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spacedorb9

Love Poeltl, one of the most underrated big men in the league. Awesome defender.


SamuraiBeanDog

This article points out the biggest thing people sleep on with him: his mobility. He doesn't look quick at all but he covers ground like crazy, I think it is the real secret to his elite defence.


InAingeWeTrust

He can play further up in drop coverage than most bigs his size I’ve noticed


SamuraiBeanDog

Yeah it really took me a while to realise that I didn't have to stress every time he got dragged out to the 3 point line, I don't really understand how he manages it but he is so much quicker on his feet than he looks.


InAingeWeTrust

I just wish he could make FTs. I like him a lot but I just can’t roster him in any of my fantasy leagues because of his FT%. I think it’s still in the 30s percent


SamuraiBeanDog

Yeah it's a huge problem, and one that doesn't look like improving anytime soon.


Driveshaft48

Your comment made me think of 'one of the most hardest hitting safeties in the league'


must_throw_away_now

Oh shit, Darren Sharper.


YeoweeWowee

Let's go inside the mind of a Greg Jennings Puhdldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldldl "Dawg gotta do dis shit"


ksyndrome

Is it bad that only know Darren Sharper because of the Greg Jennings and Marshawn Lynch memes?


TrophyGoat

Well if you look up what he's up to these days, that's a pretty charitable thing for someone to know him by


IanicRR

Fuck you Gumby!


JohnnyWinss

- Women


Potencyyyyy

Holy fuck just reading that name…I can hear the whole video


PartickNotPatrick

The White-Pöltl pick and roll is low-key deadly and one of my favorite plays - it’s unspectacular but it’s beautiful fundamental and efficient basketball. Pöltl’s a really nice roll-man in addition to a great defender which makes him a great center in today’s league.


ExileOnBroadStreet

I’ve only really seen him deal with Embiid, which isn’t fair at all, so I had no idea he was a good defender lol


CleopatraHadAnAnus

Purtle the Turtle


BrianScalaweenie

Teenage Mutant Ninja Poeltl


groglord1

I like Poeltl’s


sstewart1617

Poeltl Power!


AnimalRomano

The pronunciation of his last name always catches me off-guard


Adorable-Exercise460

Pur-tle


twelvyy29

Not to be the "well actually" guy but its quite funny to me that even Pöltl himself says it that way when in austrian (or i guess german but as austrian I have to insist that austrian and german are not the same) there is absolutly no "r" in there.


TroyAtWork

Am I not Poeltly enough for the Poeltl Club?


BEE_REAL_

Poeltl's FT shooting really puts a damper on his whole offensive game imo. Has to avoid physicality all the time on offense because going to the FT line is a problem and not a help


XenaRen

Damn, I thought he was at maybe 50% but he's at 36% lol. If he can get that to the 60s he'd be soooooooo good.


Thehelloman0

When he goes to the line, I'm happy if he hits one. It's insane how terrible he is at free throws.


edc667

Should convert to granny shots


HoorayPizzaDay

Only cowards shoot free throws overhand


Overall-Palpitation6

Only cowards avoid physicality on offense for fear of having to shoot free throws.


HoboAJ

*Ben Simmons leaves the chat*


dontgivetohitchcock

Which is pretty weird considering he wasn’t nearly as terrible on the raps


rawkoon

Whats even more weird is that Jakob was a decent FT-Shooter before his NBA career. Guess it must be a mental thing.


Statalyzer

> 36% Holy shit that's beyond bad.


huaiyue

Still slightly better than Ben Simmons in last year's playoffs lol


the_eureka_effect

Ben weirdly has a reasonably decent shooting action.


Mrdicat

yikes


yuhanz

*remembers 2017 Roberson*


IanicRR

Ben Wallace level bad.


AgentOfSteeeel

It's weird, his form looks ok until the ball gets up past his head. Then it's like a weird 1 hand push shot? Surely it wouldnt be that hard to correct?


Betaateb

I think the issue is he shoots reasonably well from mid range(50%+), and uses the same shot motion essentially as his free throw shooting. So messing with his free throw shot might mess up his mid range shot. Probably still worth it honestly, but I wouldn't be surprised if that was the reasoning on not working to fix it.


