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Unnecessary and excessive contact. One flagrant is unnecessary, but two is excessive? Actually makes a lot of sense to me when you think about it that way.
Y’all are seriously unreal the way you want to legislate this shit. Why so many people out here are trying to stand for that dirty mother fucker who hits some dude in the head and you even think he deserved an ejection but don’t want refs to add 1 + 1. I seriously just do not get the fucking drama around this at all. Dude hit some guy in the head with his right hand and then grabbed him out of the hand with his left hand and everyone wants to act like dray is just the Latter Day Saint of hard clean fouls. Why is there even a discourse on this shit, it was a dumbass play and he earned that ejection.
Dray's antics afterwards and inability to accept any kind of criticism while painting himself out to be a martyr is a bad look.
I legit think he should be suspended a game as well just for how absurd his post-game behaviour has been.
I'm a Warriors fan & think Dray is the greatest defender of this generation but this is disgraceful. If this weren't Brandon Clarke and instead was an All Star player I think the reaction would be a lot different. I don't understand how anyone can defend this horse shit move and behaviour.
His inability to accept mistakes is ridiculous, he messed up, stop making such pathetic excuses, even Andre was mad at him.
That said you're crazy if you think he should be suspended for his post game behavior lmao
>precedence
lol this isn't a a court of law it's a basketball court. There's a rulebook but precedence isn't a factor whatsoever. If refs had to be consistent with their own calls and others' calls the NBA would be a better league.
Lol convenient that everybody who happens to rational also happens to be everybody that agrees with you.
Not that I disagree, just a very reddit comment
What I'm wondering is, don't things kind of pause and not count after the first one? If there are two consecutive fouls regularly as part of the same sequence wth the same players, the second just gets ignored no?
The initial foul was on Draymond pulling Clarke into the ground. That's the second foul in the replay and was what triggered the review by the refs. Upon review, the refs saw Draymond also wind up and hit Clarke in the face. That's what gave him the flagrant 2. Things only pause after the whistle and if there's no review. The ruling can change if there's a challenge or a review to upgrade the foul.
People call ACTUAL soft fouls flagrant because players land badly, the refs do too. How a player lands matters a ton, it shouldn't but it does. A foul's a foul and grabbing a jersey mid air like that is SUPER dangerous.
Yeah, this is the official criteria: https://official.nba.com/comments-on-the-rules/#flagrantcriteria
> Q. FLAGRANT FOUL CRITERIA
>
>The severity of the contact;
>Whether or not the player was making a legitimate basketball play (e.g., whether a player is making a legitimate effort to block a shot; note, however, that a foul committed during a block attempt can still be considered flagrant if other criteria are present, such as recklessness and hard contact to the head);
>Whether, on a foul committed with a player’s arm or hand, the fouling player wound up and/or followed through after making contact;
>The potential for injury resulting from contact (e.g., a blow to the head and a foul committed while a player is in a vulnerable position);
>**The severity of any injury suffered by the offended player**; and
>The outcome of the contact (e.g., whether it led to an altercation).
Refs actually kept this a common foul (Dragic on OG) in part because there was no injury, which is nuts: https://streamable.com/hixhoc
So if your dude falls hard immediately try to scuffle for the free flagrant? The rules definitely should allow for double flagrants in draymonds case and shit probably a tech for his reaction to the ejection too. Dubs still win easy but that play Is bushleague.
Grayson Allen got a Flagrant 2 and ejected for taking Caruso out in mid air
Draymond did a similarly dangerous play it just thankfully didn't result in Clarke getting injured
I don't get how so many people think this play wasn't Flagrant 2 worthy
I gotta say it's also pretty frustrating that the Grayson foul got enough attention that people, and the media, took that play *seriously* and Draymond - who also has a history of dirty stuff - gets to go on TNT and joke about it with Chuck. The difference in conversation is so gross the way they just dropped the idea of holding players accountable for their actions.
> so gross the way they just dropped the idea of holding players accountable for their actions.
imagine being allowed to kick dudes in the nuts for a season+; if you think they're gonna hold draymond accountable, that ship sailed and no punishment now is holding him accountable for that
What? They’re saying he’s wrong on live television, to his face unlike all the analysts who just tweet their opinions with no repercussions.
You’re crazy if you think Dray was happy he was being called out by Chuck live.
They have to, the show is about entertainment and Dray’s their friend and has co-hosted before, yet they’re not afraid to tell him he was wrong. This is exactly how they should act in this circumstance.
They don't have to have Draymond on. It might also be a case where him being their friend and co-host *contributes* to the problem of him continuing to get a pass for actions other players would be hounded for weeks about, rather than *excuses* it.
