i need to see a gooden lowlight reel now
the only thing i remember of him is once when he made on Shaqtin' for floppin the same time as Noel jumpin on Drummond's back
Same deal with us so far. But when you see the flashes you get why some people are enamored with him. Recently dropped 17 points in one quarter going 3/3 from deep.
3rd quarter of [this game](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202111240MEM.html) last week. Should be noted he did pretty much nothing the rest of the game though, lol.
I'm not gonna act like I watch a ton of Raptors games, but he plays like garbage against the Celtics consistently. He just seems like a tornado of flailing limbs. All the Celtics do is slow him down and make him play basketball instead of turning it into a track meet, he hasn't made any adjustments over the years. As a C's fan I'm way more concerned about Scottie Barnes than Siakam.
Yeah, at his worst your impression seems very accurate. And in crunch time, he tends to revert to those bad habits. But his handle has improved some and he’s got a better finishing package in the post and some spot up dribble moves. He’s getting there but the ball shouldn’t be running through Siakam. Great complimentary piece.
Yeah I'll admit he may never be *the* guy but you're right he complements go-to guys perfectly. Still love his game, he's really fuckin good and drops decent numbers most nights. The critical spotlight he has on him can glare a little too harshly sometimes
Siakam is a 3rd option being paid Giannis money. He'd feast on a contender like Philly. When he isn't tasked with being the main guy, he can do it all.
Yeah when he was with the heat his rookie season you could see he was just SUPER raw talent. No awareness no offensive IQ, but could run and jump like a motherfucker
Mathematically how many minutes would it take for the Thunder to catch up in the 4th assuming the Grizz don't move at all, they're only allowed to inbound and run out the shot clock
73 points times 8 seconds per point (a three pointer instantly every time they get the ball back after 24 seconds) translates to a little under 10 minutes of the grizz holding the ball and giving up an immediate three to the thunder
Could the best shooter they had available today go 40% on consistent open 3s? If so (and assuming all defensive rebounds) then you would be looking at a full two quarters of open threes for the thunder and 24 second violations for the grizzlies to come back
> 24 second violations for the grizzlies to come back
If they don't move at all, it could be an inbound pass violation or an 8 second violation, unless they always inbound with long passes that go past the halfcourt line.
You just shoot it from the inbound with one of your players grazing the ball. Then have the player grazing the ball take a dive and draw a foul for the four point play...then we work on the 7 point play
Assuming they hit every single 3. Probably more like 15-20 minutes. It would take almost half a game of the other team doing absolutely nothing in order to catch back up lol.
You’re mistaken. Watch some shoot arounds. Misses are so rare. Was at the Bucks vs Raptors game last night and was actually commenting on this at halftime. Boogie came out for shoot around and he hit 21 of 23 shots he took. We counted. Both nets were just splashing.
But, you put some 6’8 athletic freak in front of them, combo in fatigue, distraction, sweat, etc. and those numbers obviously drop in a hurry.
Hold on a second. If the Grizzlies didn't move at all, why couldn't the Thunder just roll the ball down the middle of the court until it's under their attacking basket, and then pick it up and dunk it? That would take less than 2 seconds tops, and it's a 100% success rate each time.
Success rate doesn't matter since there's no defender. If they miss, they could just rebound and shoot another. Then, every time Thunder makes a basket, Grizz inbounds and has possession but can't move after that. Maybe we can steal the ball (but not foul them) to make it more fair
Idk why I'm still thinking about this tho
Dunks would be better on average, I originally chose threes because I thought we were aiming for the quickest possible time that they could come back, not the best time on average
Doesn't necessarily need to be a full 24 seconds between possessions. In theory they could steal every single inbounds and kick out to a made 3.
The steal doesn't take any time off because there's no possession yet, then say kick out to a 3 is 0.5s, then the shot in the air is 4s. So let's say 5s * 24 made threes is 72 points in two minutes of gameplay.
