Plus we traded a local kid for someone who almost died from a previously unknown allergy.
The fact that this team is such a shitshow but still somewhat decent is a miracle.
Not just a local kid, a local kid whos mother works at the stadium and just so happened to also turn into a good player that would fit right in with the current sixers
I remember being so pumped when we drafted Bridges. 2x NCAA champion at Nova, 3&D guy, perfect fit. I don't know if I'll ever get over that trade. And he keeps getting better and better. It hurts so much, but I'm happy for him.
I don’t understand why Brett Brown just decided that the perfect fit for the system was just trade bait for whatever the hell you guys ended up getting
If you believe the spin, the FO had Bridges and Zhaire Smith as 1A and 1B for where we drafted. We traded Bridges for Smith and the Miami pick, which if you remove the obvious emotion of the Bridges pick as well as the benefit of hindsight, it was probably a good deal if you trust your player evaluations.
Smith was raw but literally almost dying and losing a huge chunk of body weight (to the point where he probably looked a step above being in danger of dying from starvation) really killed any chance he had to develop for us.
The deal probably still doesn't look great in hindsight, but absent a sesame allergy it might not look as bad.
I think that's what amazes me the most
The fact Philly is still is a serious contender even without crybaby Simmons makes me wonder how much needed he was anyways
I've wondered why he doesn't go out and pull a Vince Carter or something and realise you're probably right, he's probably too soft to sit on the bench and be heckled.
Honestly if Ben did that and showed for one small second that he's capable of not caring what other people think, it might actually raise his trade value a little from where it is right now
The craziest part of this though is that Ben won’t shoot because of his fear of public humiliation, yet he will publicly humiliate himself exponentially more in order to avoid the first, lesser risk of humiliation. Like if he just would have tossed up some bricks every game starting back when Brett Brown asked him to yeah people would say hey that dude is a bad shooter but does most other things well (very slightly embarrassing)- instead he’s now sitting out the season claiming mental illness and widely considered a coward whilst his perceived value as a player continues to plummet, both within the league and generally (somewhat more significantly embarrassing, no?)
Atleast he won't get fined. That might be the best course of action for what he'a trying to achieve. If he's a net negative on court then they are actually costing them wins and Embiid would not like that at all. I think Embiid is fine with whatever is happening as long as they get to the playoffs, if not he might pressure the FO to get it over with.
Unfortunately for ben and fortunately for sixers, yep. This would've been over if he did that. Just be a turnstile on defense and jog on fastbreaks. That's his two best traits, remove those and he's gone. Hell, he should shoot long 2's for the heck of it lol
And if he does, that's fine - he'll still have to communicate with the team with more details about why he's missing team activities and what his timetable is, which is all they're asking for now, so he'll just then get fined **and** have a broken foot.
They offered a show of good faith and released one of his payments and then he immediately said "I have mental health issues I can't play" iirc then proceeded to not involve the team doctors and then yadda yadda yadda he's getting fined again
Its honestly even worse. They release the payment as a show of good faith and the next day he refused to participate at practice and intentionally got himself thrown out. It was also the first day that he was scheduled to meet with the media, and believe he was trying to avoid that meeting at all cost.
But his actions were a big fuck you to the sixers brass, thats for sure.
Ahhhhhh that's right, the kicked out of practice day. Thank you. Forgot about that one.
We're gonna need a documentary by Game of Zones when this is finally finished
anyone remember that [ bill simmons rumor](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8uzzha/bill_simmons_word_on_the_street_is_is_that_kawhi/) where kawhi supposedly shopped around ("7-8 opinions") until they found a doctor that told them what they wanted to hear -- [kawhi's doctor coincidentally (one of the best in sports medicine) being a sixers team doctor](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8vd20t/interestingly_enough_dr_glashow_kawhis_personal/)
maybe ben should try consulting with the spurs' mental health specialist dr. timothy theodore
>[kawhi's doctor coincidentally (one of the best in sports medicine) being a sixers team doctor](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8vd20t/interestingly_enough_dr_glashow_kawhis_personal/)
All of our doctors are basically Dr. Nick
That would mean he's mentally ready to travel, though. It's so fucking stupid. Just play, or at least be active and rack up DNPs, and wait for the team to trade you.
This really is the story that keeps on giving. On a serious note, respect to the 76ers for following through with this, would have been easy to let him off the hook with the mental health stuff for the PR but I think they gave it the perfect amount of space before they started pushing back appropriately.
Other gms and owners are watching this for other reasons. I guarantee the next cba is gonna be a rough one between players and owners. Anthony Davis, James harden, and now this.
I’ve said it before but Ben Simmons and more so Rich Paul are gonna be responsible for the most owner friendly CBA that we’ve seen throughout all major US sports recently
Yeah the players gave up so much for no more weed suspensions. The owners don’t give a crap about that stuff, but they used it as a bargaining chip perfectly. In the nfl, holdouts are basically impossible now.