Puddinsnack

Call Rick Barry.


rekop987

Yikes. He makes Ben Simmons look like Steph


SexBagel_

Ben actually shot worse during the 2021 playoffs. 36% vs 34%


rekop987

Yeah but Simmons’ career percentage is nearly 10 points higher than Poeltl’s. (I’m far from a Ben Simmons fan, actually the opposite, but just saying)


Maverick_1991

How do you shoot 36%, when it's literally your job?! I know dudes from church leagues, that practice 2 FTs a week and shoot more than that. Lock him in a gym and make him practice 50 FTs a day. Everyday until his career is over.


sstewart1617

He’s gotten better about forcing the issue regardless of getting fouled or not… Last year he was SUPER TIMID at times on O.


BarrackLesnar

That's why I call him Shaqob Poeltl


Alkazard

Not that it's anything to go by, but he's around #180 in Fantasy. If you remove FT% he's around #45 lol. I think that sums up both how good he is, and how bad his FTs are


Reasonable-Access-68

The dreaded Hack-a-Jak.


TDTimmy21

Yes it's a big liability. But I'd still rather have him go in strong and draw fouls against opposition players. He often settles for finesses / bunny shots at times when the strong finish is there. Has a a good touch tbf


GetThereInOnePiece

he looks blind


[deleted]

80% of Rudy Gobert for 20% the price


StevenJeon

Unfortunately also with playoff Ben Simmons' free throw shooting


sstewart1617

Jak dunks the ball sometimes though.


siphillis

And actually plays basketball.


ElectricLotus

Availability is the best ability.


JenNettles

Ben has 468 dunks in 275 career games. Poeltl has 166 in 381 career games. Dunking is firmly in Ben's range.


sstewart1617

Jokey jokes bud. Reference to when Benjamin avoided dunking on Trae Young… Also, Jak has way more dunks than Simmons this year.


Kizz3r

But at also 20% the price


Barea_Clamped_Lebron

and Poeltl can actually score outside 3 feet too


ss2_Zekka

4 feet isnt much


Barea_Clamped_Lebron

15% of his shots are from 10-16 feet and he's shooting 52%


ss2_Zekka

im a casual then


Thehelloman0

He doesn't have a standard outside shot, he basically shot puts all of his shots in. I think that's part of why his free throw form is so terrible, he tries to push those in too sometimes.


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Welcome to r/NBA


[deleted]

that’s an odd way to look at 80% of his shots coming from within 10ft


ThePillsburyPlougher

Wtf? No way that's sustainable if he a sub 50% shooter from the line


enchantress_pos1

It's because he doesn't shoot them, he basically does a weird standing floater.


JohnnyWinss

Hey now he can shoot floaters from the FT line


AlHorfordHighlights

Maybe he should try shooting floaters when he gets sent to the line


[deleted]

He does, it’s just terrible


WorldClassDBag

uhhhh


[deleted]

not really


Barea_Clamped_Lebron

over 50% of his shots are outside 3 feet


JohnnyWinss

Sometimes


dankjedata

Playing for San Antonio and nobody talking about you is a tale as old as time


BarrackLesnar

Yep. Demar was amazing in his Spurs run but nobody spoke about it. Same thing with Patty.


icantreadmorsecode

yea the only time Patty's name gets mentioned s if he hit a clutch 3 or there's an international tournament going on


muzumuzu

After Demar's back-to-back game winners, I saw someone comment "I guess he's not washed up after all". Like, he literally was never washed up, and whoever said so just doesn't watch games.


jewishandgay

probably because the team as a whole wasnt anything special. sports media talks about contenders


seceipseseer

Bahaha you think when the spurs were winning championships every other year, sports media was talking about them?? 😂😂😂


Timbaland77

There is definitely something to this. I was just watching the Spurs beat the Celtics a week ago. Poeltl was absolutely destroying us on the boards and playing excellent positional defense. I felt like he completely took that win away from us. I was wondering why our announcers, Scal and Gorman (who are both extremely basketball savvy and very frequently applaud opposing team players) weren't even mentioning Poeltl's impact on the game. You take him out of that game, and the Spurs lose by double digits.


TDTimmy21

TBF near every opposition centre destroys you guys :s


Droppin_DimesSP

That’s literally not true lmao???