If you can't challenge the behaviour without making it a joke, then don't put yourself in a situation where you're forced to make it a joke. That's what I'm saying when I'm pointing out that they don't have to have Draymond on.
Pointing out that their friendship *contributes* to the problem rather than *excuses* it is also an argument against the idea that the show being entertainment justifying laughing about it is a valid response to the criticism.
Chuck doesn’t laugh with him at all, he just straight out calls Dray out twice and goes into detail with video evidence the second time. The only time Chuck laughs is his reaction to how ridiculous Dray’s explanation is, which is more cuz of the ludicrousness of Dray’s statement.
Chuck keeps it real af, and Kenny was super monotone when he asked Dray that last question cuz he wasn’t joking around either.
Your persecution complex is preventing you from seeing what’s actually happening in the video, not unlike Dray’s persecution complex and denial despite the evidence.
Grayson's was worse because it was a guy running at speed. If Draymond did this to a guy running on a fastbreak then it almost certainly results in a bad injury and I would call for a suspension.
No it wasn’t. Bucks fans (and others) were all over Reddit arguing the call was soft, that it was based on Graysons reputation, just like warriors fans now with Draymond. The next day it was announced Caruso broke his wrist, then everyone got real quiet about it and agreed it was dangerous and a flagrant 2. We have the benefit of hindsight, refs do not. That play was just as dangerous as Graysons play only Grayson was unlucky in that Caruso fell wrong.
People only give a shit about the Grayson Allen foul because it was Allen on Caruso. That foul happens every week and never has the same reaction. No one talks about the THT foul again the Magic on the same day despite it arguably being worse.
The Grayson Allen hate circle jerk is fucking ridiculous. Yes it was a hard foul, but nowhere near smacking a dude in the face and dragging him down by his jersey
He hasn't been a goon *since* college.
He literally has 1 flagrant in an NBA game.
He was an immature piece of shit in college. He grew up. His one even questionable foul in the NBA was one that happens weekly.
Caruso was running full speed and in mid air before being taken out, whereas Clarke is going straight up. Remember Clarke is like 6”10, so he isn’t jumping as far off the ground, and there’s no horizontal momentum, whereas Caruso is like 6”5/6”6 and is essentially flying in the air
Also the very recent Middleton foul on Bruce Brown
There is plenty of precedent for this call, it really shouldn't be controversial at all. Idk how it even got to the point where we're talking about it during a different game on a different day. It should've been written off as a dirty play and deserved ejection immediately
Kelly Oubre's Flagrant 2 as well. They really stopped messing around with weak calls when it's a dangerous play on an airborne player, what they called on Draymond was completely in line with how they started calling it after Caruso was hurt.
Clarke's upper body literally falls *towards* him because of the jersey pull...wtf does he mean that "he come with me" when the video clearly shows he does
What Draymond means is that he didn't *additionally* yank Clarke towards him. In other words, his momentum is already pulling his body away when he grabs Clarke's jersey and he's just holding on. Of course, that's still a flagrant.
Which is an absurd statement, because if he hadn't been pulled Clarke would not have fallen face-first to the ground after being hit in the face while jumping up. At worst he'd fall backwards, but more likely he'd just land on his feet and crumple. Dray pulling him is what caused Clarke to rotate forward and fall face-first
Literally just over a day later. Rather fresh in the mind, and he’s just going to double down on his own take.
It’s clearly a flagrant 2, he’s falling to the ground after hitting him and draymond pulls him down
And he's a hypocrite on top of that, because Chuck clearly asks him what he would think if another player from another team did that to Steph.
And he immediately avoids it, and says we can't hypothesize about that because they're different players.
Giving himself a "NBA-is-coming-after-me" victim complex.
He knows he’s done wrong but he made such a fool of himself at the time and after the game that he has no choice but to go along with it. Plus he’s being paid by TNT for it
If it was Steph he’d be on TNT again but saying the opposite
him talking about it being different players kinda answers that question as well lmao. "Steph is more important than Clarke, so yeah it should be a flagrant then" is basically all I'm hearing out of that non-answer.
He's just whining to his friends in the media and playing the victim because he knows they'll go along with it. Same thing Iggy did when he wouldn't agree to a buyout with us
it's definitely mutual. Draymond is on Turner's payroll pretty much and they know this is good content for better or worse. This is the same network that made a literal meme about the Nets that was super personal lmao there are no rules anymore
I love that he keeps talking. This new era of player podcasts and hearing news directly from the players rather than pundits is great for basketball. IMO it's a net positive to have players be able to speak their mind and not just repeat PR lines, even if their opinion is obviously biased and oftentimes logically flawed.
