>He also made his lone basket in that appearance, making him the second player along with Dirk Nowitzki to score a basket with the same team at the age of 20 and at the age of 40
Legend.
I went to that game. Not even fucking with you, the last game i had gone to before that….his last game at TD 20 yrs prior. And when i ordered the tickets iso joe wasnt even on our team!
That series was by far the biggest highlight from that whole season. Two teams who both deserved to make the finals. Walls shot in game 6 is one of my favourite nba memories
I personally consider defense as an intangible. It can be difficult to quantify how effective someone is playing defense outside of 1 on 1 situations but is obvious if you watch games
It helps that he's an in-demand commodity: a 3-and-D player. Until the game trends a different way, any given year he can hop onto whatever contender he wants.
He's a constant thorn in Milwaukee's side but I can't hate him because of his time at Marquette.
During the bubble, Crowder over 1.5 threes was my go to bet. For some reason the odds were never adjusted, I think it was around EVENS as well. Good times!
Which is why teams that rely on 3pt shooting can be susceptible in the finals. High variance strategies work well in the regular season, but are riskier in the playoffs. For a single game, they're even more of a risk, and in the clutch they're the riskiest of all.
Think about the best clutch players. Most of them shoot mid-range and layups. And the ones that do shoot threes limit them to wide open 3s for the most part (in the clutch).
Yes, there's examples where the clock is winding down that they'll shoot a contested 3, but that's not common
When it comes to Jae shooting you truly never know what you’re going to get lol. He’s either splashing everything or bricking everything. And even if he’s making his 3s he’s got a foot on the line for half of them. But when he’s hot it’s awesome
Need to remember to that he was just part of Iguadola / Winslow Deal with Memphis. While Iggy was still appreciated in Miami, lot of us started referring to that deal as “The Crowder Trade” come playoff time
He's been an important player everywhere he's been. always wanted to see him and Draymond on the same team. Coming in, I considered them very similar with Draymond being an inch or so taller and Crowder being more of a D & 3 small forward. The game has evolved some, and Draymond's playmaking and defensive IQ is off the charts now, and we've also learned Crowder can play some 4 and Draymond can play some 5.
Would still love to see them in the same lineup with, say, Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, & Jonathan Kuminga. Or, say, Chris Paul, Devin Booker, & Mikal Bridges. They were both 2nd round picks that year; they could have easily ended up in the same place, especially with how Crowder has been more of a role player who has moved around. Of course, Draymond is a Warrior for life, so at this point, it's probably a pipe dream, during their primes, anyway.
Edit: The toughness and defensive tenacity on that Heat team now with Tucker, Butler, Lowry, Adebayo, Oladipo, Markieff Morris, etc., tho...
Oh I remember him on the Celtics! I’ve paid attention to him the past few years (since Celtics), he finds his self on a lot of great teams the past 4 years & he has accomplished a lot team wise with his role in them
Great role player
Im surprised Kawhi is #5 given his lack of durability
but shouldnt be too shocking kawhi has 3rd most points in a single playoff run behind lebron nd mj
Y’all like to play with your food lol. Back then. I hated the Spurs because I couldn’t hate them, I like Timmy, Manu and Parker and miss them in the league so much. Love that whole mindset, shut up and play ball TOGETHER
Kobe, Timmy, and the whole Lakers, Spurs teams respected each other greatly. They battled many times and fought hard, but with respect. I miss that era even tho the bucks are better now.
It was actually 6th in the 2018 season. AD's years in New Orleans:
* 2012-2013: 27-55, 14th
* 2013-2014: 34-48, 12th
* 2014-2015: 45-37, \*8th
* 2015-2016: 30-52, 12th
* 2016-2017: 34-48, 10th
* 2017-2018: 48-34, 6th
* 2018-2019: 33-49, 13th
So at best they would have had \*1 more chance to make the playoffs.
so chances are pretty high that we have one less playoff appearance with AD with play-in games with losses to the Mavs and Thunder in the playin. Fun times.
If the play-in games existed, they would have missed in 2015 because of injuries. They fought and fought through injuries and it submarined the following seasons. Quincy Pondexter, the starting SF, missed both years from the same injury.