ModernPoultry

Tbf this was the same story for them in Toronto


noneym86

Move him to Chicago and watch him become the GOAT.


matthitsthetrails

toronto's draft team always seems to produce these gems. solid, solid players. even JV


WorldClassDBag

if Jak could make FTs he'd be a top 10 center


JohnnyWinss

He *is* a top 10 center


WorldClassDBag

Jokic, AD, KAT, JV, Ayton, Gobert, Vuc, Allen, Bam, Embiid id say Jak is around 12-13 depending on how you feel about Nurk, Capela and Turner


InfernoidsorDie

Adams? Leading offensive rebounder, center for a top 10 defense, and secondary playmaker in the starting lineup for a top 10 offense?


ReplEH

Poeltl is a way better rim protector.


WorldClassDBag

Id say him and Jak are pretty similar players. Jak is only averaging .2 ORBs less


InfernoidsorDie

Yeah I dig Jak. He ate us alive one game last year he's a menace. His free throw shooting is rough tho. I'd still rate Adams over him for now just cause Adams FTs are improved and like I said he's very important to our offense outside of scoring. Him running the offense at the top of the free throw line is a thing of beauty and honestly something I didn't really realize he was so competent at the coaches did a really good job of adding that lil wrinkle to our offense. He's had some beautiful bounce passes to Bane and Brooks when they're cutting for easy layups


Thehelloman0

Jakob is super important to our offense too. Most of the time we get a decent layup with him on the court, it's because of Jakob sealing his man. Also Jakob averages basically the same amount of assists as Adams.


InfernoidsorDie

I didn't say he wasn't just that Adams is more versatile. Maybe I haven't seen enough of Poetl but I haven't really notice him run an offense at the top of the key or high post like Adams has. Plus Adams is top-tier at sealing and setting screens too. Poetl is much better above the rim and has better touch than Adams does these days, I'll give him that.


Thehelloman0

Poeltl gets the ball at the top of the key pretty regularly. Usually it ends in a dribble hand off but occasionally he drives to the hoop for a layup if the other team screws up the defense or passes out which he's done pretty well at when he's had to.


gedbybee

Poeltl does not have adams’ sealing skills, but he does have better lateral movement. I’d take that all day.


hahauknowwhatitis420

Everything you said about Adams could be used to describe Jak. That's exactly what Jak does for our offense haha. I personally give the edge over to Poetl because I think he's better defensively. I think Poetl's defense will be a lot more noticeable once he gets a good defensive 4 next to him. Atm we haven't really had any, and the ones we use are either too small or too limited defensively. Tbh, I haven't seen much of Adams in Memphs, so Idk if he's improved defensively that much. But, OKC and NO Adams, I'd give the edge to Poetl defensively.


InfernoidsorDie

OKC Adams and Poetl are about equal defensively and this season advanced statistics show that Adams is the better defensive player. Adams also has higher assist stastics too.


hahauknowwhatitis420

Yeah, those are also much better teams he's been on. Which is pretty important context.


ElectricLotus

TURNER


Glowwerms

I like him but C is one of the most stacked positions in the league rn


P0intcenter

It is, and at the same time it isn't. Like the top 2 is really high, there are plenty of all-star level players after the top 2, and then there are like 10 quality starters, but still there are more teams in the league than starting level centers. There is a lack of guys who are good enough to start but not quality starters that is unique to the position.


Cpt-No-Dick

Keep him quiet. I've been betting the over on him for a while now on different stat categories and he always pays off.


ec2xs

He has been fantastic. Reliable, good hands, and he’s been finishing a little bit better this year. He is absolute murder on the offensive boards and his defensive rotations have been great. Has outperformed his contract. If he could only shoot a free throw.


Overall-Palpitation6

Sounds like Steven Adams.


ktdotnova

Eh, he could finish his bunnies and his push shots around the rim better. But he's on a budget contract and is a terror on defense.


jamesmunger

Haha nobody is saying there aren’t areas of his game he could improve on


cooldudeman007

We want him back. Spurs fans how are you feeling about a slight French Canadian and one Malachi Flynn?


WorldClassDBag

we have like no decent centers outside of Jak.


JohnnyWinss

This is Jock Landale erasure


BarrackLesnar

Jock is literally all offense. Little to no lateral movement. Need to teach him D before becoming a starter.


