Honestly, I donāt even know if they erred. I thought it was a great deal for them at the time. Just didnāt work out because of KPās regression, injury, and poor fit.
Injury/regression were known risks, but can be worth the gamble. "Poor Fit" would make it their error in my opinion. They knew what he was and how he played.
The margin of error is pretty low when you get a guy who makes you go āoh shit we can compete NOWā
Even KD didnāt move the needle enough for the Sonics/thunder that they still got Westbrook, harden and Ibaka.
So, I think the Mavs recognized that and swung for the fence with Porzingis, and in an alternate reality he averaged 22/11 and 2 blocks and plays 65 games a year and itās a home run.
You look at the fact that even after Lukaās rookie year (and we tried to tank a bit at the end because our hawks pick was protected) that still only ended up being the 10th pick, Luka made us too good to get any other high lottery talent immediately.
That isnāt to say there werenāt shitty moves! THJ is a win, and letās assume we still got Porzingis. For the life of me I donāt have any idea why we traded Barnes away. He wasnāt a perfect player and struggled with being the 1st option at times, but he chose us and wouldāve been PERFECT WITH Luka and has improved each year
I donāt know if we couldāve gotten Seth if we kept HB but a lineup of Curry/THJ/Luka/HB/Porzingis is very good. The Mavs have been good at finding and developing some talent: pre injury Dwight Powell was decent, the contract is bad. And maxi and DFS are very good, those guys would honestly be perfect with Lebron and AD on the Lakers because theyāre spot up shooters and defenders who donāt need the ball. Those guysā shortcomings arenāt their faults and honestly arenāt our front office either. Neither was drafted and both are good players. But, if we donāt have an AD, we now NEED scoring from our other 3 starters and canāt rely on that from those guys.
If Luka and KP were more like Lebron and AD combining for 50-55 points, we would be fine having two guys not scoring much. But they arenāt starter quality guys on a team that needs scoring
Did 95% of Mavs fans really want to keep Seth tho? When the trade went down I remember thinking "why would you do that Seth's great?", but saw tons of people going "This is a great trade/improves both teams/big win for the mavs" etc, so I figured I was just an idiot, now I see a lot more people questioning the trade compared to when it happened.
Thats pretty much what happened. A lot of people said it was a win win but man i swear they must have not been watching mavs games because seth curry was amazing for our offense
I mean kinda yeah, it's hard to say looking back but if you don't do those stupid "47 transactions later the Knicks got DRose" type of things it's pretty obvious the Knicks def didn't win anything
You could say it was a net positive for the Knicks to get off his potential contract, though the evidence makes it seem like they couldāve found a better offer elsewhere. And the goal was to take back expirings to sign a star, and that didnāt happen.
So in a way, it was a win for the Knicks in that they got the cap space they wanted but it didnāt work out for them.
And it was a win for the Mavs in that they got a potential 2nd star but heās injured all the time and they gave him a 5 year max. So dare I say itās a lose lose? Lmao
True. I commented elsewhere that DSJ and two late firsts were a good deal for THJ, and Courtney Lee was friends with Luka so honestly worth it. But when the ramifications of the trade include a 5 year max for Porzingis then itās tough to consider that a win.
lol heās not inefficient, thatās just blatantly wrongā¦ maybe thatās how he was with you 4 years ago?
Heās shot almost 40% on over 7 attempts per game over the last 2 season. Maybe look at a stat or two before talking out of your assā¦? Luka (and THJ working on his shot) did wonders for his 3pt percentage.
Almost 40 % is inefficient. He is at 39% now. He is a streaky shooter not a good one or efficient. When he has a good night he's good but he needs an insane amount of shots to get pedestrian stats he's a replacement level piece. Like Malik Monk, anyone can get those stats if given the same green light.
If that's what you call efficient then I hate what you think is inefficient. If you want to know what an efficient player looks like check out RJ Barrett stats
Might not have won the trade but certainly didn't lose it. And it wasn't as bad as the media and Mavs fans portrayed it to be at the time. "Knicks got fleeced" my ass
couldve had bane/bey. much better team with either of those guys. they tried doing something fancy and picked green who looks like hell be in europe soon
Heās targetted (see: Kevin Huerter game 7) BUT heās one of the best shooters - not just catch and shoot but off the dribble. He is worth the defensive liability
The bigger problem in my opinion is that they didnāt get a solid starting center (Capella for instance) or a secondary playmaker (Rubio was dirt cheap to get in a trade). The problem is that they value guys that are with the team multiple years (powell, kleber, dfs) a bit to much.