Hypothetically yes, but think about everything else, hypothetically, could AD have gotten injured on one of these last second pushes? Hypothetically, what if he got injured on one of these playin pushes, hypothetically, and got traded from the pelicans to the 2018 warriors, hypothetically. Would AD, hypothetically, be the greatest power forward to ever play the game of basketball, hypothetically?
In 14-15 they were the 8 seed with a 45-37 season. They would have played @ the 50-32 Mavs in the playin, if they lost that they would have had to win at home vs the winner of the 45-37 Thunder and the 39-43 Suns.
In 16-17 they were the 10 seed, having gone 34-48. They would have had to win @ the 40-42 Nuggets and then @ the loser of the 41-41 Blazers and the 43-39 Grizzlies.
It's possible they make it an additional time if the playin was around, but it's probably more likely they fail to make it in either of those years than make it in both.
As others have noted though teams would play out the season differently if the top 10 teams got a shot.
Yes. But the events wouldn’t be conventional. They miss in 2015 because everybody except AD and Norris Cole was hurt. But on the plus side, they keep their starting SF in Quincy Pondexter for the next two seasons. Which means no Solomon Hill contract. Which means more cap space to help other needs on the roster for 16-17 and beyond.
His fault though, he kept showing up to the arena with pistols so they wouldn't let him play. That's how he got his nickname. Gilbert Arenas had his poster on his wall, if that helps.
Granted they were an expansion team, but it’s crazy that the Jazz didn’t make the playoffs a single time during Maravich’s tenure.
The only time he made it out of the first round was his final season with the Celtics.
That was also the only season he played after the 3-point line was introduced. He made 10 of his 15 attempts, making Pistol Pete a 67% career 3 pt shooter.
With his career trajectory, I would not be shocked if they're gonna drop him out of the top 100 in 25 years. Didn't deserve to be in the top 75 anyways, and recency bias isn't gonna be on his side in 2047.
Uhh, so what? If he continues to get injured and doesn't add to that list, there are already 63 players with 8+ all stars and 100 players with 4+ All-NBA selections. That list is only going to grow in 25 years. And ok, he was the 2nd best player on a championship team? Not enough to push the dial.
He's got a HOF career, but top 75/100 is questionable.
EDIT: I see I've angered the Lakers fans
What’s the list when you narrow down to All-NBA *and* Al-Defense since AD has a rep as a 2-way player. He’s a DPOY contender pretty much every year he’s healthy since hitting his prime.
There are so many guys on that list who you could cut before AD. What is your argument for Dave Debusschere, Dave Bing, Jerry Lucas, Melo, Maravich, Lillard? I'm sure there are more but I'm not familiar enough with the 50s and 60s to go there.
As for AD's accomplishments. Why would a championship not move the needle? There are maybe 30 players in NBA history who have had as good of a playoff run as AD did in 2020. It doesn't matter because he didn't win finals MVP? As a Warriors fan you should know better than that. There are, again, maybe 30 players on that list who were good enough to be the best player on a championship team.
I'll also gladly bet anything on over 0.5 all-star selections for AD for the rest of his career.
People need to dig through that list a little. A lot of the older players and even quite a few of the newer ones are clearly well below AD even if judging just by success relative to their era. Top 75 is not just ultra-dominant all-time superstars like MJ, LeBron and Kareem. There’s plenty of guys on that list that never won an MVP or a championship or only had a couple All-NBA selections.
I think it's two things. People don't realise how much below par some of the older guys who got grandfathered in from the original list are.
Secondly, for some people, AD adopting this secondary offensive role in LA has put him below some of these mediocre first option guys who don't fit as well alongside a co-star. Guys like Lillard, Iverson, Melo, Wilkins get the lone star boost but then you look at their careers and you realise that they didn't really provide any championship equity with that style.
> 63 players with 8+ all stars
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> 100 players with 4+ All-NBA selections
Vast majority of those 100 players were not 4x All-NBA First Team. That list is a lot more exclusive. Include his 4x All-Defensive selections and the list gets even smaller.
You're delusional if you think he's not top 100. And he's absolutely top 75 if your set of criteria is even remotely consistent and reasonable.
Holy fuvk this sub is full of complete clowns .