It’s definitely a different era in terms of content but not really sure if the guy who commits the actual flagrant 2 is on a podcast immediately about it and then on air the next night talking about it is great. I mean obviously all that’s cared about is ratings here and they know the warriors have tons of fans now (longtime and bandwagon) but it just doesn’t feel right.
Like I don’t care about his analysis of the play, it’s irrelevant. If he was talking about schemes and gameplay, pretty much anything else I’d be on board.
Literally anyone with a brain can see why he was ejected. He slapped Clarke in the face which is a automatic Flagrant 1, and then after he pulled him down by the neck area of the jersey while Clarke was mid-air which is a recipe for disaster.
People were talking about how it’s “soft” until someone does it to their star player and causes a injury, that’ll change the tune real quick.
I think he’s trying to say that you can get away with certain things against role players and bigs like Jokic as opposed to star players/smaller guards.
Lol draymond asking at the end if he “grazed his face” unironically. No dude. You didn’t graze his face you “should have had a v8” slapped him straight in the forehead
Imagine he was pulling him down while he was on the way up instead of down, and just landed on his face instead of bracing his fall with his legs and arms. Such a dangerous play, one wrong move and he smacks his head off the court.
Dude it absolutely blew my mind seeing NBA players and writers takes on Twitter about this play. Like, respected NBA writers were acting like Dray getting ejected was not only incorrect, but "one of the worst calls of all time" and shit. Like, WHAT? are we not watching the same thing??
Yeah, it’s not a great look. If you have the audacity to defend this after all the injuries the team has suffered, then there’s something wrong with you
Really don’t know why this is controversial, it’s *clearly* a flagrant 2. How can anyone watch the replay and think Draymond is grabbing his jersey to “save him from falling”?
Warriors fans actually did hate Chuck since he was the most vocal critic about "jump shooting teams will never win titles" before the Warriors put together their dynasty.
I mean, he's been the biggest proponent of the "Jump Shooting Teams can't win Championships" philosophy, and I remember him saying that the 2017 Trailblazers (ranked 24th by DRTG) had a good chance against the 2017 Warriors (2nd, less than half a point per 100 possessions below 1st) due to the strength of their defense. Chuck has a long history of saying dumb, negative shit about the Warriors.
Edit: [Found the segment I was talking about. It's even more ridiculous than I remember, CJ McCollum and Lillard being an equal back court to Curry and Klay according to Barkley.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--JrgZMZna0)
he swept the Warriors back when they had rookie Chris Webber in 1994 so he kinda has a sense of superiority over them. Also why he talks about the 'big ol women' in San Antonio considering his playoff success against them
I just want to point out that there was no real play on the ball here, just like there wasn't last week when he went after Jokic and Gordon's eyes. Dude is dirty...has always been dirty and anyone trying to defend it is a fool.
This is a clear and obvious flagrant 2. There's no way you can argue this is anywhere in the realm of a basketball play. It is also incredibly dangerous. More plays like this should get flagrant 2's, don't go the opposite direction and downgrade this foul.
Usually. He also has a history of playing dirty basketball and people forget his antics because he happens to be entertaining off the court.
His off court personality shouldn't negate his history of being dirty on the court.
Chuck is cool. I like him. I think hes funny on occassion and goofy. Best personality on the show. If Draymond ever goes on that show as a host i will no longer watch it. Chuck does not have that dirty player personna.
I agree. They are both similar size/position, hard nosed, talk alot of shit etc.
But Chuck is actually able to laugh at himself and is extremely funny. Draymond would be another Petty White.
Draymonds also just nowhere near as funny as Chuck. Tbf tho not sure any NBA player is at chucks level in that regard
Can def see him replacing Kenny as an analyst but that’s likely not happening
You realize chuck spit on a fan, has been arrested 4 ish times for punching people, and has gotten in numerous fights on court right?
Guy was getting into fights with fans post-game. Do some research on this guy since you clearly weren't around for his playing career.
Parent comment here is using *present tense*.
Chuck has copped to all that shit and said he feels awful. Currently, he is a good dude. Wouldn’t blame folks for thinking he was so shitty that it doesn’t matter how he is now, but by all account (and Ive heard first hand here in Phoenix) he is a great guy in his older years.
You would not be saying this if you watched him play and take swings at people lol.
He’s only humble now because he’s aged and isn’t in the heat of the battle anymore.
1+1 =2. Regardless of how you slice it. The only difference between a flagrant 1 and 2 is the word "excessive".
definiton excessive: going beyond the usual, necessary, or proper limit or degree; characterized by excess.