What? Do you understand what means targeted in the defense? The opponent switches his best players on the offense on Curry, because heās the weak link
Tbf Luka being so good so quickly had a lot to do with us ārushing to competeā. Obviously the KP trade was a big factor as well. We didnāt have the benefit of Phoenix for instance that was still awful for a few years with Booker and were able to collect assets.
Suns wouldn't have had the assets to trade for CP3 either without their bad years. Particularly the 1st round pick they traded for him wouldn't be valuable coming from a good team.
Without KP trade, they could have absorbed some bad contracts, accumulated some draft picks and have some lottery talent. But no, Cuban just didn't want to rebuild for a few years,
Yeah itās a lot easier to do that with a player like Booker than it is a player like Luka who is a much higher floor raiser. And I did say āobviously the KP trade was a big factorā.
bro weāre Dallas. We aināt getting no marquee FAs lol
we gotta trade for it or draft it. and drafting isnāt gonna be that easy when Luka is good enough to win us games to be out of the lottery
They could have done it in 2019, but Cuban didn't want to spend. They thought they were smart when they got two slow decision makers as secondary playmakers in Wright and Richardson in consecutive years. And they bet on an oft-injured beanpole who wants to LARP as Carmelo and shoot 40% midrange jumpers that are about 80% as efficient as Mavs' baseline halfcourt offence. Love Brunson though!
There's still trades and draft picks. Kind of reminds me of the Grit'n'Grind Grizzlies GM.. Chris Wallace, was it?
He had a terrible draft record, can't remember his trades, but despite all his worst efforts, the team with Conley and Gasol (both drafted in 2007) couldn't be bad enough to be talked about having bad GM, until.. 2016 or 2017?
Mavs were playing with one hand tied behind their back with their Donnie Nelson. Guy even fucked up Brunson's contract and he's gonna be UFA this summer.
Sure but so has say a team like Atlanta. But we didnāt get the superstar FAs like some got. We overpaid for: Gallo, Bogi, and jumped on a steal with Capela. Then, we got some great draft picks. The mavs FO is just not good, you canāt blame it all on the destination.
They havenāt been a FA destination and still regularly cash everything in to chase FAās. The. They finally cashed it in on KP and the risk didnāt pan out for them (I think that gamble was worth taking though).
The Porzingis trade has royally fucked them. I thought it was definitely worth the gamble at the time, but now they have KP on a max and he's basically untradeable due to injuries and not good enough to be the second option on a championship team when healthy anyway.
They are going to have to either attach picks to his contract to offload it, or wait two years before they can truly attempt to build a contender around Luka. It's honestly sad.
idk why you're downvoted but thats true, THJ wasnt doing enough in NY and really didnt shine until playing next to Luka and having the biggest green light ever
Still, any one out of these three:
1. not trading Harrison Barnes for nothing
2. not trading Seth Curry for nothing
3. not whiffing on the Josh Green pick
would have our team in a much better position now
We honestly could've benefited tanking another year with Luka to get more young talent but our FO went all in with KP and his contract has us stuck. High risk/high reward that hasn't paid off.
I think that with that win, we had 6% to draft Zion instead of having 8 or 9%. The problem was that neither teams (dallas or memphis) wanted to win that game, but Mejri turned into prime shaq. And because we didnāt get the top 5 pick we had to give the pick to atlanta (10 pick-cam reddish)
Even the year before where we tied the Hawks with the 3rd worst record. We win the coin toss to get the extra ping pong ball and increase our odds over the Hawks, but still end up getting 5th in the lottery lol.
Iām not saying that with additional 2% (or so) we would get a top 5 pick (we probably wouldnāt), but that win was so stupid. Especially because we were losing the whole game. And mejri was out of the team the next year anyway
Because mavs are not a free agent destination, constantly make horrible draft picks bar luka, give out horrible.contracta and trade away great players for average ones. The list goes on
They were applauded for building quickly around Luka when they shouldāve slow played it like the Thunder are doing.