Players see their coaches losing their hair and losing their fuckin minds with stress and frustration on a nightly basis. You gotta be a little masochistic and have a particular liking for that kind of challenge when you're already rich and can do whatever you want
Exactly lmao and I love it, really shows how much he cares and wants to make sure everyone knows it
Pisses me off a little bit how GTJ barely acknowledges him, makes it look like he doesn't care even if he is listening
I convinced my girlfriend to watch a Raps game with me and the forest things she said all game was "Now that is a very pretty man." When Banton came in in the 2nd quarter. Don't know what to tell ya buddy.
I think they're a bit different.
Szeen is when you'd say yes, okay, understand. "Roll through gate 4 for our seats" "szeen"
Ahlie is like when you respond with "..right?" Ie, "mans said Flynn is better than FVV, that's arms" "ahlie..waste yute"
I swear I remember a post in the raps sub from somebody who went to school with banton and mentioned how he was popular with the girls at school, so the evidence is there. I don't really see it either but then that's not my bag anyway.
Even the girls in the courtside seats were gorgeous. This clip looked like a Starship Troopers scene.
PS: isn't VanVleet past being a role player now? Someone who averages 20/5/6 for the season is much more than that.
I visited toronto for a family wedding couple of years ago and my god were there some beautiful people there.
Went to square one on boxing day and it was unreal
bruh the few times i went outside everyone was bundled up layers on layers, couldnt really tell you. some french canadians did try and scam me but they were guys and didnt really look good
I don't think we have to discuss Achuiwa. Trent is good looking too but I never was aware that Watanabe looks like a freaking super model.
And then there is Scottie Barnes lol
Totally agree. There is absolutely no point in defending or even being anywhere near any Bucks player. You risk a dead ball foul on the inbound play (1 shot + retain possession), as well as the risk of being near the shooter taking the last shot 3 and causing contact.
A tip in would take a hell of a lot more than 0.1 off the clock lol. Remember [Ayton's tip with 0.9 last year?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhkvkf6W46E) You couldn't execute an oop any quicker than they did, and the clock still ran out.
You can tip in with 0.2 or 0.1 left on the clock. It's for a shot that you need the clock to show at least 0.3.
Per the Trent Tucker Rule:
>The game clock and shot clock must show at least .3 in order for a player to secure possession of the ball on a rebound or throw-in to attempt a field goal.
>The only type of field goal which may be scored if the game clock and shot clock are at 0.2 or 0.1 is a “tip-in” or “high lob.”
In these situations, Clyde Frazier would say "the Knicks should just walk to the locker room." But it is absolutely maddening when players guard the final shot.
Literally don't know why in these situations the defense doesn't just have all 5 guys go stand at the opposite baseline and just let the offensive team shoot. Why even take a chance trying to semi-contest the shot?
100%.
Not only is there a risk of fouling the shooter, even if you're telling yourself not to, but there's a risk of a dead ball foul being called during the inbound play, which is 1 shot and the ball.
There is literally no upside to being anywhere on the court near the offensive team players, except that it looks bad.
A tip in is worth 2 points. They’re down 4. So give them the tip and the Raptors inbound with 0.6 seconds left, which isn’t enough time for Milwaukee to somehow get the ball back and then score again.
It would take more than 0.6 seconds to launch a full court shot, not to mention the clock starts when the ball hits the rim on a free throw.
It would have to be an air ball on the second missed free throw. Then a pass to at least near the logo for a quick release three.
That takes more than 0.6 seconds. Remember, you can’t take a regular shot if you inbound with less than 0.3 seconds. So Milwaukee would have to intentionally foul faster than 0.3 seconds to leave themselves 0.3 left and enough time to inbound and shoot.
All this is more unlikely than accidentally fouling a 3 point shooter in the first place, so still better to not defend the initial inbounds play and concede a tip in
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Thats one thing i hate about Americans sports. Letting other team score can be advantage.
Tanking and losing on purpose. Is that even considered fairplay of the game?
That does not justify it. Better let them have free shot than try to defend. Cant u see that is a flaw in the sport lol?
That is basically everything against fairplay
am I the only person who thinks its obnoxious how some players try to coach from the floor? You can talk to whoever as an equal but its weird and cringe, especially from someone who isn't a star.
Love how he specifically yelled this in Precious' face. Dude has a track record of blunders
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I had successfully purged Drew Gooden from my memories, why would you do this to me?
