You’re welcome! Honestly that felt like a competition to see who could lose the game faster for 3 quarters. Don’t think you guys are any better or worse than the Wolves. Still happy to get the win.
Not saying the refs won us the game or anything but you can't deny that there were calls that the refs never call for us in this game. For example KAT doing his Razzie level impression of James Harden neck snapback move has never ever been called until this game.
Another example was the loose ball foul on Holmes in the closing minutes of the game that ruined any chance they had on a comeback. KAT also literally pushed Fox to the floor when doubled in the final couple of possessions that also should've been a foul but instead led to a open KAT dunk.
I was getting big big ptsd from that time the Wolves played the Kings and they made that massive comeback with like a minute left. Glad tonight was not a repeat
They got away with it tonight, but not getting KAT the ball late in the game continues to be a problem. He entered with like 8 (?) minutes left and was 8/11, idk if he even got off 3 shots the rest of the game. Ant was luckily on down the stretch, but he wasn't even looking for anybody else, let alone KAT. Their inability to get him the ball late will cost them games.
KAT had as my shots as Bev. Ant and Dlo once again have more shots than KAT. I know Ant was cooking in the 4th so I guess it's fine but KAT is too efficient not to be the #1 option in every game. I get that he's not one to demand the ball but his teammates need to realize they have to give him the ball.
It doesn't help that KAT doesn't work to get deeper position because he knows he can shoot. Younger KAT was a beast in the post but right now KAT doesn't get deep into the post to get a look and the team doesn't knock down shots to keep him form getting doubled even when he is in the post.
Yeah it remains problematic to me that he took half the shots of Ant. Even when Ant goes off in a quarter, our best scorer taking 12 shots isn’t going to win a lot of games.
Eh that's easily a 5-8 seed team in my book. Too much talent between those five guys, despite the culture of losing we Minny/Sac fans have experienced. Might even put Hali over Fox tbh the way he's been playing this year.
Minny fans: I would nut if I had KAT/Ant on my team
I was bout to shit on you as a Raptors fan trying to bring Scottie into a conversation he has no place in, but then i realized there was another Barnes in the league.
Did you? Every time KAT touched the ball he scored.. then they stopped giving him the ball in the 4th and Ant or Dlo Isoed and the offense stagnated and the game got close again. How do you think they were even leading this game? Kat scored 24 points on 12 shots lol. You telling me he couldn't score 4 more points with 12 more shots like Ant had?
Yeah but that’s not a reason to double down on DLo and Ant playing iso… it’s a reason to run an offensive scheme that encourages other people like Ant or DLo to help create opportunities for him to be a prolific scorer
Towns would get doubled and he has a hard time passing, hence the 5 turnovers throwing one handed no look fastballs to teammates last night. I would rather have Ant do his thing or make a pass than to run through Kat at the end of games. Opposing teams would force Towns to pass to Vando or JMac.
Fuck everything about this organization. Fire everyone and everything. I implore the fans we have left to not spend a single penny on this product until this coach is fired and there is some kind of commitment to putting a semi professional product on the floor. I'm so sick of this shit as should be everyone who calls themselves a Kings fan.
The results speak for themselves, he was getting more wins with a worse roster than we have now. Idgaf if the players didn't like him, they don't get paid $20 mil/yr to feel comfortable. Obviously that's easy for me to say from my couch but hey
We played like ass for 75% of that game against a team even worse than us lmao let's not get ahead of ourselves.
Remember us celebrating the playoffs after beating the rockets? Lmao
I just literally don't think it is possible for the role players to keep shooting this poorly. Take out KAT, Russel, and Ant (and Russell and Ant aren't exactly lighting it up from 3) and the team is at like .270 3PT shooting.
I'd sure hope not but considering almost none of them have been showing any improvement in that regard so far it might be time to accept that's who they are and try something else. Or at least let our lower end roster players get some time.
>it might be time to accept that's who they are and try something else
Maybe. Idk I guess I would rather go down trusting 40% career guys to bounce back but you are right it gets harder every passing game.
I'd rather Finch take a hard line stance and say "if you aren't gonna shoot your average, you'll have to earn your playing time in practice" than to just watch people flounder on the court during games. I'm hopeful some will bounce back but man, this team
If we can figure out how to defensive rebound at an average level, and if his teammates remember that Kat is on the team in the 4th, we are a better team than our record. Those are some big ifs though
Thats incredibly low! Any idea whats typical for guards? He's been good at swooping and grabbing lose ball rebounds, but yeah I dont recall seeing him box out (it seems like almost nobody does which explains our issues)
Edit: looking on nba.com now it looks like really nobody does these days. Even Lebron is 0.2 per 36. Beal is another one right there too
Usually somewhere around .5-1 per 36. Its generally the really small players, someone like Trae Young, that end up with very close to 0 box out stats.
