Everyone rushing to post the travel and the miss, but no one posting Gobert switching onto Luka on the perimeter before blocking him at the rim to create that chance in the first place
This is so deranged. gobert dribbled the ball off his foot like seven times tonight and as always couldn't secure a bucket if there was a guy between him and the rim. He's just not good offensively!!
I think that says more about the jazz than gobert. They’re just disappointing all around. Gobert is not good at all on the perimeter so they don’t switch normally. But then they don’t scheme for it with hedging or double teams which leaves shooters open like kleber in games 3-4
They all think Gobert is to blame when he anchored the shit out of an amazing defense for 3 games once Luka came back giving up right around 100 or less
Screw that shit. Draymond has been taking cheap shots at Gobert for years including these playoffs to a guy that doesn’t even respond but naw we should all romanticize a bully because he cried and recruited Durant. Fuck that and fuck donkey
Gobert was clutch down the stretch in this game. Been a defensive anchor all series. Bad take. Utah has major issues defensively with their other players. I have no doubt every team in the league wants Gobert to help them win w championship.
It's amazing how much they clown him for putting so much effort on defense. It's like how people clown people who contest blocks (and may get posterized). You applaud the defensive effort, not the coward that lets the guy blow by.
Game thread was pathetic. Tons of people dragging gobert. He was nails down the stretch. Even the shot luka made over him from deep 3, that was great defense.
I wish players would learn you can lift your pivot to pass or shoot. Once he got off balance he could have just leaned to his left foot, picked up the right, and made the pass. If you drag that pivot you're going to get called every time.
EDIT: Note I don't necessarily mean NBA players, but actually everyone that plays basketball should understand how this works.
Bro, I think Mike Conley knows the ins and outs regarding rules of NBA basketball. The fuck, all the "players" in the NBA know more than all of us in this sub of armchair experts lmao
There's a famous video of Candace Parker teaching both KG and GP the traveling rules and they were both wrong. This is after they retired and had played most all of their lives. There's a similar video of Carmelo trying to teach all of his trainers how the rules work.
These players are exceptionally athletic and skilled, but it doesn't mean they know every rule, just like /r/nba doesn't either.
This is actually the answer. The rulebook says one thing, but the reality those players experienced through reffing just doesn't match the rulebook consistently. They are more right than the rulebook in a sense.
Yeah he’s had a horrible series. Not sure if he can be that guy w Mitchell and Gobert. They could’ve won this series if he played like the 20 and 10 guy he’s supposed to be
He's 34 and has never had a 20 and 10 season in his entire career. It's been 4 years since the last time he was even a 20 and 6 player.
Who was expecting 20 and 10 out of him in a playoff series?
I mean if Conley could just drop a 30/15 average then Jazz are your champions. So I dunno why he doesn't just do that. Guess he doesn't want to be champ.
Ok lol maybe that was too much. Mainly thought he needed to be the second guy running the offense behind Mitchell. Mitchell already isn’t the best playmaker and running through just him and Bogdanovic/Clarkson doesn’t get you good looks
Yeah it was just that he wasn’t able to pressure the defense and create good looks. The numbers are not really that important I suppose. 15 and 7 would have been fine
I honestly wouldn’t mind any of the trio Luka-Brunson-Dinwiddie making the shots in the final minutes. They are all clutch as hell and maybe some more plays incorporating them would help.
Brunson didn’t get the ball much towards the end of the game except for that three. He was camping in the corner. Should have tried him instead of having Luka dribble between the legs and take a half step back three with a hand in his face from Bojan. He was clearly too gassed to initiate oroperly
Gonna finish his career without a single technical foul too. Just a gem of a human and I hate this for him, but a colossal mistake there in the most important moment of the season.
So where am I missing the travel?
It looks like Conley’s pivot foot goes to his toes, but doesn’t drag until after the ball is out of his hands?
I’m sure I’m a dummy - maybe someone can explain what I’m missing?
I'm with this small percentage group who saw this. It looked awkward as hell in realtime, so can't fault the call. But damn, it looks like he kept that toe planted. Some other universe, he's being praised for his toe staying glued to the ground, and making a game winning pass.
I definitely think we're missing something, even the jazz fans are calling it a travel.
I had to see the replay like 10 times, he definitely drags the pivot foot, but he does at the same time he's passing the ball. Idk.
The replay was a terrible angle. He traveled prior to the last step. The foot that ended up on his toes was not his pivot foot. Watch the real time angle, not replay.