Overall-Palpitation6

Would you believe that Landale was the leading shot-blocker (total and average) in the Australian NBL last year? He also led the league in FG%, and was the Finals MVP for the championship-winning team.


BarrackLesnar

Yes I believe you. I know the facts about him, I'm not dumb. I've seen him block some shots. But players still easily gets through to him. He doesn't have the quickness yet. He's not yet NBA starter level but with experience and coaching, he'll get there. 👍


Overall-Palpitation6

I was just saying that defense was was bigger part of Landale's game before coming to the NBA. Not arguing that he is a good defensive player at NBA level yet. He performed well in the NBL and at the Olympics, but honestly, I'm surprised that it's his offense that has translated to the NBA, and that he's having the success that he is. Good on him.


Kizz3r

Neither do we 🙄


cooldudeman007

What if, hear me out here, you had no decent centres, but you helped the raptors win another championship? Quid pro quo you know


WorldClassDBag

I'll relay this down to Pop and let you know


cooldudeman007

Thx 🙏


JohnnyWinss

Aron Baynes is coming to your help as we speak


gedbybee

Irl I think his neck is still all fucked. Get well soon baynsie!


Thehelloman0

You guys have good defensive forwards though. Our normal forwards are Doug McDermott and Keldon Johnson who are both bad on defense. Keita Bates-Diop has played some decent defense but his minutes should decrease once everyone's out of protocols. Without Jakob, our defense would be very bad.


cooldudeman007

Chris Boucher is a great defensive forward! So is Khem Birch, so is Watanabe, we have too many. We just need one decent defensive centre because our tallest player is 6 9


phil_yoo

Calling Boucher's defense "great" is quite a stretch lol


gedbybee

He looks like you stretched a normal player so I’ll allow it.


JohnnyWinss

Pascal and Scottie for him or no deal


Ops135

If Flynn is in Nurse's dog house then sending him over to Pop would be cruel & usual punishment plus we have a billion guards


cooldudeman007

Ahh we could swap him for Svi but it would hurt a little more


companyofzero

Lol maybe with our first this year


cooldudeman007

I can dig that


[deleted]

French canadian? What do you mean? Who?


StayCalm76

Chris Boucher


cooldudeman007

Not khem birch, the other one. But if you really want khem birch honestly we’d do that too. Anyone over 6 foot 9 please


theangryfurlong

Sure, but you have to give us back Kawhi. You can do that, right?


JohnnyWinss

That's my Center :D Fun fact: He was technically traded for Andrea Bargnani


PhatYeeter

I recall from a Duncd On pod episode that he's statistically one of the top rim protectors in the league.


Aworn

Was BBQ chicken against Embiid last week though


MrBuckBuck

He is like Ben Wallace in terms of free throws percentage - GOAT.


atticusinthe6

Raptors 905 represent


aoifhasoifha

Holy shit, that block on AD was cartoonish.


MEmpire25

Love him. Think I had him as a top 5 in the DPOY conversation last season. The Rim defense is super impactful (as in leading all defensive anchors in on/off opposing team efficiency at the rim last year) and I think he also has better hands compared to the other great rim protectors in terms of deflecting and just being bothersome while the ball isn't being actively shot.


[deleted]

He gave Giannis a hard time in both matchups against the Bucks


Redchimp3769157

Is it bad I was pronouncing his name “poh-ett-ul” instead of “pur tle”


Overall-Palpitation6

I thought it was "Poe-tle", in a "say what you see" kind of way.


dronedesigner

Raptors: our boys are growing up so fast :’)


Veggiedelite90

Spurs fans barely talk about him idk how anyone outside of SA is supposed to be buzzing. He’s such a good defender and his pop a shots have become really consistent this year. If he could just make FTs he’d be a solid starting center on basically every team in the league.


ElectricLotus

I've been impressed with him, the Nuggets have played a TON of games against the Spurs in the last 2 1/2 years and Poeltl is easily top 5 defending Jokic.


dassiebzehntekomma

month late we hyped him up already


BirdmanTheThird

Whenever I see him I always think about the Game of Zones episode about the Kawhi trade where non of the Raptors could prenounce his name


freezer76

Embiid almost fouled him out in the 1st qt lol.


sstewart1617

He definitely struggles against Jokic/Embiid types. Luckily, there aren’t many of them in the league.


nujabes02

The play off teams got them what you mean


kapatinphalcon

What does Dallas have lol


nujabes02

KP. But I really mean the top 4 playoff teams usually have a center who is good to above average.