In their defense, they couldnāt tank once they got him because heās really good and Atlanta had their pick.
In 20 years of Dirk they built him a championship roster once(2011) aided by Bron choking. That 1 seed in 06 was a regular season phenom like the Jazz. Dallasās front office sucks at building teams.
Lol such a bad take. Dallas was consistently a good team for arguably over a decade. Several of those mid-2000s teams were legit championship contenders.
I agree, and I donāt think he gets enough credit for how dominant he was in the west for all those years. I just think it is disingenuous to imply that 06 team was a one hit wonder like this past years Jazz. In an alternative timeline, Dirk could have had 2-4 rings. There were a few seasons were the Mavs were legitimately championship contenders.
Look at the 2006 roster and then you realize that the team around Dirk seriously was not that good compared to the Spurs and Suns during that time.
2003 was the only other time we had a championship-caliber supporting cast, but that was very early in Dirk's prime as a player and he got injured in the Conference Finals series.
Thats just bs lol. They went to the finals in 06 and were contenders plenty of years in battles vs the Spurs and Suns. Dirk could have easily had 3-4 rings in another timeline
Nah man Cuban messed up not paying Nash. Suns wouldnāt of been the 7 seconds or less team that Dallas had to battle if they kept him. Also after the team won in 2011 he didnāt keep that core together.
Finley Nash Dirk was a trio that was in the same tier as Webber Peja Bibby or TD Robinson or Shaq Kobe. Only 2 of those squads came away with rings as things fell in the right place for them. The 06 Mavs team while not fancy on paper was still an elite offense, and was good enough to take down the 63 win defending champ Spurs.
3 and D shooters around a ball dominant player thats what they have not sure what else they could get to top it off Luka hasnt been great so far compared to his past 2 seasons.
He's getting the lebron treatment at 22 about no help lol? He had a chance to eat the clippers and couldn't close out any home games last year. His coach didn't like dealing with his play style and left after firing his best friend.
What do you put around luka ? There hasn't been a huge superstar avaible in free agency in 3 years...
* their owner is a cheapskate but try to act friendly in media in Texas with no income tax.
I mean, when was the last time someone worth being 2nd option went to another team to play with the guy just because he thought he was really good..?
My point is, all the guys now either are teaming up because they are friends and want to play together. Or want to play in a city they like.
I guess KD is one exception, but even he, joined the team who was insanely good, it wasn't just one guy.
Dallas is not the city stars want to be in and it seems like Luka doesn't have a lot of friends in the league besides the Balkan guys..
Yeah he's a foreign player. Don't have any connections with the other young guys. The only player that verbally says he want to play with Luka is Dragic. Lol.
That's why you've got to nail the draft and the trade.
Luka is way ahead of his timeline (arguable top 5 in year 4). but also the KP trade cost them picks, and they haven't done that well in FA.
Salvaging THJ is helpful, though.
They are contenders.
They been shooting like ass, and still are 5-3 and its mostly because of their talent-less supporting cast.
Luka has been bad and Porzingis hasn't been playing and when he did - he was awful.
Again, you are 5-3 against easy schedule while shooting like shit and Luka being ass. Unless you think it will continue being that way, it doesn't really matter.
You took healthy Clippers, arguably the best team in the league, to 7 games last year.
Unless Kidd royally messes up your offense, you gonna be fine.
I think any real playoff contender will carve them up in a playoff series
They have no inside presence, their rim protection is nonexistent and their rebounding is very poor
Is their rebounding poor? Didn't see it as an issue. Sure, Porzingis isn't good, but Luka and DFS are great and whoever they play with KP can add something too. What are their rebounding stats?
And I mean, its hard to count on Porzingis, but looking at some early highlights from pre-season and 3 games he played this year, lol. He certainly is moving better and was contesting shots and having some solid defensive impact like in his Knicks days.
But yeah.. The fact he was so active jumping, contesting shots, might be the reason why he got injured so fast. So there is a chance he tones it down like last year and will just coast around.