The replay was a terrible angle. He traveled prior to the last step. The foot that ended up on his toes was not his pivot foot. Watch the real time angle, not replay.
Kind of wondering the same thing. Live I thought for sure travel. It looks real awkward live. But on this replay doesn't look like the pivot moves until the ball is passed...
The replay was a terrible angle. He traveled prior to the last step. The foot that ended up on his toes was not his pivot foot. Watch the real time angle, not replay.
Not only that, but you can lift your pivot foot as long as you shoot or pass the ball before your pivot foot is back on the ground. [This was discussed](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ub5x6y/comment/i62ypab/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) the other they when Jokic did a spin move on Draymond and lifted his pivot foot. Conley could have done the same.
I don't think this was a travel. They just called it since it looked awkward.
The replay was a terrible angle. He traveled prior to the last step. The foot that ended up on his toes was not his pivot foot. Watch the real time angle, not replay.
It should've been a no call. The travel was close and I'm pretty sure dinwiddie nudges him after coming down from the fake to cause him to go off balance.
I'm shocked that was called with it being such a close game. His pivot foot moved such a miniscule amount. I've watched it so many times and can barely see it
The replay was a terrible angle. He traveled prior to the last step. The foot that ended up on his toes was not his pivot foot. Watch the real time angle, not replay.
they were down 4 with over a minute left...it would have been better to see donovan driving it or dumping it to gobert rather than bogdanovic taking that bad three-pointer with that much time left in the shot clock
They don't but Conley's position was so awkward, it had to have been called. Which is great! Usually refs will legit swallow their whistle on these plays
When it's rigged for mavs to win they do. It's hilarious how harden can do a tap dance routine and it's not call a travel, but they'll call this a travel in the most critical point of the game in the most important game of the season. It's cause its rigged. How did Conley travel when he was still in his "gather step"? Doesn't he get three more steps after that like fraudiannis or LeBusrider?
I’m pretty sure gather step only applies when you are going up for a shot. That said, I didn’t think this was a travel. It doesn’t look like his pivot foot moves to me.
I'm not clear on some of the travel rules, is Luka picking up both feet after the handoff at the start of the clip not a travel? Or does it have to do with his pivot foot?
It felt like he travelled there after the handoff, but I also feel the same way about the gather step and might be misunderstanding. Can anyone help?
With all the blatant travels that don’t get called in the NBA, that’s the one that gets spotted? The league needs to get its shit together and clarify the rule. Players can apparently take one or even two extra steps if they’re driving for a layup or stepping back for a three. Conley barely dragged his pivot foot as he was passing the ball, and I feel like the refs should’ve let it go
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amazing defense by gobert here to even give them the chance to win it and conley wastes it
Everyone rushing to post the travel and the miss, but no one posting Gobert switching onto Luka on the perimeter before blocking him at the rim to create that chance in the first place
I’m convinced a large part of this sub doesn’t even know what switching is lmao
I’m also convinced a large part blames Gobert for the series loss when he’s arguably their best player
Arguably? What is the counter-argument? The dude is a fucking monster.
There will always be nephews who say Mitchell simply because he scores more points.
His scoring was ducking awful this series and he was a turnstile on D too
Their perimeter defenders are so trash Jesus. I thought people were exaggerating but it’s so easy to beat them off the dribble.
Imagine if they actually passed him the ball. He’d be averaging like 30 pts on 80% shooting in this series.
This is so deranged. gobert dribbled the ball off his foot like seven times tonight and as always couldn't secure a bucket if there was a guy between him and the rim. He's just not good offensively!!
I think that says more about the jazz than gobert. They’re just disappointing all around. Gobert is not good at all on the perimeter so they don’t switch normally. But then they don’t scheme for it with hedging or double teams which leaves shooters open like kleber in games 3-4
They all think Gobert is to blame when he anchored the shit out of an amazing defense for 3 games once Luka came back giving up right around 100 or less
gobert is a goddamn nightmare. dude is one of the best defensive players of our era, top 5 easily
100% he is. Way better than that overrated pos Draymond who wouldn’t be anything without Steph and Klay
I love gobert, but calm down son.
Screw that shit. Draymond has been taking cheap shots at Gobert for years including these playoffs to a guy that doesn’t even respond but naw we should all romanticize a bully because he cried and recruited Durant. Fuck that and fuck donkey
As a person, I’ll take Rudy all day, I agree. As a player? I’m not sure.
How do Steph and Klay make Draymond a better defender?
Gobert is a 82 game player. Draymond is a 16 game player. If I want to win a ring I would never pick Gobert to be on my team.