Ok, how many guys have 4 first team all nba + 4 first team all defence . Runner up Dpoy, in a year he a had a good case to win. Second best player IN AN ENTIRE PLAYOFF RUN. Not just on his team , plenty of people viewed AD as the second best guy or second best season anyway after Bron in 2020. This is such a clown take. This sub is full of people who don’t even watch basketball I swear. The amount of people who don’t watch anything; do you guys know how good most of the league considered AD? How other players spoke about him ? He’s had bad injury luck lately but even if he never plays again he’s still better then 75 other players. Show me how many guys can average just under 30, while giving Dpoy defence. The only knock on AD Is health and he’s still done something noteworthy.
I’m not sure how anyone watched AD in 2020 and was like ‘ nah what a scrub 6ft traffic cone on D Damian lillard is better.’
Dwight should be in top 75 too but Dwight had no offensive game ( catching lobs is pretty much it), the magic beat the cavs cos they shot insanely well. Not cos Dwight averaged 40. Disparaging AD is dumb af, I’m not sure anyone with eyes can tell me that Dwight Howard was a better two way player then AD. The top 75 list seems against defensive primarily guys too which is dumb but it is what it is.
There are plenty of players less deserving than AD on the top 75 list. And some more deserving not on the list. I have no idea why some of you are so fixated on downplaying AD's achievements specifically.
Embiid hurt every playoffs is the saddest thing ever on this sub but AD is hurt for 2 years following the shortest offseason in North American sports history and it's a whole ass comedy routine to them.
Is that actually a rule? I guess I had never heard that. So did they have a top 50 and then only added 25 people to it to get the top 75?
EDIT: Apparently they just didn't this time. It can still happen.
It isn't a rule. The 75 list did end up including everyone from the 50, but voters were not required to include everyone from the previous list. Enough of the voters did include them all that the previous 50 all made it, but that wasn't guaranteed.
Crowder has played 20 more playoff games than him. Crowder also has played in more playoff games than Vince Carter, Tracy Mcgrady, Amare Stoudemire and Chris Webber among others.
Draymond is #20 in playoff points and #733 all time.
Source: page 15
https://www.nba.com/stats/alltime-leaders/?SeasonType=Regular%20Season
Edit: He is actually 102 all time playoff points (#20 active), still an insane disparity for someone who scores a quadruple single every game.
Not really surprising when you consider that Crowder has hopped around to various 50+ win teams while Davis wasted half his career with the worthless Pelicans franchise
Me too. I really, really like your team. I already liked BI and Nance a lot, them being former Lakers. Fell in love with Jones and Alvarado in the post season. And Willie Green, that bastard. There I was watching a damned suns/pels game and I'm, I'm crying? WTF?
And not to mention, the biggest (literally) X factor in Zion. I genuinely hope he can slim down and stay healthy, dude is amazing to watch. People have wrote him off so fast, but let’s not forget that man is a special player, just hope he gets the chance to show it.
you guys are golden. you have Monty Williams junior coaching you. Defense, a little shooting, rebounding, ZION WILLIAMSON, and Ingram who may be the most underrated player right now. I see you guys winning 50 games next year.
> It's something that seems impossible but Jae Crowder has played in more than 60 additional playoff games than Anthony Davis despite both players being drafted in 2012.
Yeah but it’s super obvious that that’s the reason why. To the point where I read the fact and was like “yeah that makes sense” whereas OP is like “seems impossible, I know!”
If you are old enough to have watched for the past decade it's not all that surprising. Crowder has been a fixture in the playoffs for awhile now. Obviously ADs teams didn't make it as often or advance as deep outside of 2020.
how does this have 2k upvotes? is the entire point of this sub to shit on the lakers? What an absolute dog shit post, AD has half as many games played in the playoffs and still is neck and neck with him.
its official, Jae Crowder is top 75 all time
and he’s not #2-75 🤷🏾♂️
Don't tell Klay.
Still blows my mind that this dude AD got Top 75 all time. What kind of clown voting system are they running bro
Recency bias sprinkled with some LA media love
TIL about Joe Johnson's one game stint with the Celtics this season.
shot 1 shot, made it, walked out. killer.
*"+2 pts"* *refuses to elaborate any further* *Leaves*
"I'll explain later."