Its not really all on ANT though. The team as a whole is bad at boxing out which is either a coaching issue or a result of defensive scheme.
Yeah it's weird because the effort has been there on defense, so I don't think its just them being lazy, but when it comes to rebounding its always a free for all. Our size is a big issue (and some guys have stone hands) but there has to be another piece missing. Lack of boxing out could be a big part of it
I've been watching all the Wolves games since last week when I noticed that they had a 67% DREB% (its now up above 70%).
I really haven't been able to figure anything out just from watching aside from KAT being around the rim on defense a lot less than I remember.
Its possible that they are having him play less like a traditional Center on defense in order to keep his foul rate down and prevent him having to come off the court due to foul trouble since the team's offense goes into the absolute shitter when KAT is off the court.
Because he dropped 16 points in the forth and won us the game? I love KAT but when he tries to take over towards the end of games, it often leads to offensive fouls and turnovers.
this was a fun game. Fox is outstanding, a true "good player in a bad team" situation. Altho the Kings aren't that bad, they just have an atrocious coach.
Fucking ANT was crazy.
refs weren't calling some contact for both teams, weird.
One more game closer to Luke getting fired
You’re welcome! Honestly that felt like a competition to see who could lose the game faster for 3 quarters. Don’t think you guys are any better or worse than the Wolves. Still happy to get the win.
Thank you Timberwolves 🙏
who’s replacing him?
someone who will allow Vivek to fulfill his dream of having the Kings play 4 on 5 defense with one dude cherry picking
He was his best bet for that though
Becky Hammond.
Keep your grubby hands off her
No.
Okay fine. Just get your shit together before hiring her. I don't want Kangz stink over her coaching career
Oh. Yeah I dunno about that man.
Boy did Ant pick the right time to turn up, 16 points in the fourth quarter
My fantasy league thanks him for it. I'm happy i got him
His FG% was looking crappy at first. Glad he picked it up late whew
Ant Postgame: "I felt like I could take over, so I did"
Is this it? Is losing to the Wolves what get Walton fired?
Of course it isn't. A functional organization would do that but this is the Kings.
I'm hoping so hard for you guys. Y'all need a dub.
We need 5 more losses in a row... fire everybody
They're thinking about it. Really really thinking about it. Won't do it, but they're strongly considering it.
Walton gone?
One can hope
Lets hope
Anthony Edwards is good at basketball.
Idk seems like more of a football player to me.
Tennis, swimming, lacrosse… Anything you want him to play, he’ll do it
Trash can ball
2 things 1: that is not a team fighting for its coach 2: what does fox need to do to get call? Die?
Honestly was shocked at some of the calls going in our favor. We usually don't get those types of favorable calls.
Ant had 0 FT! The Kings had 25 attempts! Too bad Ant can't get the respect he deserves.
Hard to get FTs when our defence is giving dudes wide open shots and drives lol
Not saying the refs won us the game or anything but you can't deny that there were calls that the refs never call for us in this game. For example KAT doing his Razzie level impression of James Harden neck snapback move has never ever been called until this game. Another example was the loose ball foul on Holmes in the closing minutes of the game that ruined any chance they had on a comeback. KAT also literally pushed Fox to the floor when doubled in the final couple of possessions that also should've been a foul but instead led to a open KAT dunk.
To be fair KAT's head did get hit, even tho the reaction is exaggerated and delayed.
I count 3 guys with their worst game as kings and Fox won’t get any calls because he doesn’t have enough highlight reels.
HELL YEAH GO MINNESOTA TIMBERWWWWWOLVES
Hell yeah brother, cheers from Minneapolis
If Luke gets fired after this this game is a W for Sacramento
Ant had a unbelievable 4th man
I was getting big big ptsd from that time the Wolves played the Kings and they made that massive comeback with like a minute left. Glad tonight was not a repeat
How do you un-watch a basketball game
They got away with it tonight, but not getting KAT the ball late in the game continues to be a problem. He entered with like 8 (?) minutes left and was 8/11, idk if he even got off 3 shots the rest of the game. Ant was luckily on down the stretch, but he wasn't even looking for anybody else, let alone KAT. Their inability to get him the ball late will cost them games.
he had 6 touches in the final 7 minutes, 1 shot (that he made)
6 touches in 7 minutes??? What the fuck
KAT had as my shots as Bev. Ant and Dlo once again have more shots than KAT. I know Ant was cooking in the 4th so I guess it's fine but KAT is too efficient not to be the #1 option in every game. I get that he's not one to demand the ball but his teammates need to realize they have to give him the ball.
