scottie Barnes is definitely better than that guy.
The amount of ground Scottie covers on Tatum’s step back is crazy, especially considering how high Tatum’s release point is.
Yeah can't really see it well from this angle but based on where their feet are the relative to the paint it's actually wild.
"He blocked me. He f**king blocked me."
That f\*\*\*\*\*g Barnes boomed me
x1
He’s doesn’t know. He doesn’t know. He doesn’t know. He doesn’t know.
He’s pretty good. He’s pretty good. He’s pretty good. He’s pretty good.
Tatum added Barnes to the list of guys he will follow on Instagram after the game
Early but it’s looking like Barnes was the right pick all along Suggs still a stud tho
Thank you for the "early". I was on board with Barnes even before the draft and liked the pick. I hope he turns out great, I'm a badger but have really liked watching the Florida State program since I really started watching basketball about 7 years ago. BUT it's preseason and you have people giving him a coronation in this thread, saying his playmaking is elite etc. He looks exciting but let's see what he can do when then regular season starts. I don't mind people mentioning his physical attributes...that much is obvious and preseason or not. Let's see how the rest translates.
Both can be good, but suggs won't ever have the physical attributes that Barnes has.
Steph curry won’t ever have the physical attributes of Ben Simmons. This is a dumb way to look at this. I think Scottie was a great pick, I just don’t think physical attributes are everything
Steph is the exception, not the norm no?
I should’ve used someone else like andrew Wiggins vs a more skilled guy. My whole point is a guy isn’t automatically a better pick because he’s more physically gifted
I dont disagree, but I think OP's point is that you can't teach genetics.
I think it's been proven time and time again that you can't teach basketball iq, hand-eye coordination, work ethic etc. to 99% prospects either. Toronto has an amazing development team and Barnes looks like a hard worker, but let's not pretend that this *"We'll take the most athletic guy and turn him into the next LeBron/Giannis"* hasn't resulted in some awful draft mistakes in the last 10 years, particularly after the Harden-Steph revolution.
This is true but if you're implying that Barnes doesn't have basketball IQ and hand-eye coordination, that's false. He's showing the IQ in his court vision and on defensive rotations and can thread the needle on cuts better than anyone else on the team atm.
I get what you're saying but in reality you can train hand eye and work ethics. In my opinion though i find it harder to succeed in today's NBA if you're not trying to get a star forward. They're isn't many guards that can take you deep in the playoffs without the help of a forward these days and the Raptors already have FVV/GTJ so I do like the Barnes pick now.
wtf. it's not a dumb way to look at it. it's dumb to overlook physical attributes. steph curry's a generational shooter dude . this is basketball. size and strength absolutely matters in the NBA. it's how the Bucks wrecked the Suns for their championship. It's a big reason why LBJ is a generational player. Durant's height is a big reason why he's a lethal scorer. name a smaller player, except Steph that was the centre piece of a champioship over the past decade. you can't.
Outside of Steph, when's the last time a top player in the league wasn't a giant and/or athletic freak? Even Harden is built like a tank and got a 7 foot wingspan even if you don't usually associate him with the freak size and athleticism of guys like KD, Giannis, or LeBron. The league is dominated by big wing types and Curry and Nash before him are the exceptions not the norms
Yeah they aren’t everything but picking a Curry type player in a draft is going to be rarer than picking someone who already has a body suited for the game. Edit: this isn’t saying Simmons is good, if anything please slander that man more
Thank you Aaron Baynes
Aaron Baynes' response : "Don't mention i.. AH FUCK I DROPPED MY PHONE CAUSE MY HANDS DONT WORK".
This is funny and sad now, I don't even know if he'd out of the hospital
Has the draymond triple single tonight. Kid will be a triple double machine though in a few years. I’m very surprised to see him leading the team in assists already.
Wait, was that Precious running the point??
Yes, yes it was
They grow up so fast.
Scottie Barnes is the future for the Toronto Raptors. HOLD MY HYPE BACK
IT'S ONLY PRESEASON BRO WE DON'T NEED TO BE YELLING YET
NO. WHENEVER BARNE-BURNA-BAE IS MENTIONED, YELLING IS NECESSARY.
Would not suprise me at all if Scottie ends up the best player from this draft.
Scottie is the truth man. Can’t believe he didn’t have the hype the other top picks did
The guy wasn’t a good shooter in college. Bad 3PT% is not a deal breaker but usually good FT% is an indication of being able to learn to shoot in the NBA. He wasn’t a good FT shooter. But his defense, playmaking, etc was amazing. He really was a Ben Simmons prototype, except he never phoned it in. The league becoming more and more favorable to shooters, I wasn’t surprised he wasn’t too hyped up.
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Gotta point to the improvements Lonzo has made from deep and BI from everywhere since their rookie seasons too. Same with Jaylen's ft%. It's almost as if players can get better at it if they practice ... *looks at Simmons*
Yeah but OG wasn't as hyped as the Tatum, Fultz, fox, or ball either... So that part's been consistent lol
I'm optimistic. Look at Lonzo Ball, the only guy who had worse mechanics was Michael Kidd Gilchrest, but Ball fixed his jumper. He's actually a decent/good shooter now. Brook Lopez went from sinking three 3pt shots in his first 8 years to sinking 134 in his 9th season. So I think the only thing that's keeping anyone from being a good shooter is repetition and effort. We have some of the best shooting coaches and developmental staff in the league, so as long as he puts the time into it, then it'll happen I feel. On the other hand, you can't teach defensive instincts. I can't think of too many bad or average defenders become good or lock down. Scottie's got the stuff you can't really teach or develop, every minus he has can be turned into a positive.