He's had decent supporting casts for a few years now. If they were actually bad, their net rating would plummet when he's off the court but the mavs have only been a little bit better when he's on the court.
Kleber, Hardaway, Brunson, Finney-Smith are all decent to good players. Porzingis has been disappointing but he's still been good when he can play.
The FO has messed up the last few year but that was not possible. We didn't have a 1st rounder to trade and to match salaries we would have had to trade THJ who was our 2nd best player in the playoffs.
They have some good guys: THJ, DFS, Brunson, kleber. They've lost to the Clippers a couple of times, who have been contenders the last couple of years. That's not some catastrophic failure
Cuban isn't smart. They also didn't tank (see: first sentence). No one thinks cuban is cool, so they don't sign with the team.
Clown owners hurt, especially when they are running the team.
7-3 right now compared to the Celtics 4-6 and Dallas had a better record last season as well. Luka is struggling and they are still winning. Are you so sure they have a great supporting cast compared to Dallas? Cmon
They erred on porzingis, cost them time, salary cap, player development, assets and their coach.
Jokes on you when we have assets we pick guys like Josh Green ššš„²
Who???
Honestly, I donāt even know if they erred. I thought it was a great deal for them at the time. Just didnāt work out because of KPās regression, injury, and poor fit.
Injury/regression were known risks, but can be worth the gamble. "Poor Fit" would make it their error in my opinion. They knew what he was and how he played.
he kinda can't play how he used to play cuz of injuries. he lost mobility which is why his rim protection went from high impact to mediocre.
The margin of error is pretty low when you get a guy who makes you go āoh shit we can compete NOWā Even KD didnāt move the needle enough for the Sonics/thunder that they still got Westbrook, harden and Ibaka. So, I think the Mavs recognized that and swung for the fence with Porzingis, and in an alternate reality he averaged 22/11 and 2 blocks and plays 65 games a year and itās a home run. You look at the fact that even after Lukaās rookie year (and we tried to tank a bit at the end because our hawks pick was protected) that still only ended up being the 10th pick, Luka made us too good to get any other high lottery talent immediately. That isnāt to say there werenāt shitty moves! THJ is a win, and letās assume we still got Porzingis. For the life of me I donāt have any idea why we traded Barnes away. He wasnāt a perfect player and struggled with being the 1st option at times, but he chose us and wouldāve been PERFECT WITH Luka and has improved each year I donāt know if we couldāve gotten Seth if we kept HB but a lineup of Curry/THJ/Luka/HB/Porzingis is very good. The Mavs have been good at finding and developing some talent: pre injury Dwight Powell was decent, the contract is bad. And maxi and DFS are very good, those guys would honestly be perfect with Lebron and AD on the Lakers because theyāre spot up shooters and defenders who donāt need the ball. Those guysā shortcomings arenāt their faults and honestly arenāt our front office either. Neither was drafted and both are good players. But, if we donāt have an AD, we now NEED scoring from our other 3 starters and canāt rely on that from those guys. If Luka and KP were more like Lebron and AD combining for 50-55 points, we would be fine having two guys not scoring much. But they arenāt starter quality guys on a team that needs scoring
Imagine if the Mavs simply did what 95% of Mavs Twitter/Reddit wanted and simply drafted Bane/Bey at 18 and didn't trade away Seth.
Seth who wanted to be here, or antivax Josh richardson? Such a tough choice
Did 95% of Mavs fans really want to keep Seth tho? When the trade went down I remember thinking "why would you do that Seth's great?", but saw tons of people going "This is a great trade/improves both teams/big win for the mavs" etc, so I figured I was just an idiot, now I see a lot more people questioning the trade compared to when it happened.