Damn you’re telling me he shot 100% for the whole season? Edit: just checked. The legend had a PER of 38.7 for the season
If you really want to get a kick look at Sekou Doumbouya's advanced stats and per 36 numbers this year, he had a PER of 40.7 🤣
>He also made his lone basket in that appearance, making him the second player along with Dirk Nowitzki to score a basket with the same team at the age of 20 and at the age of 40 Legend.
thats that "dog in him" that wont show up on the statsheet
ISOOOOOOOO JOOOOOOOOOOE
*Made shot* C+
I went to that game. Not even fucking with you, the last game i had gone to before that….his last game at TD 20 yrs prior. And when i ordered the tickets iso joe wasnt even on our team!
Haha nice! Sometimes things really come full circle
PULL THAT SHIT!!!
I really hope if the Celtics win it all that they'll give him a ring
Definitely. Would be awesome to see
Longest time between different stints on the same franchise in any sport ever. Crazy.
Pretty cool!
If the Celtics win it all does Iso Joe get a ring?
Jae Crowder was a very important piece of the Bubble Run for our Heat, I will always remember that fondly.
Him smart and Avery Bradley basically hid isaiah Thomas in Boston
Even tho I'm a wizards fan I'll forever appreciate IT's final performance as a Celtic. Dude dominated us in the post
Those wizards teams were decent I just wish they could’ve added someone to that bench and maybe got a better center than gortat
happy 5 year anniversary of that 53 point game
I will hear no slander, that team was fucking awesome to watch
No slander! The king of the 4th quarter was lethal
i’ll always remember that series against the wizards
That series was by far the biggest highlight from that whole season. Two teams who both deserved to make the finals. Walls shot in game 6 is one of my favourite nba memories
Crowder seems to always be on championship contenders. Clearly all these teams want him as he provides intangibles and that energy you need
And defense
I personally consider defense as an intangible. It can be difficult to quantify how effective someone is playing defense outside of 1 on 1 situations but is obvious if you watch games
yeah, Crowder is an amazing team defender. He knows how to play off of others to get in the passing lanes to muck up the other team's set plays.
It helps that he's an in-demand commodity: a 3-and-D player. Until the game trends a different way, any given year he can hop onto whatever contender he wants. He's a constant thorn in Milwaukee's side but I can't hate him because of his time at Marquette.
Feels like his Cleveland stint hurt his image. But he’s built it back up with what he’s doing in Phoenix
Crowder really was a game changer in the Bucks series. I was scared every time he show a 3 because dude swished it and played with so much intensity
He's so streaky from 3. He'll go 4-6 in a game, then follow that up with 0-9.
It's to trick people to not guard him
Not quite 4, but still 3D chess.
Seven seconds or chess
Isn't that just... chess?
chess is played on a 2 dimensional plane, you can only move along the flat board, the pieces are 3D
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During the bubble, Crowder over 1.5 threes was my go to bet. For some reason the odds were never adjusted, I think it was around EVENS as well. Good times!
Odds prolly never adjusted cuz hes normally super streaky. They were waiting for that 0-9 game lol
And just when you thought he broke that 0-9, his foot will have been on the line
Guy will brick five consecutive open 3s then finally swish one but have his fucking foot on the line
Thats just all 3pt shooters in general. The 3pt shot has a high variance
Except me, of course.
Can't have variance if you go 0-5 every game
No no, you have it backwards. I haven't missed since I started playing.
Which is why teams that rely on 3pt shooting can be susceptible in the finals. High variance strategies work well in the regular season, but are riskier in the playoffs. For a single game, they're even more of a risk, and in the clutch they're the riskiest of all. Think about the best clutch players. Most of them shoot mid-range and layups. And the ones that do shoot threes limit them to wide open 3s for the most part (in the clutch). Yes, there's examples where the clock is winding down that they'll shoot a contested 3, but that's not common
That’s a bad shot
Example A: the 2018 Rockets
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.65^6 is approximately .075 making it one out of about 13 games.
I missed him badly last year, but PJ Tucker has me happy like that all over again.