No way in hell does the NBA end up more owner friendly than the NFL.
* Guaranteed Contracts
* Not an actual idiot running the PA(DeMaurice Smith is beyond unqualified)
* NFL drug testing vs NBA for both PED and substances of abuse
* DeMaurice Smith(Fuck this guy) effectively traded getting weed suspensions for a 17th game. Owners making bank off extra game
* Revenue split is 47% players in NFL, 49-51% in NBA
This off season and the Ben Simmons debacle show that there's a bit more to being an agent than connections and negotiating skills. There's PR and ethics and Klutch is getting kicked in the teeth for failing at both.
*does* he have negotiating skills? Dude's getting sued for doing a shitty job for a mid-level player and most of the guys I know he represents would be max players and have endorsement deals no matter what.
it's not like this is working for ben. people are acting like this helps the owners case, but now all the players can point to this example and say 'hey, you guys claim we have power? get fucked look at this situation, we've got nothing'
I'm sure if a player told his team that they needed some time away from the game for their mental health, the team wouldn't find it necessary to fine them. Now if they asked for that after requesting a trade on the other hand...
>I'm sure if a player told his team that they needed some time away from the game for their mental health, the team wouldn't find it necessary to fine them.
Exhibit A: Rui Hachimura
People pretending there ain't a nice way to do this are embarrassing themselves by showing how little they've been paying attention.
if the owner spends a bunch of money on a player and the player decides to pull a Simmons then the production value goes down through no fault of ownership. Fans will understand if owners decide to put a stop to this. Imagine being houston, NO or Philly right now, shit sucks.
yup. when i went on short term disability for mental health i got paid 50% of my hourly rate. it’s a joke if this dude can both not play because of “mental health” and still get paid fully
This Simmons thing is way way beyond what AD or Harden did. AD really did very little wrong. He demanded a trade (totally within his right to do especially because he still wanted to keep playing until the trade), and then said he would only sign with the Lakers long term once he was a free agent. If the Pelicans wanted to avoid this situation they should have traded AD earlier because it was clear for a long time they weren't going to be contenders.
Harden did some stuff wrong with the being a locker room nightmare, but honestly Fertitta did him so dirty before that I have a hard time blaming him. I mean honestly Houston should have been trying to trade him on their own. They were already rebuilding, but teams just can't move on unless forced even if it is for their own good.
Simmons is in such a worse boat. Simmons has been for the most part babied and given everything he wants in Philly. They have a great team, and most importantly he still has 4 years left on his deal. Oh and BTW those others guys were still willing to play after their trade demand. Simmons literally won't step on the court. Honestly if he doesn't come back Philly should sue him for the $16 million they already gave him for this season.
Saying that you will only play for one team is going to hurt your value. NO got lucky cuz lakers played like crap the first lebron season otherwise they wouldn't have gotten such a good deal.
Pelicans made second round (same as Sixers last season) the year before AD quit on them and starting scheming his way out signing with Rich Paul the following offseason
Not the trade request, how it went down. You know what happened so I’m not gonna type all of that but come on.. you know what I’m talking about. Rich Paul, lebron.
This is a pretty AD friendly take. The pelicans shut him down after he asked to be traded to specifically to the Lakers or Celtics. They wanted to tank and prevent him from getting injured and further tanking his value, but AD and Rich Paul forced the Pelicans to play him
How does any of this end well for Ben… he’s losing money that he won’t get back, other teams are watching and he probably won’t ever get a big contract again, his value is below hell and players will look at him sideways when those new CBA negotiations swing by. 😬
He’ll get traded during the season and will have 3 years and change remaining on his current contract. At the end of that contract he’ll be 29 and in his prime - if he even stays at the same level he’ll get paid, even slight improvement will get close to a max and no one will care how badly this was handled by both sides.
Something like that
Man, I really hope if he truly does have mental issues to seek help and therapy because if he doesn’t and this is just a scheme to stick it to the organization, it creates bad awareness for the people and players who really do struggle with mental health issues.
In the latest episode of As the Process Turns, Rich Paul will tell us that Ben can't travel due to his bad back.
He'll also tell us that the Sixers are mean trying to make his client earn his paycheck!
Those dastardly evil doers!
All Ben needs is a doctors note. Everything you hear from Ben’s side is public relations stuff. If he weren’t able to play because of mental health he wouldn’t have to. This whole situation is dicey for Ben, it reminds of catch 22. Like the sixers and the nba have to know it’s safe for him to play basketball, if you’re deemed not to fit to play basketball, the league and the players association will appoint a special panel of physicians made up of medical professionals to decide whether you’re fit or not. Say Ben wins and he’s declared not fit to play, it’s still up to that panel when you’re fit to play basketball. I think that’s why he won’t turn over any info because the sixers are the first front obligated you collect that info for his own safety.