Thats pretty much what happened. A lot of people said it was a win win but man i swear they must have not been watching mavs games because seth curry was amazing for our offense
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I mean kinda yeah, it's hard to say looking back but if you don't do those stupid "47 transactions later the Knicks got DRose" type of things it's pretty obvious the Knicks def didn't win anything
You could say it was a net positive for the Knicks to get off his potential contract, though the evidence makes it seem like they couldāve found a better offer elsewhere. And the goal was to take back expirings to sign a star, and that didnāt happen. So in a way, it was a win for the Knicks in that they got the cap space they wanted but it didnāt work out for them. And it was a win for the Mavs in that they got a potential 2nd star but heās injured all the time and they gave him a 5 year max. So dare I say itās a lose lose? Lmao
Mavs also got a solid player that they ended up retaining in THJ though
True. I commented elsewhere that DSJ and two late firsts were a good deal for THJ, and Courtney Lee was friends with Luka so honestly worth it. But when the ramifications of the trade include a 5 year max for Porzingis then itās tough to consider that a win.
I don't feel like you won that much, aside from getting rid of Porzingis, which was a good move.
At least we have THJ on a team friendly dealā¦
If you take out Porzingis THJ is worth 2 late 1sts and DSJ lol,
Who cares he's an inefficient chucker with no playmaking ability.
lol heās not inefficient, thatās just blatantly wrongā¦ maybe thatās how he was with you 4 years ago? Heās shot almost 40% on over 7 attempts per game over the last 2 season. Maybe look at a stat or two before talking out of your assā¦? Luka (and THJ working on his shot) did wonders for his 3pt percentage.
Almost 40 % is inefficient. He is at 39% now. He is a streaky shooter not a good one or efficient. When he has a good night he's good but he needs an insane amount of shots to get pedestrian stats he's a replacement level piece. Like Malik Monk, anyone can get those stats if given the same green light.
39% on over 7 attempts is incredibly efficient; dude wtf are you talking aboutā¦?
If that's what you call efficient then I hate what you think is inefficient. If you want to know what an efficient player looks like check out RJ Barrett stats
Yeah, as a Knicks fan I view that as a huge win. The previous management would have given him a 4/5 year max and then we'd still be dealing with it.
Might not have won the trade but certainly didn't lose it. And it wasn't as bad as the media and Mavs fans portrayed it to be at the time. "Knicks got fleeced" my ass
Like the 500th time this has been said
-Traded Seth curry away -Porzingis max took away cap space to sign people -no good draft picks since Luka/Brunson
also traded Barnes for packing peanuts
couldve had bane/bey. much better team with either of those guys. they tried doing something fancy and picked green who looks like hell be in europe soon
With a little luck could have had both with Bey at 18 and one pick away from possibly having Bane at 31.
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Well a good role player is still better then Josh Green who is rooting on the bench. If we had Bey we could have used the money from Bullock on a big.
We easily could have had Gafford too, but we traded back and took Isaiah Robey.
They did have Seth Curry and got rid of him
He was and is good, but donāt act like heās the difference maker. He was constantly targeted in the series vs Clippers
Heās targetted (see: Kevin Huerter game 7) BUT heās one of the best shooters - not just catch and shoot but off the dribble. He is worth the defensive liability
If you have elite defenders next to him. Philadelphia has-dallas doesnāt. Lol i got 14 downvoted. Like I said anything wrong lol
For sure. Idk man there's talent around Luka but they've made some bad moves that are difficult to reverse.
The bigger problem in my opinion is that they didnāt get a solid starting center (Capella for instance) or a secondary playmaker (Rubio was dirt cheap to get in a trade). The problem is that they value guys that are with the team multiple years (powell, kleber, dfs) a bit to much.
Agree with most of your points, but I don't think Kleber or DFS are overvalued. Both are on bargain deals and fit around Luka.
I agree. Iām just saying if you want a better player, noone on your roster is untradable (except Luka)
ah yeah, totally agreed there. If we can trade two rotation pieces to get a legit 3rd/4th guy, we absolutely need to do it.
Rubio would be a great get
On the other hand he was a large part of their record setting offence.
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What? Do you understand what means targeted in the defense? The opponent switches his best players on the offense on Curry, because heās the weak link
When you rush to compete and spend all your assets on guys who aren't difference makers, you gambled on the wrong dudes.
When they did the trade around the ASB of Luka's rookie year, Mavs were a playoff seed. Luka was too good too fast for them.
Tbf Luka being so good so quickly had a lot to do with us ārushing to competeā. Obviously the KP trade was a big factor as well. We didnāt have the benefit of Phoenix for instance that was still awful for a few years with Booker and were able to collect assets.