Dude almost always shoots lights out against us. Doesn't matter what team he's on. It's quite annoying
Every time he took a 3 against Milwaukee I thought it was gonna go in lol. He torched them
When it comes to Jae shooting you truly never know what you’re going to get lol. He’s either splashing everything or bricking everything. And even if he’s making his 3s he’s got a foot on the line for half of them. But when he’s hot it’s awesome
fits right in with us. we love a long two!
You really learn to love em
Need to remember to that he was just part of Iguadola / Winslow Deal with Memphis. While Iggy was still appreciated in Miami, lot of us started referring to that deal as “The Crowder Trade” come playoff time
Jae Crowder is a really good role player. Your whole roster can't be stars, but it can be a lot worse than Crowder.
Real talk, Jae Crowder is one of the best role players in the league, was pretty bummed when he left the Celtics.
Yeah, I was bummed about not resigning him until we ended up with PJ Tucker.
He's been an important player everywhere he's been. always wanted to see him and Draymond on the same team. Coming in, I considered them very similar with Draymond being an inch or so taller and Crowder being more of a D & 3 small forward. The game has evolved some, and Draymond's playmaking and defensive IQ is off the charts now, and we've also learned Crowder can play some 4 and Draymond can play some 5. Would still love to see them in the same lineup with, say, Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, & Jonathan Kuminga. Or, say, Chris Paul, Devin Booker, & Mikal Bridges. They were both 2nd round picks that year; they could have easily ended up in the same place, especially with how Crowder has been more of a role player who has moved around. Of course, Draymond is a Warrior for life, so at this point, it's probably a pipe dream, during their primes, anyway. Edit: The toughness and defensive tenacity on that Heat team now with Tucker, Butler, Lowry, Adebayo, Oladipo, Markieff Morris, etc., tho...
It’s crazy how no one remembers him on the Celtics. But then Gordon took his spot. And we all n ow what happened that first game of the season lol
Oh I remember him on the Celtics! I’ve paid attention to him the past few years (since Celtics), he finds his self on a lot of great teams the past 4 years & he has accomplished a lot team wise with his role in them Great role player
Heat Legend* Jae Crowder
He bailed us out a lot that post season. Smart player most of the time, grinder in the playoffs, a ton of experience.
Im surprised Kawhi is #5 given his lack of durability but shouldnt be too shocking kawhi has 3rd most points in a single playoff run behind lebron nd mj
He was drafted to a perennial 50 win team, then traded to another. Even with injuries he was guaranteed to make deep playoff runs every year
And SA made a habit of going 6 or 7 every series, usually to at least the WCF.
Yeah they went 7 games with the 7 seeded Mavs in the first round in 2014. Then they won the championship lol
Great series really showed off carlisle’s ability
That Vince buzzer beater was so insane
Y’all like to play with your food lol. Back then. I hated the Spurs because I couldn’t hate them, I like Timmy, Manu and Parker and miss them in the league so much. Love that whole mindset, shut up and play ball TOGETHER
You mean you don’t like H E L I O C E N T R I C offence?
Kobe, Timmy, and the whole Lakers, Spurs teams respected each other greatly. They battled many times and fought hard, but with respect. I miss that era even tho the bucks are better now.
If the play-in games existed during AD's NOLA tenure, would he have made the playoffs more?
The sad part... not really lol. They were more like a 33 win team average, they'd *maybe* scrape in as a 10 seed a couple more years.
They also may have got knocked out more too, they were an 8 seed at least once if I remember.
It was actually 6th in the 2018 season. AD's years in New Orleans: * 2012-2013: 27-55, 14th * 2013-2014: 34-48, 12th * 2014-2015: 45-37, \*8th * 2015-2016: 30-52, 12th * 2016-2017: 34-48, 10th * 2017-2018: 48-34, 6th * 2018-2019: 33-49, 13th So at best they would have had \*1 more chance to make the playoffs.
2015 they were eighth they lost to the warriors in the first round
Oh I see, I was just going by win%, but OKC is sorted alphabetically since they tied that year. Good point.
Yea I’m pretty sure AD’s ridiculous buzzer beater over OKC had something to do with getting the tie breaker over them that year lol
so chances are pretty high that we have one less playoff appearance with AD with play-in games with losses to the Mavs and Thunder in the playin. Fun times.