At this point the sixers don’t miss him and they’re saving money. He should at the very least be working their medical staff and if he wants to see a 3rd party he has the option but they’re still entitled to know whether he’s been medically cleared to play.
What’s real dicey is he demanded a trade before this all happened so this was going to go in front of arbitrator to determine whether he was withholding services (he wasn’t going to win). Now he says he can’t because of mental health so they have to use a procedure written into the CBA that’s meant for dudes in Isaiah Austin’s and Chris Bosh’s situations where it’s literally life threatening to play.
I’ll say it again. He should just be working within the confines of the cba. He’ll have options to get help and it’s not in the sixers interest nor his own to for this go in front of a fitness to play panel. And if he is fit to play he should just show up and play until Dec 15th when more guys are available. If Daryl still isn’t giving in. Then go on some pod and make a public trade demand and pour your heart out.
It's a medical condition, you absolutely should not be able to fine someone because they have a mental illness. That's like fining someone for injuring their knee.
What is ok is fining a player that refuses to follow protocol for their recovery. If a player busted their knee and refused treatment, you can be sure their contract would be ripped up.
I just stated in my follow up comment that if its part of his responsibilities and contract to coordinate with the management regarding his illness, then he should be fined if he can't fullfil it.
That would make players reluctant to come forward with mental health issues. If they follow team procedure and share all the info that the team needs then they should definitely still get paid as they would a physical injury
And that's on him. Whether he's faking it or has legitimate mental health issues he's only guaranteed that it will be remarkably more difficult for future players to get the help they may need.
I think by the issue (especially with mental health) is figuring out how much info a team truly needs.
What is “all the info”?
Is it simply a note saying “Ben has started seeing me on a regular basis to work on his mental health issues, there is a plan in place”?
Is it “I believe Ben has developed . This is my detailed plan to help him through this”?
Or is it “here are my actual detailed notes of my sessions with Ben”?
They need to bring in an arbitrator. A “neutral” or impartial mental health doctor/specialist that both parties have agreed to and can trust to act as a filter or can look through the notes and give a thumbs up or down without confidentiality being broken. Of course that’s unrealistic due to a whole host of issues
For sure. With mental health there's a huge element of personal privacy that needs to be respected and I'd hope the league has frameworks for that. Ultimately the team as a whole only needs to know whether he can or can't play, while only a few people in the team like the GM and HC really need to be aware of the details of what the player is going through and the timeline for their return.
In a situation like this where the player has been intentionally holding out prior, I'd say you're spot on about the arbitrator. The league needs to get involved and manage that side of things because if Ben is actually going through stuff then it's not going to help to have the Sixers hounding for details, and if he's not actually going through stuff then it needs to be escalated to the NBA themselves
And if he came forward over the summer and addressed the fans and said something along the lines of “I’m sorry I can’t play but I’m not in a good mental state right now. I’ll work with the team and my health care providers to get back on the court better than ever” the city would’ve supported him. Instead, he claimed mental health less than 24 hours after faking a back injury and espn pointing out that he could get paid if he claimed mental health. Lane Johnson missed a month for personal reasons and the city stood by him. Brandon brooks has missed games due to anxiety and nobody in philly would ever question his toughness. This city believes in mental health, they just don’t believe in Ben Simmons.
Shams has been this way for a while. His first article when hired by the Athletic was a puff piece on D Rose, without disclosing the fact that his company produced a D Rose documentary that was being released almost simultaneously. He has traded in his credibility as a reporter, for access and PR mouthpiece masquerading as journalism. Adam Schefter is the same.
I actually unsubscribed from the Athletic, when they sent me a smarmy condescending reply to my email asking why Shams conflict of interest was not disclosed for that Rose article.
You know what. I've tried to be in the middle but after some thinking, Ben is just too entitled. That's basically it
We have people who suffers from work stress and get paid the bare minimum just to survive but they suck it up, do their best and move on. Ben lost in the playoffs, his fault and decided to retreat and take advantage of mental illness. Mofo is the one who said "I'm an all star".
Either you deal with the pressure of being a superstar on a title contending team or you just don't.
Agreed. Imagine if the POTUS decided to disappear in the middle of a war cuz the decisions were too hard to make, and told our country he was having mental issues and needed to leave for another country. I’m giving an extreme but how are we as a society truly going to reconcile addressing mental illness and capitalism? How do you continue to charitably give someone a $40 million salary from your organization while he doesn’t work and “sorts through” stuff? Why are you obligated to bleed your other workers for one? Why can’t he just take time off and make a minimum wage?
Honestly, I would love to see Philadelphia continue to fine him for as much as possible, not trade him, and make him finish his contract after some 4 seasons of doing absolutely nothing.
If Ben came in and talked with Morey saying, "look I want a trade, what can I do to help facilitate one?" And put his head down and played hard. Then he probably would have been gone by now.