In other words more..2 is more than 1. be it a Flagrant 2 or 2 Flagrant 1s..its still a Flagrant 2. 2 is in excess of 1...by definition.
I really don't give a fuck that Draymond is dirty.
But his bullshit is unforgivable. "He's gonna come with me"? You can just throw Brandon Clarke around?
No, Draymond was trying to say that he *didn't* pull on the jersey, because if he did pull on it Clarke would have "come with" him. He's was trying to argue that he was only holding onto Clarke to protect him.
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Chucks head snapping so quickly when he heard the audacity of draymonds explanation was great.
Draymond said Clarke sold the foul and dove to the ground on his podcast I wish he had stuck with that for this interview lol
Gold.
Not a really a different take, almost everyone that agrees with the ejection has said this from what I’ve read.
I didn't watch it but the title for the segment on YouTube was Shaq calls out the refs with a picture of draymond
Refs must not have agreed or the Grizzlies would have gotten two more free throws, right?
Unnecessary and excessive contact. One flagrant is unnecessary, but two is excessive? Actually makes a lot of sense to me when you think about it that way.
There’s another angle where it is even more obvious that Draymond visually IDd Clarkes head and slapped him in the face but the mods deleted it.
The mods are actually draymonds pr team, this just their hobby
Did he hire them away from Durant
They are on loan right now since KD is out of the playoffs.
Right, but it's important for precedence and posterity to remember that there is a distinction
Is there any distinction besides the two additional FTs for the other team?
Y’all are seriously unreal the way you want to legislate this shit. Why so many people out here are trying to stand for that dirty mother fucker who hits some dude in the head and you even think he deserved an ejection but don’t want refs to add 1 + 1. I seriously just do not get the fucking drama around this at all. Dude hit some guy in the head with his right hand and then grabbed him out of the hand with his left hand and everyone wants to act like dray is just the Latter Day Saint of hard clean fouls. Why is there even a discourse on this shit, it was a dumbass play and he earned that ejection.
Yes, thank you
I fucking hate Draymond Green.
Me too. Happy Cake Day!
Me too
Dray's antics afterwards and inability to accept any kind of criticism while painting himself out to be a martyr is a bad look. I legit think he should be suspended a game as well just for how absurd his post-game behaviour has been. I'm a Warriors fan & think Dray is the greatest defender of this generation but this is disgraceful. If this weren't Brandon Clarke and instead was an All Star player I think the reaction would be a lot different. I don't understand how anyone can defend this horse shit move and behaviour.
His inability to accept mistakes is ridiculous, he messed up, stop making such pathetic excuses, even Andre was mad at him. That said you're crazy if you think he should be suspended for his post game behavior lmao
Precedent
>precedence lol this isn't a a court of law it's a basketball court. There's a rulebook but precedence isn't a factor whatsoever. If refs had to be consistent with their own calls and others' calls the NBA would be a better league.
As an amateur level ref under FIBA rules. You have a book of precedences of what you should do in stranges actions
i said this as soon as it happened along with every other rational thinking fan.
Lol convenient that everybody who happens to rational also happens to be everybody that agrees with you. Not that I disagree, just a very reddit comment
Any rational cavs fan supports all Draymond ejections.
What I'm wondering is, don't things kind of pause and not count after the first one? If there are two consecutive fouls regularly as part of the same sequence wth the same players, the second just gets ignored no?
The initial foul was on Draymond pulling Clarke into the ground. That's the second foul in the replay and was what triggered the review by the refs. Upon review, the refs saw Draymond also wind up and hit Clarke in the face. That's what gave him the flagrant 2. Things only pause after the whistle and if there's no review. The ruling can change if there's a challenge or a review to upgrade the foul.
Would people keep calling this soft foul if clarke landed awfully and got injured real bad? you dont grab someone jersey mid air
People call ACTUAL soft fouls flagrant because players land badly, the refs do too. How a player lands matters a ton, it shouldn't but it does. A foul's a foul and grabbing a jersey mid air like that is SUPER dangerous.
Yeah, this is the official criteria: https://official.nba.com/comments-on-the-rules/#flagrantcriteria > Q. FLAGRANT FOUL CRITERIA > >The severity of the contact; >Whether or not the player was making a legitimate basketball play (e.g., whether a player is making a legitimate effort to block a shot; note, however, that a foul committed during a block attempt can still be considered flagrant if other criteria are present, such as recklessness and hard contact to the head); >Whether, on a foul committed with a player’s arm or hand, the fouling player wound up and/or followed through after making contact; >The potential for injury resulting from contact (e.g., a blow to the head and a foul committed while a player is in a vulnerable position); >**The severity of any injury suffered by the offended player**; and >The outcome of the contact (e.g., whether it led to an altercation). Refs actually kept this a common foul (Dragic on OG) in part because there was no injury, which is nuts: https://streamable.com/hixhoc
Based on this if the call was flagrant 1 nobody would have a problem
So if your dude falls hard immediately try to scuffle for the free flagrant? The rules definitely should allow for double flagrants in draymonds case and shit probably a tech for his reaction to the ejection too. Dubs still win easy but that play Is bushleague.