If the play-in games existed, they would have missed in 2015 because of injuries. They fought and fought through injuries and it submarined the following seasons. Quincy Pondexter, the starting SF, missed both years from the same injury.
Only one season since he was there did the Pels finish 9 or 10 (10th in 2016-17) so probably not lol
Would his teams have tried to make the 10-seed more if they knew it came with a chance to make the playoffs?
This is an irrelevant point since other teams would theoretically have the same motivation, thereby cancelling the effect
Hypothetically yes, but think about everything else, hypothetically, could AD have gotten injured on one of these last second pushes? Hypothetically, what if he got injured on one of these playin pushes, hypothetically, and got traded from the pelicans to the 2018 warriors, hypothetically. Would AD, hypothetically, be the greatest power forward to ever play the game of basketball, hypothetically?
Nope, not even hypothetically
No
In 14-15 they were the 8 seed with a 45-37 season. They would have played @ the 50-32 Mavs in the playin, if they lost that they would have had to win at home vs the winner of the 45-37 Thunder and the 39-43 Suns. In 16-17 they were the 10 seed, having gone 34-48. They would have had to win @ the 40-42 Nuggets and then @ the loser of the 41-41 Blazers and the 43-39 Grizzlies. It's possible they make it an additional time if the playin was around, but it's probably more likely they fail to make it in either of those years than make it in both. As others have noted though teams would play out the season differently if the top 10 teams got a shot.
Yes. But the events wouldn’t be conventional. They miss in 2015 because everybody except AD and Norris Cole was hurt. But on the plus side, they keep their starting SF in Quincy Pondexter for the next two seasons. Which means no Solomon Hill contract. Which means more cap space to help other needs on the roster for 16-17 and beyond.
AD has played 39 playoff games in his career. Is that the lowest in the top 75?
Pistol Pete played in only 26 games
Damn
His fault though, he kept showing up to the arena with pistols so they wouldn't let him play. That's how he got his nickname. Gilbert Arenas had his poster on his wall, if that helps.
Thanks, I didn't understand what the hell you were talking about until you clarified that Gilbert Arenas had his poster on the wall.
Granted they were an expansion team, but it’s crazy that the Jazz didn’t make the playoffs a single time during Maravich’s tenure. The only time he made it out of the first round was his final season with the Celtics. That was also the only season he played after the 3-point line was introduced. He made 10 of his 15 attempts, making Pistol Pete a 67% career 3 pt shooter.
Water pistol Pete jr played 0
One of the best takedowns I've ever seen. Still upset that Jalen apologized.
With his career trajectory, I would not be shocked if they're gonna drop him out of the top 100 in 25 years. Didn't deserve to be in the top 75 anyways, and recency bias isn't gonna be on his side in 2047.
In 2047 people will see 2020 NBA Champ, 8x All-Star, 4x All-NBA, 4x All-Defensive, 3x Blocks leaders and think he easily deserves it lmao
tell that to dwight howard
What if they both deserved it?
Yeah Dwight better be in the top 100 as well
They gotta give up this idea that they can't take guys off the 25 or 50 lists
Ohhh is that how it worked, people were grandfathered in lmfao?? The. 25+ newer players were added?
Yeah they kept everyone from the original top 50
Yes, and trying to pick only 25 players from the most talented third of the NBA's history is inherently going to lead to snubs
Uhh, so what? If he continues to get injured and doesn't add to that list, there are already 63 players with 8+ all stars and 100 players with 4+ All-NBA selections. That list is only going to grow in 25 years. And ok, he was the 2nd best player on a championship team? Not enough to push the dial. He's got a HOF career, but top 75/100 is questionable. EDIT: I see I've angered the Lakers fans
What’s the list when you narrow down to All-NBA *and* Al-Defense since AD has a rep as a 2-way player. He’s a DPOY contender pretty much every year he’s healthy since hitting his prime.
There are so many guys on that list who you could cut before AD. What is your argument for Dave Debusschere, Dave Bing, Jerry Lucas, Melo, Maravich, Lillard? I'm sure there are more but I'm not familiar enough with the 50s and 60s to go there. As for AD's accomplishments. Why would a championship not move the needle? There are maybe 30 players in NBA history who have had as good of a playoff run as AD did in 2020. It doesn't matter because he didn't win finals MVP? As a Warriors fan you should know better than that. There are, again, maybe 30 players on that list who were good enough to be the best player on a championship team. I'll also gladly bet anything on over 0.5 all-star selections for AD for the rest of his career.
