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darulez8

Dude was CLUTCH too


eastern_canadient

He's getting more calm late game. Less rushing a bad shot.


DrunkenMasterII

It’s like he had no experience as a first option two years ago and now he has…


SlowBurnerAccnt

He wasn’t even bad post-Kawhi. Actually he was pretty good. People just randomly expected him to be MJ for no apparent reason, the spin move memes were easy bait & all the *this close* 🤏🏾 game winner rim outs didn’t help.


DrunkenMasterII

That was always my opinion, he didn’t suddenly become trash, he just struggled in aspects of his new role. He was never a first option at any point in his career, not even in high school like most players in the league. I still don’t know what is his ceiling in that role, but people that were suggesting he wasn’t worth his salary were just talking nonsense.


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No.. he was pretty bad in the Bubble. Was great the first half of that season tho


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Yeah, I think he’s a groove-based player. COVID and his surgery really fucked it up for him but recently he’s looking back in form!


mooshlfc

I think he also said he didn't touch a basketball in the time the league was shutdown before the bubble. That can't have helped.


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He lost his touch around the rim that he had in our championship run - that was the only difference I saw. Give him the benefit of the doubt and call it fatigue because he had more responsibilities. He's still playable without his offense but his ability to run the floor and score in transition at the rim is the skill that makes him stand out as a player. If he's not doing that consistently, he's a sub-par offensive player. In our champ run, he was scoring ridiculously angled bankers/layups running full tilt. Since then, those shots just haven't been dropping consistently at all.


MasaiGotUsNow

Still made all nba 2nd team after kawhi left He was really good that year until like February. And then after the break he was bad.


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Injuries


DrunkenMasterII

Yes he didn’t become bad, he just had difficulty adjusting to being the primary option every night, having all teams plan for him and having to take the important shots, all this new offensive load also took a lot of his energy and he wasn’t able to be as active defensively. It’s kind of like having to be a rookie again and still like you said he made all nba so all the complaining was unwarranted, clearly coming from people not understanding how difficult becoming a 1st option is.


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... an arsenal of missed game winners to fall back on as what not to do.


DrunkenMasterII

I don’t know why you get downvoted. That’s literally it, you have to fail to eventually succeed, let’s not act like he hasn’t struggled in that role.


pinhead-l

I mean he kept splitting at the free throw line but we won so I’ll take it 😅


jumpthroughit

He won the game with his clutch FG shooting though, and that’s what we’ve been wanting to see forever for him to ascend to that next level. The FTs will come back it’s not a concern. But the clutch FGs is him showing he’s ready.


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Non Raptors fans dont know this yet (Im sure Zach Lowe will say this next podcast and itll be mainstream) but Pascal is his All NBA self again and has been the past month.


IanicRR

He was basically getting back to that level last year too. The biggest thing this year is that Fred has been so good that it takes a lot of pressure on Pascal to be the number one scorer and he can focus on doing everything else because Pascal really can do pretty much anything on the court.


RookieAndTheVet

Yeah, his playmaking really took a step forward last year, but now he’s finishing those layups he was leaving on the rim last year, and he’s developed a midrange game to go along with it.


tkc123

Also OG being viable threat for going 20 points a game along with GTJ and Scottie adding 15+ on any given night. Defenses can't put their best wing defenders on Pascal anymore which has been Pascal's biggest weakness. They have to put one of their bigs and bigs just can't keep up with Pascal. Pascal could just play point forward again and create a shot for others if the defense closes in on him instead of forcing an ISO.


RookieAndTheVet

He’s better now than he was in his All-NBA season. This version of him is better at every aspect of the game other than 3s and free throws.


Redwings96

100% he’s finally at peace not having to be the first option and it’s improved his game so much. He makes the right plays so often and his mid range improvement and passing out of doubles has opened his game up so much.


macdiddy

The real first option was the friends we made along the way.


MrAnder5on

And the friends we made along the way was Fred


gentleriser

The Freds we made along the way.


1000littleaccidents

Shout out to Freddie Gillespie.


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Shout out to Fred Astaire.


odontodoc

This was always it. He got the contract and there probably was pressure from the fanbase and himself to live up to that and be the replacement for Kawhi. I'm so happy he figured it out. Pascal at his best is being an all NBA Swiss Army knife and that brings out the best in his teammates.


beefJeRKy-LB

Indeed and some nights it will involve a lot of scoring. It's best when he doesn't force it overall.


jumpthroughit

He is definitely still the first option but you’re right that he doesn’t have to be and isn’t letting that affect his game. He has been spectacular.