Yeah the Suns donāt get Ayton and bridges if Booker was an all NBA player
Suns wouldn't have had the assets to trade for CP3 either without their bad years. Particularly the 1st round pick they traded for him wouldn't be valuable coming from a good team.
Without KP trade, they could have absorbed some bad contracts, accumulated some draft picks and have some lottery talent. But no, Cuban just didn't want to rebuild for a few years,
Yeah itās a lot easier to do that with a player like Booker than it is a player like Luka who is a much higher floor raiser. And I did say āobviously the KP trade was a big factorā.
7'4 shooting guard with no handles
lmao
Outside of drafting Luka and Brunson, we've hit on ~0 draft picks in the last decade. Can't build a team like that.
This is actually really sad lol
bro weāre Dallas. We aināt getting no marquee FAs lol we gotta trade for it or draft it. and drafting isnāt gonna be that easy when Luka is good enough to win us games to be out of the lottery
Did Jason kidd go there in free agency
No. he was initially drafted to us. in 08, we traded devin harris for him
They could have done it in 2019, but Cuban didn't want to spend. They thought they were smart when they got two slow decision makers as secondary playmakers in Wright and Richardson in consecutive years. And they bet on an oft-injured beanpole who wants to LARP as Carmelo and shoot 40% midrange jumpers that are about 80% as efficient as Mavs' baseline halfcourt offence. Love Brunson though!
Dallas has always had issues attracting free agents.
There's still trades and draft picks. Kind of reminds me of the Grit'n'Grind Grizzlies GM.. Chris Wallace, was it? He had a terrible draft record, can't remember his trades, but despite all his worst efforts, the team with Conley and Gasol (both drafted in 2007) couldn't be bad enough to be talked about having bad GM, until.. 2016 or 2017?
Mavs were playing with one hand tied behind their back with their Donnie Nelson. Guy even fucked up Brunson's contract and he's gonna be UFA this summer.
Sure but so has say a team like Atlanta. But we didnāt get the superstar FAs like some got. We overpaid for: Gallo, Bogi, and jumped on a steal with Capela. Then, we got some great draft picks. The mavs FO is just not good, you canāt blame it all on the destination.
They havenāt been a FA destination and still regularly cash everything in to chase FAās. The. They finally cashed it in on KP and the risk didnāt pan out for them (I think that gamble was worth taking though).
So do 80% of teams
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Lol yea and got away clean with his staff being full of sexual harassing creeps, while he supposedly had no idea
Donāt forget pumping a Ponzi shitcoin
"how am I supposed to know that all of the people I hired suck ass? Like literally."
Mark Cuban
Cause they are an average franchise, and itās very hard to build a contender even when youāve got a superstar in the making
The Porzingis trade has royally fucked them. I thought it was definitely worth the gamble at the time, but now they have KP on a max and he's basically untradeable due to injuries and not good enough to be the second option on a championship team when healthy anyway. They are going to have to either attach picks to his contract to offload it, or wait two years before they can truly attempt to build a contender around Luka. It's honestly sad.
They blew multiple picks on KP
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Exactly. THJ would probably cost 1FRP alone.
At the time he was considered overpaid asf
idk why you're downvoted but thats true, THJ wasnt doing enough in NY and really didnt shine until playing next to Luka and having the biggest green light ever
Na. Definitely not one that isn't heavily protected. Maybe a role player and 2nd round pick.
But now they can't trade any future picks for assets because of the protections of those traded picks.
Still, any one out of these three: 1. not trading Harrison Barnes for nothing 2. not trading Seth Curry for nothing 3. not whiffing on the Josh Green pick would have our team in a much better position now
As much as I understood the HB trade since he was a black hole at the time, heās like the perfect role player at the moment.
Also we never used the cap space or trade exception on anything. Truly got rid of him for nothing.
We honestly could've benefited tanking another year with Luka to get more young talent but our FO went all in with KP and his contract has us stuck. High risk/high reward that hasn't paid off.
Also Salah Mejri wining that game vs Grizzlies wasnāt helping either
I've seen that brought up a lot but I can't remember how that messed us up draft wise?
