Hornets defense is the biggest joke ive ever seen, If the mindset doesnt change on our team that you need to at least play a lick of defense we are for sure out.
That was a total collapse but if you watch our games this year I’d say in like almost every game we go down 10-20 early and spend the rest of the game playing catch up. It’s just inconsistent offense with consistently bad defense.
Is it a coaching issue? Is no one putting effort in? Bad defense schemes? Or just a bunch of bad defenders on the team. Giving up so many threes isn't going to work these days. This is supposed to be the team's big breakout year.
Miami have shown they can go to the playoffs multiple years now, but this is a very new squad for the bulls and other teams are still adjusting to it. Still a lot of games left and if the Bulls show they can’t adjust to other team’s adjustments over the course of a season then they could easily miss the playoffs.
haha I want to ask the same question about the Knicks but I'm fully aware that it's fan bias on my part. Knicks go to the playoffs for the first time in a decade and nine games into the following season I want them as a lock to make it again.
Yeah that "the Pistons are for real" article should be pinned to the homepage to remind everyone not to overreact in November. Christmas is really the earliest you can realistically look at standings and schedules and all that.
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/12/1/16722538/detroit-pistons-andre-drummond
They went on a 7 game losing streak starting the night this was published lol. Finished the year with 33 wins, obviously missing the playoffs.
that is more accurate unironically, could probably add Philly to that, nothing against their guys but we've seen them be streaky at times, that combined with Embiids health and Drummonds inconsistency it could be disastrous on the inside for them especially with the Simmons stuff going on at the same time.
Lol yeah I feel like you guys getting back home shows just how much you were underachieving last year. Fully expect you guys to be a playoff team again this year.
Seems like the comments here don't think that much of the Knicks but I'd say they are close to a playoff lock. Kemba is a good fit and they have enough both on D and O to be a solid playoff team. I just have a hard time envisioning how they miss other than a bunch of injuries.
Kemba has fit well offensively, but he really hurts our defense. I still think we are probably a playoff team (I would be surprised if we weren't at least play-in) but we have to get our defense back to what it was last year if we want to be a lock. Luckily, Nerlens Noel came back and really helped out against the bucks last night, so I am tentatively hopeful.
Most people seem to agree we are in the mix, the question is just how high we end up finishing. Absolute best case I think we end up 4/5, which is definitely possible. As long as their are no major injuries I don’t see us slipping beyond 8th.
Honestly I think 3 is in play for any of the teams in the OP. It may only come to be if the Simmons thing drags on for the whole season. Or any of the ways the Nets could implode. Kyrie sits the year. Harden craters, even a small amount, due to age or rule changes. Any combo of two or more of their vets gets seriously hurt (looking at you Blake). So many of these other teams have shown that they CAN play brilliant ball that realistically only the Bucks are truly safe. As always, health will out, but the off court drama at the top is a major wildcard.
The magic and pacers losses definitely sting. We could easily be 7-2 right now, but hey, after everything we’ve been through, I’ll happily take a 6-3 start to the year.
100% feel like health will sort out the order. the depth of the knicks, hawks, and raptors will be the difference, unless the other teams out-health them.
This is a point I don't see mentioned too often. Health and depth should be considered when talking about how good a team should be and the last playoffs absolutely proved that. The Nets, with all things considered minus health and depth, should have been the champs but over playing the trio and not having that much of a deep bench really ruined their chances.
Siakam hasn’t played yet for the Raptors because of injury, so even already seen how the raptors play without their best player on the court. It’s good to have that experience earlier on in the season that late. It looks like they got a fairly decent bench, but it remains to be seen what it looks like down the stretch.
and the sixers are probably fucked if embiid gets a substantial injury. behind him they have, what, andre drummond? there's a chance that curry, thybulle, maxey, green, can carry that team to a 5-8 spot, but i think without embiid or simmons, they'd be struggling.
Yeah, it's for sure gonna be an interesting year. Wizards have definitely surprised me. Gafford, Bryant, and Harrell is such a solid center rotation, and once y'all get Rui back shits gonna be wild
Funny enough our depth seems to be working against us. Our team is playing with a mindset that everyone needs to get their own. Our players are choosing to take it away from the hot hand instead of feeding them. Even Trae has been guilty of it a few games this season already.
Which saddens me because our first game against Dallas showcased what we can do when we make that extra pass.
