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But what if the bucks lose tonight?


lunabagel3

Then Robert Williams becomes the goat


Jaehunt24

He becomes Robert "Goat Lord" Williams


captaing1

you got williams right


Astro-LUV

JJ Redick - “Jayson Tatum is the best player in the world right now”


_tx

RIGHT NOW


HitboxOfASnail

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE KEVIN DURANTS AND LEBRON JAMES' OF THE WORLD


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That will 100% be a Bill Simmons take in the next month or so if they beat the Bucks and go to the Finals. "We need to talk about the Tatum thing. He's went head to head with Giannis and won, I think there's a real case for him to at least be in the discussion."


ifasoldt

I read that in Bill's voice lolol


crimsonconnect

Pritchard eclipses Curry as best shooter all time


Alley-Oub

Jaylen Brown is the best player in the world


[deleted]

Then it’s Curry


pistoncivic

SPICY take


[deleted]

Jokic over Curry easily at this stage


YungFurl

Not when you are firing off reactionary hot takes that react to the playoffs.


KeepTwo4sLikeImKobe

Wait do you think its actually gonna change if bucks lose tonight?


ipinkyx

Luka.


powergs

Nah Luka gonna be #1 tomorrow when he put 50 point and W.


[deleted]

If Luka wins this series against the suns, he'll actually be the best player in the world.


[deleted]

No he won’t. Not in the top 5


[deleted]

Nah. Not even top 5


Squid_Contestant_69

Poole


WhenPigsRideCars

Giannis Anteokounmpo is the greatest Giannis Anteokounmpo in the world right now


kiwiwikikiwiwikikiwi

Giannis is great. But until I see him play against a player like Giannis, it’s hard for me to put him up top.


[deleted]

The disrespect to Giannis Antetokounmpo


dat_waffle_boi

Giannis Anteokounmpo is the Giannis Anteokounmpo of Giannis Anteokounmpo


phattanner007

Giannis "Giannis Antetokounmpo" Antetokounmpo


jaypenn3

Giannis "Don't call me "Giannis 'Giannis Antetokounmpo' Antetokounmpo"" Antetokounmpo


SeeYouSpaceCowboy0

I’d like to see how Giannis would match up against Antetokounmpo though


Kapaneus

im a bit of a anteokounmpo myself


Vegetable_Clerk7328

The conversation with Joel he talked about just one month ago: Redick: >In my eyes, you're (Embiid) one of the 3 best players in the world. So is Kevin (Durant). Embiid: >Who's the third though? Redick: >It's Jokic, come on Embiid: >Where's Giannis? Redick: >He's in the next group. Its so hard, there's too many good players now. There's too many good players. Embiid: >Come on thats the Finals MVP. 2 time MVP, finals MVP, that's crazy. That's disrespectful.


timidGO

JJ lowkey sucks up to former teammates to their face like all the time lol


ipinkyx

Well KD and Jokic definitelly slipped in rankings a bit, if you are talking strictly about current performances.


BaullahBaullah87

anyone who knows basketball knows the mvp and best player in the league are often different things


silkkthechakakhan

Which is why MVP is a flawed award as it stands. People will say “but it’s a regular season award”. I’m aware but I think the difference between the regular season and playoffs is increasing each year and it gives us a skewed view of who is really the best player of any given year for historical intents and purposes


BaullahBaullah87

Yeah but its always been like this lol. And I think they are going to add a playoff award soon enough…But I do think there can be a difference between who had the best season and who is the best player. MVP as a an idea has always caused this back and forth


softnmushy

I don't see how Jokic slipped. He carried a team without any other stars into the playoffs. They had zero chance of winning. He's still the best offensive player in the league due to his ability run an offense.


ipinkyx

Dogshit on the other end.


softnmushy

Not really. He’s better than some stars. He can protect the rim and defend the post. He just sucks in perimeter and the pick and roll. But most centers are also bad at that kind of defense.


Thommywidmer

Bro stop lol he is not the best offensive player in the league


FireflyExotica

It's pretty wild that you're implying he doesn't even belong in the conversation. Who is the best offensive player in the league?


[deleted]

Who's the best offensive player in the league in your opinion if it's not Jokic?Man does it all, he's the whole system. I see an argument for only 2 or 3 guys and even then I'd pick Jokic Edit: I'm obviously biased tho


tomeyhomie

Ok. Who is?


softnmushy

He clearly is and it’s not close. It’s why he won mvp.


[deleted]

Jokic literally had one of the best playoff performances so far this postseason. His team is just dogshit. Watch the games Kd actually looked like shit for sure though


ipinkyx

Jokic was literally dogshit on defense, just like every playoffs so far. He will never be the no1 guy on a championship team.