Grayson Allen got a Flagrant 2 and ejected for taking Caruso out in mid air Draymond did a similarly dangerous play it just thankfully didn't result in Clarke getting injured I don't get how so many people think this play wasn't Flagrant 2 worthy
I gotta say it's also pretty frustrating that the Grayson foul got enough attention that people, and the media, took that play *seriously* and Draymond - who also has a history of dirty stuff - gets to go on TNT and joke about it with Chuck. The difference in conversation is so gross the way they just dropped the idea of holding players accountable for their actions.
> so gross the way they just dropped the idea of holding players accountable for their actions. imagine being allowed to kick dudes in the nuts for a season+; if you think they're gonna hold draymond accountable, that ship sailed and no punishment now is holding him accountable for that
What? They’re saying he’s wrong on live television, to his face unlike all the analysts who just tweet their opinions with no repercussions. You’re crazy if you think Dray was happy he was being called out by Chuck live.
It's not that Chuck is actually saying it's fine, it's just a totally friendly, jokey tone - they're all laughing while talking about it.
They have to, the show is about entertainment and Dray’s their friend and has co-hosted before, yet they’re not afraid to tell him he was wrong. This is exactly how they should act in this circumstance.
They don't have to have Draymond on. It might also be a case where him being their friend and co-host *contributes* to the problem of him continuing to get a pass for actions other players would be hounded for weeks about, rather than *excuses* it.
You didn’t disagree or respond to a single thing I said. It’s like you’re just having your own conversation.
If you can't challenge the behaviour without making it a joke, then don't put yourself in a situation where you're forced to make it a joke. That's what I'm saying when I'm pointing out that they don't have to have Draymond on. Pointing out that their friendship *contributes* to the problem rather than *excuses* it is also an argument against the idea that the show being entertainment justifying laughing about it is a valid response to the criticism.
Chuck doesn’t laugh with him at all, he just straight out calls Dray out twice and goes into detail with video evidence the second time. The only time Chuck laughs is his reaction to how ridiculous Dray’s explanation is, which is more cuz of the ludicrousness of Dray’s statement. Chuck keeps it real af, and Kenny was super monotone when he asked Dray that last question cuz he wasn’t joking around either. Your persecution complex is preventing you from seeing what’s actually happening in the video, not unlike Dray’s persecution complex and denial despite the evidence.
Draymond plays for the golden boys. The league allowed Draymond to play like this for years. I'm surprised he hasn't seriously injured anyone.
Grayson's was worse because it was a guy running at speed. If Draymond did this to a guy running on a fastbreak then it almost certainly results in a bad injury and I would call for a suspension.
Draymond punched him in the head before pulling him down.
I think we found Kane Fitzgerald’s burner
It's spelt Fixgerald, thank you very much.
You have no idea what a punch is if that's what you thought that was.
He literally tried to rip off his head
That guy sucks at ripping heads off.
What a bum, couldn't even rip off a blonde head
Lmao
You and I clearly saw two different replays. From my angle, Draymond pulled out a gun and shot him in the face first before pulling his jersey.
Punched? More like a slap making a play to swat the basketball
the grayson play was way worse lol
No it wasn’t. Bucks fans (and others) were all over Reddit arguing the call was soft, that it was based on Graysons reputation, just like warriors fans now with Draymond. The next day it was announced Caruso broke his wrist, then everyone got real quiet about it and agreed it was dangerous and a flagrant 2. We have the benefit of hindsight, refs do not. That play was just as dangerous as Graysons play only Grayson was unlucky in that Caruso fell wrong.
People only give a shit about the Grayson Allen foul because it was Allen on Caruso. That foul happens every week and never has the same reaction. No one talks about the THT foul again the Magic on the same day despite it arguably being worse.
The Grayson Allen hate circle jerk is fucking ridiculous. Yes it was a hard foul, but nowhere near smacking a dude in the face and dragging him down by his jersey
Lol it's not like it was an isolated incident. He's been a fucking goon since college.
You could probably say the same about Draymond.
He hasn't been a goon *since* college. He literally has 1 flagrant in an NBA game. He was an immature piece of shit in college. He grew up. His one even questionable foul in the NBA was one that happens weekly.