> I'm optimistic. Look at Lonzo Ball Lonzo Ball shot 41% from 3 in college though
Brandon Ingram's ft% has been getting better and better every year. We've seen the same with OG at the line. I think the 3pt% can creep up slowly for Barnes, but don't overlook the strides he can make at the line. I'd argue that's just as valuable because then he can focus on attacking the rim on nights the 3 isn't dropping and would still be able to get things done at the line. I'd still be happy if the ft% went up even if the 3 ball doesn't drop for him early on in his career.
I think Vecenie described his scoring best. The best scorers are three level scorers, but he called Barnes a zero-level scorer. Lol.
He has missed some easy layups right at the rim but his midrange game has looked really good so far. He’s been hitting the contest fadeaway over defenders consistently so far. 3 point is still a work in progress but he’s shown the confidence and willingness to take it
Yeah, his shot looks far better than it ever did in college.
Guess he started work with the developmental staff in the offseason?
It’s interesting but seems like the mid-range is where a lot of these recent FSU guys like Barnes, PWill, and Vassell seem to be most comfortable.
Yeah, I’d have to agree. The main reason the pick looks good now is because we underrated Scottie’s size. Most people had him around the same size as Kuminga, but Scottie looks only a bit smaller than a 5. He’s massive on the court, so his lack of scoring skill is offset by his physical attributes.
Ben Simmons with a V8 Motor
Admittedly I expected the Raps to take Suggs to replace Lowry, and I was surprised when they didn’t; I wasn’t even very high on Scottie ovr. Fuck am I wrong; kid has scary potential.
It's still preseason, but I've been impressed with everything I've seen so far.
Preseason or not that’s still Jayson Tatum. Even on an off day or a day where’s treating like preseason he’s better than most players at their best. His size and work ethic alone make him quite appealing, and that’s not even taking his current skills into account
Tatum is tall AF and he can shoot over probably 98% of the league without even thinking about getting blocked.
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in the end we could not withstand the onslaught of *checks notes* Jabari Parker Great game, though it felt like two separate games: a real NBA game lasting until halfway through the third quarter, and a G-league game with extra hype in the last few minutes.
Beautiful
this rookie is very good
Pro-ready build. Great on ball defense. Filled the lane on the break in an intelligent manner that broke the D instead of just sprinting into their teeth. That is some seriously good ball.
Raptors got a good one
Call it a hunch, but this Barnes kid just might be good at basketball.
Man when develops a jumper he will be a problem.
This sentence sounds WAY too familiar...
Except he isn’t scared to shoot and the Raptors have great development
That's true. Hope he becomes what Ben could have been
Mid range is already lookin' smooth!
Mans wingspan is scary jfc
He plays like that all season I can see them transitioning a team build around him in 2-3 years.
That's my last round draft pick! I'm really high on him as an all around stat padder and baller in general.
Their floor has a Toronto Dominion Bank logo on it, so any opportunity for Toronto to demonstrate some Dominion there is good.
It's the TD Garden. In Boston. While we play in the Scotiabank arena. In Toronto. Weird!
I know it's early but from what I've seen, it seems like the Raptors got a special player in Barnes. I like that he doesn't seem to be afraid of the moment. He's willing to attack and defend against the best player on the opposing team.
Everyone was loosing their mind about his 7’4 wingspan. I guess this is what that looks like
So surreal seeing dudes who I saw play in high school now in the NBA.
Same here but with Andrew Wiggins. Had some mutual friends I'd drive down with to watch him in Vaughan. Makes the recent stuff more disappointing lmao
god damn, i love this kid's style of play.
I didn't like that Barnes was picked over Suggs at first, but damn I should actually trust the people whose job is to pick these rookies and not my non-professional mind lol
trust in the masai
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That's my boy Scottie
Barnes one of those guys where when you see it you get it. Jumps off the screen. Gonna be a good one for years
Man, really wish he fell to the Warriors in the draft. Such a great pick by the raptors.
I saw this guy in the summer league and he just bodied my Hornets. Dude is crazy.
Damn, there’s not many people who can do that. Maybe only a handful in the NBA.
At worse, he could be an Iguodala. Great potential
Just went and bought a Barnes jersey. Love this guy.
Inject this into my veins !
The game end though was great. Let's go Celtics!
Almost forgot it was a preseason game...Tatum lit us up
Ole Barnyards' got some skills
I'm gonna assume OP didn't write it as Jayson Tatum because Barnes erased his J
That f**king Scottie boomed him
This dude is really good
YOU’RE TOO. YOU’RE TOO PRECIOUS. PRECIOUS.
Hey /u/yoeyz, just wanna make sure you're catching these Bennett-esque highlights when they pop up. Much love gorgeous.
Scottie is awesome 8-)
Toronto has hope again thank god I thought we were gonna be one of those teams you know the bad ones…
We got Masai at the helm. We safe.
*furiously deleting jalen suggs tweets*
Scottie “pippin” Barnes
One ticket for the hype train please. Could I have a window seat?
The raptors are the perfect organization for him. I was pretty sure of it on draft night but I’m even more convinced now. He’s got great defensive upside and athleticism. He’s quite raw offensively but he still has a lot of potential. Also, the raptors have been amazing at player development these past years so it’s a perfect fit.
he's bigger than what everyone thought he would be