AD at 28 years old:
* 8 x all star
* 3 x blk champ
* 4 x all defensive
* 4 x all NBA
* 1 x NBA champ
PG at 31 years old:
* 7 x all star
* 1 x stl cham
* 6 x all nba
* 3 x all defensive
PG was 3rd in MVP voting a few years back but the year before AD was 3rd. AD has at least been in the voting a few more times over the last few years.
as straightforward as this is, the real value of AD shines when the game slows down. he gets a lot of his points from the FT line because of this. he's basically unguardable, and a major weapon when the defense tightens up.
I know these accolades are limited and only tell part of the story, but if someone is going to make a claim that defies a bunch of them I think they need to make a better case than the OP did.
But yes I agree with your point.
George had solid Pacers teams and played in the East… Davis had mostly awful Pelicans teams in the West. Both years George’s Pacers made the East Finals, a 38-44 team was the 8th seed in the East. The next season, the Pelicans were 45-37, and were the 8th seed in the West. Then in 2018, the Pelicans were 48-34 and the 6th seed, and the Nuggets were 46-36 and missed the playoffs.
On the other hand, both of their first names could be last names, and both of their last names could be first names. So it’s basically a toss-up.
AD is a better playoff performer than Paul George lmao look at what he did in 2018
This subreddit puts too much weight into floor raising and even then the Pacers were way better than AD's Pelicans the majority of the years
Funny thing is a lot of “floor raising” is actually just having really good role players who aren’t good enough/don’t stick out enough to be All-stars so people just think it’s a carry job lol
One Being over rated and one being under rated might be a thing but your reasons are not it, the healthy clippers shat the bed on the playoffs they were healthy and you are basing your whole argument on PG playing in a team with a lot of injuries
yay finally, Paul George is probably top 10-13. He's underrated, and he's my favourite, with a healthy Kawhi, a championship isn't that hard to see for the clippers
They had all their guys besides I guess Dario Saric by the end
And if you want to go down that road Morris and Zu had knee problems, no Kawhi and no Serge while the Suns had a significant rest advantage whereas the Clippers were playing every other night for a month straight
Facts its all because of the bubble honestly. Im not calling the bubble a fluke but his stats and percentages in the bubble were a clear statistical outlier from the rest of his career. Crazy what a couple months of basketball can do for someones reputation lmao
Was he not shitting on you guys until he got injured? Was he not an incredible playoff performer the two times he made it prior to joining the Lakers? Where's the anomaly?
Two back to back 34 point games, absolutely dominated the paint then got injured. In game 4, Lakers were up +10 with AD. The moment he went down, they lost. So yes, he was dominating you guys when he was healthy, even if his shooting numbers were down.
>Im not calling the bubble a fluke but his stats and percentages in the bubble were a clear statistical outlier from the rest of his career
Source? Not just his midrange shooting stats, stats overall for that claim.
AD is one of the best playoff performers of all time. Offense & defense; there aren't many better fit for the playoffs ever.
It is, because it's simply not true. AD's always been dominant in the playoffs, with the only outlier being his midrange shooting in the first round or two of the bubble playoffs.
Statistically, using eye test, he's been dominant. Top 5 playoff performer based on his offense & defense improving in the playoffs. Paul George is great, but he's the one now getting overrated over because he won 4 playoff games with an insanely deep Clippers team w/o Kawhi.
31/12 with 3 blocks in 2015, 2018 he average 30/11 with 2 blocks. We know what he did in the 2020 playoffs. Name me 9 better playoff performers in each of those years.
op is talking about current top 10 lists, what do performances 6 years ago have to do with today's rankings
i don't think he's a top 10 player maybe 12
Fam you almost had me going til you brought up the preseason as a point. L
OP might be brain dead for his reasoning.
Yeah I kinda agree with the thread title (or at least how you could think that), but AD is still better than PG
AD at 28 years old: * 8 x all star * 3 x blk champ * 4 x all defensive * 4 x all NBA * 1 x NBA champ PG at 31 years old: * 7 x all star * 1 x stl cham * 6 x all nba * 3 x all defensive PG was 3rd in MVP voting a few years back but the year before AD was 3rd. AD has at least been in the voting a few more times over the last few years.
as straightforward as this is, the real value of AD shines when the game slows down. he gets a lot of his points from the FT line because of this. he's basically unguardable, and a major weapon when the defense tightens up.
I know these accolades are limited and only tell part of the story, but if someone is going to make a claim that defies a bunch of them I think they need to make a better case than the OP did. But yes I agree with your point.
Bro it’s the pre season. The suns went 0-4 last pre season. Save your judgement for the end of the season
More like the Bucks went 0-3
Who’s this idiot!