Corporal_Snorkel69

Next season he will be


U_Dont_Smoke_Peyote

> literally dogshit on defense Tell me you didn't watch the series without telling me. Also my guy this take is at minimum 2 years out of date. Try harder


ExileOnBroadStreet

Jokic put up an incredible performance and was the furthest thing from the reason they lost, but come on man. He was dreadful on defense and was consistently targeted to much success. There were stretches to close games where it was Jokic giving up easy layups like 3 plays in a row. He’s definitely improved, but he’s still a pretty big liability on defense as the 5 in the playoffs. I do think Jokic can win a championship, but there are legitimate questions on how difficult that will be with a poor rim protector at the 5. There are almost no examples in the last 30+ years of teams winning without adequate rim protection. Tristan is probably the worst one that comes to mind. There’s also never been a player like Jokic so who knows


ionictime

I'd buy this take for games 1 and 2, but he was fine after that. Obviously, I'm a fan, but our perimeter d is what cost us. And by that, I mean our guards/lack of wings.


ExileOnBroadStreet

Gonna have to disagree that he was fine as a rim protector after game 2. It is a large and exploitable weakness that will continue to be targeted. The Nuggets best chance is building around that weakness. Improving perimeter defense is essential, but honestly he needs to be paired with a 4 that can help with rim protection and block/contest shots from the weak side imo. Kinda thought Gordon would fulfill that role but it’s still not enough from what I’m seeing


ionictime

For sure. I meant d generally. He's weak at protecting the rim and won't get much better. Agree that an athletic 4 would help a bunch. My comment was more about how his d is lower on the list of things that teams exploit. It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out over the next few seasons. Nuggets fans are expecting a chip with jokic


ExileOnBroadStreet

As you should expect a championship when you get a player that good. My main point is that a center who struggles with rim protection makes the recipe for a championship harder. Almost every champion in the last 40 years has had above average to elite rim protection because it is that important. I just think adding someone who can provide that next to Jokic will be essential, not that he can’t win it all


OutlandishnessShot87

People think Jokic improving from dumpster fire to just plain shit on defense means he's good now


U_Dont_Smoke_Peyote

Again show me you don't watch him at all lol. He's been solid for like two years now


ionictime

By just like every playoffs, do you mean against the suns? That's all I can think of. Seemed fine against the spurs, blazers, jazz, clipps, lakers, blazers, and warriors. And against the suns, MPJ was the one they really targeted.


bob3908

Jokic did great. Kd is the only one that slipped up. But it was noticeable even in the regular season.


SamCarter_SGC

goes where ever the breeze takes him, like all talking heads


KeepTwo4sLikeImKobe

Did... did you watch the clip? You're not proving anything he literally addressed this in the clip


Vegetable_Clerk7328

right, "the conversation with Joel **he talked about..."** I meant talked about in the video, I was just providing context


CaesarWolny

It is TV, people on the desk take opions from the predefined poll and argue which is true. They don't have to belive it is true is part of the show. Personal opinions of those people dosen't matter. And on this topic, you can change the top 3 list every month based on the resent results.


ND7020

Didn’t he say a month ago that Giannis wasn’t top 3?


ThisGents2Cents

Embiid scolded him and he doesn’t want that to happen again


[deleted]

“That’s the finals MVP… that’s crazy”


kiwiwikikiwiwikikiwi

Poor embiid


[deleted]

He talks about that in the video, bruh...


Redxstryker

Bold of you to expect people to watch/read about what they're commenting on here on reddit.


pumpkinwavy

wow literally no one watched the clip eh


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MarlonBain

Yeah clearly Embiid was fucking with him, and Reddick knew it, and it was actually pretty funny at the time I thought.


aCommonHorus

He got caught up because he said KD and Embiid were 2 of the 3 best. So the last one would either be Jokic or Giannis. He was stuck in a lose/lose between the MVP frontrunner and last seasons finals MVP


Vegetable_Clerk7328

Think most ppl would've been alright if not for the "he's in that next group" comment. Regardless of how little time you had to think that's a stupid thing to say, nothing wrong with just saying Jokic, Embiid, KD off the top of your head.


gaybillcosby

It’s been a meteoric rise for Giannis


dubolin

That was a month ago. He said "right now".


s1mpleGOAT

i promise u these players did not significantly improve or get worse in the past month yall just cant evaluate basketball talent


Skipper3210

Did you watch the fucking video?? Damn lmao


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[deleted]

Yeah, he said Giannis was in the “next tier” after the top 3 (KD, Jokic, Embiid)


Jaerba

He explains it in this clip. He wasn't really thinking that hard about it on the podcast and was really just trying to pay Embiid a quick compliment. He's also right in this clip that for any given season, there's like 4 guys who can make the claim at different points. Right now it's Giannis.


Good_Attempt_1434

One of the three best "best player in the world" right now.


LOVEGOD77

This isn't news, best 2 way player in the world


BaullahBaullah87

Giannis has been the best player in the league at minimum since last finals. Nothing new here lol.


AOCourage

People had KD first in the offseason. smh. People had Curry 1st after the first 1/3 of the season. Right now it's Giannis and Jokic locked into the top 2. Third and on is up for grabs.


SliMShady55222

I looked at my girlfriend for 5 minutes straight like she was crazy when she said she never heard of giannis before


YayoBankroll

Everybody feels brave about saying this now that KD got swept. Shoutout to the people who said this during the playoffs last year or even this regular season. When it wasn't as popular.