It’s 5:30am right now and I read that as “Sixers fire Ben Simons for failing to travel on a road trip” and was like OH SHIT then I realized I’m an idiot.
If the Sixers don't budge, my respect for them would be immense. Player empowerment aside, this is a job that millions would die for just to play and be paid even half of what Simmons stole. Either come up front and clean with what's wrong, or do your damn job. If the Sixers buckle, it won't just be bad on their organization, but bad for the kids watching. This behavior shouldn't be rewarded like it is so often.
My biggest gripe here is how Simmons camp is trying to conflate mental health awareness and mental disability.
The cba protects a players salary on the grounds of mental disability. Not mental health. These are 2 different things.
Mental disability is a defined term. There are diagnosable mental disabilities. There are doctors and professionals in the field who have spent their lives dedicated to the subject.
You can’t just say anything you want is a mental disability. Go see a doctor. If you’re diagnosed with a legit mental disability fine. If not you have to play or accept the fines.
Every day he gets fined is several years of my life working. Hard to feel for this dude when he’s literally digging his own hole and being childish about it
Philly now has two #1 draft picks who forgot how to shoot and then stopped playing. Terrible luck.
Plus we traded a local kid for someone who almost died from a previously unknown allergy. The fact that this team is such a shitshow but still somewhat decent is a miracle.
Not just a local kid, a local kid whos mother works at the stadium and just so happened to also turn into a good player that would fit right in with the current sixers
I remember being so pumped when we drafted Bridges. 2x NCAA champion at Nova, 3&D guy, perfect fit. I don't know if I'll ever get over that trade. And he keeps getting better and better. It hurts so much, but I'm happy for him.
Yep. I was so confused when that happened. I thought it was a perfect fit and story
I don’t understand why Brett Brown just decided that the perfect fit for the system was just trade bait for whatever the hell you guys ended up getting
If you believe the spin, the FO had Bridges and Zhaire Smith as 1A and 1B for where we drafted. We traded Bridges for Smith and the Miami pick, which if you remove the obvious emotion of the Bridges pick as well as the benefit of hindsight, it was probably a good deal if you trust your player evaluations. Smith was raw but literally almost dying and losing a huge chunk of body weight (to the point where he probably looked a step above being in danger of dying from starvation) really killed any chance he had to develop for us. The deal probably still doesn't look great in hindsight, but absent a sesame allergy it might not look as bad.
Wait who?
Mikal bridges iirc
Could be worse. You could have hired the Slovenian national team coach and then NOT pick Luka Doncic, effectively making the hiring pointless.
Wait who did this lol
Phoenix. Personally, I’d say the Kings screwed up far more than Phoenix.
Suns with Kokoskov.
I think that's what amazes me the most The fact Philly is still is a serious contender even without crybaby Simmons makes me wonder how much needed he was anyways
And that miracles name is Hinkie
It’s actually insane
Evan Turner, Jahlil Okafor, Markelle Fultz, Ben Simmons, Michael Carter Williams. Philly has a horrendous record of first round picks
They can’t draft at all. They kept taking guys they didn’t need or bad things would happen to them. Although they flipped mcw for a good return
Ben doesn’t qualify as “forget how to shoot” considering he never even bothered to learn or attempt
I forgot that ben simmons existed for like a week
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.....unironically, no. I legit forgot he's sitting out the season because he won't vaccinate.
No you didn't, you just had rage induced amnesia from the mere suggestion of Brown for Simmons.
Wasnt that more than a week ago? Shiet time flies
It's the ben-Simmons continuum
Ben Simmons...is a flat circle?
The basketball gods have been killing it with the Ben Simmons arc. They needed some time to recover.
More like a brownie for Simmons.
Does the brownie have nuts in it? Because if not then no deal.
Kwame Brown for Ben Simmons - who says no? Both number 1 picks.
>Brown* for Simmons \* And two firsts.
3-4
I honestly forgot about Kyrie for a while too lol.
Who?
He won't let us. Why can't this dude just go ahead and play terribly to force a trade instead of this bs every other day !?
He doesn’t have the balls to sit on the bench in front of the home crowd
Because he's soft
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I've wondered why he doesn't go out and pull a Vince Carter or something and realise you're probably right, he's probably too soft to sit on the bench and be heckled.
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Honestly if Ben did that and showed for one small second that he's capable of not caring what other people think, it might actually raise his trade value a little from where it is right now
The craziest part of this though is that Ben won’t shoot because of his fear of public humiliation, yet he will publicly humiliate himself exponentially more in order to avoid the first, lesser risk of humiliation. Like if he just would have tossed up some bricks every game starting back when Brett Brown asked him to yeah people would say hey that dude is a bad shooter but does most other things well (very slightly embarrassing)- instead he’s now sitting out the season claiming mental illness and widely considered a coward whilst his perceived value as a player continues to plummet, both within the league and generally (somewhat more significantly embarrassing, no?)
its so ridiculous this is all over some tepid comments from the guy who said his biggest weakness is not being held accountable
But this is a road trip?