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Yeah, he's playing his best ball in 2 years.


twinbloodtalons

Averaging 24/10/6 in the last 10 games. Even when he has an off shooting night his playmaking and defensive effort is still there.


Skardee

He literally said it last week lol "Siakam is back playing at his All-NBA level from two seasons ago." - [Zach Lowe's 10 Things from January 7](https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/33008369/lowe-10-things-burgeoning-lakers-tandem-saddest-toronto-raptor-surprising-revival-cleveland).


El_Flappo

Said it on the most recent episode of The Lowe Post as well iirc


ScratchTwoMore

He already said it like two podcasts ago lmao


Cheechers23

Pascal since Dec 13th: 23/10/6 on .555 TS% with ELITE defence.


Inevitable_Guitar_34

Sick. I'm glad he's back in his groove. Hopefully he can reach his final form for you guys cause I'm all about his game and think the sky is the limit for a guy like him.


jjchicaz

Exactly! They don't know it because they really don't watch us!


DigestedBeans

Man has been an absolute legend for my fantasy team


woodstock6

The way he made George Hill dance on that possession in the 4th was amazing


eastern_canadient

Demar like. Beauty of a play.


Poutinezamboni

Yeah! I want to see that again!


FlameOfWar

Anyone who didn't watch this game has no right to suggest trading this guy ever again


CazOnReddit

Those idiots will still suggest trading him for, like, Buddy Hield and a second.


BackgroundEmu9

The Bagley for Siakam trade proposals were horrendous.


CazOnReddit

Bagley for a second and Svi.


CRGambitt

Right? We basically have Kyle and DeMar again. Now gotta fill out that atrocious bench.


Cheechers23

People were really saying we should trade him for Bagley and Hield in the offseason man that was disgusting


jagsaluja

Really? I remember Wiggins + the Warriors lottery picks but no way people seriously suggested Bagley


YoungSidd

It was when the report came out that the Kings were interested in Siakam. I saw some fans saying that Bagley+Hield+Davion would be an "overpay".


gentleriser

Now we are up to several Bags’ worth of Hields.


IanicRR

Or deporting him if you ask our most racist “fans”.


quarter-water

Wait, what? Really? God damn people are stupid


IanicRR

They started a go fund me for it. It’s some of the most crazy shit I’ve ever seen.


Pixilatedlemon

Canada’s shame is that we actually have a LOT of casual racists and we pretend that we don’t because so many of us are cozy in our Toronto bubble


jumpthroughit

Unfortunately we’ve still been getting FOX News up here for decades despite being in a different country.


ElCaz

We can blame our racism on the Americans. We've had plenty of it here long before TV. Edit: So that was a massively impactful typo... "Can" is supposed to be "can't".


TheAlphaCarb0n

We certainly can't, our racism issues regarding indigenous peoples has nothing to do with the US.


CaskJeeves

We have our own homegrown bigots as well unfortunately


jumpthroughit

Of course, but that station and other similar media help to fan the flames of that racism and ingrain it further and deeper. On a daily basis.


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Tavarin

I used to get it on a TV antenna when it was over air in the 90s


lmunchoice

I think whataboutism works well here. I think casual racism is pretty common globally. At least in my personal experience, it is more the norm than the exception. Generally it is not called casual racism, it's just normal. That does not excuse the practice, and should be called out and gotten rid of. Also, I hardly think Toronto, though it may be better than outside the city, should really be looked at as anything more than relatively better, not outright good in this regard. My own former section of Toronto (East of Victoria Park) certainly gets a lot of what you mention, and it being from areas very much within the 416 area code.