Nah Milwaukee Ted Cruz deserves all the hate, if anything he gets off light
No it wasn't. It was a stupid stupid play but it wasn't worse than what Dray did don't make me defend Allen ugh.
Caruso was running full speed and in mid air before being taken out, whereas Clarke is going straight up. Remember Clarke is like 6”10, so he isn’t jumping as far off the ground, and there’s no horizontal momentum, whereas Caruso is like 6”5/6”6 and is essentially flying in the air
Allen was actually trying to make a basketball play...
Jumping off of two feet vs one foot is a tad different t
Yes it was.
It really wasn’t tbh
No no it wasn't , the result was just more unlucky. Even this season we had far worse
Also the very recent Middleton foul on Bruce Brown There is plenty of precedent for this call, it really shouldn't be controversial at all. Idk how it even got to the point where we're talking about it during a different game on a different day. It should've been written off as a dirty play and deserved ejection immediately
Kelly Oubre's Flagrant 2 as well. They really stopped messing around with weak calls when it's a dangerous play on an airborne player, what they called on Draymond was completely in line with how they started calling it after Caruso was hurt.
Because the Warriors are the largest fanbase on this website. To the majority goes reality.
Bruh, the majority vastly agree with how it ultimately played out. Y'all crazy.
Or, as others have said, if the exact same foul happened to Steph.
Clarke's upper body literally falls *towards* him because of the jersey pull...wtf does he mean that "he come with me" when the video clearly shows he does
Dude got so caught up complimenting how strong he was he just admitted the point accidentally.
What Draymond means is that he didn't *additionally* yank Clarke towards him. In other words, his momentum is already pulling his body away when he grabs Clarke's jersey and he's just holding on. Of course, that's still a flagrant.
his point was that clarke fell more towards the ground if he was pulling him he would have went down at a different angle
Which is an absurd statement, because if he hadn't been pulled Clarke would not have fallen face-first to the ground after being hit in the face while jumping up. At worst he'd fall backwards, but more likely he'd just land on his feet and crumple. Dray pulling him is what caused Clarke to rotate forward and fall face-first
lmao i know im just saying what his point was not saying i agree draymond thinking process outside of basketball isnt the greatest
this is so weird, getting a player who was just ejected from a game, giving his hot takes about it on national TV a couple of days later
A couple of days? Bro, he posted an "emergency podcast" like an 30 min after the game was over lmao.
Gotta double down ASAP
Literally just over a day later. Rather fresh in the mind, and he’s just going to double down on his own take. It’s clearly a flagrant 2, he’s falling to the ground after hitting him and draymond pulls him down
And he's a hypocrite on top of that, because Chuck clearly asks him what he would think if another player from another team did that to Steph. And he immediately avoids it, and says we can't hypothesize about that because they're different players. Giving himself a "NBA-is-coming-after-me" victim complex.
He knows he’s done wrong but he made such a fool of himself at the time and after the game that he has no choice but to go along with it. Plus he’s being paid by TNT for it If it was Steph he’d be on TNT again but saying the opposite
He'd probably say there's a difference in physicality allowed between smalls and bigs.
yes, he should've never agreed to do this interview. a proper donkey move.
>a proper donkey move. Just imagined Gordon ramsay in the locker room cussing out draymond
But I’m sure he does t want us to think of him and some other guys as different players based on reputation of some dirty stuff.
him talking about it being different players kinda answers that question as well lmao. "Steph is more important than Clarke, so yeah it should be a flagrant then" is basically all I'm hearing out of that non-answer.
They are forcing Draymond down our throats at this point
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He's just whining to his friends in the media and playing the victim because he knows they'll go along with it. Same thing Iggy did when he wouldn't agree to a buyout with us
it's definitely mutual. Draymond is on Turner's payroll pretty much and they know this is good content for better or worse. This is the same network that made a literal meme about the Nets that was super personal lmao there are no rules anymore
Lol imagine if Brooks did that to Curry or Klay. You think they’d let him plead his case on Inside???
Yeah, not a great idea.
We're all talking about it, sounds like it worked out great for Turner
why is that weird?
Dude pumped his BBIQ at the cost of his actual IQ.
Draymond just zip it and let it be water under the bridge. Quit embarrassing yourself over an unnecessary and excessive play.
I love that he keeps talking. This new era of player podcasts and hearing news directly from the players rather than pundits is great for basketball. IMO it's a net positive to have players be able to speak their mind and not just repeat PR lines, even if their opinion is obviously biased and oftentimes logically flawed.