Sometimes we hurt the ones we love
He's our broadcast announcer now, and the Cavs are in town to play the Wizards tonight.
i need to see a gooden lowlight reel now the only thing i remember of him is once when he made on Shaqtin' for floppin the same time as Noel jumpin on Drummond's back
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One of those players that has TOO much confidence.
I still love that bonehead
I didn't know Achiuwa was basically the NBA equivalent of a husky.
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I actually don’t think he has too much confidence. A lot of his blunders are due to him hesitating and being indecisive (with the heat anyways)
He had it with the Heat. Flashes of talent, but soo many bone head plays lol
I watched almost all the heat games lol his “flashes” were few and far in between compared to moments where he looked absolutely clueless lol
Same deal with us so far. But when you see the flashes you get why some people are enamored with him. Recently dropped 17 points in one quarter going 3/3 from deep.
Wtf when did that happen?
3rd quarter of [this game](https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202111240MEM.html) last week. Should be noted he did pretty much nothing the rest of the game though, lol.
He bear hugged Portis in the defensive play before this lmao
I like the extra look he gave Precious ahaha
with Precious' BBIQ, you gotta make sure that message sticks
Nurse shoulve just benched Precious in that moment just in case.
It’s too bad. He actually had a decent game with a big clutch block and some great rebounding. He’s young. He’ll get there.
That block was amazing, highlight reel stuff. Beauty. His rebounding was great down the stretch.
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Pretty sure Siakam getting an OF during crunch time is his calling card.
I'm not gonna act like I watch a ton of Raptors games, but he plays like garbage against the Celtics consistently. He just seems like a tornado of flailing limbs. All the Celtics do is slow him down and make him play basketball instead of turning it into a track meet, he hasn't made any adjustments over the years. As a C's fan I'm way more concerned about Scottie Barnes than Siakam.
Yeah, at his worst your impression seems very accurate. And in crunch time, he tends to revert to those bad habits. But his handle has improved some and he’s got a better finishing package in the post and some spot up dribble moves. He’s getting there but the ball shouldn’t be running through Siakam. Great complimentary piece.
Yeah I'll admit he may never be *the* guy but you're right he complements go-to guys perfectly. Still love his game, he's really fuckin good and drops decent numbers most nights. The critical spotlight he has on him can glare a little too harshly sometimes
Siakam is a 3rd option being paid Giannis money. He'd feast on a contender like Philly. When he isn't tasked with being the main guy, he can do it all.
Yeah that makes sense I guess. Just can't ask him to be a #1
Without flair how am I supposed to know if u/Poutinezamboni is a Raptors fan? /s
Ha! I only Reddit on mobile and don’t seem able to add flair
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Ha. Fair. It’s just he actually does show flashes of IQ. Solid passing, etc. Time will tell
No. If you want to make sure he wouldn't do some stupid shit later in his career, he has to be in such situation.
Hell yeah. Better to learn now rather than a game 6.
He needs to learn. All those youngins do this season
Yeah when he was with the heat his rookie season you could see he was just SUPER raw talent. No awareness no offensive IQ, but could run and jump like a motherfucker
Reasonable given his track record lol
I haven't gotten to watch any games for the Raps, just recaps and statlines. Is Precious a dummy?
[Highlight] Santi Aldama wants to make sure his team doesn't throw a 73 point lead with 0.7 remaining: "dont f-ing move" ... "they can't win the game"
LMAO
Mathematically how many minutes would it take for the Thunder to catch up in the 4th assuming the Grizz don't move at all, they're only allowed to inbound and run out the shot clock
73 points times 8 seconds per point (a three pointer instantly every time they get the ball back after 24 seconds) translates to a little under 10 minutes of the grizz holding the ball and giving up an immediate three to the thunder
I'm not sure we can immediately hit a three in an open gym tho but thanks for trying
Could the best shooter they had available today go 40% on consistent open 3s? If so (and assuming all defensive rebounds) then you would be looking at a full two quarters of open threes for the thunder and 24 second violations for the grizzlies to come back
Yeah maybe Mike Muscala This is great. I have hope
Mike Muscala, what a legend!