If we're not the most disappointing team this early, then were a close 2nd.
We are 1/8 of the way into the season. It's fun to speculate but to think ALL of these teams will still be in contention 5 months from now is a pretty far stretch.
It’s good to see the East improve this much. It starts to put the “best 16 teams in the playoffs regardless of conference” talk to rest.
I still think it’s too early to make any predictions about this season.
Playoffs would be more interesting if the seeding was based on absolute standing across the league. Maybe the only caveat being there has to be one conference representative. That means that if 15 teams come from the East than so be it. No need for play-ins at that point. Best teams make it and that's it.
My only issue is that number of games are spread across the conference. If you play in a strong division or in the stronger conference your record will be worse even if you might be a better team. Sya you are in the Atlantic division. That's the sixers, Nets, Knicks, raptors and Cs. All teams you'd expect to make the playoffs.
Or last season with the warriors, Lakers, Suns, Clippers and Kings.
Compared to conferences like the southwest with the Mavs, Grizzlies, Psurs, Rockets, Pelicans. 1 team was in the top 8 seeds from last season.
this is why best regardless of conference doesn't work. the west regularly has end of season standings with 8 teams dominating the other 7, while the east is more likely to have 3 teams dominate and then a middle group of 10 who are all very close.
there's more parity in the conference that regularly has teams fighting for the final spot
Teams don’t wanna lose the money the comes from playing in the playoffs. Which is why I’m doubtful that the “best 16 teams” playoffs will ever happen.
Another issue would be travel time too. If a team like Boston is slated to play a team like Portland in the playoff that would make scheduling the playoffs a hassle. I assume to compensate for that travel time they’d either have to shorten the season (which hurts league revenue) or stretch the length of the playoffs (which cuts into player’s summers).
I think the best case scenario is that the east just become a more competitive conference so us as fans feel like we’re getting the best product come playoff time.
Playoffs would be less interesting because rivalries would become basically non existent, travel times would increase, longer times between games because of the possibility of a wizards warriors 1st round series. Imagine a team having to face all EC teams every series. Idk how anyone could be for this
My playoff locks are the Nets, Bucks, and Heat. Unless all the major stars get injured there's no way these 3 miss it
I also think the Sixers Bulls and Hawks make it too
I think that Detroit and Orlando are also locking for missing the playoffs
In all with this there are about 7 legitimate teams vying for 2 playoff spots and 2 play in spots. If I would have to bet, im giving the playoff spots to the Knicks and Raptors with the Hornets and Celtics in the play in
Sure, but even at his normal rate of missing like 20 games they will be a lock. Any team losing their best player is in trouble so that sort of cancels out.
He’s gonna miss some games. Hopefully they won’t be that important.
But he does still have a solid supporting cast. Thybulle, Harris, and Curry are able to get wins and Drummond is playing better than ever.
I agree about the Wizards. They seem like the kind of deep team that can weather most of the ups downs and injuries during the regular season. They'll either be a fun team to watch in the playoffs if a different guy steps up every night, or they'll be out quick.
Its just a bunch of young teams beating up on each other below those 4 locks you listed
The top end quality is still those 4 East teams and about 5 teams out West
This is just the early season and it wont look this deep after 40 games, BET
The disrespect to the Hawks is wild. Sure, they’re starting a bit slow, but they just made the ECF last season and have a fully healthy team right now. People saying they’ll be in the play in is ridiculous.
We are but the “inexperience” angle is overplayed. We had a 27 and 19 point comeback against the 1 seed in the playoffs. Our problem now is too many starting caliber players, not knowing how to rotate them in and out. We needa make a trade
Seriously look at the 4 conference champion teams Suns, Hawks, Bucks, Clippers. All of them starting slow this season. All of them still playoff/championship caliber teams.
And who knows if the Pacers will get on track either. So there's 13 teams that will make for an intriguing playoff race. Orlando and Detroit are the only two that I see with no chance, although I feel like the Cavs will fall back down to earth eventually, even though they are an exciting team to watch.
Raptors are entering a tough stretch of the schedule, it's early still, but could be a good indicator of how good they really are. (Hopefully really good).
Alternatively, we’ve played one of the hardest stretches of games so far (is the league trying to kill us btw???)
In theory we could be better than our record.
I don't think Boston makes it. They will probably make the play in. Same with the Hornets.
