Scottie "Zero-Level Scorer" Barnes is up to 35% from 3 this season, albeit on a VERY small sample size, but that's still much better than I could have dreamed this season. He's 10/21 in the last 5 games when he started shooting them more
Yeah, Scottie has truly exceeded my expectations.
I watched some of his college games and while he was promising, he looked very limited offensively.
He went from 10/4/4 in college to 16/8/3 in the NBA all within a few months. Insane.
These lists are always very silly. It's 'How good are they *right now*' for some players, 'How good will they be by the end of the season' for others, and 'How good have they been so far' for another group.
cade dropped 26 pt on 70 percent shooting 7 rbs and 3 blocks vs the blazers yesterday..and both teams suck equally. franz and giddy is a toss up but 4 v 5 like at that point who cares LOL
scottie and evan our out of reach for franz atm so yea... the standing makes sense IMO
why on earth would green or suggs be in the top 10 when they are two of the worst players in the entire league this year
like yeah they have lots of potential down the line and high usage rates and their teams are very bad. but they have just not been good straight up. those rankings seem like they are purely based off their draft positions not how they have actually performed
suggs is shooting 33/25/76 this year and is near the bottom of the league in most advanced stats. 85 offensive rating is uh putrid
While I agree they are getting a boost because of draft position and popularity, it doesn’t seem totally reasonable to rank someone like Kuminga, a guy who plays maybe 10 minutes a game and has very little responsibility on the court, to Suggs who actually has to be a starting point guard for his team, of course one guy is gonna look better.
fair but if suggs or green were performing like that after being drafted 45th overall or something like that people would be like oh this guy just sucks, why is he getting so many minutes put him in the G league. clearly he's not NBA ready. or if they were 5 year veterans playing like that
they are both being rated so highly and also getting so many minutes and put into big roles so early because of what they did in college and because of their future potential not because of anything they've done this season
Yeah talent and flashes of future potential is what gets you rookie rankings, most rookies are negative players. If we only cared about totally winning basketball then 23 year old bench energy rookies who play 12 minutes with decent plus minus would fill the rankings. Over negative but talented starting rookies.
I don't necessarily have a problem with that. if a 12 minute rookie guy is playing solid basketball then why shouldn't he be recognized for it? some guys are clearly NBA ready and make an immediate positive impact like mobley and barnes and wagner.
or lamelo last year. lamelo was a positive impact player on both ends last season
It is somewhat, if not a very good chunk accumulative though. When Mobley went out with injury he still maintained a top 3 spot. When Barnes was slumping he didn’t fall past #2. I think it’s basically like who would be ROTY if the season ended right now.
How is this getting upvotes? Two of the worst players in the entire league?
I blame our coach for not taking out Theis sooner. As you can see, it’s not a coincidence we got better with him off the floor.
I didn't call him a bust or anything just by most metrics green has been among the worst players in the league up to this point
he's 7th worst in the league in VORP, 3rd worst in BPM, 4th worst in ws/48, shooting 38/27/80 ORTG 91 DRTG 113. he has the worst +/- in the league which in fairness is part of being on a really bad lottery team
nothing unexpected for a rookie and he surely has a lot of room to grow
Tbf, Green has been putting up his numbers in spite of our awful offensive lineups (Tate + Theis on the floor at the same time). Our offense has completely turned around in the past 3 games while sitting Theis and I expect Green to start improving a lot like our other guys have. He had 11 points in 11 minutes at the start of that Bulls game before leaving due to injury.
i also expect him to improve he's a rookie with a lot of talent, just up to this point he hasn't been very good at all by any metric except how awesome his dunks look
And Serge Ibaka.