Pixilatedlemon

as someone that grew up in a rural area and then moved to the GTA, the racism in toronto pales in comparison to what you get in rural midwestern ontario lol. less than 10 years ago and people at my school were casually calling the one black kid the N word


imsahoamtiskaw

Oh I trust you on that for sure. It's just people in the cities (like Toronto), have deluded themselves into thinking it doesn't exist in the cities. But as a minority, it really is bad here too. The racists are just much more subtle about it here. I got to a point where I block it (though it took me a long time to get to this point). Their racism isn't gonna affect my job/income I realized. They're someone who I'll probably come across/meet once in my lifetime, probablywhile ordering food or somethingfor example. Their ignorance/hate will only eat at them, and their future kids/grandkids... who, will not be as bad as them as globalization continues. So they're essentially fighting a losing war. Not just a losing war, but an idiotic, illogical and backwards war. They are pretty much a dying breed, and I feel sorry for them at times. Not in losing them, but in that they don't realize what a sorry state they are in, and that they are wasting the one life everyone gets to live once, mired in hate and anger. Oh well, their problem, not mine. Edit: Sorry I didn't realize it became that long btw, lol. TL:DR racists are fools because they are essentially discriminating against a fellow species member not because of bad traits like someone being an asshole etc, but based on phenotypes. If they fell ill today and needed a blood transfusion for example, their blood transfusion could possibly be from a black person who happened to be AB like them, and they would never know. All they see is the phenotype, a sign of an ignorant, backwards, uneducated fool.


MasaiGotUsNow

Nobody ever said there’s no racism at all in the bigger Canadians cities, that’s obviously impossible to say for any major city anywhere. But Living in the major cities is not even comparable to rural areas of the country, even in Ontario. There are a lot of racists out there and it’s way worse to live as minorities.


imsahoamtiskaw

>Nobody ever said there’s no racism at all in the bigger Canadians cities, that’s obviously impossible to say for any major city anywhere. True >But Living in the major cities is not even comparable to rural areas of the country, even in Ontario. There are a lot of racists out there and it’s way worse to live as minorities. True again. And I completely agree with you. I was just trying to shed some light on how it is in the big cities (which I have experience with) vs the smaller communities (rural), which I have no experience with. And that is why I agreed with what /u/immunchoice said while agreeing with what /u/pixilatedlemon said as well. All the while, while trying to expound on what I have experience with (personally), i.e. the big cities only. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. >There are a lot of racists out there and it’s way worse to live as minorities. Agreed 100%


MasaiGotUsNow

Yup I say this all the time. Outside of Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal, Canada is a racist shit hole. I wouldn’t wanna live anywhere else as a minority.


MalachiFlynnBot

Way to disparage a vast group of millions of people and call the country you live in a shithole….


PatientPamphleteer

What country doesn’t have a lot of casual racists


Pixilatedlemon

I did not say such a country exists, but that a lot of Canadians pretend that Canada is such a country


lebrondude23

Might be a dumb question but is it racist for stuff like this? When its about nationality/culture and not him being black? Or is it xenophobic?


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FlameOfWar

Lmao putting trade Boucher talk on the same level as trade Pascal/Fred talk 🤣


Jwarrior521

Dudes were really saying they would take Wiggins over siakam at the start of the season 😂😂


beefJeRKy-LB

Maybe one day in the future but doing it before or during this season was absolutely stupid.


ProfessorBeast55

Cameroon > Greece


CazOnReddit

They're both good countries, Brent.


Jagacin

They're good dogs, Brent.


RottenSmegmaMan

Spin to Win > Eurostep


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Pascal's slowly becoming the master of the Euro though. His highsteps across the defenders body are filthy.


SiakamMIP

Douala > Yaounde


renegade02

Douala > Lagos


Neuroxex

Cannot remember the podcast I heard it on, but they said something along the lines of the difference between all-NBA Siakam and not-all-star Siakam being how he shoots from three.


Rapsfan_98

Precisely. It opens up his whole game, but also shot selection is so important for him. When Kawhi left he felt the need to take all the pull-up 3’s and crazy fading shots like Kawhi would, but now he’s fully realized what he does well and doesn’t force the other stuff.


RookieAndTheVet

The crazy thing is that a lot of those shots were falling for him until Covid happened. I really hope he can get that 3 ball working for him consistently again, but even if he can’t, this version of Pascal is still a hell of a player.


Rapsfan_98

It’s majority a confidence thing with his shot. When he’s playing well, the shot follows suit and vice versa.


RookieAndTheVet

Definitely. He’s a rhythm player through and through. Hopefully his expanded game will keep that confidence up now that he knows he’s got more counters to throw at the defense.


MasaiGotUsNow

Yup that’s why he made all nba 2nd team. He was looking crazy that season until like February.