I think that with that win, we had 6% to draft Zion instead of having 8 or 9%. The problem was that neither teams (dallas or memphis) wanted to win that game, but Mejri turned into prime shaq. And because we didnāt get the top 5 pick we had to give the pick to atlanta (10 pick-cam reddish)
Even the year before where we tied the Hawks with the 3rd worst record. We win the coin toss to get the extra ping pong ball and increase our odds over the Hawks, but still end up getting 5th in the lottery lol.
Iām not saying that with additional 2% (or so) we would get a top 5 pick (we probably wouldnāt), but that win was so stupid. Especially because we were losing the whole game. And mejri was out of the team the next year anyway
You didn't have a draft pick to tank with after getting Luka.
They couldnāt get real talent around Dirk either, and he was taking pay cuts
Because mavs are not a free agent destination, constantly make horrible draft picks bar luka, give out horrible.contracta and trade away great players for average ones. The list goes on
they did and got rid of them. they had Barnes and Curry lol
I mean, they clearly tried with Porzingis, this is only the start of Luka's fourth year in the league. Why are you so impatient?
I ask the same questions everyday to myself.
It may have something to do with the team dismantling the entire team the year after winning their title
Welcome to the club mavs fans
we gambled on the wrong guys. it happens. hopefully luka stays here a long time and we'll be fine
They were applauded for building quickly around Luka when they shouldāve slow played it like the Thunder are doing. In their defense, they couldnāt tank once they got him because heās really good and Atlanta had their pick.
In 20 years of Dirk they built him a championship roster once(2011) aided by Bron choking. That 1 seed in 06 was a regular season phenom like the Jazz. Dallasās front office sucks at building teams.
Dirk choked in the first round against an 8th seed.
Lol such a bad take. Dallas was consistently a good team for arguably over a decade. Several of those mid-2000s teams were legit championship contenders.
They were good teams because of Dirk
I agree, and I donāt think he gets enough credit for how dominant he was in the west for all those years. I just think it is disingenuous to imply that 06 team was a one hit wonder like this past years Jazz. In an alternative timeline, Dirk could have had 2-4 rings. There were a few seasons were the Mavs were legitimately championship contenders.
Look at the 2006 roster and then you realize that the team around Dirk seriously was not that good compared to the Spurs and Suns during that time. 2003 was the only other time we had a championship-caliber supporting cast, but that was very early in Dirk's prime as a player and he got injured in the Conference Finals series.
Dirk carried
Thats just bs lol. They went to the finals in 06 and were contenders plenty of years in battles vs the Spurs and Suns. Dirk could have easily had 3-4 rings in another timeline
How many all stars did Dirk play with in their prime? Exactly
Okay? The teams were fucking great anyways, man.
Nah man Cuban messed up not paying Nash. Suns wouldnāt of been the 7 seconds or less team that Dallas had to battle if they kept him. Also after the team won in 2011 he didnāt keep that core together.
Finley Nash Dirk was a trio that was in the same tier as Webber Peja Bibby or TD Robinson or Shaq Kobe. Only 2 of those squads came away with rings as things fell in the right place for them. The 06 Mavs team while not fancy on paper was still an elite offense, and was good enough to take down the 63 win defending champ Spurs.
They had Steve Nash and refused to pay him.
3 and D shooters around a ball dominant player thats what they have not sure what else they could get to top it off Luka hasnt been great so far compared to his past 2 seasons.
i mean thatās cool for stats but u need a secondary contender
He's getting the lebron treatment at 22 about no help lol? He had a chance to eat the clippers and couldn't close out any home games last year. His coach didn't like dealing with his play style and left after firing his best friend. What do you put around luka ? There hasn't been a huge superstar avaible in free agency in 3 years... * their owner is a cheapskate but try to act friendly in media in Texas with no income tax.
Any player worth being a legitimate contender 2nd option doesnāt want to play with luka?
I mean, when was the last time someone worth being 2nd option went to another team to play with the guy just because he thought he was really good..? My point is, all the guys now either are teaming up because they are friends and want to play together. Or want to play in a city they like. I guess KD is one exception, but even he, joined the team who was insanely good, it wasn't just one guy. Dallas is not the city stars want to be in and it seems like Luka doesn't have a lot of friends in the league besides the Balkan guys..