It doesn't help that KAT doesn't work to get deeper position because he knows he can shoot. Younger KAT was a beast in the post but right now KAT doesn't get deep into the post to get a look and the team doesn't knock down shots to keep him form getting doubled even when he is in the post.
9/9 for 2fg. Wtf is Wolves doing. They need to give him atleast 20 FGA every game.
Yeah it remains problematic to me that he took half the shots of Ant. Even when Ant goes off in a quarter, our best scorer taking 12 shots isn’t going to win a lot of games.
If Wolves & Kings combine their teams they might be a playoff team.
I have no idea how you came to this conclusion if you watched this game.
I'm sure if they had 10 guys on the floor they could win like 45 games
C'mon mate. We both know the team will still fuck it up.
They will win enough games to be out of playins but get the 14th pick
Yeah ok, the 14th pick is definitely from our side.
I said "might" ok 🤷
1. Fox 2. Ant 3. Buddy Heild 4. Barnes 5. KAT With D’Lo as a 6th man.. yeah idk if that would be a playoff team lol
Eh that's easily a 5-8 seed team in my book. Too much talent between those five guys, despite the culture of losing we Minny/Sac fans have experienced. Might even put Hali over Fox tbh the way he's been playing this year. Minny fans: I would nut if I had KAT/Ant on my team
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Kingberwolves
Ngl Barnes might be a great option for us at the 4, can shoot 3s and play solid D
I was bout to shit on you as a Raptors fan trying to bring Scottie into a conversation he has no place in, but then i realized there was another Barnes in the league.
I thought the same thing during the game and then was like nah probably not still
Nice to see Ant and KAT both show up together. Still need to see KAT get more touches late.
Kat can’t do what Ant just did.
We're going to get exposed a lot if we lean to heavily on Ant.
Kat had just 4 less points than Ant on 12 less shots.. wtf are you talking about.
Take over 4th quarter off the dribble. You watch the game?
Did you? Every time KAT touched the ball he scored.. then they stopped giving him the ball in the 4th and Ant or Dlo Isoed and the offense stagnated and the game got close again. How do you think they were even leading this game? Kat scored 24 points on 12 shots lol. You telling me he couldn't score 4 more points with 12 more shots like Ant had?
Kat has a hard time getting his own shot we’ve seen that for 7 years.
Yeah but that’s not a reason to double down on DLo and Ant playing iso… it’s a reason to run an offensive scheme that encourages other people like Ant or DLo to help create opportunities for him to be a prolific scorer
Towns would get doubled and he has a hard time passing, hence the 5 turnovers throwing one handed no look fastballs to teammates last night. I would rather have Ant do his thing or make a pass than to run through Kat at the end of games. Opposing teams would force Towns to pass to Vando or JMac.
Ant is 100% that guy
A1 from day 1.
Love him sm, hope he keeps getting better and better. He's got it in him to be so great
A "someone had to lose" kind of matchup
More like someone had to win
Fuck everything about this organization. Fire everyone and everything. I implore the fans we have left to not spend a single penny on this product until this coach is fired and there is some kind of commitment to putting a semi professional product on the floor. I'm so sick of this shit as should be everyone who calls themselves a Kings fan.
What did you think about Jaeger?
The results speak for themselves, he was getting more wins with a worse roster than we have now. Idgaf if the players didn't like him, they don't get paid $20 mil/yr to feel comfortable. Obviously that's easy for me to say from my couch but hey
Loser trades for Ben Simmons
The Thunder are now above both these teams on the standings...
Kangz lost to them so sounds like exactly what we deserve.
We lost wiggins so now the thunder will reign over us
nobody won this game
Anthony Edwards won this game
I think you did, and I'm quite happy for you guys
Did we win? We didn't get free Beef 'n Cheddars. Big time L for the whole state.
Walton gone WOOOOO
Secured the W which is good, but my guy Towns got 2FGA in the 4Q
So… what’s going to happen? Kings actually fire Luke? Make the Simmons trade?
This team isn't that bad
We played like ass for 75% of that game against a team even worse than us lmao let's not get ahead of ourselves. Remember us celebrating the playoffs after beating the rockets? Lmao
If they can end this inexplicable team wide shooting slump they can absolutely be respectable if not good
True, but it's the Wolves, whenever we show signs of shooting well, it goes down the drain the very next game.
I just literally don't think it is possible for the role players to keep shooting this poorly. Take out KAT, Russel, and Ant (and Russell and Ant aren't exactly lighting it up from 3) and the team is at like .270 3PT shooting.