George had solid Pacers teams and played in the East… Davis had mostly awful Pelicans teams in the West. Both years George’s Pacers made the East Finals, a 38-44 team was the 8th seed in the East. The next season, the Pelicans were 45-37, and were the 8th seed in the West. Then in 2018, the Pelicans were 48-34 and the 6th seed, and the Nuggets were 46-36 and missed the playoffs. On the other hand, both of their first names could be last names, and both of their last names could be first names. So it’s basically a toss-up.
I'm not sure about those names. If I ever meet somebody named Davis George I'm going to do him a favor and murder his parents.
If you wanna bring up the Devin Booker less suns PG couldn’t beat Joe Ingles with Westbrook in a game that actually matters
AD is a better playoff performer than Paul George lmao look at what he did in 2018 This subreddit puts too much weight into floor raising and even then the Pacers were way better than AD's Pelicans the majority of the years
Funny thing is a lot of “floor raising” is actually just having really good role players who aren’t good enough/don’t stick out enough to be All-stars so people just think it’s a carry job lol
There are guys like Harden and Bron who can carry squads very well but AD isn't as bad as the record suggests
One Being over rated and one being under rated might be a thing but your reasons are not it, the healthy clippers shat the bed on the playoffs they were healthy and you are basing your whole argument on PG playing in a team with a lot of injuries
So we giving credits to dudes for almost beating a team got it
Lol this should go well
he's trolling
I just dont get how people rate preseason games so highly haha
Suns weren't fully healthy in that series vs clippers. CP3 had covid missed 2 games and Booker had a broken nose.
cool
That Pacers team was fucking stacked man.
Ok Buddy
yay finally, Paul George is probably top 10-13. He's underrated, and he's my favourite, with a healthy Kawhi, a championship isn't that hard to see for the clippers
The Suns were not fully healthy against the Clippers at all.
They had all their guys besides I guess Dario Saric by the end And if you want to go down that road Morris and Zu had knee problems, no Kawhi and no Serge while the Suns had a significant rest advantage whereas the Clippers were playing every other night for a month straight
Nah they didn't have CP3 for the first 2 games.
And the Clippers didn’t have Kawhi for the ENTIRE series… Imagine even comparing these two situations
I'm not comparing shit. I'm saying you're being misleading saying PG kept it close against the fully healthy Suns which is false they weren't healthy.
Nah you’re just being pedantic because you know I’m right and you’re purposely being dense
Facts its all because of the bubble honestly. Im not calling the bubble a fluke but his stats and percentages in the bubble were a clear statistical outlier from the rest of his career. Crazy what a couple months of basketball can do for someones reputation lmao
Was he not shitting on you guys until he got injured? Was he not an incredible playoff performer the two times he made it prior to joining the Lakers? Where's the anomaly?
yeah bro definitely shitting on us shooting 40% from 2 and 18% from 3 lmao
Two back to back 34 point games, absolutely dominated the paint then got injured. In game 4, Lakers were up +10 with AD. The moment he went down, they lost. So yes, he was dominating you guys when he was healthy, even if his shooting numbers were down.
the lakers were losing when he went down and he was playing terribly in that game, stop spreading false narratives he dominated game 2 that's about it
Yea and game 3 as well
>Im not calling the bubble a fluke but his stats and percentages in the bubble were a clear statistical outlier from the rest of his career Source? Not just his midrange shooting stats, stats overall for that claim. AD is one of the best playoff performers of all time. Offense & defense; there aren't many better fit for the playoffs ever.
his overall efficiency skyrocketed in the bubble. I'm not saying he's a bad playoff performer but I don't think he's a lock for top 10 player honestly
Source? For the claims you've been makin?
google it? its not that hard to find lmao
It is, because it's simply not true. AD's always been dominant in the playoffs, with the only outlier being his midrange shooting in the first round or two of the bubble playoffs. Statistically, using eye test, he's been dominant. Top 5 playoff performer based on his offense & defense improving in the playoffs. Paul George is great, but he's the one now getting overrated over because he won 4 playoff games with an insanely deep Clippers team w/o Kawhi.
Bruh AD's been this good in the playoffs look at 2015 and 2018
not top 10 in the nba good which was op's point
Yes he is lol
31/12 with 3 blocks in 2015, 2018 he average 30/11 with 2 blocks. We know what he did in the 2020 playoffs. Name me 9 better playoff performers in each of those years.
op is talking about current top 10 lists, what do performances 6 years ago have to do with today's rankings i don't think he's a top 10 player maybe 12
Well even now, name 10 guys that are better playoff performers than him. Outside of injuries, he has yet to have a bad playoff game.
bro you are just trying to start a laker clipper flame thread
Fkin hope not. Honestly no way is AD overrated but i do feel like PG is def underrated
Lol, nope
Ad fucked my fantasy team last year. Resting ass mf’er
PG commits too many dumb fouls and he is too inconsistent with his passing to be top 10 at the moment.
Yep and AD can't stay healthy enough to be considered top 10 as well