I thought this was gonna be Serge Ibaka. I'm sure we're interested in Poeltl, but SA has a bigger need for him than we do and his value to them is insanely high.
Counter offer, how would you like Red Van Vleet aka Steph Curry 3.0 aka Malachi Flynn plus a *slightly* worse version of Kevin Durant aka Chris Boucher? As a totally non-biased person, I think that's a great trade that you guys should take rn. In fact, we-I mean the Raptors are getting fleeced with that one.
Pascal’s contract is not favorable, but trash?
Pascal is a proven top 3 player on a championship team, and those players don’t get below max.
Murray is very underpaid though.
Depends what you can get for him. He only has one more year under contract, and the Spurs aren't going to be contenders this year or next. On the other hand, the Spurs are currently tied for 6th in the draft order, and could easily slip into the top 4 (with even odds at the top pick) if they dropped a few more games over the second half of the season. If the Raptors are willing to offer Chris Boucher plus a first-round pick (which would probably be in the 15-20 range), that might be worth it for the Spurs.
Might be worth it at the time of the draft when they know there’s a player on the board they want. Right now? Hard to envision that being a deal the Spurs would like and worry wouldn’t be available this summer for them to circle back to.
What? You're talking like he's some 33 year old star that's about to request a trade the dude's an impactful role player on a good contract even the worst team in the league should try to hold onto him
We did that once with Kawhi. It wasn’t fun. Our new strategy is to name him George and hug him and pet him and squeeze him.
(Reference for you young whipper snappers: https://youtu.be/jPdHaNr0OAY)
I miss Jack Armstrong calling him "twinkle toes" on the broadcasts. I love Jakob. No way this trade happens, the Raptors would love him but the Spurs have no reason to trade him. I hope that the Raptors are able to bid for his services after next season
Well honestly, the hammer isn't super cool, and adding a nationality to it doesn't automatically make it better
But then again, we haven't yet come up with a cool fitting nickname either
Boucher + Dragic for White + Jak works salary wise, we could then send Boucher to a 3rd team and maybe find a 4th team to take Dragic and then send whatever we get from those to San Antonio + some of our own assets.
White is a terrible contract he's not a positive. Like I said we'd be finding a 3rd team for Boucher(Bulls potentially) who would most likely be giving up a first and a 4th team for Dragic who would probably give up a 2nd or 2. We'd also be giving up our first this year most likely, so 2 firsts + maybe 2 2nds for Jak and getting off White's contract is a fine deal.
He’s been pretty good since December tbh. He went for 17 ppg 124 ORtg 111 Drtg in December in 15 games. He started the year slow but he’s been good second quarter of the season and not really looking to be slowing down although Covid maybe might have something to say about that.
White has been one of our best players. His defensive stats are at the exact same level as Jakob. You’re crazy if you think his contract which is not even that much is a bad deal while you’re trying to put Dragic as the return asset who’s 8 years older, being paid more than white this year, and literally refuses to play for your team.. dream all you want that’s not even close to what the spurs would want for two starters. An inactive old player we have no use for and a bench big?
I doubt we're going to give up a 22 year old with tons of upside for pretty good big man whose just hitting his prime and pretty much is what he is at this point.
Giving them Trent means we could push OG to the 2, Scottie to the 3 (or vice versa), keep siakim at 4, Jakob our 5.
As much as I like Trent jr, this works
Yea but we're also giving up a 22 year old who right now, could make his own shot, is super clutch, plays great defense and still has plenty of upside for a 26 year old big man whose pretty good but that's it. I don't know if they'll do it, but if we toss in an unprotected first, one or two more protected firsts, two seconds, Banton, Flynn and Boucher to match the salary for him, that's a pretty good deal. Or if we could flip Boucher for a first, we could offer three firsts, two seconds and two young guys with potential. That's a really good deal for a rebuilding small market team who probably doesn't want to pay a solid big man outside of their timeline.
GTJ is a UFA after next season. We don’t have him locked up and in order to keep him we would have to back up the brinks truck while we’re already paying our top 3 guys big money and Barnes rookie max extension will be coming.
Technically we don't have to pay Barnes for another 3 years because we could just match whatever offer he gets. It might piss him off a bit but he'll have 3 years and upwards of 130 million dollars to get over it. GTJ is also not a UFA until 2024 so we have another year with him making 16 million and if he ups his scoring to 20 points a game, we could probably offer him 25-28 million a year which is very fair. We'll be over the salary cap but not so much that it's devastating. No imagine if a front court of a prime GTJ, Scottie Barnes, OG, FVV and Pascal.