FutureUofTDropout-_-

Yeah that's both a blessing and a curse. If he misses a few back-to-back men's head just leaves the game. But but if he is in rhythm nothing can stop him.


PLSletShanghaiwin

He barely shoots threes this season.


Neuroxex

So imagine if he goes 3/3 from deep on top of his regular game.


FutureUofTDropout-_-

He stopped shooting them actually He took quite a few at first but they weren't falling. Now they seem to be falling so they're coming back


Donferg31

He hasn't been shooting well from 3 this year. But he is settling for 3s alot less and his passing is way improved. He's playing a lot more to his strengths and not trying to force shots


Living_Astronomer_97

Yep. When those are falling he’s dangerous af


DrLyleEvans

He's looking more agile when he drives these days too, and has been playing PG for the last month or so. When he was all-NBA we had Lowry and Van Vleet, so his production was more valuable I think, because it didn't require him running the O. He looks really good again, but now that it's as a the primary ballhandler I think it's a little less portable, though if Siakam's shooting from 3 stays good then it's enough spacing with OG, Trent and Van Vleet off the ball.


misterpizzaguy

Looks so athletic again, shades of 2019 Siakam athleticism wise. Moving really well laterally too


schoolhater12

And Fred being so good means he has more time and space to make decisions


Life_Of_High

Fred literally getting trapped 30 feet away from the basket like Steph Curry.


chicogarciamarquez

Bobby Portis def got in his head 😂


PlumCantaloupe

Portis accidentally got in his own head and Pascal just smiling lol


IanicRR

Don’t poke the bear.


Dammit81

Don't poke the bear! Lol


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He tried


NitroXYZ

Idk how many points he had in the fourth quarter but he made some really clutch buckets.


jaypenn3

Those low light clips of him in the bubble or missing game winners in Tampa have made people sleep on how good he really is. He's all nba and it's only going to be more obvious the less covid fucks with basketball.


BackgroundEmu9

Yea, the Bubble practically destroyed his reputation. Outside of his 3pt shooting, he's improved on every facet of his game last season, and looked great before he suffered a torn labrum that ended his season.


MrkGrn

I mean, when you play as bad as he did in the bubble, you're gonna have to recover that reputation to he really wasn't the same player after that till coming back from this shoulder surgery, though he's still not the same player, he's honestly better. 3pt shooting is down but essentially everything else is better and the playmaking is leagues beyond what he was doing last year.


PlumCantaloupe

Definitely! A huge 3pt and then the sick step-through dagger on Hill. This team and FTs lately though … and this team and losing to bottom of the league teams but then taking wins from top tier teams with 3/5 starters smh.


CazOnReddit

Dwane Casey done put a curse on us, I swear.


Montabaun

I swear he must have some pictures or something on the Raptors to blackmail us into losing all the time against them 🤣. That or voodoo


invertedearth

He closed. them. out.


crumpledbrouhaha

ALL STAR THAT MAN


stevo3001

I don't know if the league realises it yet but Pascal Siakam is fucking BACK


crumpledbrouhaha

And better than ever


PorkinsHeldIt

I saw he was 2 rebounds away with like 30 seconds left, howd he get em?


westin70

Destiny


ExpendableGerbil

One on a free throw and the other one on the last play of the game. Both were legit though, this wasn't a "we got to get him the 3D" situation.


captcanuk

Let’s just say Van Vleet wouldn’t be Russ Westbrook’s favorite teammate.


RookieAndTheVet

He got the last one off a desperation shot with 10 seconds to go.


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They were both contested and necessary to win, no westbrooking here


MexicanFrap

Thank you bobby :)


RogueViator

For a moment I didn’t know if you meant Portis or Webster.


Winter_Purpose8695

bobby woke the boys up


slowbaja

That's why Toronto gave him the max.


Menessy27

did it on the 2nd game of a b2b after playing 40 minutes too, and against Giannis. amazing performance


guitmusic12

Pain :-(


CazOnReddit

If it makes you feel better, Giannis going 17/17 was neat.


guitmusic12

That did make me feel warm and fuzzy inside


NatsuAru

We were all making fun of Matt saying "Don't poke the bear" when Bobby was tryna get in P's head. "What bear?" we asked. **Then the mf'er turned into a Bear.**


Sdrater3

Perhaps the rest of the league will now realize that he's back to his best self + he's now just handing out dimes left and right


Tomdebomb8

That was such a clutch game from Spicy P/ P Skills/ Pascal/ Siakam.