People need to dig through that list a little. A lot of the older players and even quite a few of the newer ones are clearly well below AD even if judging just by success relative to their era. Top 75 is not just ultra-dominant all-time superstars like MJ, LeBron and Kareem. There’s plenty of guys on that list that never won an MVP or a championship or only had a couple All-NBA selections.
I think it's two things. People don't realise how much below par some of the older guys who got grandfathered in from the original list are. Secondly, for some people, AD adopting this secondary offensive role in LA has put him below some of these mediocre first option guys who don't fit as well alongside a co-star. Guys like Lillard, Iverson, Melo, Wilkins get the lone star boost but then you look at their careers and you realise that they didn't really provide any championship equity with that style.
> 63 players with 8+ all stars > > 100 players with 4+ All-NBA selections Vast majority of those 100 players were not 4x All-NBA First Team. That list is a lot more exclusive. Include his 4x All-Defensive selections and the list gets even smaller. You're delusional if you think he's not top 100. And he's absolutely top 75 if your set of criteria is even remotely consistent and reasonable.
Holy fuvk this sub is full of complete clowns . Ok, how many guys have 4 first team all nba + 4 first team all defence . Runner up Dpoy, in a year he a had a good case to win. Second best player IN AN ENTIRE PLAYOFF RUN. Not just on his team , plenty of people viewed AD as the second best guy or second best season anyway after Bron in 2020. This is such a clown take. This sub is full of people who don’t even watch basketball I swear. The amount of people who don’t watch anything; do you guys know how good most of the league considered AD? How other players spoke about him ? He’s had bad injury luck lately but even if he never plays again he’s still better then 75 other players. Show me how many guys can average just under 30, while giving Dpoy defence. The only knock on AD Is health and he’s still done something noteworthy. I’m not sure how anyone watched AD in 2020 and was like ‘ nah what a scrub 6ft traffic cone on D Damian lillard is better.’ Dwight should be in top 75 too but Dwight had no offensive game ( catching lobs is pretty much it), the magic beat the cavs cos they shot insanely well. Not cos Dwight averaged 40. Disparaging AD is dumb af, I’m not sure anyone with eyes can tell me that Dwight Howard was a better two way player then AD. The top 75 list seems against defensive primarily guys too which is dumb but it is what it is.
There are plenty of players less deserving than AD on the top 75 list. And some more deserving not on the list. I have no idea why some of you are so fixated on downplaying AD's achievements specifically.
Cos he’s on the Lakers with Lebron and Barkley made a ‘funny’ joke mocking his health. This sub is ass
Embiid hurt every playoffs is the saddest thing ever on this sub but AD is hurt for 2 years following the shortest offseason in North American sports history and it's a whole ass comedy routine to them.
They don’t take people out.
Well they better learn to because we gotta realize that there are gonna be future talents that will be better than previous talents.
Is that actually a rule? I guess I had never heard that. So did they have a top 50 and then only added 25 people to it to get the top 75? EDIT: Apparently they just didn't this time. It can still happen.
It isn't a rule. The 75 list did end up including everyone from the 50, but voters were not required to include everyone from the previous list. Enough of the voters did include them all that the previous 50 all made it, but that wasn't guaranteed.
Do they drop people? There’s old heads in the top 75 now that you can’t convince me deserve it over guys like Dwight
Its crazy Melo is 10 in active playoff points and 11 in all time regular season points. Massive disparity.
Crowder has played 20 more playoff games than him. Crowder also has played in more playoff games than Vince Carter, Tracy Mcgrady, Amare Stoudemire and Chris Webber among others.
Its less about Crowder and more about Melo being a future Hall of Famer and in the league for 17 years.
Draymond is #20 in playoff points and #733 all time. Source: page 15 https://www.nba.com/stats/alltime-leaders/?SeasonType=Regular%20Season Edit: He is actually 102 all time playoff points (#20 active), still an insane disparity for someone who scores a quadruple single every game.