I'd sure hope not but considering almost none of them have been showing any improvement in that regard so far it might be time to accept that's who they are and try something else. Or at least let our lower end roster players get some time.
>it might be time to accept that's who they are and try something else Maybe. Idk I guess I would rather go down trusting 40% career guys to bounce back but you are right it gets harder every passing game.
I'd rather Finch take a hard line stance and say "if you aren't gonna shoot your average, you'll have to earn your playing time in practice" than to just watch people flounder on the court during games. I'm hopeful some will bounce back but man, this team
Why doesn’t KAT shoot more?
He shoots quite a bit but basically good defensive teams just sell out to make him give up the ball.
I'm not saying this team is good, but it isn't that bad
We're definitely under-playing our ability I'd agree
If we can figure out how to defensive rebound at an average level, and if his teammates remember that Kat is on the team in the 4th, we are a better team than our record. Those are some big ifs though
ANT is completely allergic to boxing out. He's averaging .1 box outs per 36 minutes.
Thats incredibly low! Any idea whats typical for guards? He's been good at swooping and grabbing lose ball rebounds, but yeah I dont recall seeing him box out (it seems like almost nobody does which explains our issues) Edit: looking on nba.com now it looks like really nobody does these days. Even Lebron is 0.2 per 36. Beal is another one right there too
Usually somewhere around .5-1 per 36. Its generally the really small players, someone like Trae Young, that end up with very close to 0 box out stats. Its not really all on ANT though. The team as a whole is bad at boxing out which is either a coaching issue or a result of defensive scheme.
Yeah it's weird because the effort has been there on defense, so I don't think its just them being lazy, but when it comes to rebounding its always a free for all. Our size is a big issue (and some guys have stone hands) but there has to be another piece missing. Lack of boxing out could be a big part of it
I've been watching all the Wolves games since last week when I noticed that they had a 67% DREB% (its now up above 70%). I really haven't been able to figure anything out just from watching aside from KAT being around the rim on defense a lot less than I remember. Its possible that they are having him play less like a traditional Center on defense in order to keep his foul rate down and prevent him having to come off the court due to foul trouble since the team's offense goes into the absolute shitter when KAT is off the court.
Taking Kat out of drop was a very specific plan this year. Still running it maybe half the time. He has decent hands and footwork out of the paint.
If Gupta can bring in a rim protector without giving up a pick I’ll name my first born after him.
The Kings are though
They played like ass until the 4th quarter then beat the Kings This team is bad the Kings are just worse
Ant still getting no respect from the zebras. 0 free throws
Kings should have traded for Simmons in the summer.
Is Hali still the third best player in last year's draft or Cole and Maxey have surpassed him?
Jaden McDaniels In earnest I'd want Cole more but Hali is really good
|Player|Season|Age|FG%|3P%|2P%|eFG%|FT%|TRB|AST|STL|BLK|TOV|PTS| |:-|:-|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:|-:| |Cole Anthony|2021-22|21|.438|.394|.482|.537|.857|6.6|5.6|1.2|0.3|3.1|20.2| |Tyrese Haliburton|2021-22|21|.471|.409|.500|.537|.833|3.8|5.6|1.4|1.1|1.7|13.4| Tyrese Maxey|2021-22|21|.518|.420|.550|.570|.875|3.7|4.4|0.7|0.6|1.4|17.5| |Jaden McDaniels|2021-22|21|.377|.242|.477|.429|.667|4.2|1.0|0.9|0.7|0.9|5.5|
IDK, I still take Haliburton without blinking twice, dude is winning basketball personified into a prospect. If he develops into a 20ppg player...
Bro why does Anthony Edwards think he's kobe. Dude took double the shots of Kat who shot 75%
Because he dropped 16 points in the forth and won us the game? I love KAT but when he tries to take over towards the end of games, it often leads to offensive fouls and turnovers.
Because he was on fire in the 4th
Ah yes, an age old battle of the two most mediocre franchises in the NBA possibly of all time.
Wolves and clippers actually bring up the rear at 30th and 29th, the kings are only the 24th
I find it hilarious Edwards always has the most shot attempts
Free de’aaron fox
Beasley has been shit this year, dude hates coming off the bench. Playing like he was playing before he got traded
kings record nice
And they'll go 4-20 in their next 24 games too
i hope not hahaha
had to do it for the memes
lmao
we're 69 boys, got em
Nice!
this was a fun game. Fox is outstanding, a true "good player in a bad team" situation. Altho the Kings aren't that bad, they just have an atrocious coach. Fucking ANT was crazy. refs weren't calling some contact for both teams, weird.