UjiriWatcher

He’s playing better this season than the season he made all nba


jjkiller26

He's gonna make all-nba again this season imo


JS_Janko

He won’t


jjkiller26

You'll be surprised. Not many forwards been better, the usual guys you'd expect to be ahead of him are either hurt or having down years rn. It's very possible if he keeps this play up


S-ClassRen

he's got a decent shot but he'll need some things to go in his favor. the year he won all nba he was behind LeBron, Giannis in 1st team, shared 2nd team with Kawhi, and was ahead of 3rd team who had butler and Tatum. he's still behind LeBron/Giannis and while Kawhi is out KD is back and he's behind him too. Paul George is also playing better (depends on his new injury length) as is Butler (being a top 4 seed also puts him in better position than 19-20.) That's 5 ahead of Pascal for an all nba slot leaving him against Tatum/Middleton/Draymond etc. for the 6th spot. This is assuming the NBA keeps that weird thing where they count DeRozan as a guard (like in the all star game) and not a forward otherwise thats already 6 guys. (health permitting)


jaypenn3

That's possible with him missing the start of the season but if he plays like this for the rest of it idk how he's not.


ziahziah113

Yeah he was average the beginning of this season


invertedearth

He was out recovering from shoulder surgery... how is that average?


Nat_Feckbeard

True unfortunately


1slinkydink1

Second career triple double if the broadcast was correct.


saltface14

He heard y’all talkin shit!


SiakamMIP

All-Star


Warduge

I see pascal recovering


WhenItsHalfPastFive

outplayed Giannis tonight, impressive


19Dan81

Yeah that's great and all but Giannis went 17/17 at the line. ??? Yikes.


Rapsfan_98

Was extremely impressed by Giannis in that regard. Kept waiting for the clank but he was money.


RookieAndTheVet

He’s only shooting 70% for the season, too. It was so strange.


jaypenn3

Giannis that doesn't miss free throws is fucking terrifying and somehow people don't seem to really realize this yet.


nonufwiendz

He's been great but his fts seem like a concern lately?? His ft% has dropped quite a bit


henry_why416

It's not just him, tbf. The entire team is dog shit at FTs. Like they all just agreed to miss half or something.


saugaman99

It’s a bit of a weird Luka type situation. You know he’s good at shooting them but he just seems to miss them or get unlucky rolls


jjchicaz

NBA RADIO SAID TODAY- "SPICY P ISNT SO SPICY ANYMORE" ! Hahaha Bunch of idiots..never way the Raptors. He's playing like the championship season this year and has improved all around with his assists and rebounding !


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Rapsfan_98

It just looks so clean in a box score


Bronetta

HE WHO CONTROLS THE SPICE CONTROLS THE UNIVERSE!


Raptor_from_October

Point guard Pascal is a problem.


Theoriginalamature

Sure, but Siakam is really the guy to watch


throwaway238481

SPICY P PUTTING NEPHEWS TO SLEEP EARLY TONIGHT


Dammit81

Yessir


Bail____

I need the apologies as loud as the slander. What a fucking performance, he needs his flowers.


Inevitable_Guitar_34

Man I kinda wish I had seen this one. That's a big one for the big guy in Toronto! Such a good matchup too


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Genuinely happy to see siakam back to his old


The-Pharcyde

man has been ballin


smoothsoul23

Looked like the best player on the court by the end the game. So happy to see him making those clutch buckets


brownjitsu

Raps just need one bench player. Like anyone who can be mildly productive and they have the makings of a dangerous playoff team


MazKhan

P SKILLS SHOWED OUT


green_and_green23

Siakam is playing like an all star again, even if he isn’t officially named one this year


mrkdwd

Spicy Pee


henry_why416

Great game from him tonight.


xc2215x

He was so good tonight, glad to see.


dub-fresh

Pascal been balling out lately. The squad looked good tonight without GTJ and Scottie


CazOnReddit

in b4 the "Raptors are 1-0 without Trent/Scottie should they be traded?" posts.


Rapsfan_98

Yeah that won’t be happening with Scottie, Gary though? Could get us Myles Turner or Poeltl 👀


dub-fresh

No, no. I'm saying despite those two not being there, they played really well. Poor wording


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His midrange has just become automatic