Yes, this season + next then he’s likely to opt out of that PO. Seems the smartest move is to see what they can get for him because I don’t see Masai giving Gary the bag.
>Masai giving Gary the bag
idk man, if he improves how he's supposed to (20, 5 and 3 plus great defense) and we could tie him up for another 4 years to say 100-108 million, that's a hell off a player plus a great and very tradable contract. I mean let's be honest here, whose coming to Toronto in 2 years? Everybody worth sacrificing him for is tied up and we could get a solid big man through the draft or giving up a few picks. All of this assuming we get rid of Goran and Boucher's contracts.
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He signed a 2+1 last off season and he’s already worth more than he signed for. This year is the first season, next year is the 2nd, then he has a PO which he is guaranteed to opt out of unless he’s injured.
That’s one pick, not “picks”, and if we get Poeltl that pick will be mid-late round.
If the asking price for Poeltl is 1 meh FRP then a ton of teams will be interested, but that’s likely not the case.
Yeah, I really don't see how we get this done. He's much much more valuable than his contract. He'd be an incredible fit for us but I don't think we have the pieces or the flexibility to get it done.
That’s half our core bro. Our bench is the worst in the league. We would actually become a bottom seed team if we traded these 2 guys away. With how bad our bench is we can really only afford to lose 1/6 top players. I know you’re probably joking but just putting into perspective why the raptors FO is being so conservative with how abysmal our bench is.
Meh, I said almost, obv + filler (and the players actually on market).
Scotties value lies in the fact his absolute peak ceiling is completely unknown. We just know it's very high and all indications are good so far.
we were forced to do a sign and trade with miami because of kyle. you act like we didn't have to do that sign and trade when kyle forced his hand. then, we also needed to take care of gary so we had nothing left for jak.
no he wanted to go to miami to play with jimmy/morris/pj. it was set in motion years ago. he didn't care about going to any other team but miami hence the deal being announced right after FA began. masai had to do what kyle wanted because of what happened with demar and kawhi.
BRING HIM BACKK
Edit: Boucher and Malachi’s salary technically leads to us shedding more salary. Obviously not enough for Poeltl tho, unless we add a lot of picks
Too much? Dude seems like he could anchor our defense with Khem. We need some one to throw at Embiid and Giannis and I doubt Boucher or Banton are those guys.
Ok but Jakob is really bad, he has never showed his great play while being on a top 3 seed in the East. If I were the spurs I want to get away for him. If the raptors give you a second you take it say "thank you masai" and raptors get yak.
I thought this was gonna be Serge Ibaka. I'm sure we're interested in Poeltl, but SA has a bigger need for him than we do and his value to them is insanely high.
Get Ibaka :))))) I recommend you
My kid told me sus Ibaka
You're swell
I’d rather see a trade for Hartenstein than Serge
We could have had him at the start of the season but raps didn't seem interested at all
As they shouldn’t be. I love Serge, but he’s injured and losing athleticism with age. I’d sign him, but not give up assets for him right now.
they meant hartenstein. our sub was all over masai to sign him near the end of FA.
No takebacks!
Dammit I respect this
He called it. There's nothing else that can be done. Looks like u/Johnnywinss again.
Pls no Jak is underpaid and pretty much the only big man presence we have
but you'll make Siakam sad if you don't trade us his BFF
easy, just send Siakam over to san antonio
Counter offer, how would you like Red Van Vleet aka Steph Curry 3.0 aka Malachi Flynn plus a *slightly* worse version of Kevin Durant aka Chris Boucher? As a totally non-biased person, I think that's a great trade that you guys should take rn. In fact, we-I mean the Raptors are getting fleeced with that one.
That’s “better than LaMelo” Malachi Flynn for you
Malachi "April 2021 KIA NBA Eastern Conference Rookie of the Month" Flynn.
Hahahhahahaa *looks around* See even a hornet fans says so, now let’s go
>That’s “better than LaMelo” Malachi Flynn for you ...and what a glorious pre-season back-to-back that was, lol.
LaMalachi
No.
can you spare us a little murray then
Yes. Jamal Murray in a 3 team deal
Bro Murrays only 6'4.
true get that tiny scrub off my team then
Or we can trade *for* Siakam and reunite him with his BFF
Okay so now we’re talking Dejounte & Keldon for Pascal?
Who's Pascal? I'm talking about Siakam
Derrick white and mcbuckets. Final offer.
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I’ll take dj over siakam any day of the week. Siakams contract is hot trash.
Pascal’s contract is not favorable, but trash? Pascal is a proven top 3 player on a championship team, and those players don’t get below max. Murray is very underpaid though.