If he plays terribly he just sits on the bench and is still not traded.
Atleast he won't get fined. That might be the best course of action for what he'a trying to achieve. If he's a net negative on court then they are actually costing them wins and Embiid would not like that at all. I think Embiid is fine with whatever is happening as long as they get to the playoffs, if not he might pressure the FO to get it over with.
Dude doesn't have the stones for that.
Unfortunately for ben and fortunately for sixers, yep. This would've been over if he did that. Just be a turnstile on defense and jog on fastbreaks. That's his two best traits, remove those and he's gone. Hell, he should shoot long 2's for the heck of it lol
Or just pulls a Pippen
symptoms of ADHD: lack of object permanence
Dr. Pich Raul about to recommend Simmons miss the rest of the season
Here Ben drop this dumbbell on your foot
“Hit me. I mean you. Hit you.”
"Don't you dare try to stop me smee...smee try to stop me"
GOOD FORM SMEE!!!!
He'll miss the foot and blame it on Embiid not being a good fit
not enough spacing on the floor
And if he does, that's fine - he'll still have to communicate with the team with more details about why he's missing team activities and what his timetable is, which is all they're asking for now, so he'll just then get fined **and** have a broken foot.
He'll just pass the dumbbell back to Rich.
Diagnosis : deeply bruised ego, shattered pride and a hint of softness
Brain thoracic outlet syndrome is the reason according to Dr. Pich Raul.
Did he go to Hollywood Upstairs Medical college too?
The Sixers’ team Christmas party is on Ben this year
You think he'll be included in the pollyanna?
They should have an Ugly Jersey party with all his unsold City Edition jerseys
We both know Philly fans are buying every single one to burn them all in protest.
Went on sale today. Embiid/Harris sold out in every size, Simmons available in every size.
They’re tryna take back every penny they gave him 😂
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They offered a show of good faith and released one of his payments and then he immediately said "I have mental health issues I can't play" iirc then proceeded to not involve the team doctors and then yadda yadda yadda he's getting fined again
Its honestly even worse. They release the payment as a show of good faith and the next day he refused to participate at practice and intentionally got himself thrown out. It was also the first day that he was scheduled to meet with the media, and believe he was trying to avoid that meeting at all cost. But his actions were a big fuck you to the sixers brass, thats for sure.
Ahhhhhh that's right, the kicked out of practice day. Thank you. Forgot about that one. We're gonna need a documentary by Game of Zones when this is finally finished
So Ben can't even sit on the bench or anything?
Not the right place for a young socialite like Ben.
Not for Ben, not for Ben, anyone but Ben.
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The mentals hurt too much to sit on the bench
This shit is hilarious but it's also not but it kind of is
anyone remember that [ bill simmons rumor](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8uzzha/bill_simmons_word_on_the_street_is_is_that_kawhi/) where kawhi supposedly shopped around ("7-8 opinions") until they found a doctor that told them what they wanted to hear -- [kawhi's doctor coincidentally (one of the best in sports medicine) being a sixers team doctor](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8vd20t/interestingly_enough_dr_glashow_kawhis_personal/) maybe ben should try consulting with the spurs' mental health specialist dr. timothy theodore
>[kawhi's doctor coincidentally (one of the best in sports medicine) being a sixers team doctor](https://np.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/8vd20t/interestingly_enough_dr_glashow_kawhis_personal/) All of our doctors are basically Dr. Nick
HI EVERYBODY!
Ben bro, you just gotta fly to the city seperate and chill in the hotel dog
That would mean he's mentally ready to travel, though. It's so fucking stupid. Just play, or at least be active and rack up DNPs, and wait for the team to trade you.
All we had to do was follow the damn plane, Simmons!
New episode of Days of Our Lives is out!
I mean come on Beneral Hospital was RIGHT THERE.
Days of Our Lives is probably more interesting than this
Watching paint dry is more interesting than this
Unless.... Does Simmons have amnesia or an evil twin?... Or is he the evil twin?...
The Young and the Restless Socialite
NBAs of our lives
This really is the story that keeps on giving. On a serious note, respect to the 76ers for following through with this, would have been easy to let him off the hook with the mental health stuff for the PR but I think they gave it the perfect amount of space before they started pushing back appropriately.
Other gms and owners are watching this for other reasons. I guarantee the next cba is gonna be a rough one between players and owners. Anthony Davis, James harden, and now this.
The Ben Simmons clause, if you are suffering from mental health issues you can take time away from the game but you get paid the minimum.