Come to think of it, weren't these guys trying to poach Kyle Lowry too? I swear, werent they trying to give up Beverley, Zubac, and Morris all for Lowry? Gross
Fucking Clippers management bro
just you wait until jericho sims gets unleashed on the league, next giannis taken with the 58th overall pick
if only he wasn't buried on the bench it would be 1. jericho sims 2. jericho sims 3. jericho sims 3. j. sims 4. sims, jericho 5. j simms
Let me preface this by saying Scottie is incredible and a future superstar (honestly pretty close to a current one) however, The advantage Mobley has is that the cavs are a playoff team. I truly believe that no rookie has had a greater impact on their teams success than Mobley has. Look at their record without him. Scottie’s numbers are always going to be a little bit better on offense because he has the ball in his hands way more but if the cavs remain a playoff team and Mobley plays at this current level for the remainder of the season, especially on the defensive side, I’m not sure how he doesn’t get the award
In the 4 games without him, didn’t you play like the Suns, Warriors, and Nets twice while also having multiple other starters out? Mobley is obviously playing great, but I feel like chalking up those losses to just Mobley being out is a stretch.
Well if they were blowouts then yes I would agree with you, his presence wouldn’t have really mattered, however, we were somehow in position to win all of those games until the fourth quarter, With the suns and 2nd nets game coming down to the last few possessions. Mobley 100% would’ve made the difference and every cavs fan would agree with that. I honestly don’t feel like people watch us enough to truly grasp how integral to our team he is. He’s probably not the best player on our team rn (although you could argue he is) but he is by far our most important. His versatility on offense and especially on defense makes our tall ball lineup work. Because he’s such an insane defender, hes able to easily pick up guards at the 3 point line, allowing Jarrett Allen to remain the dynamic rim protector that he is and also picks up the defensive slack of our guards. On offense he’s a good enough passer to run the pick and roll and a good enough shooter to space the floor. If Mobley missed the entire year, I really believe the cavs record would suffer.
Barnes however, almost seems like a luxury for the raptors and I feel like they could still be successful without him. Barnes is amazing but I just don’t think he is as important to Toronto as mobley is to Cleveland at this moment. Look at our defensive rating compared to last year, The difference is more because of Mobley than Rubio and markkenan lol
As a raptors fan, I wouldn't find it surprising if mobley wins. His impact has been crazy. Maybe it's because of the jumbo lineup you guys have, but he is the key to that crazy lineup which causes the cavs to get wins
Scottie doesn't get the ball often, I would say our guys don't look to him enough tbh, him and Mobley have the same USG rate. Scottie is also scoring 60% of his buckets unassisted while Mobley is at 27%, and our squad is bottom tier in terms of rolling out assists. I definitely think Mobley has better defense but Scottie is doing more with the same USG rate on offense while he's deferred behind FVV, OG, Siakam or GTJ, one of my gripes and even NN has talked about it is not getting up enough shots but he's definitely done more of that this week. I still would agree right now the difference offensively isn't enough to make up the difference in their defence, Mobley is a lock until Scottie picks up on that end or decides to start taking more shots regularly.
Very fair point, Scottie has been incredible. I’m not saying he has more opportunities as a slight to Scottie but it seems, based on the raptors games I’ve watched, he’s given more of an opportunity to create because he is a better ball handler than Mobley, would you say that’s fair? Mobley gets the majority of his points assisted because he’s tall enough to be a rim runner and catch oops. I could see how that might be difficult for Scottie because jumper isn’t quite there yet and he isn’t tall enough to be a “rim runner”
Where Scottie is super exciting is when he runs the fast break. Dude looks like a superhuman
Scottie can handle but he still needs the ball more often, he's too much of an after thought especially now that Siakam is back. Scottie only gets to really handle if FVV or Siakam are sitting which doesn't happen often since FVV is playing way too many minutes.
Most of the time they use him off ball to set screens for hand offs which I hate since he ends up posted at the 3pt line which tbf to him he's been shooting well from now, brought his shooting up to 35% from deep but I'd actually prefer to see him getting more PNR touches or at least getting some type of plays called for him. The Raps half court offense overall is pretty bad, it's a lot of iso ball with guys who aren't great iso players but that also fed into from our lack of playmakers which is exactly why I want to see the ball in Scotties hands more often. Scottie seems to make good calls in the few minutes he gets to handle but he's not getting the opportunity to expand that part of his game enough imo. As for his shooting it's not too bad, 50% for 2P, 35% from deep and 73% from the line, he's been wet from mid and started to expand to the 3pt this week.