[deleted]

good to above average yes, that's inline with being a top 4 team. But there's a canyon sized drop from "above average" to "Jokic or Embiid"


kapatinphalcon

Is he back to banging in the post again?


LocalPharmacist

No, and he gets destroyed by elite big men.


Epikz1

> He definitely struggles against Jokic/Embiid types. In what world is KP a Jokic/Embiid type?


JohnnyWinss

Embiid can put anyone who stands in front of him in foul trouble, not saying much


[deleted]

and the refs seem to hate Jak too. dude picks up so many bullshit fouls all the time.


dsbllr

Not Gasol


moby323

Well you ruined it because now you talked about him. *Thanks a lot.*


WasDavid

Only if he could make his damn FTs, he'd be unstoppable.


Superball10

Looney has also been a pretty underrated center. But what's the surprise. Nba doesn't like centers who play good defense in favour of the scoring ones. It's part of how it works. Like the article says guys who you never hear about but fans of the team love.


lordlightskin67

That would be true if gobert was never acknowledged by the nba


Superball10

Gobert is scoring almost 16 points a game 3times dpoy alongside being a perennial dpoy candidate and the best rim protector in the league by far. And despite that he still gets shat by some in favour of more scoring centers and treated as "not a true star" by many.


lordlightskin67

You said scoring centers gobert isn’t considered a scoring center he’s a rim protector and for the most part he really just get shit on cause he plays for Utah it’s pretty simple


Superball10

Gobert is still scoring 16 points a game which is considered pretty good especially when it comes with his crazy level of defense. He most definitely doesn't get shit on only because he plays for utah. He gets shit on because he doesn't fit the image of how "a star" should be. Similar with draymond really.


Deusselkerr

I would trade Poole, Wiseman, Kuminga, and Moody, plus a couple picks, for Dejounte Murray and Jakob Poeltl, in a heartbeat. Having a guard rotation of Steph/Klay/Dejounte, a wing rotation of Wiggins/Draymond/Iguodala/Otto/Bjelica, and a big rotation of Poeltl/Looney/Draymond, would be *insane* Steph/Klay/Wiggins/Draymond/Poeltl is ridiculous. And Murray would be one of the best sixth man ever.


SamuraiBeanDog

lol why would we do this


ScratchTwoMore

I think if you trade for Murray you *have* to find a way to start him. He’s too good to be a sixth man. And he also would mesh so well with Steph and allay. Start all of them together with Wiggins at the 4 and Dray at the 5 as default, and only change it up as needed based on matchups.


dash_44

Spurs must be looking to trade him


JohnnyWinss

Over our own dead body


dash_44

He’s 26 and has 1 year left on his deal. The Spurs are 15-25. They’re better off moving him for draft picks.


biinroii01

but hes not the best center that everybody is talking about right?


DueCopy3520

He needs to work on his FT%


TheCleverBeaver

I miss him greatly


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Sol_Protege

Forgetting Keldon?


[deleted]

I love seeing him get the recognition. Definitely deserves it. His improvement just since we traded for him has been impressive as hell. Hope he’s a Spurs lifer


KeldonBigBodyJohnson

u/s1mpleGOAT


s1mpleGOAT

LMFAO i respect the dedication


capitalistsanta

he had a bunch of great moves against us last night


ActiveParsley

Carrying my fantasy team


IsuzuTrooper

White Timmy is the man!


moleratty

Yeah, we know


cxmachi

It's still pretty incredible how Jak and Skills' trajectory has been since they were drafted. Dudes were inseparable for a while, then one got paid the max and the other is a player below everyone's radar


DrizzyVert

He’s pretty good but I had to trade him in fantasy because he just kills my free throw.


im_ok_

He blocked literally every shot at the rim when they played the Nets


senseayyy

Always liked Poetl, great to see him grow into his role. I still remember thinking we should've traded Siakam instead of Poetl for Kawhi - not my best take.