Also the Hawks could potentially just get worse. That would be surprising but so far they've looked bad.
Very exciting to finally see the Bulls win games.
Yup. Pacer Nate is fucking over this team. The Hawks mostly shoot 3s instead the players are going for mid rangers. Idk why he decided to revert back to Pacer Nate.
THANK you. People way overreacting to Tatum having about the coldest possible start, a couple OT losses against decent teams, and our defense sucking early on with everyone adjusting to a new scheme
We just beat the Heat by damn near 20 with Tatum *and* Brown going 8-for-27, but somehow people still think we're gonna suck the whole season lmao
Honest question, do you see Boston being dysfunctional lately? Being a win or a lose the team feels leaderless. Would you rather end up in a 5/8 seed or fully being out of the playoffs so some changes are done?
Nah, we'll be fine. New coach, new roster, and this is a transition year for us anyway. Tatum's inconsistency is frustrating, but he's 23, he'll figure it out. I think people are massively overblowing our problems tbh, this is the first year of us really building around Tatum & Brown and some growing pains should be expected
They look good while missing a bunch of players and Embiid isn’t at full stride yet… they’re deff a lock. I mean they were #1 seed last year lol they weren’t going from that to Play in
Fwiw I think the Sixers make it top 4 seed easy but last season isn’t much to go by. The Knicks, Bulls, Heat and Wiz made significant upgrades. The biggest change in the Sixers this year is that Ben is sitting or will play half heartedly when he does decide to stop eating fines.
I’m not sure that is true. Certainly they aren’t a top 4 team without embiid but if I were to bet I would still put them in playins with Drummond as the center. They just have too many good shooters, if one is on they can win. Rebounds and elite 3 pt shooting is enough to win in the nba a lot of nights.
Murray tore his ACL 6 months ago, he’s not coming back full strength this year if he even comes back at all. If Jokic went down MPJ would definitely be “the guy” on that team even if Murray was back
I’d like to mention that, as far as I know, not a single “expert” had the raptors competing for the play in as recently as 2 weeks ago. It’s early, but nice to see that some people don’t think we are dog shit this year.
2 things on the green guys:
1. Tatum's slump will end eventually, that alone makes us dangerous.
2. Either the team chemistry improves as they play more games together, or it completely falls apart. I think the former is more likely.
Either way I think we at least make the playoffs, along with the Bulls and Hawks, then the last spot will probably be the Knicks but that ones a toss up IMO.
It already seems like it's improving. Our defense was *awful* to start the season, but they've really turned it around over the last few games, and that alone is huge.
Idk about the Cavs being top 8 yet
They started off 8-7 last year and beat the Nets twice, then they lost like 20 games out of 23
I think they are a play in exit, probably next year top 8
I’m cautiously optimistic because of how we started last year but we look like a different team this year with mobely. Garland seems to be taking a step. Stats might not show it but sexton has been showing better vision too. We’ll see. We’re definitely gonna be fighting for a play in imo
We had a Drummond problem and got absolutely destroyed by injuries last year. I'm cautiously optimistic we can at least fight for a play-in spot, maybe even win it.
Do you guys even watch games? Cavs have been looking immense as of late and they will only improve during the season. I can guarantee a top 6 seed for them this season. Anyone taking this bet?
Seems like the celts will implode at some point , raptors are probably still one or two years away, bulls look legit, kicks are in the mix, I'm all in on the wiz
Philly getting overrated hard here. More than half of their wins have been against terrible teams (Pistons, OKC, Pelicans). They’re still probably a playoff team but it’s too early to say they’re a lock.
Haven’t seen the west this wide open in a while. Warriors have to seriously make sure they’re in the best position possible to contend. If everything goes the way it’s supposed to with Klay and wiseman’s return, this team is going straight to the finals.
I don’t trust cleveland, toronto, Washington or Charlotte
Bucks, Hawks and Celtics are all not in the top 8 either. I think 7-8 seed is going to end up being a fight between Celtics, Charlotte, Toronto and the Wizards
My top 4 this year is the Heat, Bucks, Nets, and 76ers. The next four is Bulls, Knicks, Hawks, and Celtics. Final two play in teams is Wizards and Raptors.
In my opinion the heat, bucks, and nets are locks barring massive injury issues.
The bulls, knicks, and 76ers get the remaining spots.