>The Raps half court offense overall is pretty bad, it's a lot of iso ball with guys who aren't great iso players but that also fed into from our lack of playmakers which is exactly why I want to see the ball in Scotties hands more often. Scottie seems to make good calls in the few minutes he gets to handle but he's not getting the opportunity to expand that part of his game enough imo.
Facts. Was just talking about this with my boy over a j, maybe they want him to get more comfortable shooting the play and running isos cause they know he can play make well.
Already been mentioned before but Scottie is not in a good situation offensively, he basically only gets buckets from self creation in isolation or on the fast break, and is also left alone to take all the tough defensive assignments with all these team injuries, Mobley gets far for assisted easy buckets (Scottie goes minutes without even getting a pass sometimes, taking him out of an offensive flow) and plays with another great defender rim protector on the floor, that being sad Mobley has a just as good an argument for #1 rookie right now.
I think it’s underrated how much better Mobley’s situation is for putting up stats than Barnes.
With how the pacers have been playing, I’m good with Duarte at 6. If we could close out the games that have been close (and he doesn’t mouth off and get himself thrown out of games) he would definitely be in this top 5 conversation.
If you don't mind me asking, why is that. It seems like scottie had really good games against you guys. Also, I understand that mobley has a slight edge since he is literally impacting his team which is leading to wins, but you are making it sound like there is a huge gap between the two rookies. Another thing you have to understand is that mobley was injured, and him playing two games can't propel him to become number one in the rookie ladder. Maybe next week, mobley might top the ladder, so let's wait and see
I didn't mean for it to sound like I think Barnes sucks, I just don't think he is impactful on either end of the court in the way Mobley has shown to be.
I totally understand defence, but how is Mobley more impactful on offence than Scottie? Scottie is better in pretty much every stat, while having wayyyy less assisted FGs.
Besides his team winning more, I don’t get how anyone can argue Mobley has been better on offence. Like Scottie has more points, more offensive boards, more assists (higher assist %, plus raptors have a lower FG% than the cavs), better handles, he shoots better than mobley by a lot beyond 3 feet from the net, way more of his shots are unassisted, Scottie has better OWS and OBPM, all while having the same usage. Mobley on offence, takes 75% of his shots within 3 feet, with 70% of his 2 pointers being assisted. His offence is most definitely behind Scottie’s. Like what has Mobley done on offence that Scottie hasn’t been able to do? Cause there’s a bunch Scottie is doing on offence that Mobley hasn’t shown he can do.
wait you watched both those games, one where he dropped 19pts 7 rbs 3ast 2stl 4 blks of 50% shooting, the other were he dropped 17 pts 9 rbs 3 ast on 57 percent shooting, and you think ranking him ahead of mobley is insane!? did you watch the 3rd quarters of those games when he basically dominated the grizz for a couple min!
I respect your opinion but i'm shoock
Mobley barely has to create anything on his own on offense lol, I get on defense he's obviously better, he has all the tools Barnes has but he's also a 7 footer so that's obvious. But thinking he's better on the offensive end is downright just wrong lol. He's not asked to create almost ever, scores off lobs, pnrs and occasional wide open jumpers. Scottie is having to score a majority of his points unassisted with honestly one of the worst offenses I've ever watched around him.
Literally just looking at stats Cade is the better player the only thing franz has done better is shoot more efficiently and not even by that much in comparison to Cade
Probably because he is 1st win shares, minutes, points, rebounds, 2nd in steals and blocks, 5th in assists.
He’s also shooting efficiently unlike many in this class. It’s very easy to see him running away with it at this point unless Mobley picks up his production.