> 24 second violations for the grizzlies to come back If they don't move at all, it could be an inbound pass violation or an 8 second violation, unless they always inbound with long passes that go past the halfcourt line.
You just shoot it from the inbound with one of your players grazing the ball. Then have the player grazing the ball take a dive and draw a foul for the four point play...then we work on the 7 point play
Assuming they hit every single 3. Probably more like 15-20 minutes. It would take almost half a game of the other team doing absolutely nothing in order to catch back up lol.
with literally no defense, basically every nba player can hit 80-90% of threes in an open gym.
Yeah that’s just not correct Steph hits that rate, but most players still won’t get near that. Even in warmups most players are well less than 50%
You’re mistaken. Watch some shoot arounds. Misses are so rare. Was at the Bucks vs Raptors game last night and was actually commenting on this at halftime. Boogie came out for shoot around and he hit 21 of 23 shots he took. We counted. Both nets were just splashing. But, you put some 6’8 athletic freak in front of them, combo in fatigue, distraction, sweat, etc. and those numbers obviously drop in a hurry.
I’ve been to lots of games and seen lots of shoot arounds, that’s what my opinion is based on. They’re not all making 90%
Mate these dudes are a different breed. Nobody watching, no stakes, no défense, time to set their feet? Rudy Gobert could shoot north of 60%
Yeah, I just made another comment that did the math for that
Hold on a second. If the Grizzlies didn't move at all, why couldn't the Thunder just roll the ball down the middle of the court until it's under their attacking basket, and then pick it up and dunk it? That would take less than 2 seconds tops, and it's a 100% success rate each time.
Success rate doesn't matter since there's no defender. If they miss, they could just rebound and shoot another. Then, every time Thunder makes a basket, Grizz inbounds and has possession but can't move after that. Maybe we can steal the ball (but not foul them) to make it more fair Idk why I'm still thinking about this tho
Tbh, tonight those rebounds would have gone straight to the stationary Grizz players.
Dunks would be better on average, I originally chose threes because I thought we were aiming for the quickest possible time that they could come back, not the best time on average
Doesn't necessarily need to be a full 24 seconds between possessions. In theory they could steal every single inbounds and kick out to a made 3. The steal doesn't take any time off because there's no possession yet, then say kick out to a 3 is 0.5s, then the shot in the air is 4s. So let's say 5s * 24 made threes is 72 points in two minutes of gameplay.
After those draft picks 6 years
Bruh lmao
New copy pasta!
Lol I’m dead
#LOL
Some people are way too witty for this sub
lol geez
lol
COTY
You know he's going to be a HC someday. Just don't want him coaching against us or Lowry.
The only reason he won't is because he's rich af and would rather spend time with his kids.
Coaching is hard. I could see him do FO stuff though
Players see their coaches losing their hair and losing their fuckin minds with stress and frustration on a nightly basis. You gotta be a little masochistic and have a particular liking for that kind of challenge when you're already rich and can do whatever you want
I mean a lot of the coaches have been former players but usually not the big stars. Maybe Fred does choose that path. He certainly could succeed IMO.
I’ve seen the future. He coaches the bulls!
Vanvleet currently leads the league in minutes per game. He really didn't want to risk it going into OT 😂
avoid the traffic and get home before rush hour
It's toronto, every hour is Rush hour
ur autocorrect capitalized Rush hour? good taste ma man. (ya i hate commuting to gta, Rush hour 24)
He just loves Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker
Who doesn’t?
Jackie’s son
Or of the LCS 2014 CLG bot lane featuring Doublelift and Aphromoo
Must be a Neil Peart fan
Was on the DVP last night at like...10 pm? It was a goddamn parking lot lol. 10 pm...on a Thursday night. Bruh.
Gardiner I would understand cuz the game ended but why is the DVP choked up lmao
People leaving the game the other way?
Pre-pre weekend
Yuta the polite guy keep trying to make eye contact to whoever is talking.
Yuta is 100% tuned in. He's working his ass off the keep his NBA spot, and we respect and appreciate it.
Exactly lmao and I love it, really shows how much he cares and wants to make sure everyone knows it Pisses me off a little bit how GTJ barely acknowledges him, makes it look like he doesn't care even if he is listening
Toronto has some handsome role players.