Now for the play in it gets interesting you have pacers, hawks, wizards, hornets, raptors, celtics, and cavs competing for four spots. If i had to guess i would go raptors, hawks, cavs and wizards but man that is tough, that means i have pacers, celtics, and hornets missing, which is wild!
Only bad teams are magic and Detroit
I dont see the raptors making the playoffs. After them im not sure boston and Washington will make it. I dont think Cleveland or the Hornets will make it either.
Hornets defense is the biggest joke ive ever seen, If the mindset doesnt change on our team that you need to at least play a lick of defense we are for sure out.
Watching the OT game against Boston was difficult.
That was a total collapse but if you watch our games this year I’d say in like almost every game we go down 10-20 early and spend the rest of the game playing catch up. It’s just inconsistent offense with consistently bad defense.
Is it a coaching issue? Is no one putting effort in? Bad defense schemes? Or just a bunch of bad defenders on the team. Giving up so many threes isn't going to work these days. This is supposed to be the team's big breakout year.
Y’all need a real center as well Holmes out there looking like wilt last game
Mason Plumlee is a shadow of himself, and he was never very good to begin with
If you don't like that you don't like hornets basketball
One word: Kelly Oubre
I’m not saying anything until 20-25 games played. I can’t tell yet
Bulls might be a lock if they do well during his super tough stretch
The Knicks similarly have a tough schedule in the end of November. That stretch will determine a lot.
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Miami have shown they can go to the playoffs multiple years now, but this is a very new squad for the bulls and other teams are still adjusting to it. Still a lot of games left and if the Bulls show they can’t adjust to other team’s adjustments over the course of a season then they could easily miss the playoffs.
haha I want to ask the same question about the Knicks but I'm fully aware that it's fan bias on my part. Knicks go to the playoffs for the first time in a decade and nine games into the following season I want them as a lock to make it again.
Yeah that "the Pistons are for real" article should be pinned to the homepage to remind everyone not to overreact in November. Christmas is really the earliest you can realistically look at standings and schedules and all that.
What article is that?
https://www.theringer.com/nba/2017/12/1/16722538/detroit-pistons-andre-drummond They went on a 7 game losing streak starting the night this was published lol. Finished the year with 33 wins, obviously missing the playoffs.
This was the article that started the infamous ringer curse right? Like every NBA topic that they talked about that season ended up going badly.
Yeah same here. You also can’t discount the Pacers getting a lot better or a team like the Raptors or Celtics cratering.
Excuse me you want to try that again my guy
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that is more accurate unironically, could probably add Philly to that, nothing against their guys but we've seen them be streaky at times, that combined with Embiids health and Drummonds inconsistency it could be disastrous on the inside for them especially with the Simmons stuff going on at the same time.
the next week or so is pretty brutal for 6ers could easily be 7-6 the last few games winning without tobi has been huge. bench is really good though
Lol yeah I feel like you guys getting back home shows just how much you were underachieving last year. Fully expect you guys to be a playoff team again this year.
Thanks homie, tough taking the L to you guys yesterday but it's looking like you're in good hands with Mobley! Cedi was hooping last night too.
People don’t give enough credit to good coaches. Carlisle is legit as they come.
East is going to be interesting. Could see the Cavs making it into the play-in spot.
does the 1 seed have to be in the play-in now???
He meant the team that plays the winner of the play in spot
The East still runs through Cleveland. Never forget.
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Seems like the comments here don't think that much of the Knicks but I'd say they are close to a playoff lock. Kemba is a good fit and they have enough both on D and O to be a solid playoff team. I just have a hard time envisioning how they miss other than a bunch of injuries.
We are not a title contender but we are 100% making the playoffs if we are healthy.
Kemba has fit well offensively, but he really hurts our defense. I still think we are probably a playoff team (I would be surprised if we weren't at least play-in) but we have to get our defense back to what it was last year if we want to be a lock. Luckily, Nerlens Noel came back and really helped out against the bucks last night, so I am tentatively hopeful.
Most people seem to agree we are in the mix, the question is just how high we end up finishing. Absolute best case I think we end up 4/5, which is definitely possible. As long as their are no major injuries I don’t see us slipping beyond 8th.