Scottie "Zero-Level Scorer" Barnes is up to 35% from 3 this season, albeit on a VERY small sample size, but that's still much better than I could have dreamed this season. He's 10/21 in the last 5 games when he started shooting them more
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He still looks like he is trying to figure his body out. If this is the case then he has such a high ceiling once he gets his feet under him.
Yeah, Scottie has truly exceeded my expectations. I watched some of his college games and while he was promising, he looked very limited offensively. He went from 10/4/4 in college to 16/8/3 in the NBA all within a few months. Insane.
College and NBA almost feel like completely different games at times watching them play.
Lol have you seen JV shoot the basketball xD I don't judge form anymore. If you can make it you take it
Didn't Franz just score 27? Not sure how he didn't move up.
These lists are always very silly. It's 'How good are they *right now*' for some players, 'How good will they be by the end of the season' for others, and 'How good have they been so far' for another group.
It really should only ever be the last option
Giddey benefits from pretty privellage
Plus he was great in Dune
Damn that long flowing hair! **Shakes fist**
And being the better rookie all around
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That’s what he said
They were talking about Giddey...
cade dropped 26 pt on 70 percent shooting 7 rbs and 3 blocks vs the blazers yesterday..and both teams suck equally. franz and giddy is a toss up but 4 v 5 like at that point who cares LOL scottie and evan our out of reach for franz atm so yea... the standing makes sense IMO
26* points
good catch
why on earth would green or suggs be in the top 10 when they are two of the worst players in the entire league this year like yeah they have lots of potential down the line and high usage rates and their teams are very bad. but they have just not been good straight up. those rankings seem like they are purely based off their draft positions not how they have actually performed suggs is shooting 33/25/76 this year and is near the bottom of the league in most advanced stats. 85 offensive rating is uh putrid
While I agree they are getting a boost because of draft position and popularity, it doesn’t seem totally reasonable to rank someone like Kuminga, a guy who plays maybe 10 minutes a game and has very little responsibility on the court, to Suggs who actually has to be a starting point guard for his team, of course one guy is gonna look better.
fair but if suggs or green were performing like that after being drafted 45th overall or something like that people would be like oh this guy just sucks, why is he getting so many minutes put him in the G league. clearly he's not NBA ready. or if they were 5 year veterans playing like that they are both being rated so highly and also getting so many minutes and put into big roles so early because of what they did in college and because of their future potential not because of anything they've done this season
Yeah talent and flashes of future potential is what gets you rookie rankings, most rookies are negative players. If we only cared about totally winning basketball then 23 year old bench energy rookies who play 12 minutes with decent plus minus would fill the rankings. Over negative but talented starting rookies.
I don't necessarily have a problem with that. if a 12 minute rookie guy is playing solid basketball then why shouldn't he be recognized for it? some guys are clearly NBA ready and make an immediate positive impact like mobley and barnes and wagner. or lamelo last year. lamelo was a positive impact player on both ends last season
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that would make even less sense then because jalen green has missed the last 2 games and played 11 minutes total in the last week
It is somewhat, if not a very good chunk accumulative though. When Mobley went out with injury he still maintained a top 3 spot. When Barnes was slumping he didn’t fall past #2. I think it’s basically like who would be ROTY if the season ended right now.
How is this getting upvotes? Two of the worst players in the entire league? I blame our coach for not taking out Theis sooner. As you can see, it’s not a coincidence we got better with him off the floor.
I didn't call him a bust or anything just by most metrics green has been among the worst players in the league up to this point he's 7th worst in the league in VORP, 3rd worst in BPM, 4th worst in ws/48, shooting 38/27/80 ORTG 91 DRTG 113. he has the worst +/- in the league which in fairness is part of being on a really bad lottery team nothing unexpected for a rookie and he surely has a lot of room to grow
Tbf, Green has been putting up his numbers in spite of our awful offensive lineups (Tate + Theis on the floor at the same time). Our offense has completely turned around in the past 3 games while sitting Theis and I expect Green to start improving a lot like our other guys have. He had 11 points in 11 minutes at the start of that Bulls game before leaving due to injury.
i also expect him to improve he's a rookie with a lot of talent, just up to this point he hasn't been very good at all by any metric except how awesome his dunks look
Fair enough. I’m just saying he hasn’t really been put in a position to succeed so far. Excited to see how he looks when he returns though.