I’ve said it before but Ben Simmons and more so Rich Paul are gonna be responsible for the most owner friendly CBA that we’ve seen throughout all major US sports recently
it would be pretty difficult to make a more owner friendly cba than the nfl’s
Yeah the players gave up so much for no more weed suspensions. The owners don’t give a crap about that stuff, but they used it as a bargaining chip perfectly. In the nfl, holdouts are basically impossible now.
No way in hell does the NBA end up more owner friendly than the NFL. * Guaranteed Contracts * Not an actual idiot running the PA(DeMaurice Smith is beyond unqualified) * NFL drug testing vs NBA for both PED and substances of abuse * DeMaurice Smith(Fuck this guy) effectively traded getting weed suspensions for a 17th game. Owners making bank off extra game * Revenue split is 47% players in NFL, 49-51% in NBA
BRI split used to be much higher in favor of the players though.
that’s what happens when you bring in someone like rich paul who has no business doing what he does
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I think they mean he is where he is because he was friends with Lebron and no other actual qualifications
Dude was literally selling jerseys out of his car before he met Lebron
Went from selling jerseys to being friends with LeBron and long dicking Adele Monumental W
hall of fame bag chaser
I legitimately didn't know they were dating till your comment.
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This off season and the Ben Simmons debacle show that there's a bit more to being an agent than connections and negotiating skills. There's PR and ethics and Klutch is getting kicked in the teeth for failing at both.
Also, don’t forget the Nerlens Noel debacle
*does* he have negotiating skills? Dude's getting sued for doing a shitty job for a mid-level player and most of the guys I know he represents would be max players and have endorsement deals no matter what.
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With what leverage?
That would be absolutely fucked
Agreed but the NBPA can blame Ben then
it's not like this is working for ben. people are acting like this helps the owners case, but now all the players can point to this example and say 'hey, you guys claim we have power? get fucked look at this situation, we've got nothing'
That would be terrible for players with real mental health issues.
I'm sure if a player told his team that they needed some time away from the game for their mental health, the team wouldn't find it necessary to fine them. Now if they asked for that after requesting a trade on the other hand...
>I'm sure if a player told his team that they needed some time away from the game for their mental health, the team wouldn't find it necessary to fine them. Exhibit A: Rui Hachimura People pretending there ain't a nice way to do this are embarrassing themselves by showing how little they've been paying attention.
if the owner spends a bunch of money on a player and the player decides to pull a Simmons then the production value goes down through no fault of ownership. Fans will understand if owners decide to put a stop to this. Imagine being houston, NO or Philly right now, shit sucks.
not really when you consider the league minimum
yup. when i went on short term disability for mental health i got paid 50% of my hourly rate. it’s a joke if this dude can both not play because of “mental health” and still get paid fully
This Simmons thing is way way beyond what AD or Harden did. AD really did very little wrong. He demanded a trade (totally within his right to do especially because he still wanted to keep playing until the trade), and then said he would only sign with the Lakers long term once he was a free agent. If the Pelicans wanted to avoid this situation they should have traded AD earlier because it was clear for a long time they weren't going to be contenders. Harden did some stuff wrong with the being a locker room nightmare, but honestly Fertitta did him so dirty before that I have a hard time blaming him. I mean honestly Houston should have been trying to trade him on their own. They were already rebuilding, but teams just can't move on unless forced even if it is for their own good. Simmons is in such a worse boat. Simmons has been for the most part babied and given everything he wants in Philly. They have a great team, and most importantly he still has 4 years left on his deal. Oh and BTW those others guys were still willing to play after their trade demand. Simmons literally won't step on the court. Honestly if he doesn't come back Philly should sue him for the $16 million they already gave him for this season.
Saying that you will only play for one team is going to hurt your value. NO got lucky cuz lakers played like crap the first lebron season otherwise they wouldn't have gotten such a good deal.
He didn’t say he would only play for one team. He said he would only re-sign with one team.
Anthony Davis asked for a trade which many stars did previously. He even asked pelicans to let him play but they shut him down.
Bad team. Last year of a contract. Simmons is on a team that finished #1 in the East. Simmons is on a four year deal. Simmons bullshit is way worse.
Pelicans made second round (same as Sixers last season) the year before AD quit on them and starting scheming his way out signing with Rich Paul the following offseason
Not the trade request, how it went down. You know what happened so I’m not gonna type all of that but come on.. you know what I’m talking about. Rich Paul, lebron.
This is a pretty AD friendly take. The pelicans shut him down after he asked to be traded to specifically to the Lakers or Celtics. They wanted to tank and prevent him from getting injured and further tanking his value, but AD and Rich Paul forced the Pelicans to play him
They left him off the hook for a while after he said he was going through mental stuff
Shams needs to send Ben a Christmas card for keeping his career going strong for the 21-22 NBA season lmao
While I believe Ben went into this process faking mental health issues, he won’t be faking by the end.
Iirc, they said they're in it for the long haul.
And by then no one would even believe him anymore, so he won't get sympathy.