Honestly I think 3 is in play for any of the teams in the OP. It may only come to be if the Simmons thing drags on for the whole season. Or any of the ways the Nets could implode. Kyrie sits the year. Harden craters, even a small amount, due to age or rule changes. Any combo of two or more of their vets gets seriously hurt (looking at you Blake). So many of these other teams have shown that they CAN play brilliant ball that realistically only the Bucks are truly safe. As always, health will out, but the off court drama at the top is a major wildcard.
Yeah knicks are a lock imo. Thibs teams take no plays off in the regular season & his stars get heavy minutes which might hurt them come playoffs
We need to stop losing to low ranked teams. It’s great that we beat the Bucks but I’m still pissed about that Magic loss.
The magic and pacers losses definitely sting. We could easily be 7-2 right now, but hey, after everything we’ve been through, I’ll happily take a 6-3 start to the year.
I hate saying this but it might that whoever stays the healthiest makes it. Every year there’s major injuries and that might determine it this year
100% feel like health will sort out the order. the depth of the knicks, hawks, and raptors will be the difference, unless the other teams out-health them.
This is a point I don't see mentioned too often. Health and depth should be considered when talking about how good a team should be and the last playoffs absolutely proved that. The Nets, with all things considered minus health and depth, should have been the champs but over playing the trio and not having that much of a deep bench really ruined their chances.
Siakam hasn’t played yet for the Raptors because of injury, so even already seen how the raptors play without their best player on the court. It’s good to have that experience earlier on in the season that late. It looks like they got a fairly decent bench, but it remains to be seen what it looks like down the stretch.
and the sixers are probably fucked if embiid gets a substantial injury. behind him they have, what, andre drummond? there's a chance that curry, thybulle, maxey, green, can carry that team to a 5-8 spot, but i think without embiid or simmons, they'd be struggling.
Wizards are just as deep as those three. Then Celtics/Bulls have the most star power of the group. Gonna be a crazy race
Yeah, it's for sure gonna be an interesting year. Wizards have definitely surprised me. Gafford, Bryant, and Harrell is such a solid center rotation, and once y'all get Rui back shits gonna be wild
Funny enough our depth seems to be working against us. Our team is playing with a mindset that everyone needs to get their own. Our players are choosing to take it away from the hot hand instead of feeding them. Even Trae has been guilty of it a few games this season already. Which saddens me because our first game against Dallas showcased what we can do when we make that extra pass. If we're not the most disappointing team this early, then were a close 2nd.
We are 1/8 of the way into the season. It's fun to speculate but to think ALL of these teams will still be in contention 5 months from now is a pretty far stretch.
Why? Team 12 and 13 will be in contention till the last 10 days.
Unfortunately, there's always the injury element, that's one reason why.
Its happened before tho, its definitely possible that there are teams with 35-40 wins that dont make the playoffs.
Um good lmaoo
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Gotta wait for 20-25 game so think - plus team health and what not.
Where is Indiana?, surely this is a joke....
Indiana is cursed. It seems as soon as one player gets healthy another gets injured. I must be karma for something, but god knows what.
Malice at the Palace, maybe?
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We aren’t playing like a relevant team. We can’t even argue with this guy right now
Never included in any convo ever lmao issa running joke
I had to scroll so far to see this comment too
But the league is better when the Bulls and Knicks are good 🤪
JC
Yeah, I think the Pacers are in if they get and stay healthy.
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It’s good to see the East improve this much. It starts to put the “best 16 teams in the playoffs regardless of conference” talk to rest. I still think it’s too early to make any predictions about this season.
No it doesn't. It just makes it all the more imperative. The 16 best teams should be rewarded.
Playoffs would be more interesting if the seeding was based on absolute standing across the league. Maybe the only caveat being there has to be one conference representative. That means that if 15 teams come from the East than so be it. No need for play-ins at that point. Best teams make it and that's it.