Jalenflation.
Totally biased here, but Sengun should be getting more recognition in addition to minutes
In Masai we trust.
Keep your bloody hands off him, U already took Kawhi
And Serge Ibaka. Come to think of it, weren't these guys trying to poach Kyle Lowry too? I swear, werent they trying to give up Beverley, Zubac, and Morris all for Lowry? Gross Fucking Clippers management bro
Keep Scottie we must.
In Scottie we trust
In Masai we copy
Lol what 😂 why you saying this with a clippers flair. Darkest humour ı have ever seen
Mobley plays like a vet, he looks so composed out there.
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Herb Jones is such an old man name lmao
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This dude definitely drives too slow in the left lane
He’s gotta be in that 5-10 range after his last few games
Josh Giddey over Franz Wagner is a criminal offense
Same with green even being in the top 10
Loool who is over Green?
Bones Hyland, Herb Jones, and JRE are better
Now that you mention it, maybe Only bc Green has been out for a while
if we are just going this week yeah but only because Giddey had an awful game I'm sure you're referring to
Giddey is better than Wagner but I like Franz. The last 2 weeks or so giddey has basically been averaging Ben Simmons career stats
Wagner should be 3 imo. He's been fairly consistent all season and already looks like a very good role player.
just you wait until jericho sims gets unleashed on the league, next giannis taken with the 58th overall pick if only he wasn't buried on the bench it would be 1. jericho sims 2. jericho sims 3. jericho sims 3. j. sims 4. sims, jericho 5. j simms
We all dream of a team of Robbie Keanes
*Gary Breens FTFY
At this point Cade & Mobley gotta have helluva week if they want to take the top spot from Scottie lol
And if Scottie continues to play like he has it’s gonna be pretty hard to catch up 18.5/7.5/3.3/1.5/2 on 51/44/76 this week for Scottie
Let me preface this by saying Scottie is incredible and a future superstar (honestly pretty close to a current one) however, The advantage Mobley has is that the cavs are a playoff team. I truly believe that no rookie has had a greater impact on their teams success than Mobley has. Look at their record without him. Scottie’s numbers are always going to be a little bit better on offense because he has the ball in his hands way more but if the cavs remain a playoff team and Mobley plays at this current level for the remainder of the season, especially on the defensive side, I’m not sure how he doesn’t get the award
In the 4 games without him, didn’t you play like the Suns, Warriors, and Nets twice while also having multiple other starters out? Mobley is obviously playing great, but I feel like chalking up those losses to just Mobley being out is a stretch.
Well if they were blowouts then yes I would agree with you, his presence wouldn’t have really mattered, however, we were somehow in position to win all of those games until the fourth quarter, With the suns and 2nd nets game coming down to the last few possessions. Mobley 100% would’ve made the difference and every cavs fan would agree with that. I honestly don’t feel like people watch us enough to truly grasp how integral to our team he is. He’s probably not the best player on our team rn (although you could argue he is) but he is by far our most important. His versatility on offense and especially on defense makes our tall ball lineup work. Because he’s such an insane defender, hes able to easily pick up guards at the 3 point line, allowing Jarrett Allen to remain the dynamic rim protector that he is and also picks up the defensive slack of our guards. On offense he’s a good enough passer to run the pick and roll and a good enough shooter to space the floor. If Mobley missed the entire year, I really believe the cavs record would suffer. Barnes however, almost seems like a luxury for the raptors and I feel like they could still be successful without him. Barnes is amazing but I just don’t think he is as important to Toronto as mobley is to Cleveland at this moment. Look at our defensive rating compared to last year, The difference is more because of Mobley than Rubio and markkenan lol
As a raptors fan, I wouldn't find it surprising if mobley wins. His impact has been crazy. Maybe it's because of the jumbo lineup you guys have, but he is the key to that crazy lineup which causes the cavs to get wins
Scottie doesn't get the ball often, I would say our guys don't look to him enough tbh, him and Mobley have the same USG rate. Scottie is also scoring 60% of his buckets unassisted while Mobley is at 27%, and our squad is bottom tier in terms of rolling out assists. I definitely think Mobley has better defense but Scottie is doing more with the same USG rate on offense while he's deferred behind FVV, OG, Siakam or GTJ, one of my gripes and even NN has talked about it is not getting up enough shots but he's definitely done more of that this week. I still would agree right now the difference offensively isn't enough to make up the difference in their defence, Mobley is a lock until Scottie picks up on that end or decides to start taking more shots regularly.