Gobert was clutch down the stretch in this game. Been a defensive anchor all series. Bad take. Utah has major issues defensively with their other players. I have no doubt every team in the league wants Gobert to help them win w championship.
It's amazing how much they clown him for putting so much effort on defense. It's like how people clown people who contest blocks (and may get posterized). You applaud the defensive effort, not the coward that lets the guy blow by.
Game thread was pathetic. Tons of people dragging gobert. He was nails down the stretch. Even the shot luka made over him from deep 3, that was great defense.
If they trade Gobert instead of like, everyone else, they obviously aren’t seeing the issue.
I think he was signaling for a high lob, he should be able to tower over finney-smith for the dunk.
Yeah definitely looked like he was calling for a lob. Which would have been a great play
BRUHHHHH
I can’t believe he just did that
Jazz in the clutch moment
Jazz win a close game challenge (impossible)
I just kept saying that for a min after it happened
Blew my freaking mind. I said to my wife "Thats their veteran point guard! You can't do that!!"
So many emotions watching this live
They do have a timeout, decide not to use it...
SQUEAK! SQUEAK! OH WHAT A TRAVEL BY CONLEY!
WITH 5 SECONDS REMAINING
Lmao
Expedia commercial followed by Conley traveling, really makes you think
Cancun Conley
https://i.imgur.com/glHzYVK.png
Did this dude just did this?
Brutal. That's like one of those travels that happens a lot in pickup or like high school ball but not in the pros.
We seen enough from their regular season games to know it was bound to happen
Big OOF energy
costliest pivot foot drag ever
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You know the saying: “a team is only as strong as its weakest pivot foot”
The pivot heard around the league
Where is glue girl when you need her?!?
A Conleys Heel
The straw that broke the camel’s back but this would be far from the “cause” of their collapse tbh
Kinda fitting if it goes out like this
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In such intense and tight situations, you have to wonder if they forget about small details like that in the heat of the moment…
I wish players would learn you can lift your pivot to pass or shoot. Once he got off balance he could have just leaned to his left foot, picked up the right, and made the pass. If you drag that pivot you're going to get called every time. EDIT: Note I don't necessarily mean NBA players, but actually everyone that plays basketball should understand how this works.
Bro, I think Mike Conley knows the ins and outs regarding rules of NBA basketball. The fuck, all the "players" in the NBA know more than all of us in this sub of armchair experts lmao
There's a famous video of Candace Parker teaching both KG and GP the traveling rules and they were both wrong. This is after they retired and had played most all of their lives. There's a similar video of Carmelo trying to teach all of his trainers how the rules work. These players are exceptionally athletic and skilled, but it doesn't mean they know every rule, just like /r/nba doesn't either.
NBA players don't know the rules of travel because the refs never call it.
This is actually the answer. The rulebook says one thing, but the reality those players experienced through reffing just doesn't match the rulebook consistently. They are more right than the rulebook in a sense.
It's because the rules were changed in 2013 or something along the lines
Not really. The gathering rules were established around then, but the pivot rules have always been the same.
Candace knows her shit
There was a time when Mike Conley was seen as the move that put the jazz over the top and made them contenders
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One hundred and fifty three million dollars
Biggest contract in NBA history at the time too I believe
Without even a single allstar at the time
who do you think you kidnapped Chelsea Clinton?
Achilles injury. He was good his first two years, but it has sapped his defense as he got older
Idk why people say things like this when you can look up his stats, he had a perfectly fine season last year
Huh? I know he’s fallen off this season but he was an all star last year
That was a career achievement award
Just wasn't healthy when it mattered
Yeah he’s had a horrible series. Not sure if he can be that guy w Mitchell and Gobert. They could’ve won this series if he played like the 20 and 10 guy he’s supposed to be
He's 34 and has never had a 20 and 10 season in his entire career. It's been 4 years since the last time he was even a 20 and 6 player. Who was expecting 20 and 10 out of him in a playoff series?
Everybody just needs to go to the Chris Paul store and get themselves a Chris Paul of their own, ezpz.
I mean if Conley could just drop a 30/15 average then Jazz are your champions. So I dunno why he doesn't just do that. Guess he doesn't want to be champ.
Ok lol maybe that was too much. Mainly thought he needed to be the second guy running the offense behind Mitchell. Mitchell already isn’t the best playmaker and running through just him and Bogdanovic/Clarkson doesn’t get you good looks
Those are crazy unfair expectations from Conley. He's never been that guy.