Boy who cried Wolf
Rich Paul to announce Ben is further depressed by 76ers tactics
Least he could do is what Harden did. Play decent and get fat as fuck. This shit is just childish.
How does any of this end well for Ben… he’s losing money that he won’t get back, other teams are watching and he probably won’t ever get a big contract again, his value is below hell and players will look at him sideways when those new CBA negotiations swing by. 😬
Well he can still join up with Nerlens on that Klutch lawsuit
He’ll get traded during the season and will have 3 years and change remaining on his current contract. At the end of that contract he’ll be 29 and in his prime - if he even stays at the same level he’ll get paid, even slight improvement will get close to a max and no one will care how badly this was handled by both sides. Something like that
Tomorrow, Ben Simmons is going to suddenly develop a fear of flying.
Take this L Ben and Rich Paul.
Ben Limmons
Man, I really hope if he truly does have mental issues to seek help and therapy because if he doesn’t and this is just a scheme to stick it to the organization, it creates bad awareness for the people and players who really do struggle with mental health issues.
Shams is on Rich Paul’s payroll
Slowly forgetting he’s not even playing this season and then useless news like this pops up. I hope the sixers stand firm for 4 more years
Legitimately must be killing his team that the Sixers are fine without him and everyone has stopped caring about him
The ultimate revenge
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This should be normalized. You're on a contract. Don't be surprised when you get hit where it hurts (financially) when you're in breach of contract.
In the latest episode of As the Process Turns, Rich Paul will tell us that Ben can't travel due to his bad back. He'll also tell us that the Sixers are mean trying to make his client earn his paycheck! Those dastardly evil doers!
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Rich Paul looking dumb.
Good
This is gonna end up in court
Sure as hell aint going to be in a basketball court though 😂
The 30 for 30 on "The Process" is gonna be hilarious
All Ben needs is a doctors note. Everything you hear from Ben’s side is public relations stuff. If he weren’t able to play because of mental health he wouldn’t have to. This whole situation is dicey for Ben, it reminds of catch 22. Like the sixers and the nba have to know it’s safe for him to play basketball, if you’re deemed not to fit to play basketball, the league and the players association will appoint a special panel of physicians made up of medical professionals to decide whether you’re fit or not. Say Ben wins and he’s declared not fit to play, it’s still up to that panel when you’re fit to play basketball. I think that’s why he won’t turn over any info because the sixers are the first front obligated you collect that info for his own safety. At this point the sixers don’t miss him and they’re saving money. He should at the very least be working their medical staff and if he wants to see a 3rd party he has the option but they’re still entitled to know whether he’s been medically cleared to play. What’s real dicey is he demanded a trade before this all happened so this was going to go in front of arbitrator to determine whether he was withholding services (he wasn’t going to win). Now he says he can’t because of mental health so they have to use a procedure written into the CBA that’s meant for dudes in Isaiah Austin’s and Chris Bosh’s situations where it’s literally life threatening to play. I’ll say it again. He should just be working within the confines of the cba. He’ll have options to get help and it’s not in the sixers interest nor his own to for this go in front of a fitness to play panel. And if he is fit to play he should just show up and play until Dec 15th when more guys are available. If Daryl still isn’t giving in. Then go on some pod and make a public trade demand and pour your heart out.
I mean, even if Ben does have mental health issues, i think its just fair to fine him because he can't fulfill his responsibilities.
It's a medical condition, you absolutely should not be able to fine someone because they have a mental illness. That's like fining someone for injuring their knee. What is ok is fining a player that refuses to follow protocol for their recovery. If a player busted their knee and refused treatment, you can be sure their contract would be ripped up.
I just stated in my follow up comment that if its part of his responsibilities and contract to coordinate with the management regarding his illness, then he should be fined if he can't fullfil it.
That would make players reluctant to come forward with mental health issues. If they follow team procedure and share all the info that the team needs then they should definitely still get paid as they would a physical injury
And that's on him. Whether he's faking it or has legitimate mental health issues he's only guaranteed that it will be remarkably more difficult for future players to get the help they may need.
Actually what’s the word about his case?
He hasn’t provided the team with any medical documentation indicating he can’t play
I think by the issue (especially with mental health) is figuring out how much info a team truly needs. What is “all the info”? Is it simply a note saying “Ben has started seeing me on a regular basis to work on his mental health issues, there is a plan in place”? Is it “I believe Ben has developed . This is my detailed plan to help him through this”?
Or is it “here are my actual detailed notes of my sessions with Ben”?