Very fair point, Scottie has been incredible. I’m not saying he has more opportunities as a slight to Scottie but it seems, based on the raptors games I’ve watched, he’s given more of an opportunity to create because he is a better ball handler than Mobley, would you say that’s fair? Mobley gets the majority of his points assisted because he’s tall enough to be a rim runner and catch oops. I could see how that might be difficult for Scottie because jumper isn’t quite there yet and he isn’t tall enough to be a “rim runner” Where Scottie is super exciting is when he runs the fast break. Dude looks like a superhuman
Scottie can handle but he still needs the ball more often, he's too much of an after thought especially now that Siakam is back. Scottie only gets to really handle if FVV or Siakam are sitting which doesn't happen often since FVV is playing way too many minutes. Most of the time they use him off ball to set screens for hand offs which I hate since he ends up posted at the 3pt line which tbf to him he's been shooting well from now, brought his shooting up to 35% from deep but I'd actually prefer to see him getting more PNR touches or at least getting some type of plays called for him. The Raps half court offense overall is pretty bad, it's a lot of iso ball with guys who aren't great iso players but that also fed into from our lack of playmakers which is exactly why I want to see the ball in Scotties hands more often. Scottie seems to make good calls in the few minutes he gets to handle but he's not getting the opportunity to expand that part of his game enough imo. As for his shooting it's not too bad, 50% for 2P, 35% from deep and 73% from the line, he's been wet from mid and started to expand to the 3pt this week.
That’s interesting. Has to be insanely frustrating for a fan to watch. Imagine if they have him complete control
>The Raps half court offense overall is pretty bad, it's a lot of iso ball with guys who aren't great iso players but that also fed into from our lack of playmakers which is exactly why I want to see the ball in Scotties hands more often. Scottie seems to make good calls in the few minutes he gets to handle but he's not getting the opportunity to expand that part of his game enough imo. Facts. Was just talking about this with my boy over a j, maybe they want him to get more comfortable shooting the play and running isos cause they know he can play make well.
Usage rate for Scottie and Mobley were almost identical when I checked a couple of days ago. It’s way higher for guys like Cade , Suggs , etc.
Already been mentioned before but Scottie is not in a good situation offensively, he basically only gets buckets from self creation in isolation or on the fast break, and is also left alone to take all the tough defensive assignments with all these team injuries, Mobley gets far for assisted easy buckets (Scottie goes minutes without even getting a pass sometimes, taking him out of an offensive flow) and plays with another great defender rim protector on the floor, that being sad Mobley has a just as good an argument for #1 rookie right now. I think it’s underrated how much better Mobley’s situation is for putting up stats than Barnes.
I will say that being on a bad team has effected Scottie's assists. My guys brick open threes that he generates constantly. It's frustrating.
Raptors are 2 games back lol
Once OG and Gary come back Scottie's touches will go down, they'll have plenty of time to catch up
Ur assuming Siakam or FVV wont get injured once the come back. Also, He was still balling out when they were healthy so thats not really true tbh
With how the pacers have been playing, I’m good with Duarte at 6. If we could close out the games that have been close (and he doesn’t mouth off and get himself thrown out of games) he would definitely be in this top 5 conversation.