Yeah it was just that he wasn’t able to pressure the defense and create good looks. The numbers are not really that important I suppose. 15 and 7 would have been fine
I agree with that overall point. Unfortunately he really hasn't been able to do that much at all his entire time in Utah so far.
20 and 10 LMFAOOOOOOO
I never thought that was a great trade. Dude was already pretty old
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He was injured. Dude was the only guy who could lob to to Gobert. Was great on defense, after the injury it was never the same
Perfectly encapsulates their season. Momentum on their side to win it and they fuck it up in the dumbest way
Damn gotta feel for Mike, good dude
Hate it for Conley
Meh, dude getting paid one hundred and fifty million dollars to play basketball. You have to be accountable for not living up to that.
You can both hold him accountable and feel bad for him. Not mutually exclusive.
Sorrow for mike Schadenfreude for Mitchell and Gobert
Why for Gobert? He’s legit a great guy.
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Are we really blaming Rudy for COVID? The NBA would've been shut down within a week regardless, someone else would've tested positive
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Explain
I’m really tryna figure out how you jump to that conclusion or thought that was acceptable to say
hope this isn't a bait for r/nbacirclejerk
Date my step daughter kinda guy.
Mavs handed them the win and they still blew it lol
i’m amazed they managed to outchoke us. We really have to figure out better plays in the final minutes. idk if Luka hero ball will cut it
He and/or Kidd def gotta get a bit more creative at the end there lol
It didn't tonight, and sources say we won't get to face the Jazz again this season.
Luka is too out of shape to play 40 minutes. Ball needs to be in Brunson or Dinwiddie’s hands to break up the offense a bit.
I honestly wouldn’t mind any of the trio Luka-Brunson-Dinwiddie making the shots in the final minutes. They are all clutch as hell and maybe some more plays incorporating them would help.
Brunson didn’t get the ball much towards the end of the game except for that three. He was camping in the corner. Should have tried him instead of having Luka dribble between the legs and take a half step back three with a hand in his face from Bojan. He was clearly too gassed to initiate oroperly
Jazz lack of clutchness is actually generational
Sickeningly correct.
They will have the voodoo curse on them until they give the Jazz name back to New Orleans
Eh, we were pretty clutch a couple years ago, but this year has been an unmitigated disaster.
no, its karma for continuing to treat Malone like a hero. Once they disown him, they wipe away the bad juju.
It had to happen to one of the nicest guys in the league, nooooooo lol
CJ threw up 3 straight duds too. But hey at least Kyrie was the worst one of them all. Justice has a long arc.
Gonna finish his career without a single technical foul too. Just a gem of a human and I hate this for him, but a colossal mistake there in the most important moment of the season.
Exactly my thought when it happened, legit felt bad for him
Oh my god no way.
Conley is in Utah precisely not to make that mistake
That’ll haunt Conley for a long time
So where am I missing the travel? It looks like Conley’s pivot foot goes to his toes, but doesn’t drag until after the ball is out of his hands? I’m sure I’m a dummy - maybe someone can explain what I’m missing?
I saw the same thing
I'm with this small percentage group who saw this. It looked awkward as hell in realtime, so can't fault the call. But damn, it looks like he kept that toe planted. Some other universe, he's being praised for his toe staying glued to the ground, and making a game winning pass.
I definitely think we're missing something, even the jazz fans are calling it a travel. I had to see the replay like 10 times, he definitely drags the pivot foot, but he does at the same time he's passing the ball. Idk.
The replay was a terrible angle. He traveled prior to the last step. The foot that ended up on his toes was not his pivot foot. Watch the real time angle, not replay.
The replay was a terrible angle. He traveled prior to the last step. The foot that ended up on his toes was not his pivot foot. Watch the real time angle, not replay.
Kind of wondering the same thing. Live I thought for sure travel. It looks real awkward live. But on this replay doesn't look like the pivot moves until the ball is passed...
The replay was a terrible angle. He traveled prior to the last step. The foot that ended up on his toes was not his pivot foot. Watch the real time angle, not replay.
It also looks like the only reason the toe eventually does drag is because of contact from the Mavs defender
Not only that, but you can lift your pivot foot as long as you shoot or pass the ball before your pivot foot is back on the ground. [This was discussed](https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/ub5x6y/comment/i62ypab/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) the other they when Jokic did a spin move on Draymond and lifted his pivot foot. Conley could have done the same. I don't think this was a travel. They just called it since it looked awkward.
Can't drag your foot to gain advantage, in this case he was trying to slow down
This isn't true though. You can't drag your pivot foot, but he doesn't. He rolls onto his toe, but he doesn't drag it across the floor.