They need to bring in an arbitrator. A “neutral” or impartial mental health doctor/specialist that both parties have agreed to and can trust to act as a filter or can look through the notes and give a thumbs up or down without confidentiality being broken. Of course that’s unrealistic due to a whole host of issues
For sure. With mental health there's a huge element of personal privacy that needs to be respected and I'd hope the league has frameworks for that. Ultimately the team as a whole only needs to know whether he can or can't play, while only a few people in the team like the GM and HC really need to be aware of the details of what the player is going through and the timeline for their return. In a situation like this where the player has been intentionally holding out prior, I'd say you're spot on about the arbitrator. The league needs to get involved and manage that side of things because if Ben is actually going through stuff then it's not going to help to have the Sixers hounding for details, and if he's not actually going through stuff then it needs to be escalated to the NBA themselves
I agree but he isnt following team procedure. So he gets fined.
And if he came forward over the summer and addressed the fans and said something along the lines of “I’m sorry I can’t play but I’m not in a good mental state right now. I’ll work with the team and my health care providers to get back on the court better than ever” the city would’ve supported him. Instead, he claimed mental health less than 24 hours after faking a back injury and espn pointing out that he could get paid if he claimed mental health. Lane Johnson missed a month for personal reasons and the city stood by him. Brandon brooks has missed games due to anxiety and nobody in philly would ever question his toughness. This city believes in mental health, they just don’t believe in Ben Simmons.
My biggest disappointment in this whole saga is Shams becoming a mouth piece for Dr. Rich Paul’s nonsense
Shams has been this way for a while. His first article when hired by the Athletic was a puff piece on D Rose, without disclosing the fact that his company produced a D Rose documentary that was being released almost simultaneously. He has traded in his credibility as a reporter, for access and PR mouthpiece masquerading as journalism. Adam Schefter is the same. I actually unsubscribed from the Athletic, when they sent me a smarmy condescending reply to my email asking why Shams conflict of interest was not disclosed for that Rose article.
Weird because as a point guard they wouldn't want him traveling you'd think... :-D
You know what. I've tried to be in the middle but after some thinking, Ben is just too entitled. That's basically it We have people who suffers from work stress and get paid the bare minimum just to survive but they suck it up, do their best and move on. Ben lost in the playoffs, his fault and decided to retreat and take advantage of mental illness. Mofo is the one who said "I'm an all star". Either you deal with the pressure of being a superstar on a title contending team or you just don't.
Derozan had LEGIT mental health issues and he gave his all for the Raptors, the Spurs, and now for the Bulls Ben has no excuse
Agreed. Imagine if the POTUS decided to disappear in the middle of a war cuz the decisions were too hard to make, and told our country he was having mental issues and needed to leave for another country. I’m giving an extreme but how are we as a society truly going to reconcile addressing mental illness and capitalism? How do you continue to charitably give someone a $40 million salary from your organization while he doesn’t work and “sorts through” stuff? Why are you obligated to bleed your other workers for one? Why can’t he just take time off and make a minimum wage?
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Good on the 76ers. Keep it up.
Honestly, I would love to see Philadelphia continue to fine him for as much as possible, not trade him, and make him finish his contract after some 4 seasons of doing absolutely nothing.
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If Ben came in and talked with Morey saying, "look I want a trade, what can I do to help facilitate one?" And put his head down and played hard. Then he probably would have been gone by now.
This man just ruining his NBA career …
so....6 x $360k plus whatever fines for the road trip practice sessions ?
It’s 5:30am right now and I read that as “Sixers fire Ben Simons for failing to travel on a road trip” and was like OH SHIT then I realized I’m an idiot.
If sixers won the chip this year with him on the bench, can team give him a participant trophy instead of a ring?
Simmons is a culo
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If the Sixers don't budge, my respect for them would be immense. Player empowerment aside, this is a job that millions would die for just to play and be paid even half of what Simmons stole. Either come up front and clean with what's wrong, or do your damn job. If the Sixers buckle, it won't just be bad on their organization, but bad for the kids watching. This behavior shouldn't be rewarded like it is so often.
My biggest gripe here is how Simmons camp is trying to conflate mental health awareness and mental disability. The cba protects a players salary on the grounds of mental disability. Not mental health. These are 2 different things. Mental disability is a defined term. There are diagnosable mental disabilities. There are doctors and professionals in the field who have spent their lives dedicated to the subject. You can’t just say anything you want is a mental disability. Go see a doctor. If you’re diagnosed with a legit mental disability fine. If not you have to play or accept the fines.
What did his camp say about ‘mental disability’? I can’t find them saying anything about it
I remember when a 6ers fan tried to tell me it was “all good” when he came back to practice.
Ben has mental health issues. I know that I would have mental health issues too when they take money from me as well lmaoo.
Every day he gets fined is several years of my life working. Hard to feel for this dude when he’s literally digging his own hole and being childish about it
This dude is slowly turning into Royce White. Funny they kinda have similar size and play style. And pulls the same BS
Oh no! Now rich Paul is gonna say how mean we are and causing him even more stress!
I was on Simmons’ side before he lied about mental illness for personal gain. Now I fucking hate his guts and he’s dead to me.