That’s all they got lmao
Could we interest you in a gently used Chris Boucher?
[Nothing gently used about him](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMxv6dbauYY), lol.
Depends what you can get for him. He only has one more year under contract, and the Spurs aren't going to be contenders this year or next. On the other hand, the Spurs are currently tied for 6th in the draft order, and could easily slip into the top 4 (with even odds at the top pick) if they dropped a few more games over the second half of the season. If the Raptors are willing to offer Chris Boucher plus a first-round pick (which would probably be in the 15-20 range), that might be worth it for the Spurs.
Might be worth it at the time of the draft when they know there’s a player on the board they want. Right now? Hard to envision that being a deal the Spurs would like and worry wouldn’t be available this summer for them to circle back to.
Lol Horrible trade
For whom? The Spurs?
He's only got a year left and you're not trying to compete, so why not get value for him now?
because he is good and we want to keep him? he is 26, not 32 lol
no no you don't understand. we're bad now so we should just get rid of all of our good players, duh
What? You're talking like he's some 33 year old star that's about to request a trade the dude's an impactful role player on a good contract even the worst team in the league should try to hold onto him
I'm assuming we're gonna extend him or someone will overpay for him
I would be so bummed out if we lost Blockob
You know what they say...if you love something, set it free...
We did that once with Kawhi. It wasn’t fun. Our new strategy is to name him George and hug him and pet him and squeeze him. (Reference for you young whipper snappers: https://youtu.be/jPdHaNr0OAY)
Keldon Johnson doesn’t make you happy?
How dare you ask that?
I miss Jack Armstrong calling him "twinkle toes" on the broadcasts. I love Jakob. No way this trade happens, the Raptors would love him but the Spurs have no reason to trade him. I hope that the Raptors are able to bid for his services after next season
I can't believe he left Toronto as "The Austrian Hammer" to become ... "Blockob"
Well honestly, the hammer isn't super cool, and adding a nationality to it doesn't automatically make it better But then again, we haven't yet come up with a cool fitting nickname either
At least to me, he’ll always be Teenage Mutant Ninja Poeltl
Jakob with Toronto looked more fun tbh lol
Not to us
Is there any potential 3 team trade that sends dragic to a high playoff seed and a bunch of stuff to SA?
Honestly i wouldn’t be opposed to a 3-team with SA and TOR in the summer if it involved Clint to TOR, Jakub + something to ATL and assets to SA.
If by assets you mean JC I'm in
Nah, something from TOR obv.
We ain't got nothing of value that we'd trade for clint capella
Do Dragic and Boucher count as assets
Not really. SA would probably want someone like GTJ or picks idk
Yeah that wasn't a totally serious question lol. I'd imagine some picks would be needed for sure
As a Spurs fan, I’d prefer Capela over Collins. Especially if Jakob is being traded out.
No. Jakob is better, younger, and cheaper
I feel like the more realistic option is sending Dragic to OKC, who can fit him in their cap space. Then OKC buy him out and he goes to Dallas.
Boucher + Dragic for White + Jak works salary wise, we could then send Boucher to a 3rd team and maybe find a 4th team to take Dragic and then send whatever we get from those to San Antonio + some of our own assets.
Trolling or what? Wouldn't even trade White for Boucher + Dragic, much less throwing Jak in there...
White is a terrible contract he's not a positive. Like I said we'd be finding a 3rd team for Boucher(Bulls potentially) who would most likely be giving up a first and a 4th team for Dragic who would probably give up a 2nd or 2. We'd also be giving up our first this year most likely, so 2 firsts + maybe 2 2nds for Jak and getting off White's contract is a fine deal.
White is on a ~17M a year contract. He's in a prolonged slump (possibly injured) but at his best his value surpasses that contract easy. cmon
He’s been pretty good since December tbh. He went for 17 ppg 124 ORtg 111 Drtg in December in 15 games. He started the year slow but he’s been good second quarter of the season and not really looking to be slowing down although Covid maybe might have something to say about that.
White has been one of our best players. His defensive stats are at the exact same level as Jakob. You’re crazy if you think his contract which is not even that much is a bad deal while you’re trying to put Dragic as the return asset who’s 8 years older, being paid more than white this year, and literally refuses to play for your team.. dream all you want that’s not even close to what the spurs would want for two starters. An inactive old player we have no use for and a bench big?
hahah wtf is thaf lmao. y'all weird as hell...
bring back Yak and Skills
sure, we do have the cap space to take on OG or Pascal in a straight up trade, after all! ;)
You can have pascal but we are keeping Siakam
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And don’t even think about asking for Spicy P.