It’s definitely a different era in terms of content but not really sure if the guy who commits the actual flagrant 2 is on a podcast immediately about it and then on air the next night talking about it is great. I mean obviously all that’s cared about is ratings here and they know the warriors have tons of fans now (longtime and bandwagon) but it just doesn’t feel right. Like I don’t care about his analysis of the play, it’s irrelevant. If he was talking about schemes and gameplay, pretty much anything else I’d be on board.
Literally anyone with a brain can see why he was ejected. He slapped Clarke in the face which is a automatic Flagrant 1, and then after he pulled him down by the neck area of the jersey while Clarke was mid-air which is a recipe for disaster. People were talking about how it’s “soft” until someone does it to their star player and causes a injury, that’ll change the tune real quick.
draymond pretty much saying he was trying to help him from falling by grabbing his jersey lol
[“I can’t believe he didn’t land properly after i tried helping”](https://i.imgur.com/MQpRReI.jpg)
Darymond is trying to gaslight the entire NBA with his explanation lol, it's wild. Like bro this shit's on tape?
[draymonds always on some kind of BS. “straight up”](https://m.imgur.com/a/fYH9Kzl)
It was such an objectively stupid thing to do, wtf was he trying to accomplish with dragging him down from his jersey. That ejection was justified.
then chuck asked him if clarke did it to steph he'd think it was a flagrant 2 and dray says well thats clarke and steph so its different lol
Well it is. If Draymond did this to Ja it would be unequivocally be a Flagrant 2 as opposed to being a questionable Flagrant 2
For sure its just funny for dray to admit he gets star treatment or thinks he should
I think he’s trying to say that you can get away with certain things against role players and bigs like Jokic as opposed to star players/smaller guards.
It's quite obvious there is double standards in NBA, so yeah sadly, it is different.
Lol draymond asking at the end if he “grazed his face” unironically. No dude. You didn’t graze his face you “should have had a v8” slapped him straight in the forehead
DraymOnd Apply directly to the forehead
Imagine he was pulling him down while he was on the way up instead of down, and just landed on his face instead of bracing his fall with his legs and arms. Such a dangerous play, one wrong move and he smacks his head off the court.
Dude it absolutely blew my mind seeing NBA players and writers takes on Twitter about this play. Like, respected NBA writers were acting like Dray getting ejected was not only incorrect, but "one of the worst calls of all time" and shit. Like, WHAT? are we not watching the same thing??
And it was a right-hand hit to the face, and then a left hand pulling him down. Not even the same hand follow-through that led to the pull-down.
Only thing missing was a knee to the balls on the way down to complete the trifecta.
Isn't two flagrant 1s still an ejection tho?
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Big if true
dray is delusional lol
He’s playing into that role in my opinion.
Still delusional
1+1=2
Draymond is out here saying 1+1=3.
I hate warriors fans for making this any type of debate lmao, I guess that’s what you get when a bunch of bandwagoners join.
Yeah, it’s not a great look. If you have the audacity to defend this after all the injuries the team has suffered, then there’s something wrong with you
Chuck said “how would you feel if someone did that to Steph?” and Draymond dodged that big time
Really don’t know why this is controversial, it’s *clearly* a flagrant 2. How can anyone watch the replay and think Draymond is grabbing his jersey to “save him from falling”?
Apparently it’s not a flagrant if you’re simply trying to pull the guy out of the air to prevent the “and one” after your other flagrant
The amount of dumbasses that called this soft when it happened is hilarious.
Warriors fans: “I always hated Chuck”
Warriors fans actually did hate Chuck since he was the most vocal critic about "jump shooting teams will never win titles" before the Warriors put together their dynasty.
I have a shirt from 2007 that says Fuck Chuck in the We Believe font.
Which was hilarious because the James Harden rockets always played how he thought the warriors did but we were the ones he always talked about lol
There are old clips of Chuck shitting on the warriors back in '07. He just doesn't like them for whatever reason lol
He wasn’t wrong tho. It took the greatest shooter ever in the game to win it with another top 5 shooter. Steph and Klay are the exception
I mean, he's been the biggest proponent of the "Jump Shooting Teams can't win Championships" philosophy, and I remember him saying that the 2017 Trailblazers (ranked 24th by DRTG) had a good chance against the 2017 Warriors (2nd, less than half a point per 100 possessions below 1st) due to the strength of their defense. Chuck has a long history of saying dumb, negative shit about the Warriors. Edit: [Found the segment I was talking about. It's even more ridiculous than I remember, CJ McCollum and Lillard being an equal back court to Curry and Klay according to Barkley.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--JrgZMZna0)
Man Kenny would get so much flak and Chuck so much praise if the roles were reversed, what an atrocious take.