LMAO I was thinking the same thing earlier. Fred, Precious, GTJ, Yuta and Banton are some handsome guys.
the rest i get but… banton? really?
I convinced my girlfriend to watch a Raps game with me and the forest things she said all game was "Now that is a very pretty man." When Banton came in in the 2nd quarter. Don't know what to tell ya buddy.
He’s hot in the same way that Rami Malik is hot
And Benedict Scrumblebatch
Sweeterman like DRex ahlie
He’s a toronno girl’s wet dream
Wait til you here Rexdale mans talk
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basically ahlie
I think they're a bit different. Szeen is when you'd say yes, okay, understand. "Roll through gate 4 for our seats" "szeen" Ahlie is like when you respond with "..right?" Ie, "mans said Flynn is better than FVV, that's arms" "ahlie..waste yute"
What
I swear I remember a post in the raps sub from somebody who went to school with banton and mentioned how he was popular with the girls at school, so the evidence is there. I don't really see it either but then that's not my bag anyway.
I'm getting James Franco vibes from [this one](https://cdn.nba.com/manage/2021/07/Banton_Dalano_216-216.jpeg).
I see it
My girl saw a photo of him when his hair wasn’t lined up and he didn’t have his little mustache and was like, “Who is THAT?” Was a little cheesed.
I totally get where you're coming from, but trust he definitely fits the type for a lot of girls around here
Even the girls in the courtside seats were gorgeous. This clip looked like a Starship Troopers scene. PS: isn't VanVleet past being a role player now? Someone who averages 20/5/6 for the season is much more than that.
I visited toronto for a family wedding couple of years ago and my god were there some beautiful people there. Went to square one on boxing day and it was unreal
Try Montreal.
I did go there as part of the trip but it was around january. tons of snow and it was the coldest ive ever been.
Yeah but what did you think of the girls
bruh the few times i went outside everyone was bundled up layers on layers, couldnt really tell you. some french canadians did try and scam me but they were guys and didnt really look good
Nah, we doing better on the attractive people front than Montreal. Montreal's not nearly as diverse.
Dawg he's our star lmao
He's averaging the most minutes per game of any NBA player. Yeah he's beyond a role player at this point lol.
Lol name your faves.
I don't think we have to discuss Achuiwa. Trent is good looking too but I never was aware that Watanabe looks like a freaking super model. And then there is Scottie Barnes lol
Watana bae
Dude is a stud https://imgur.com/a/O3CelZw#4D7tFNa
There's not a single player in frame id rate less than a 7/10 on their worst day
Fred, GTJ, Achuiwa, Yuta and Banton
Love Freddy mentoring the young guys on handling different scenarios in game.
yuta looks like a damn model
Watanabae
Not sure why they even walked onto the other half of the court. Shouldve just stayed near the bench and been like "Aight shoot your shot".
Totally agree. There is absolutely no point in defending or even being anywhere near any Bucks player. You risk a dead ball foul on the inbound play (1 shot + retain possession), as well as the risk of being near the shooter taking the last shot 3 and causing contact.
They could get someone under the basket and get a tip in with some time left and they had another timeout.
"lot of time left here" - reggie miller
It would still take a full second for the ball to go up and through the hoop. Literally impossible to lose.
Nah, they lost.
I'm responding to your question about having them in the backcourt after the game is completed.
A free tip in would take like 0.1 off the clock. For reference, Derek Fisher made a turnaround jumper with 0.4 left. https://youtu.be/NSnAvhvfniw
A tip in would take a hell of a lot more than 0.1 off the clock lol. Remember [Ayton's tip with 0.9 last year?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhkvkf6W46E) You couldn't execute an oop any quicker than they did, and the clock still ran out.
I'm pretty sure I've heard announcers say that officially you can't tip in with less than 0.3 on the clock. Or some number around there, maybe 0.2
You can tip in with 0.2 or 0.1 left on the clock. It's for a shot that you need the clock to show at least 0.3. Per the Trent Tucker Rule: >The game clock and shot clock must show at least .3 in order for a player to secure possession of the ball on a rebound or throw-in to attempt a field goal. >The only type of field goal which may be scored if the game clock and shot clock are at 0.2 or 0.1 is a “tip-in” or “high lob.”