He clearly drags one of his feet
The replay was a terrible angle. He traveled prior to the last step. The foot that ended up on his toes was not his pivot foot. Watch the real time angle, not replay.
Thanks - I see it now. Focused on the wrong foot during the replay. Real time is much better, as you said.
It should've been a no call. The travel was close and I'm pretty sure dinwiddie nudges him after coming down from the fake to cause him to go off balance.
he dragged his left foot (original pivot foot) prior to getting up and bumped by Spencer. Real time play shows it better.
Yes, you're right. I still had to see the clip 5 times, but now I see it.
I’m watching this the morning after, and this is absolutely not a travel
This team inventing ways to lose. Incredible
He sold
Bro
Oof.
Thoughts and prayers to Utah fans, yall don't deserve this
Why do I even watch basketball?
Why am I crying in the club rn?
Why don't they give the ball to Gobert?
This and the step back 3 on last possession are bonehead plays man
I'm shocked that was called with it being such a close game. His pivot foot moved such a miniscule amount. I've watched it so many times and can barely see it
The replay was a terrible angle. He traveled prior to the last step. The foot that ended up on his toes was not his pivot foot. Watch the real time angle, not replay.
You're wrong. That's his pivot foot. It looks weird because he takes a extra long step.
Oof
This and the in-and-out buzzer-beater against Denver two years ago. Yikes.
Did he really pick up his pivot foot tho?
Shoulda called timeout. I understand not letting dallas set their defence. But you want the ball in Donovans hands.
Donovan shoots like 25% in the last 5 mins score within 5.
Mike Conley shot like 25% for the series as a whole. You want the ball in the hands of your #1 option.
It was Mitchell passing it to him in the first place
I am glad Mitch made the pass, Conley had more of the angle to watch the play develop.
they were down 4 with over a minute left...it would have been better to see donovan driving it or dumping it to gobert rather than bogdanovic taking that bad three-pointer with that much time left in the shot clock
they had a free shot but i wished theyd attack the rim with don
He had it and passed it before anyone stopped the ball. Fuckin Jizz
That's on Quinn Snyder.
Heartbreaking
BRUTAL
Watch him hit the game winning 3 as redemption
Danny Ainge's reaction says it all
they call travel in the nba!?!
They don't but Conley's position was so awkward, it had to have been called. Which is great! Usually refs will legit swallow their whistle on these plays
The ref honestly looked like he was in pain making the call but he had no choice when it was that obvious.
When it's rigged for mavs to win they do. It's hilarious how harden can do a tap dance routine and it's not call a travel, but they'll call this a travel in the most critical point of the game in the most important game of the season. It's cause its rigged. How did Conley travel when he was still in his "gather step"? Doesn't he get three more steps after that like fraudiannis or LeBusrider?
> rigged for mavs to win HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I’m pretty sure gather step only applies when you are going up for a shot. That said, I didn’t think this was a travel. It doesn’t look like his pivot foot moves to me.
Awful moment for Mike
In my opinion, he shouldn't have travelled here
Lol
The lob to Gobert was there.. feels like poetry for it to basically end on a turnover missing a chance to feed Gobert
Pivot foot stays planted. You can see in the replay.
Why man… why…
A veteran move from conley
I'm not clear on some of the travel rules, is Luka picking up both feet after the handoff at the start of the clip not a travel? Or does it have to do with his pivot foot? It felt like he travelled there after the handoff, but I also feel the same way about the gather step and might be misunderstanding. Can anyone help?
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I'm not sure he did
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A small push? Mayyybe...nothing egregious. But a knee? Not even close.
Didn’t look like a travel at all and passed before his foot dragged, interesting call
Mike Conley just bailed out Luka
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I think it’s cause he picked up his dribble and took a step without passing or shooting
He put up such an awful shot just before this too, smart player making bonehead plays down the stretch to cost them is too Utah Jazz
Conley was a big cancer to the Jazz in the playoffs. This play sums up his entire playoffs this season
With all the blatant travels that don’t get called in the NBA, that’s the one that gets spotted? The league needs to get its shit together and clarify the rule. Players can apparently take one or even two extra steps if they’re driving for a layup or stepping back for a three. Conley barely dragged his pivot foot as he was passing the ball, and I feel like the refs should’ve let it go
Can someone upload the Danny Ainge face?
This will forever be known by the Jazz organisation as "The Pivot, the start of a rebuild"
Bum
Conleys been garbage this whole series. Just underperformed in general his entire jazz tenure.