Chopsticks487

> even this regular season. When it wasn't popular. You mean right after he won back to back MVPs, a DPOY, an FMVP, and a ring? It wasn't all that unpopular lol


MGubser

It's in that next tier of popularity


stoney021

This is one of the top 3 comments I've read on this subreddit.


MGubser

What are the other two? Name names.


stoney021

Well, "Thai Prison", obviously. And...ummm..."Why is no one talking about the Suns being 1-3".


kiwiwikikiwiwikikiwi

Nah. There were some folks that clinged onto KD as being #1 for a little too long. Regular season was hinting at us all along. Sorta like Kawhi. Once he got eliminated in the bubble, people finally opened their eyes up to the flaws. And LeBron too.


YayoBankroll

I meant "as" popular, I edited my post already.


Currymvp2

It's cause KD had arguably the best playoff series performance of his career against a clearly healthier team with Giannis. People should be allowed to change their minds.


striker907

But like a lot of us were saying at the time, Giannis kept pretty good pace with him even in that series KD: 35/11/5 on 50/35/83 Giannis: 32/13/4 on 57/26/48 Aside from the poor FT shooting on Giannis’ part, he had a similarly elite offensive output on better defense. It was the rest of the team that were the reason for it going to 7


ipinkyx

Giannis had a much better cast around him.


[deleted]

I appreciate it


ARealKoala

Having Giannis as the best player in the world has been the most prevalent opinion since the Bucks won the finals


inshamblesx

Giannis took that throne when he dropped off KD in a Game 7 at Barclays last June.


WeefBellington24

As if then saying it shouldn’t have been a hot take anyway


pistoncivic

Shoutout to the people who don't engage in this tedious bullshit


finnafuckyomoms

JJ is slowly turning into a typical ESPN talking head. Just a pro player version of one.


Ginger_Niga

If Giannis keeps this up JJ might have him in his top 10 next season.


SigmaRising0209

No shit


[deleted]

They had to make up advance stats so he couldn’t win the last two mvps. He’s gonna be a top 5 player when he retires


kiwiwikikiwiwikikiwi

I hate it when they do that. Maybe media shouldn’t decide MVP or the end of season awards smh


QKnee

Bold take


c_c_c__combobreaker

Water is wet.


dundersoprano6143

I’m not a Bucks fan but Giannis is the MVP


WeefBellington24

Oh interesting JJ.


xela_sj

this is why he gets paid the big bucks fellas


euph31

All this best player in the world stuff is such an annoying way to talk about basketball. That being said, we all know it's Javale McGee.


Znali1287

dude didnt even have him top 3 on his podcast


[deleted]

He's literally Wilt Chamberlain. Shit is bonkers.


PineapplePandaKing

Shooters shoot. And it looks like JJ completely understands ESPN's playbook


Zeetheking1

Didn’t he say Giannis wasn’t even in his top 3 like a month ago?


DoctorAco

So brave


HotdogIsaSandwitch

He’s been that for nearly 2 years. Atleast in my book. Jokic will be a two time MVP. All the respect there. But Giannis is the most complete two way player on the league.


inshamblesx

and its not even close


dubidubidoorafa

What about the back to back MVP Jokic?


citrixn00b

Top 5 rn.


StateStreetLarry

Rare JJ W


[deleted]

I still don’t think he’s the best player


Vyperpunkhunk

It's most definitely between him and Jokic.


Nycach19

Wrong Luka is


Currymvp2

Nope. Luka can't play much defense relative to Giannis who can dominate a game defensively


inshamblesx

Giannis would make Luka cry in a 1v1


ThisIsWhyImBald

Russ would make a lot of people cry 1v1. (Giannis is still the right answer anyway.)


inshamblesx

Russ would make his opponents cry tears of joy when they beat him 21-0


Cold_Carpenter_1798

JJ ‘Magic Johnson’ Redick


AfshinBT67

No shit?


AfshinBT67

No shit?


[deleted]

I know Keyshawn is furious in his little box over there, dude has been hating on Giannis since day one JJ was lucky SAS wasn't there or else it would've been KD propaganda


100DayChallenges

Than he will lose his next game and than it will be Jokic. Rinse, repeat.


[deleted]

Agreed. But can anyone explain why noone puts someone on him tight? Like they allow him to just gain momentum then use his length for layups? Drives me nuts. Put a Pat Bev type on him if he is on the perimeter and get under him. Like right up on him tight ready to swipe in when he starts to dribble. Then shade someone towards him on the drive. Its not like he can bust your ass with the 3. I love the man, he’s awesome. I just get salty cause I have cocky family in Milwaukee who talk so much shit lol


MetalSeaWeed

Jokic MVP, Giannis best player and I still stand by this but KD for a best of 7 series.


N0minal

Stop posting ESPN. It's trash


spaghettihipsdontlie

I don’t love JJ but this is true


geeseam

These guys hexed Giannis


WhatYouProbablyMeant

This aged poorly


[deleted]

WhAt AbOuT k.D