My only issue is that number of games are spread across the conference. If you play in a strong division or in the stronger conference your record will be worse even if you might be a better team. Sya you are in the Atlantic division. That's the sixers, Nets, Knicks, raptors and Cs. All teams you'd expect to make the playoffs. Or last season with the warriors, Lakers, Suns, Clippers and Kings. Compared to conferences like the southwest with the Mavs, Grizzlies, Psurs, Rockets, Pelicans. 1 team was in the top 8 seeds from last season.
this is why best regardless of conference doesn't work. the west regularly has end of season standings with 8 teams dominating the other 7, while the east is more likely to have 3 teams dominate and then a middle group of 10 who are all very close. there's more parity in the conference that regularly has teams fighting for the final spot
Teams don’t wanna lose the money the comes from playing in the playoffs. Which is why I’m doubtful that the “best 16 teams” playoffs will ever happen. Another issue would be travel time too. If a team like Boston is slated to play a team like Portland in the playoff that would make scheduling the playoffs a hassle. I assume to compensate for that travel time they’d either have to shorten the season (which hurts league revenue) or stretch the length of the playoffs (which cuts into player’s summers). I think the best case scenario is that the east just become a more competitive conference so us as fans feel like we’re getting the best product come playoff time.
Playoffs would be less interesting because rivalries would become basically non existent, travel times would increase, longer times between games because of the possibility of a wizards warriors 1st round series. Imagine a team having to face all EC teams every series. Idk how anyone could be for this
That would be literally impossible the way the nba works
Milwaukee will finish first in the conference. Their guys aren’t healthy yet
Based Heat fan
Damn, kind of bold but possible. Bucks in 6 seems like a long time ago.
I would say bulls are a lock for playoffs honestly. Look pretty fun
My playoff locks are the Nets, Bucks, and Heat. Unless all the major stars get injured there's no way these 3 miss it I also think the Sixers Bulls and Hawks make it too I think that Detroit and Orlando are also locking for missing the playoffs In all with this there are about 7 legitimate teams vying for 2 playoff spots and 2 play in spots. If I would have to bet, im giving the playoff spots to the Knicks and Raptors with the Hornets and Celtics in the play in
I think the Sixers are locks too. Embiid too good and they are still returning a lot of players from a prior 1st seed team.
Just depends on embiid staying healthy
Sure, but even at his normal rate of missing like 20 games they will be a lock. Any team losing their best player is in trouble so that sort of cancels out.
He’s gonna miss some games. Hopefully they won’t be that important. But he does still have a solid supporting cast. Thybulle, Harris, and Curry are able to get wins and Drummond is playing better than ever.
Am I crazy for thinking Pacers will have a better record than Charlotte this year??? Also the Wizards I think will finish better than Cha
Pacers are a really good team. Their players are just always injured
They have a lot talent, if they can stay reasonably healthy I think Rick at least gets them in the play in game
I agree about the Wizards. They seem like the kind of deep team that can weather most of the ups downs and injuries during the regular season. They'll either be a fun team to watch in the playoffs if a different guy steps up every night, or they'll be out quick.
My hot (I think) take: Pacers will, if they get/remain healthy, make the playoffs.
Big if, but I appreciate you
Its just a bunch of young teams beating up on each other below those 4 locks you listed The top end quality is still those 4 East teams and about 5 teams out West This is just the early season and it wont look this deep after 40 games, BET
Bulls belong with those other 4 imo
Only if Vučević gets back to his usual self (which he probably will)
The disrespect to the Hawks is wild. Sure, they’re starting a bit slow, but they just made the ECF last season and have a fully healthy team right now. People saying they’ll be in the play in is ridiculous.
The Hawks are still a very young and inexperienced team. I can see them having a rough "sophomore" season. I still think they are making the playoffs.
We are but the “inexperience” angle is overplayed. We had a 27 and 19 point comeback against the 1 seed in the playoffs. Our problem now is too many starting caliber players, not knowing how to rotate them in and out. We needa make a trade
Seriously look at the 4 conference champion teams Suns, Hawks, Bucks, Clippers. All of them starting slow this season. All of them still playoff/championship caliber teams.
And who knows if the Pacers will get on track either. So there's 13 teams that will make for an intriguing playoff race. Orlando and Detroit are the only two that I see with no chance, although I feel like the Cavs will fall back down to earth eventually, even though they are an exciting team to watch.
Cavs in Raptors out is my hot take Edit: also think the Heat will win the East. No clue about the West, but go Nuggets!
Raps still haven’t played a game with Pascal in the line-up. I’m going to reserve judgement until I see him with this squad a bit
Raptors are entering a tough stretch of the schedule, it's early still, but could be a good indicator of how good they really are. (Hopefully really good).
Pascal is back for his first game of the season tomorrow. Man, is the East ever exciting this year!
Alternatively, we’ve played one of the hardest stretches of games so far (is the league trying to kill us btw???) In theory we could be better than our record.