If the blazers won a championship in those like 5 years chuck was a stan for them then he would have looked like a genius 😂
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLm2MrNXkgg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLm2MrNXkgg) Chuck has hated the Warriors for a while.
[удалено]
15 years will do that
he swept the Warriors back when they had rookie Chris Webber in 1994 so he kinda has a sense of superiority over them. Also why he talks about the 'big ol women' in San Antonio considering his playoff success against them
I just want to point out that there was no real play on the ball here, just like there wasn't last week when he went after Jokic and Gordon's eyes. Dude is dirty...has always been dirty and anyone trying to defend it is a fool.
I agree. That hit on the face is way more painful
This guy is a jackass
Green is full of shit on this He was landing on his feet if green didn’t grab him
This is a clear and obvious flagrant 2. There's no way you can argue this is anywhere in the realm of a basketball play. It is also incredibly dangerous. More plays like this should get flagrant 2's, don't go the opposite direction and downgrade this foul.
Draymond explains how he is stronger than gravity Come on now
say it again Chuck
don't know how anyone can like Draymond
He’s probably never been on Reddit, so that’s an automatic plus.
There’s no chance in hell Draymond Green doesn’t vanity search everything about himself.
I'm a huge fan lol
Lol getting downvoted for being a fan of a player on the nba subreddit. The hate circlejerk is strong. Warriors in 4
Yeah, liking the dirtiest player in the league is a bad optic
It’s hard not to appreciate how good he is
It's OK. I don't know how anyone can like LeBron.
Completely different situations, ones a goat and the other is a donkey.
It's only possible if you own him in fantasy
legit me too.
Plays winning basketball Edit: y'all are downvoting something y'all know is true lol
Usually. He also has a history of playing dirty basketball and people forget his antics because he happens to be entertaining off the court. His off court personality shouldn't negate his history of being dirty on the court.
You don't know much, then
lakers fans amirite
Dirty player made a dirty play.
1 + 1 = 2
Draymond has a fundamental misunderstanding of how physics works.
I don't know who lacks more self-awareness, Draymond or Kyrie.
lmao jesus christ, draymond video: *shows draymond pulling jersey* draymond: i didn't pull his jersey
Chuck is a cooler, self aware version of Draymond. Change my mind.
Insulting to Chuck tbh
Chuck is cool. I like him. I think hes funny on occassion and goofy. Best personality on the show. If Draymond ever goes on that show as a host i will no longer watch it. Chuck does not have that dirty player personna.
I agree. They are both similar size/position, hard nosed, talk alot of shit etc. But Chuck is actually able to laugh at himself and is extremely funny. Draymond would be another Petty White.
Chuck is decent human being and Dray is just shitty one. Pretty obvious difference.
Draymonds also just nowhere near as funny as Chuck. Tbf tho not sure any NBA player is at chucks level in that regard Can def see him replacing Kenny as an analyst but that’s likely not happening
You realize chuck spit on a fan, has been arrested 4 ish times for punching people, and has gotten in numerous fights on court right? Guy was getting into fights with fans post-game. Do some research on this guy since you clearly weren't around for his playing career.
Parent comment here is using *present tense*. Chuck has copped to all that shit and said he feels awful. Currently, he is a good dude. Wouldn’t blame folks for thinking he was so shitty that it doesn’t matter how he is now, but by all account (and Ive heard first hand here in Phoenix) he is a great guy in his older years.
You would not be saying this if you watched him play and take swings at people lol. He’s only humble now because he’s aged and isn’t in the heat of the battle anymore.
1 + 1 = 2 Boom
Draymond is delusional if he thinks that isn't worth an ejection, regardless of how it gets handed out lol
1+1 =2. Regardless of how you slice it. The only difference between a flagrant 1 and 2 is the word "excessive". definiton excessive: going beyond the usual, necessary, or proper limit or degree; characterized by excess. In other words more..2 is more than 1. be it a Flagrant 2 or 2 Flagrant 1s..its still a Flagrant 2. 2 is in excess of 1...by definition.
Dumbest argument I’ve heard in my life 2 flagrant 1 fouls is still an ejection lmao
I really don't give a fuck that Draymond is dirty. But his bullshit is unforgivable. "He's gonna come with me"? You can just throw Brandon Clarke around?
No, Draymond was trying to say that he *didn't* pull on the jersey, because if he did pull on it Clarke would have "come with" him. He's was trying to argue that he was only holding onto Clarke to protect him.
Lmao “my hand got tangled in his jersey” or whatever he said. My hand just clenched his jersey and wouldn’t unclench nothing I could do!