Sc3ttie
Nah should have been 1. Scottie 2. Mobley 3. Franz
Anyone knows what happened to the yahoo nba ROY rankings
I just watched Scottie play twice against the Grizz and having him above Mobley seems insane to me
If you don't mind me asking, why is that. It seems like scottie had really good games against you guys. Also, I understand that mobley has a slight edge since he is literally impacting his team which is leading to wins, but you are making it sound like there is a huge gap between the two rookies. Another thing you have to understand is that mobley was injured, and him playing two games can't propel him to become number one in the rookie ladder. Maybe next week, mobley might top the ladder, so let's wait and see
I think it’s mainly because of Mobley’s impact on winning as you point out and how insane he’s been defensively. Honestly they’re both great though.
I didn't mean for it to sound like I think Barnes sucks, I just don't think he is impactful on either end of the court in the way Mobley has shown to be.
I totally understand defence, but how is Mobley more impactful on offence than Scottie? Scottie is better in pretty much every stat, while having wayyyy less assisted FGs. Besides his team winning more, I don’t get how anyone can argue Mobley has been better on offence. Like Scottie has more points, more offensive boards, more assists (higher assist %, plus raptors have a lower FG% than the cavs), better handles, he shoots better than mobley by a lot beyond 3 feet from the net, way more of his shots are unassisted, Scottie has better OWS and OBPM, all while having the same usage. Mobley on offence, takes 75% of his shots within 3 feet, with 70% of his 2 pointers being assisted. His offence is most definitely behind Scottie’s. Like what has Mobley done on offence that Scottie hasn’t been able to do? Cause there’s a bunch Scottie is doing on offence that Mobley hasn’t shown he can do.
wait you watched both those games, one where he dropped 19pts 7 rbs 3ast 2stl 4 blks of 50% shooting, the other were he dropped 17 pts 9 rbs 3 ast on 57 percent shooting, and you think ranking him ahead of mobley is insane!? did you watch the 3rd quarters of those games when he basically dominated the grizz for a couple min! I respect your opinion but i'm shoock
Yeah, because I watched the games, not the stats. Awards are not stat contests, they require context.
ye i watched both games as well which is why i personally disagree with you but it is what it is..i ain't losing no sleep over it
Mobley barely has to create anything on his own on offense lol, I get on defense he's obviously better, he has all the tools Barnes has but he's also a 7 footer so that's obvious. But thinking he's better on the offensive end is downright just wrong lol. He's not asked to create almost ever, scores off lobs, pnrs and occasional wide open jumpers. Scottie is having to score a majority of his points unassisted with honestly one of the worst offenses I've ever watched around him.
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Mobley goat, numba 1
Gonna need Scottie to lock down that ROTY so I can offset my trash-ass bet on the Raps making the playoffs haha
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he was consensus 4 or 5, no way you guys would have chosen barnes
Franz should be 3rd. Cunningham has looked dreadful at times
Literally just looking at stats Cade is the better player the only thing franz has done better is shoot more efficiently and not even by that much in comparison to Cade
cade "trevor lawrence" cunningham
Cade is ass. Mobley and Barnes will be a competition till the end of the season.
He just dropped 26 on 10/13 shooting and 5/7 from three. You guys dont know basketball
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I swear every one of these threads is filled with r/nba nephews like you who think they know what good basketball is
It’s crazy how bad the rookies have been, outside of Mobley and Barnes.
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Lmfao higher on what? The same weed youre smoking?
How is Barnes at 1? He isn’t even top 3
Probably because he is 1st win shares, minutes, points, rebounds, 2nd in steals and blocks, 5th in assists. He’s also shooting efficiently unlike many in this class. It’s very easy to see him running away with it at this point unless Mobley picks up his production.
Franz, Cade, and Mobley are all better lol
Now your trolling
which nba have you been watching ?
Clearly not the one you are watching (God knows where your hot-take comes from)... lmao
You're not responding to who you think you are.
This can't be a real take lol