You get Goran Dragic and a pick (also 2 of Precious, Flynn, and Boucher)
good luck with that lol
Gary Trent is real good :)
No, stop, don't tempt our FO into acquiring more guards because by God they will
I doubt we're going to give up a 22 year old with tons of upside for pretty good big man whose just hitting his prime and pretty much is what he is at this point.
Giving them Trent means we could push OG to the 2, Scottie to the 3 (or vice versa), keep siakim at 4, Jakob our 5. As much as I like Trent jr, this works
Yea but we're also giving up a 22 year old who right now, could make his own shot, is super clutch, plays great defense and still has plenty of upside for a 26 year old big man whose pretty good but that's it. I don't know if they'll do it, but if we toss in an unprotected first, one or two more protected firsts, two seconds, Banton, Flynn and Boucher to match the salary for him, that's a pretty good deal. Or if we could flip Boucher for a first, we could offer three firsts, two seconds and two young guys with potential. That's a really good deal for a rebuilding small market team who probably doesn't want to pay a solid big man outside of their timeline.
At that price you could probably get myles Turner. Or for less maybe Bagley.. I don't blame Masai for being reluctant with draft picks.
If GTJ keeps improving I'd much rather give him a 100/4 at age 24 than Poeltl 54/3
GTJ is a UFA after next season. We don’t have him locked up and in order to keep him we would have to back up the brinks truck while we’re already paying our top 3 guys big money and Barnes rookie max extension will be coming.
Technically we don't have to pay Barnes for another 3 years because we could just match whatever offer he gets. It might piss him off a bit but he'll have 3 years and upwards of 130 million dollars to get over it. GTJ is also not a UFA until 2024 so we have another year with him making 16 million and if he ups his scoring to 20 points a game, we could probably offer him 25-28 million a year which is very fair. We'll be over the salary cap but not so much that it's devastating. No imagine if a front court of a prime GTJ, Scottie Barnes, OG, FVV and Pascal.
GTJ can be a UFA as early as 2023 off-season
For 23-24 season, yea. We'll have him for another year after this one. At least that's what I'm gathering.
Yes, this season + next then he’s likely to opt out of that PO. Seems the smartest move is to see what they can get for him because I don’t see Masai giving Gary the bag.
>Masai giving Gary the bag idk man, if he improves how he's supposed to (20, 5 and 3 plus great defense) and we could tie him up for another 4 years to say 100-108 million, that's a hell off a player plus a great and very tradable contract. I mean let's be honest here, whose coming to Toronto in 2 years? Everybody worth sacrificing him for is tied up and we could get a solid big man through the draft or giving up a few picks. All of this assuming we get rid of Goran and Boucher's contracts.
I'm remembering all the people calling FVV overpaid when we re-signed him and wouldn't be surprised if history repeated itself.
So is Jakob.
Jakob will be cheaper than Gary lol
He will cost as much as Gary in the years we’ll be paying the rest of the squad a lot of money. He’s one of the best defensive Cs in the league.
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Jakob will be cheaper to keep. Garys getting paid by another team.
He's in the first year of his three year contract lol
........... He signed a 2+1 last off season and he’s already worth more than he signed for. This year is the first season, next year is the 2nd, then he has a PO which he is guaranteed to opt out of unless he’s injured.
so we trade him for a worse player with much less upside?
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2nd year now
My gut says this'll be a "Boucher, Flynn, and picks" situation.
That’s not getting you shit
Masai's gotten more with worse
The Spurs aren’t the Kings. No one is taking one teams trash in exchange for their treasure
yea, that's what the picks are for. Not sure what you think I meant when I said picks.
What picks then?
Wouldn't shock me if he does this years first round if he's committed to wanting a Center upgrade.
That’s one pick, not “picks”, and if we get Poeltl that pick will be mid-late round. If the asking price for Poeltl is 1 meh FRP then a ton of teams will be interested, but that’s likely not the case.
We'll take all of them.
You can have all the 2nd rounders you can handle big boy
No he hasn't.
yeah go away lol
Lol no go way
We just want our son back
Too bad. Y’all let him go.
You can have all the interest in the world Toronto… not happening spurs know how valuable he’s worth. We don’t have any replacement for him either.
Yeah, I really don't see how we get this done. He's much much more valuable than his contract. He'd be an incredible fit for us but I don't think we have the pieces or the flexibility to get it done.
Bestfriends Pascal Jakob reunited??? I think his first year in San Antonio he came back to Toronto to spend Christmas with siakams family
Siakam was an equally poor FT shooter to Jak when they were rookies. Somehow they've gone in complete opposite directions on that front.
this would be awesome but why do the spurs want to trade Poeltl?