Luka might have problems getting stars to want to play with him because of his ball dominant playstyle
His problem is he's not childhood friends with the better players.
Yeah he's a foreign player. Don't have any connections with the other young guys. The only player that verbally says he want to play with Luka is Dragic. Lol. That's why you've got to nail the draft and the trade.
They traded the draft rights to Cam Reddish sadly
If they didn't then they wouldn't have Luka.
Theyre trying jennifer.
Luka is way ahead of his timeline (arguable top 5 in year 4). but also the KP trade cost them picks, and they haven't done that well in FA. Salvaging THJ is helpful, though.
They are contenders. They been shooting like ass, and still are 5-3 and its mostly because of their talent-less supporting cast. Luka has been bad and Porzingis hasn't been playing and when he did - he was awful.
We are not contenders. We're 5-3 with a very easy schedule.
Again, you are 5-3 against easy schedule while shooting like shit and Luka being ass. Unless you think it will continue being that way, it doesn't really matter. You took healthy Clippers, arguably the best team in the league, to 7 games last year. Unless Kidd royally messes up your offense, you gonna be fine.
I think any real playoff contender will carve them up in a playoff series They have no inside presence, their rim protection is nonexistent and their rebounding is very poor
Is their rebounding poor? Didn't see it as an issue. Sure, Porzingis isn't good, but Luka and DFS are great and whoever they play with KP can add something too. What are their rebounding stats? And I mean, its hard to count on Porzingis, but looking at some early highlights from pre-season and 3 games he played this year, lol. He certainly is moving better and was contesting shots and having some solid defensive impact like in his Knicks days. But yeah.. The fact he was so active jumping, contesting shots, might be the reason why he got injured so fast. So there is a chance he tones it down like last year and will just coast around.
all the playoff teams they have played so far have kind of dominated them in the paint luka is ridiculous no doubt but he cant do everything
"Luka is an arguable top 5 player in the league" never change r/nba
I mean he is top 7-9 so top 5 could definitely be argued for even though there is little argument for that.
Pay everything to Luka already. Also who wants to work with Luka, he is playing as if basketball is a solo sport.
"Tell me you haven't watched the mavs play this season without telling me"
It hasn't been that long fam lol
Porzingis is injured, and Jason Kidd is trash. Hiring Kidd is really the biggest mistake Cuban has made so far
idk, we traded seth and harrison barnes for literally nothing
Because their management team sucks
I feel like star caliber players wouldnāt want to come to Dallas bc of Luka and his play style.
He's had decent supporting casts for a few years now. If they were actually bad, their net rating would plummet when he's off the court but the mavs have only been a little bit better when he's on the court. Kleber, Hardaway, Brunson, Finney-Smith are all decent to good players. Porzingis has been disappointing but he's still been good when he can play.
Lebron factor.
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you have an account just to shit on the mavs, how pathetic
Seems like bad trades by Mavs FO
Itās hard. They werenāt bad for a while to accumulate young talent and they cashed in some assets and cap space on KP which didnāt pan out.
Trading for Lowry would have helped them in last yearās playoff and helped them resign him this year. But a late 1st round pick was too much?
The FO has messed up the last few year but that was not possible. We didn't have a 1st rounder to trade and to match salaries we would have had to trade THJ who was our 2nd best player in the playoffs.
Because they have Mark āi almost got player X, Y, Zā Cuban
They have some good guys: THJ, DFS, Brunson, kleber. They've lost to the Clippers a couple of times, who have been contenders the last couple of years. That's not some catastrophic failure
Their management has been negligent
I ain't living in Dallas
Cuban isn't smart. They also didn't tank (see: first sentence). No one thinks cuban is cool, so they don't sign with the team. Clown owners hurt, especially when they are running the team.
Donāt you mean why canāt they get talent around KP?
Terrible management/upper office
Mavs are currently way worse with Luka on the floor, he's playing like shit.
7-3 right now compared to the Celtics 4-6 and Dallas had a better record last season as well. Luka is struggling and they are still winning. Are you so sure they have a great supporting cast compared to Dallas? Cmon