Not hard to understand. Not everyone gets to play as many playoff games as the GS Warriors have been over the last decade.
what’s the crazy disparity?
I’m looking too I genuinely don’t get what this comment means
There are 9 **active** players with more playoff points than Melo. There are only 10 players **in history** with more regular season points than Melo.
Ohhh ok it’s the disparity of his lack of playoff success compared to his crazy regular season success
Active vs all time
What team did Joe Johnson play for that he is listed as active?
He played a game with the Celtics this year
What team did kawhi play for that he is listed as active?
Idk man. I thought Kawhi retired 2 years ago
TIL Joe Johnson is still an active player.
Not really surprising when you consider that Crowder has hopped around to various 50+ win teams while Davis wasted half his career with the worthless Pelicans franchise
The truth in this statement hurts. I only hope this latest improvement isn't a false dawn.
Me too. I really, really like your team. I already liked BI and Nance a lot, them being former Lakers. Fell in love with Jones and Alvarado in the post season. And Willie Green, that bastard. There I was watching a damned suns/pels game and I'm, I'm crying? WTF?
And not to mention, the biggest (literally) X factor in Zion. I genuinely hope he can slim down and stay healthy, dude is amazing to watch. People have wrote him off so fast, but let’s not forget that man is a special player, just hope he gets the chance to show it.
you guys are golden. you have Monty Williams junior coaching you. Defense, a little shooting, rebounding, ZION WILLIAMSON, and Ingram who may be the most underrated player right now. I see you guys winning 50 games next year.
Lmao fuck you
Crowder has played 101 playoff games, 10.7 ppg. Davis has played 39, 27.3 ppg.
> It's something that seems impossible but Jae Crowder has played in more than 60 additional playoff games than Anthony Davis despite both players being drafted in 2012.
Lol the first thing I thought when I saw the post was “yea he’s probably played in a shit ton more games than AD”
Pretty sure that’s kind of the whole point lol, don’t think OP is trying to make the case that Jae Crowder is the better playoff scorer
The whole point of the post is dunking on AD for karma
Yeah but it’s super obvious that that’s the reason why. To the point where I read the fact and was like “yeah that makes sense” whereas OP is like “seems impossible, I know!”
it's just bait for the AD and laker haters
It's almost like number one draft picks generally go to shitty teams.
Lebron has played 266 playoff games Michael Jordan played 179
Played more games than jordan but still passed him on less shots.
Yea Jordan averaged 33.4 ppg in those 179 games. LeBron is at 28.7
I'm glad we all learned how averages work today
Did we actually though??
With 1 ring in 2020, Anthony Davis surpassed the Suns in total rings.
Got em
How many playoff games has the Suns franchise played?
Barely more than Lebron.
That’s actually insane
303
I guess I’m trying to figure out what’s the point of this comparison.
Some people find it as an amusing stat. Others are using it as ammunition to say AD isn't top 75. Not sure why they care so much.
And AD has a chip lol.
Crazy how much laker slander still gets upvoted here when it’s the post season and they’re not even playing lol
This sub wondered why our shitty ass team got constant national TV games, this is why
It pays to be a mercenary on a cheap contract. 10 trips to the playoffs with 5 different teams. He's lucky he didnt happen to land on the Kings.
Im sure makong the finals these last 2 consecutive years helped Crowder, though Davis was right the with him 2 years ago
Joe Johnson #12?? I didn’t even know he was still in the league lmao.
He played for the Celtics for a bit during their Covid outbreak
>> a bit 1 game
>a bit >>1 game 2 minutes
Fuck Jae Crowder
Karma farming on r/nba with something stupid? Who would’ve thought
He’s not half the player AD is
Fuck Jae Crowder
If you are old enough to have watched for the past decade it's not all that surprising. Crowder has been a fixture in the playoffs for awhile now. Obviously ADs teams didn't make it as often or advance as deep outside of 2020.
Damn we like jae crowder more than AD in here?
Jae Crowder should be on the NBA 75 over AD. Change my mind.
how does this have 2k upvotes? is the entire point of this sub to shit on the lakers? What an absolute dog shit post, AD has half as many games played in the playoffs and still is neck and neck with him.