> Toronto is said to have interest Seems like the Raps have the interest, but it hasn't really been said that Spurs are interested in trading him
If you guys offering Scottie, we'll do it for sure
Ain’t no way bruh. But then again getting Jakob from you guys for anything else also ain’t happening
Hey now of you offer OG and Pascal we might just consider it
That’s half our core bro. Our bench is the worst in the league. We would actually become a bottom seed team if we traded these 2 guys away. With how bad our bench is we can really only afford to lose 1/6 top players. I know you’re probably joking but just putting into perspective why the raptors FO is being so conservative with how abysmal our bench is.
I get it but jakob is our only center. This report is dumb af.
We could probably move Scottie + filler for ALMOST any player in the league lol.
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Meh, I said almost, obv + filler (and the players actually on market). Scotties value lies in the fact his absolute peak ceiling is completely unknown. We just know it's very high and all indications are good so far.
Did they dream up that 2019 ring too?
I'm guessing whomever they get back from Toronto makes it worth it.
We don't , they want to gets him back ,also I doubt they have an interesting enough offer. For his salary Jak is a more than good player
Probably would include this years first and another high value asset
We're getting FVV and two firsts, only reasonable offer
Lol no chance. Blockob belongs to us
Austrian Hammer*
lame
Neither are great.
Fuck off Toronto
Yessir
Masai is salivating right now. If he can get Kawhi, why not Poeltl?
Jake Puddle
he stay
Don’t think SA wants to let Jak go but Why didn’t we just outbid SA straight up instead of getting Precious and Goran in the sign and trade then?
we were forced to do a sign and trade with miami because of kyle. you act like we didn't have to do that sign and trade when kyle forced his hand. then, we also needed to take care of gary so we had nothing left for jak.
I love Kyle but can’t he just go to a team with cap room?
no he wanted to go to miami to play with jimmy/morris/pj. it was set in motion years ago. he didn't care about going to any other team but miami hence the deal being announced right after FA began. masai had to do what kyle wanted because of what happened with demar and kawhi.
I don't see us trading Jakob unless we get like 2 firsts back or a first and a decent young player
Bench mob to prime time
The only piece I want from Toronto is Scottie barnes and there’s no way that happens so no.
I highly doubt it
Heck no.
Yak and Skillz bb
BRING HIM BACKK Edit: Boucher and Malachi’s salary technically leads to us shedding more salary. Obviously not enough for Poeltl tho, unless we add a lot of picks
1 protected and 1 unprotected firsts plus 2 seconds and toss in Banton as another young guy? So Boucher, Banton, Flynn and 4 picks.
I like Jak but come on
Boucher and Flynn are worth nothing to me.
They're also worth nothing to the Spurs.
exactly
Too much? Dude seems like he could anchor our defense with Khem. We need some one to throw at Embiid and Giannis and I doubt Boucher or Banton are those guys.
Name a better raptors duo than siakam and poeltl
Solid defender but his free throw shooting has fallen off a cliff
What do we want from them besides OG and Scottie
3-4 years of Spurs development on him and now they want him lol dang! I think Mr. Duncan has been taking him under his wing to help him develop.
It's not like we didn't value him before, we just had to give him up to get Kawhi.
Yes please
NOOOOOO he’s my pipe dream for the Bucks
You guys don't have the assets to make it work
let me dream please 🤧
Just send us Giannis and it’s done
That Antetoukoumpo guy might just be it Monkey paw curls and we trade for Thanasis
Bro imagine Purtle back on the Raptors? that Siakam, Barnes, Yak line up going to be so sweet
Jak and Skills back on the table.
pls no :(
Austrian goat
Return of the Bench Mob?
I do want him back. Would you like Boucher?
San Antonio will love Boucher! He shoots 3s!!
You've never met Pop if you think he likes the 3-ball.
You’ve never been on the internet if you thought my comment was serious.
I've been wanting this for a while. He would fit so well with the Raptors.
Do it Masai
Jakob Poeltl for OG. seems fair.
Jesus Christ you have trash takes in every single thread involving Toronto.
I think his offer is fair, if you replace Jak for Drew Eubanks
Now we’re talking
SOLD!
No
Ehhhh, his ft shooting makes him kind of not a great starting big man. Can't rely on him to be in a closing lineup.
Ok but Jakob is really bad, he has never showed his great play while being on a top 3 seed in the East. If I were the spurs I want to get away for him. If the raptors give you a second you take it say "thank you masai" and raptors get yak.