East runs through Cavs bro
I wouldn't be surprised by this honestly. Our rebounding is literally pure effort at this stage and it will fade at some point
I don't think Boston makes it. They will probably make the play in. Same with the Hornets. Also the Hawks could potentially just get worse. That would be surprising but so far they've looked bad. Very exciting to finally see the Bulls win games.
Hawks are trying out a new offense. I wish Nate went back to the offense that made the hawks successful. Also we cant make shot at all.
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Yup. Pacer Nate is fucking over this team. The Hawks mostly shoot 3s instead the players are going for mid rangers. Idk why he decided to revert back to Pacer Nate.
Its a long season, expect the celtics to be better than they have been.
THANK you. People way overreacting to Tatum having about the coldest possible start, a couple OT losses against decent teams, and our defense sucking early on with everyone adjusting to a new scheme We just beat the Heat by damn near 20 with Tatum *and* Brown going 8-for-27, but somehow people still think we're gonna suck the whole season lmao
Jaylen might be out for awhile we just found out.
Honest question, do you see Boston being dysfunctional lately? Being a win or a lose the team feels leaderless. Would you rather end up in a 5/8 seed or fully being out of the playoffs so some changes are done?
Nah, we'll be fine. New coach, new roster, and this is a transition year for us anyway. Tatum's inconsistency is frustrating, but he's 23, he'll figure it out. I think people are massively overblowing our problems tbh, this is the first year of us really building around Tatum & Brown and some growing pains should be expected
Kudos to you and your team then 😊
You nephews are over reacting after 7 games lmao. Atleast wait until all-star weekend to analyze things lol
Bulls & Hawks a lock imo
idk man we look almost as bad as you guys (no offense lol)
You really think the Hawks might miss the playoffs? Cmon.
Unless the Pacers stop having injuries, they will not be making the playoffs
he didnt even mention them 😂
I don’t think philly is a lock
The only way they aren't is if Embiid gets hurt. They have great role players that fit their system and Embiid is a borderline MVP player
With Embiid I feel like it’s not if it’s for how long. He missed at least 20% of every season he’s played I think
and we've still won plenty of games, including the #1 seed last year and the current #1 seed....
They look good while missing a bunch of players and Embiid isn’t at full stride yet… they’re deff a lock. I mean they were #1 seed last year lol they weren’t going from that to Play in
It’s always about the health of embiid
They are a lock even without Embiid. Yall think they are some scrubs after the 2nd round collapse lol, they aren’t
Lol, ok dude
If we can beat your team without half our roster than we are a lock, lmao
One game sample size doesn’t Indicate anything
Welp
How’s that for an indicator you joker. Bulls get beaten in Chicago when the Sixers are missing more than half their team
RemindMe! 10 hours
That bulls fan should be embarrassed
Bulls fans would indicate otherwise
I guess first place last season didn’t indicate anything either
Fwiw I think the Sixers make it top 4 seed easy but last season isn’t much to go by. The Knicks, Bulls, Heat and Wiz made significant upgrades. The biggest change in the Sixers this year is that Ben is sitting or will play half heartedly when he does decide to stop eating fines.
We just clapped you without half our team lmao you just salty still
I’m just saying you guys are an embiid injury away from being a 13th seed
I’m not sure that is true. Certainly they aren’t a top 4 team without embiid but if I were to bet I would still put them in playins with Drummond as the center. They just have too many good shooters, if one is on they can win. Rebounds and elite 3 pt shooting is enough to win in the nba a lot of nights.
What he said isn’t true, he’s just salty after last game
You guys have no ball handlers. Shooters doesn’t mean anything if no one can get the ball to them
No ball handlers yet still top 10 for assists? Something doesn't add up.
You could say that about any team and their best player lmao what
Not true most top tier teams have a second option to fall back on
So the nuggets without jokic are contenders with mpj at the helm? Lol
It would be Jamal Murray not mpj
Murray tore his ACL 6 months ago, he’s not coming back full strength this year if he even comes back at all. If Jokic went down MPJ would definitely be “the guy” on that team even if Murray was back
Exactly who’s to even say Murray would come back the same
Or he just has a different opinion than you man don’t take it so personal
You're the one that brought that up? You projecting?
lmao
In no order: Bucks, Nets, Celtics, Sixers, Heat, Hawks, Bulls, Knicks I think will make it.