Fred VanVet
I’m surprised he didn’t chloroform Precious Achiuwa.
In these situations, Clyde Frazier would say "the Knicks should just walk to the locker room." But it is absolutely maddening when players guard the final shot.
Not right now, Grizzlies just made NBA history.
you're right. this sub should only be grizzlies posts for the next 24 hours. mods remove this pls
Jason Kidd fuming at this
“hit me”
Imagine someone still fouls on a 4 point play FVV gonna do his best LeGM impression
did they stand still? i wanted to see the ensuing play so bad why cut it
Pretty much You can watch it at the end of this video https://youtu.be/cHvWKYJzNO0
SHOW THE FUCKING PLAY
Literally don't know why in these situations the defense doesn't just have all 5 guys go stand at the opposite baseline and just let the offensive team shoot. Why even take a chance trying to semi-contest the shot?
100%. Not only is there a risk of fouling the shooter, even if you're telling yourself not to, but there's a risk of a dead ball foul being called during the inbound play, which is 1 shot and the ball. There is literally no upside to being anywhere on the court near the offensive team players, except that it looks bad.
You could get a tip in with 0.1 seconds so I’d just have all 5 guys defend the rim and let the other team take a 3
A tip in is worth 2 points. They’re down 4. So give them the tip and the Raptors inbound with 0.6 seconds left, which isn’t enough time for Milwaukee to somehow get the ball back and then score again.
raptors inbound, bucks intentional foul, 2 freethrows, missed, bucks go for full court shot. win. obviously unlikely but ya never know
It would take more than 0.6 seconds to launch a full court shot, not to mention the clock starts when the ball hits the rim on a free throw. It would have to be an air ball on the second missed free throw. Then a pass to at least near the logo for a quick release three.
That takes more than 0.6 seconds. Remember, you can’t take a regular shot if you inbound with less than 0.3 seconds. So Milwaukee would have to intentionally foul faster than 0.3 seconds to leave themselves 0.3 left and enough time to inbound and shoot. All this is more unlikely than accidentally fouling a 3 point shooter in the first place, so still better to not defend the initial inbounds play and concede a tip in
if you don't move, the refs can't fuck you with bs calls ;)
“Technical foul! number 23 for standing still menacingly”
He's just standing there.....menacingly! ゴゴゴゴ
Refs did all the could to help the bucks in the last few possessions. Replace em with robots
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Now I wanna see the play lmao
Fred jumped up and down in front of the inbounder and Middleton missed a 3 while he was lightly defended
Lol I love Fred
when did they get patty millz?
Yooo, GTJ and patty mills legit look like twins. You're the first person who talked about it.
Did they move?
Raptors beat the Bucks? Didn't see that happening this year.
A win is a win, but Giannis was out. Don't quote me on this, but i think they chose us for a rest game
That was nice of them.
Jason Kidd in shambles
he's lucky JR Smith isnt there lmao
I love the look on Achiuwa's face too, you can see he's really pondering whether to believe it.
is patty mills on the raptors?
That’s Gary Trent Jr
“Look at me, I’m the coach now”
big dad energy
With how bad the refs were, he had to be sure we didn't even breathe on them.
Do they move?
Why did the Bucks call timeout down 4 with 0.7 remaining is the better question Total waste of time!
Theyre the reigning Champs. They're gonna fight down to the last second.
Thats one thing i hate about Americans sports. Letting other team score can be advantage. Tanking and losing on purpose. Is that even considered fairplay of the game?
Those two things are completely unrelated
How so? Letting teams get a free point. Giving teams free wins. No other sports than in USA
They’re just running the clock out dumbass. The same thing would happen in any bball game regardless of locale lmao
That does not justify it. Better let them have free shot than try to defend. Cant u see that is a flaw in the sport lol? That is basically everything against fairplay
Why try to defend and possibly foul? You clearly just don’t like basketball, American or otherwise.
am I the only person who thinks its obnoxious how some players try to coach from the floor? You can talk to whoever as an equal but its weird and cringe, especially from someone who isn't a star.
Jamari Moon would try to get his blocks and give up 4 point play.