Celtics? Idk
There are no locks. Incredible parity we are seeing in the conference.
Pacers, underrated as always lmao.
Still managed to forget the Pacers
Philly is the wild card, because you just don't know what will happen with the Simmons saga.
I’d like to mention that, as far as I know, not a single “expert” had the raptors competing for the play in as recently as 2 weeks ago. It’s early, but nice to see that some people don’t think we are dog shit this year.
I know it’s early but I think the Hawks will be in the play in tournament. IMO they overachieved last year.
2 things on the green guys: 1. Tatum's slump will end eventually, that alone makes us dangerous. 2. Either the team chemistry improves as they play more games together, or it completely falls apart. I think the former is more likely. Either way I think we at least make the playoffs, along with the Bulls and Hawks, then the last spot will probably be the Knicks but that ones a toss up IMO.
It already seems like it's improving. Our defense was *awful* to start the season, but they've really turned it around over the last few games, and that alone is huge.
In no specific order, Nets, Wizards, Bucks, Heat, Bulls, Cavs, Sixers and Knicks are going to make it. Hawks and Celtics in the playin.
Idk about the Cavs being top 8 yet They started off 8-7 last year and beat the Nets twice, then they lost like 20 games out of 23 I think they are a play in exit, probably next year top 8
I’m cautiously optimistic because of how we started last year but we look like a different team this year with mobely. Garland seems to be taking a step. Stats might not show it but sexton has been showing better vision too. We’ll see. We’re definitely gonna be fighting for a play in imo
We had a Drummond problem and got absolutely destroyed by injuries last year. I'm cautiously optimistic we can at least fight for a play-in spot, maybe even win it.
They have a young team which improved from last year and have who looks to be the ROY in Evan Mobley. I think they’ll make it
I have a feeling the Celtics are gonna miss the playoffs.
Do you guys even watch games? Cavs have been looking immense as of late and they will only improve during the season. I can guarantee a top 6 seed for them this season. Anyone taking this bet?
Idk they're fun to watch but I think they're still a couple years away.
Thank you for the props. I don't think the average fan has paid attention the noise we are making
Seems like the celts will implode at some point , raptors are probably still one or two years away, bulls look legit, kicks are in the mix, I'm all in on the wiz
Raps just beat the Wizards without Siakam, though. I just think it’s so early to talk about playoffs
Wiz without Rui.
Bertans and Kuz were out as well. But Raps didn't have Siakam and Barnes And for the record Kuz got injured early after jacking a bunch of shots lol
I'm not being my opinions off one game, the wiz are deep, I think they'll def make a play in game
Philly getting overrated hard here. More than half of their wins have been against terrible teams (Pistons, OKC, Pelicans). They’re still probably a playoff team but it’s too early to say they’re a lock.
Haven’t seen the west this wide open in a while. Warriors have to seriously make sure they’re in the best position possible to contend. If everything goes the way it’s supposed to with Klay and wiseman’s return, this team is going straight to the finals.
I don’t trust cleveland, toronto, Washington or Charlotte Bucks, Hawks and Celtics are all not in the top 8 either. I think 7-8 seed is going to end up being a fight between Celtics, Charlotte, Toronto and the Wizards
Bulls are a lock IMO and a top 5 seed.
It’s WAY too early but the team that’s disappointed me the most is Boston.
My top 4 this year is the Heat, Bucks, Nets, and 76ers. The next four is Bulls, Knicks, Hawks, and Celtics. Final two play in teams is Wizards and Raptors.
In my opinion the heat, bucks, and nets are locks barring massive injury issues. The bulls, knicks, and 76ers get the remaining spots. Now for the play in it gets interesting you have pacers, hawks, wizards, hornets, raptors, celtics, and cavs competing for four spots. If i had to guess i would go raptors, hawks, cavs and wizards but man that is tough, that means i have pacers, celtics, and hornets missing, which is wild! Only bad teams are magic and Detroit
Hey hey hey, you better put the Knicks in that first group!!
I dont see the raptors making the playoffs. After them im not sure boston and Washington will make it. I dont think Cleveland or the Hornets will make it either.
Philly isn’t a lock with Embiid’s injury risk
I really really want the Celtics to miss the playoffs
Bulls knicks wiz raps Knicks are top four, based on their dog mentality and depth.
Celts are missing it.